"...physics is like politics. It puts real effort into fighting imaginary forces." One of the smartest and funniest lines I have heard in a LONG time!!!

“A life changing moment when one runs out of tire” The peg shaped scar on my foot felt that

I'm a cyclist in a city and have learnt to counterlean on my own accord. Never bothered to understand why I felt my bike was so much more agile and stable this way. Thanks for the vid!

One thing you didn’t mention is about suspension. The suspension is telescopic and can only act in one direction so if the bike is leant over and you hit a bump, it’s possible that your suspension won’t soak up the bump because it’s leaning too far away from the direction that your wheel wants to move. This can result in loss of traction mid corner. All techniques are useful in some situation.

"physics is like politicians, it puts real effort into fighting imaginary forces" Straight comedy genius! 😂

1:10 - "physics is like politics puts real effort to fight imaginary forces" 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣👍 Hilarious 🤣

I don't even own a motorcycle, but these videos are so well made I just watch them as entertainment! Plus, you'd be surprised how well some of the advice crosses over to MTB and even driving in general

Counter leaning will increase your lean angle compared to the alternatives, which is important to keep in mind if you don't have much ground clearance. It's a lot easier to scrape pegs while counterleaning...

I've been riding over 30 years and use all three. I find it depends on the situation, road quality, and speed.

“See when I lean down like this my view is only left, like Vox.” 😂

when passing my motorbike license, we learned to counter lean at low speed, and lean at high speed. it felt pretty right, more nimble and agile maneuvering in busy streets, more stable when doing high speed curve on the freeway.

I just started ebiking at high speeds and I just started doing this intuitively and wow, I fell in love with how beautifully balanced turning became, almost like dancing with forces of motion. I totally understand why people ride motorcycles now.

physics: how many scraping parts do you want? motorcycle policeman: yes

I was taught counter leaning in my rider's course and it felt weird at first, but once I got the hang of it, it made total sense and the bike just does what it's designed to do. The only way you get in trouble is not trusting the bike to do its thing.

One of my favorite aspects of your videos, are not just that they're educational, but highly entertaining! Don't know how it took so long to find this channel!

When I started riding motorbikes, nobody told me what to do so I watched others and mimicked them leaning both their bike and their body as if they were on a race track. But I was on public roads, at 'reasonable speeds', so mimicking them made me feel that this motorcycling 'thing' is 'right on the edge'. One day I leaned my bike but for some unknown reason remained upright. That felt really good. I've been practicing counterleaning while countersteering for a couple of years and now I'm riding the winding river gorge nearby at 60mph for most of the way (the exceptions being 90 degree turns). Then I found this video which has confirmed that what I accidentally found myself doing is, in fact, the recommended skill. It all depends on speed. Thank you very much for this excellent instructional video. I recommend it to everyone who will listen.

"How does the same problem with the same rules have three different solutions?" - It doesn't Damm if its not some great writing

"when I'm tucking down here my view is only left, like vox" unbelievably savage pun!

Wow! I'm 60 and been on bikes since I was 6 and have been doing this instinctively. this was a great video and very well done and presented.

Thank you.i thought im wrong in doing counter leaning every time i ride my bike but today i know this is the best way to prevent accident

I just lean how I feel I need, from counter lean, to neutral to lean... just depends on the road condition, type of turns, depends. On the wet, I usually use my body to lean, and keep the motorcycle straight, to avoid slipping.

"like vox" LOL

You guys are doing a great job. Ryan, the editing, the script, perfect !

Thank you for thanking the time explaining it. Helped a lot for me as a newbie rider, despite 22 years of motorcycle licence, but never drived a motorcycle before.

So glad us motorcycle riders have fortnine on our side. If there is a battle of wits among bikers and rest, we can count on fortnine to lead us 😁

I think you need to lean differently for low speed turning and high speed turning. In low speeds, the bike has a tendency to fall in the direction of turn, so you lean the opposite side to prevent it from falling. In high speeds, the bike resists the turn due to angular momentum so you lean in the direction of turn to prevent the bike from standing up. Somebody with Physics knowledge might even come up with a simple formula to calculate the speed at which this switch happens.

i really really love ur channel. that smile and the comforting approach is top notch. i feel so secure and happy watching because i feel like yes ur here to teach me something and increase my knowledge and not here to show off your knowledge and be little those who are getting started. i used to think i was doing it wrong but i dont have a sport bike yet, i ride an aprilia sr 160 and a road bike cycle and in that i counter lean :)

I just can't stop watching and re-watching again. You are just amazing! Thank you for such an informative and quality issues!

This is easily becoming one of my favorite channels. The production, information, and humor is incredible.

One thing I wish you had mentioned is that the bike's suspension travels in line with the the tires. This is important: the more upright the bike, the better the suspension can work. The more you lean it over, the more bumps are smacking the tire "sideways" and the more unstable the bike will become.

This was amazing, thanks for sharing! Will definitely try to improve. I’ve been always leaning in the latest weeks, but now will counterlean a lot more for safety measures

Just recently found this channel. One of the best around!

As an engineering student I love watching these videos. Physics mixed with humour, I love it!

The way I was taught to corner on dirt was to visualize putting your weight over the contact patch of the tire when on a slippery or loose surface so there is extra force straight down onto where your tire is actually biting . I immediately felt more comfortable on the twisty gravel roads after having it explained like that.

This video is gold. I’ve long been looking for a video that genuinely explained counterbalance for adv / dirt riders.

Really appreciate the amount of efforts and research put into making of this video. Amazing content and video quality.

I intuitively started counter leaning when I started riding an enduro. The higher the center of gravity, the more profound the the increased stability becomes. Great presentation as usual!

Lol all the street rossis are gonna be pissed after watching this.

This channel, entertaining, informative, some good dry humor, please don't stop the vids!

These videos are the finest-edited pieces on the internet. Gorgeous videography.

5:51 “If I am tucking down here my view is only left, like Vox” 🤣🤣🤣

I remember being taught how to lean in my MSF course. Over 5 years of experience later I've wondered why it never felt right, and why counter leaning always does. Thanks for making sense of a mystery for me 🙏

Another Quality Video showing me that at 72 soon, I can still learn. A Friend uses the word "Revelations" meaning EVENTUALLY and SUDDENLY finding something out that Others have LONG known. Your Videos are full of these little Gems. I am very pleased to have found your Channel. .

as a 16year old , on a 50cc , this has changed a lot of my perspective on what to focus on when cornering , awesome vid

My god the production value has gotten good on these videos. I don’t even own a motorcycle and I keep catching myself rewatching these.

5:47 - "see if I am tucking down here , my view is only left , like vox " 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Good video. Counterleaning is real world. Learned on bicycle and most well appreciated in a slow turning course.

I Just love this guy!!! The way things are explained is simply superb!!!

I find that pace is the major factor for me. If I’m commuting or just cruising around, I’ll stay upright and counterbalance. If I’m riding a little more aggressively in the twisties or track, I hang off. There’s no “better” method for me. Master both for different situations and let your technique and style be fluid and reflect a well rounded Moto education.

I love how almost all the videos end up by " THIS is scientifically better... But whatever, I'll do what I want anyway "

Superb! You're getting exceptionally good at this stuff.

This channel is brilliant. Physics, Bikes, Humour.

Mike on Bikes did an excellent video on this, performing laps on a supermoto while only leaning normally and others while counter-leaning. I recommend checking it out if you want to look at some actual data analysis on it.

I did the RCMP North Van skills test last week and when I was dipping on my leans which was fine on the change lanes, but when it got to the tighter turns, I started putting a foot down. I immediately got pulled over to the side by an officer in a monster touring bike. Showed me how to lean properly and then I killed it on the course.

Thanks for putting that last bit in. I was starting to think I had a possessed bike or something. If I counter-steer, I can't lean as much to get around a corner; I scrape pegs. I learned that leaning with the bike allows it to stay upright more for tighter turning. It's how I have my Harley taking the Tail of the Dragon at near sportbike speeds. I first started riding the Harley with countersteer and found my pegs scraping at a mere 20-degree turn going 55mph. Once I got used to the heavier bike, leaning before the bike became second-nature and I can play on hairpins.

Love spotting the shooting locations across the lower mainland. Great content!

Good stuff! I stand (lean) with your final comments. As a counter balance dirt biker, it's fun to lean to the inside when riding the dirt bikes on pavement sections and stay off the worn edges of the knobbies....and play moto GP. ;-)

I’m sad to say, I think I’ve watched every single Fortnine clip available. Haven’t owned a bike in 10yrs and physically can’t own one again but anticipation of these clips is like getting a new issue of Two Wheels back in the day. Simply sublime works gang. Thanks.

You are truly the Einstein of the motorcycling world. Keep it up, we the motorcycle enthusiast are watching, and learning from all them videos 👍👍😎

been working on my cornering mountain biking and stumbled on this video. i may not have a motor, but this was a helpful explanation of the counterleaning technique ive been learning for the trails. thanks!

Passed my riding test today, thanks to your counter lean idea it was effortless. Thanks a ton.

The amount of reactions and video responses to this video from other youtubers is pretty amazing! It goes to show how good Ryan and FortNine develop their content! Good job!

This video is not just informative. It's so satisfying to watch that I've watched it MULTIPLE TIMES!! 😂

Thanks man, this video helped me a lot. I got a Supermoto and was counter leaning on instinct, but was wondering if I'm putting myself in some kind of danger. Good to know that's what you kinda do in city pace.

I've always leaned at higher speeds, and counter balanced at lower speeds generally. Though, it does depend on your particular application in that instance as always.

Leaning and counterleaning are just two different tools in the box: And we should train both methods. Neither is objectively "right". In a parking lot or in tight traffic (or on your dirtbike in the trees), counterleaning is the way to go for all of the reasons in the video. In a fast turn, counterleaning just INCREASES lean angle and moves mass toward the outside of the turn. This is the opposite of what a rider wants. Leaning puts more mass near the center of the turn, the lean angle decreases, traction is maintained, and vision through the turn is usually improved. Pushing the bike down and counterleaning in this situation is risky because you will reach the limit of traction and the limit of lean sooner for a given speed. Riders unnecessarily lowside like this all the time.

Thanks for the great into!! Recently bought a big old 1998 Harley Road King Classic and the heavy frame has really changed how I drive and I take corners a lot slower than I probably should but this counterweight idea should help me out greatly. I will have to take it out and practice doing this soon!!

Learning a lot of interesting stuff on this channel while tears of laughter are runnin down my face 😂😂😂 Thank You! ❤

Leaning/hanging into a turn to offset some lean angle helps do a few positive things: 1. keep from hitting the lower-traction edge of the tire. 2. Keeps better ground clearance to keep parts from scraping. 3. Keeps your head/eyes looking into the corner. But it has no effect on lateral acceleration and traction stress on the tire, as many believe. Counter-leaning is a technique for low-speed quick-turn agility.

hi, I have just seen this video and having spent a lot of time as a Motorcycle instructor in the UK, where new riders have to Pass a multitude of tests including a Mod 1 high speed handling test, this form of riding is taught to new riders because it is the only safe way of controlling the bike and to be able to safely pass the tight U-turn and emergency avoidance section of the test. Also most instructors knew it is the only way to keep both the rider and the bike balanced without compromising vision and safety. Try turning your bike around (u-turn) on a single lane UK or European road without moving your position to the outside of the bikes lean angle and you will probably not make it. Different road widths and conditions are a factor in how a motorbike rider was trained, but the method in this video is spot on. Our country lanes are much narrower and have tighter turns than almost all racing circuits, but trying to corner like you are on a GP bike almost always puts you in the weeds or in al lot of cases in the UK off the side of a mountain (Lakes or Scotland etc) or in a ditch or river. - Most riders will run out of tyre (friction and grip) because the road surface is not as sticky as a race track, nor are the tyres designed for the bumps and undulations of a country road. Also by counter-leaning, you are also inducing counter steering without realising it which helps the control of the bike. - E.g. to counter lean through a corner, the bike leans for example to the right. Now to counter lean your body, you naturally extend your right arm (by adjusting your shoulder position usually) which pushes your body over to the opposite direction to the bikes lean angle. This without you realising it adds in a small amount of counter steering at the bars and you will find yourself rounding corners more fluidly. But one of the greatest advantages to counter leaning as outlined in the video is VISION, which is what you need while riding on public roads. One last point which can be missed - If you have a rider who is wary of leaning the bike because he/she feels like they are falling when the bike leans - Get them to counter lean - This fools the inner ear into thinking everything is under control because the head is mostly upright and the rider has a more level view of the road. The sense of falling diminishes and the rider becomes more confident. In the UK we only have about 1.4 million motorbikes on the road at any one time (1% of road users) but we cover 4.4 BILLION miles with an average rider trip rate of 438 trips per year - Basically at least one trip a day per rider. But accidents are still on the high side, and in 2020 there were 285 killed. Sounds bad, but it is out of a pool of 1.4 million doing 4.4 billion miles. In the USA 14% of riders are killed which is extremely high. Which seems at odds with the generally slower speeds, wider roads and more cruiser style of bike in comparison to the Hyper and sports bike option a lot of UK and European riders choose. Adventure bikes,. tourers and cruisers are starting to come into favour, but its the latter that has been the most popular in these parts for quite some time. But - Anything to reduce these figures for all riders in every country is a help. and counter leaning with the induced counter steering it brings as well as improved vision is a step in the right direction. Great Video

Lovely !,. Beautifully explained and compiled !... Nice work !!

I watched this video about a year ago and I feel like it moved my riding skill forward as much as 1,000 road miles.

I was taught this way - ‘To push the bike away from me through a corner’’ and stay up right or even lean the other way. Appears to work for a reason, nice that Ryan has put it all in perspective now.

I just finished motorcycle school and they taught us always to counter balance at lower speeds (under 30, or just in the city in general) but to lean with the bike when taking a corner at higher speeds.

i do mountainbiking so i have another explanation for the counterlean during motocross, because its the same in mtb. we don't actually counterlean but rather we lean only the bike, so we ride on the cornering nobs of our offroad tires, and we stay straight so we push them right down into the ground

I ve watched this video a few times, love the info and logic in it. Now I can't help but notice that's its also the funniest and full of innuendo... :)) love your work and how you explain the motorcycle world. Big up & thanks.

Bought a supermoto recently and I have been practicing my counter leaning after having made it a habit of leaning in. Great information Ryan, you explained it with simplicity and clarity

Really difficult topic to explain because it is more on the feel and instincts of a rider. For me this is my simplified analysis on this topic based on my experience: - slow corner approach = counter balance - average speed approach = neutral - fast aproach = lean af - evasive maneuvers = counter balance --- but still depends on situation, terrain, and the bike 😆🤷

This dude could make a video about anything and I'd enjoy watching it, dude's hilarious 😂

Love that channel. Kinda my first comment on the theme I like. My point is it’s too complex and include so many details: Dynamics of braking right before turning + turning traction + surface state and changing grip spots for each tyre + tons of tech moments starting from oil and tyre temperature to humidity and what kind of chilli pepper you ate day ago. Bringing all in one makes you a Jedi who needs to fire a bomb into the heart of the Death Star.

Slam on earth faster than a Chinese Rocket. Ryan never fail to entertain.

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Im self taught rider. As ive been going through the motions I've actually found myself doing that counterlean around long bends; it's alot of fun and comfortable too. Don't know where i picked it up from though, just kinda started doing it one day.

Great video! Absolutely love your humor, i.e. "lean left, like Vox," Brilliant!

Getting back into motorcycles after a while, it was nice to see this video. I know how important leaning and counterbalance is. Thanks for explaining how it "works" and the different methods.

In gymkhana they taught me this: in long speedy curves you lean, in ultra-short turns you counter-lean. If you counter-lean in a long curve, you may push your bike down beyond the point of grip loss, that's a fall. If you try to lean in a short turn where you bike's front wheel 'walks' around the almost stationary rear wheel, then you don't have enough speed to keep you upright. That's a fall, too.

This is what makes riding so exciting! Lots of choices as you ride. Never boring.

Just found your channel loving these videos 🎉❤

Boy... The attention you got with this video is stellar! And what's more it really brought the motorcycle KZfaq instructors together. I've seen at least five of the top producers jump in on this topic. Can only help make for better riders 👍

Excellent video. Love the physics discussion. I routinely discuss the physics of motorcycle turning with fellow riders and you nailed it. Largest factor for which way to lean are your tires. Counter leaning is great for most slower scenarios, but at higher speeds, most conventional tires (especially with cruisers) don't have enough grip on the side. Leaning into the turn in these scenarios keeps the bike further upright where the grip is best.

I've been counter-leaning for years but I started watching videos of track bikes & thought I was supposed to learn how to hang off the bike & drag my knees. That actually slowed me down a little & felt awkward. I don't have access to a race track so I'm happy to go back to counter-leaning.

FortNine's videos goes ridiculously well with some fine wine, some nice parma ham and a sense of humor at midnight, doesn't matter if you're a gearhead or not he'll take you on for a journey.

I've always learned to ride with counterlean. I basically only ride on dirt and thats how I have learned from the start. But counterlean is not only a last ditch effort to save yourself on the track but it has saved me sometimes on single track. Counterlean, neutral, or normal lean there is always a situation for it and I'm grateful for this video because it clarified the technique of leaning.

I started counter leaning intuitively after trying different methods, it feels much more stable and you get a clearer view through the corner

Best moto channel yet. Keep it up!

One of my instructors at riding school said the best thing a beginner can do is ride different types of styles. What ive learned from road riding has made me a better enduro rider and what I’ve learned from the trails has made me a better road rider. I picked up counter leaning from riding enduro.

Circumstantial is the word I love when it comes to debating on this issue. :D

The writing on every video is so good, the tact y'all jam in these videos is amazing. Great video!

Thank you, Joffrey Lannister for your cool and life saving tip. I knew you would turn up better as you grow up.

Ryan, I see you! Love, love your videos. I use them for work (moto industry) and play (riding) If I ever visit Canada, hope to connect. Thanks for making great content, being a Dainese/agv distributor, and being fun about it. You rock.