Only if you can tell me when and point me to the person that has ever contested that fact. ;)

Same song in the fight Obi-Wan i Qui-gon-Jin vs Darth maul

It actually makes this sightly more bearable to watch 😅

It is just incredible.

Shame that they used it in this crap.

he never wanted to win tho?

He did win though. The duel was already over when Rey stabbed him with the lightsaber.

@@darthtrip7188 true. and he never wanted to kill her in the first place, this was the first time he almost did it and in that brief moment when Ben was almost completely gone Leia called to him and Rey „killed Kylo“. underrated scene

No, if the corporations weren't constantly scared of interracial relationships and trying to normalize emo millennial culture then Rey would be with Finn and would've killed Kylo. Rey was and is more powerful than Kylo. She outmatched him in telepathy, she can generate force lightning, and her telekinesis is stronger.

@@JJ_LL when it comes to the force, they are both the same. Kylo actually trained her without realizing- for example the prisoner scene at TFA. whenever he challenged her, she had to use the force and learned from it. it explains a lot. and Finn was a good character that was stupidly muted but I still prefer Rey saving Ben and Finn being her first apprentice after TROS

Music makes the movie. Lee Majors said that without the music of the black man, Oliver Nelson, his 1973 hit tv series, The Six Million Dollar Man, would have just been a white guy running around in slow motion. The truth!

It could be him having more training, but actually I think it's because Rey is weaker due to healing the snake. Rey and Kylo are a Dyad in the Force with equal power, as we see when they split the lightsaber in two in TLJ. But when Rey heals the snake she loses some of that power.

Or it could be because he is the son of someone who’s parent was the strongest force user in the galaxy and Rey is just givin force because plot armor

Due to being *trained (not better)

kylo wanted to kill rey been kill her

He also held her lightsaber in place longer than she could

Lol yeah, I always thought he was doing a soccer move 😂

Because usually when you stop something that's rolling on the ground you do it with your feet and not with your hands, and if anyone was in that room with Rey it would've been a for e sensitive person so if they were to pick something up with their hands it would be more logical to do it using the force rather than bending down and grabbing it physically with their hands

Exactly i noticed that too

Initially it has a vaguely foot shape.

Only if it's underwear or socks. Lol

Rey is trying with everything she’s got, and Kyle is calm since he outmatches her. He’s playing defensively, while she’s aggressive.

@The_Christian_Kirbo I agree 100 percent. That was the irony of this fight.

Issues for the real world 🙄🙄🙄

Facts ruined my childhood 😪

That saga was trash with all do respect

They did

@@franchisefanatic4142 Art is subjective

Yes, that was exactly the point. For almost the entire duel Kylo is in a defensive style, he barely strikes at Rey. I guess it proves that Rey is filled with rage but Kylo doesn't want to hurt her and tries to deal with it.

I like kylos brutal and heavy fight styl. As Rey realise she can't beat Him, she try's to copy his styl

you can see her getting tired, he waits it out - i love this fight, and the backdrop and music is intense

Agreed, Rey lost that fight before she ever started it-and Kylo Ren knew it from the start. What he wanted was for her to give in to the Dark Side and be his...well, other half? Queen? Partner? The thing is, when Rey duels Dark Side Rey briefly, who looks a lot like Kylo Ren? Rey looses that fight too. I have a feeling Dark Side Rey would have slaughtered Kylo Ren-and no, not just because she's a Palpatine. Remember Luke's reaction when Rey reaches out to the Dark Side in the previous film, because it offers answers? Because Rey is drawn to it, while Kylo is drawn to the Light, but refuses it because of what he see's as his family betraying him, starting with Luke when he was a boy? Rey is a creature of the Dark Side who turns away from it because she met the right people at the right time. Lack of training notwithstanding, she's as powerful as Kylo Ren, easily. But both deny the truth of their natures so cannot be all they could be. If Rey had been in Kylo Ren's position? She'd have been unstoppable, she never had the family ties he did that stopped him from ever becoming truly evil. Plus, she'd likely have killed Palpatine. If Kylo Ren had been in her position? With family and friends and his Uncle Luke backing him up? He might just have been the one thing who could even possibly stopped Dark Side Rey. But the sequel trilogy took the easy out of having Rey be a good Soul and never giving into the Dark Side, while Leia's ultimate sacrifice saved her son. If they'd flipped the two in 8? The outcome would have been a lot more interesting...

Doubtful...shes an all powerful mary sue.🙄

😂😂

"Good, Kylo ren, Good. Kill her. Kill her now."

I love this analysis bro, that’s really cool how you picked up on that. I also agree that Daisy did a phenomenal job. No better actress could have portrayed the granddaughter of Palpatine with nobody parents, lost and finding her place. Daisy is freaking great

Actually i think rey was doing her best. Maybe too much cause she got tired real quick. And on the other hand, kylo was finally in perfect conditions both mentally and physically, compared to their first duel where he was losing blood and emotionally compromised. Even if she wasn't so angry, she wouldn't have stand a chance against the real kylo ren...

Bruh as one of the biggest sw fan ever Rey is a legend with poor writing to back her.

Daisy was great, too bad all of the rest of the character just simp for her

Okay that's beautiful

This duel is also a reversed version of the Anakin v Obi Wan fight: it takes place on a water world instead of lava, and the light side user is on the aggressive while the dark side user is the one trying to resolve everything passively

It's poetic. I just wish they didn't fvck up so badly.

@@FirestoneAnimation well I don’t think they did… otherwise the poetry wouldn’t really be there or old any value

@@captainfilip7188 I meant the movies themselves. The duel was relatively solid but the rest was just blegh

Very

yes

Absolutely

It sucked as do both the characters.

Et là, les rôles sont inversés. La Palpatine est la gentille, et le Skywalker le "méchant". Et Miss Palpatine (pas Sidious 😉), est bien plus une Skywalker dans son attitude que le véritable Mr Skywalker.

Exactly. That's what I love about how JJ crafted this duel. Vader burning in lava cemented his turn to the dark side, and Ben speaking with the memory of his father in a water world is what redeemed him.

@@bensherstinskymusic bad duel, bad trilogy, bad director.

Anybody see Kevin Costner around? Lmao

@@STRIPESrt yes…. But he died, braver than most

It's definitely got some good stuff on it's own, but certain moves just don't feel like the star wars I'm use to.

Yup, he was just toying with her.

Skywalkers are naturally 2-2,5 times stronger than Palpatines

1:08 He dodges the wrong way, frankly it's in the air of who'd lose the fight, they both seem incompetent.

@@robertdevito5001 i agree lmao

@@robertdevito5001 .... Rey loses so its not in the air. He had Rey completely beat at the end and was about to finish her off. He only gets defeated because Leia passes.

Thank you so much!

I love this duel, the other characters should never have been that close. This is between Kylo and Rey only.

In raw power,he will be far better than ray,but he is confused be light side and dark side.If he is fully commited to dark side,rey will be dead in starkiller base lol

first movie did him an injustice imo, but in this one he was definitely too strong and powerful for rey to seriously fight.

Thanks!!

Wow you’re right, dude! :O That shows there might be some good in him somewhere. Just like in his grandpa. Though toying with someone isn’t a good thing obviously but still

Yessss

I don't think Ep. IX is a good movie, but i like this duel, and it shows that Kylo Ren is stronger than Rey

Its bad because kylo ren should have being the ultimate badass, and could have being greater if he fought another dude or atleaste a woman like shin hati. Instead we got the goddess of mary sues.

Lightsabers shouldn't feel like they're heavy

It's not dancing, it's people who know how to fight, some move looks like they were doing dancing. Rey Vs kylo in IX wasnt that bad. But it could have been much better

I Think she was consumed by darkerness in this fight due to the dark relic & death star that is why she is the one who started & escalated the fight & stabbed him at the end

Tbf, Rey always fought like this. She's always yelling and letting her emotions run wild during fights

Kylo ren looks like count doku

Maybe since vader vs luke in episode 5 ?

@@stormbringer2840 nah dooku vs anakin and obi wan. Dude would’ve killed both of them with ease of yoda didn’t save them

@@zampy8706 Good point , Anakin did offer a little challenge at first tho , until dooku decided to end it .

@@zampy8706 Idk, Windu clapped Palpatine pretty hard and easily in Episode 3. Dude almost ended the entire series right then and there

@@jase276 he didn’t clap him. Read the lore or watch the scene without a bias. Palp was holding back so he could turn anakin. It was obvious. He’s always at the ready with the lighting if windu tried anything. Palp made work of yoda😂and yoda is my fucking dude but palp was jus on another level only prime anakin could defeat him.

No problem

sitll dk why they don't use this music, only to sell new ones...

The first Duel was Qui Gon and Darth Maul on Tatooine. Duel of Fates was not played.

@@dex9789 Hello fellow KZfaqr. I could understand what you're saying. But at the same time though, it could be argued that wasn't the OFFICIAL Duel "so to speak" in a way. It was more like a revealing confrontation. But still, I see what you're saying.

1:13 sword trusting and moving it to the side aiming at nothing lol, for me it looks like they're trying to hit a piñata, but it's just my opinion.

@@Carlos-ui5dx that's the reason there are people who like it. It's not as flashy as the prequels, yet it's more fast and energised then the ot, and has more "realistic" feel to it, with it being more dirty amd less claasy and clean. Like a middle ground between the ot and the prequels. Personally, I prefer the prequels and cartoons as fights, but in the specific era the sequels take place, their fighting style makes sense narrative wise in my opinion. But hey, to each is own

@@Carlos-ui5dx it happens all the time during the prequels 😂 They only aim to the swords and not to the person. Even in the original, all choreography have defaults, because the first purpose is to be entertaining not perfectly realistic. And it’s only one detail in the all choreography btw.

still not as good as anakin vs obi wan

the fight is shit

I liked the duel in TFA a lot. It was more realistic, with every move they tried to kill each other not jump throwing flips as if they were in a circus. This one is trying to be more exciting but ends up being less, I give you that.

@@csbanki That wasn’t a duel. That was the stupidest interaction of lightsabers in all of the Star Wars world. Absolutely stupid, first time rey picks up a lightsaber she manages to beat Ren?, completely ridiculous

Wtf? People like these duels, they say it looks realistic because the lightsabers feel heavy even tho lightsabers are like not even that heavy compared to steel swords, also these are wizards with crazy amount of stamina, strength, and durability AND the force too. They should be able to pull off such a tricks like in the prequels. Idk why people are so dumb and like the sequels duels even tho they are like unrealistic to Star Wars.

@@CD-R828 A lightsabre that is completely weightless would look terrible, injecting a feeling of weight gives the impression of pwoer which makes them more impressive, thats basic visual psychology. Also those props were hollow plastic tubes, i suspect they weighed less than the prequel carbon rods or the OT aluminium rods. But they move in a way that feels like it would do some damage. If you make something look too unbelievable, it stops looking believable. And for the record, lightsabres beign weighty was the original conception and one of(several) reasons why the ANH fight is so slow (it was way TOO slow, which is why they sped it up a bit after.)

@@Wirrn do I care? It’s Star Wars not real life 💀. I want to see something that’s unbelievable anyways, that’s the whole point of Star Wars lmao 😂.

It angers me how much better whole trilogy could've been.

Every person to ever hold a lightsaber could beat these 2 including the padawan that tried to escape the temple during order 66. & all the sith & most of the jedi we knew could do it 2v1. But i guess thats what u get when the only experienced duelist either of these 2 ever met was luke.... who didnt even spar once & had 2 fights with a record of 1-1 vs a 50 year old with no limbs & half a lung!

Thanks!

That was funny.

@@bensherstinskymusic thanks Brotha 🤣

Hell yeah. APPRECIATING Star Wars as it should be. Epic comment

Hes the best character of the sequels and a fitting descendant of the skywalkers

@@Kinyr fs

@@Kinyr Fitting descendant ahhahaha

Thank you :)))

yeah if its done really well you wont know the difference between music

True

Thats awesome i just realize that

Thanks, I really appreciate that!!

Over time I’ve come to prefer how it’s done in the film

let me rephrase. i dont think this duel is bad but when you put dotf soundtrack over it doesn't feel right to me.

@@SteezyEGaming I like how the lack of music creates a haunting tone, as Rey and Kylo are fighting on the ruins of the old war which is like a haunted house

@@bensherstinskymusic but there isn't a lack of music in this video. only the music of the prequels

@@SteezyEGaming I’m talking about the actual film

You sir, deserve a pin.

Is this a joke? The sequel fight scenes were the worst of all star wars movies. Big, slow, clunky as strikes and all they do is aim for each others lightsabers. Look at Rey fighting here, the amount of wild swings she was throwing and I was thinking to myself the amount of times Kylo could have just swiped her while she’s flailing around. These fights are pathetic

@@Synpathetix Reys fighting style makes sense for her character

@@Synpathetix meh I'll excuse it. Since episode 6 the lightsaber fights became less and less over the top and more raw and visceral in-universe. Makes sense for me to continue this trend in the sequels.

@@Synpathetix rather have this than freaking epilepsy on episode 3 anakin vs obi wan while i like the freaking light effect of the lightsaber makes my eyes water but in the sequel the sabers are much more better while i respect the original saber thw newss saber is kinda bad ass cause the noise it makes and how it moves like a fire

@@markz_editz2280 The problem is that they break lightsaber lore. In almost every fight in the trilogy, the blades bounce off each other. Now physically speaking this is accurate. Ionized plasma would do this. However, the lightsaber lore is that the energy given off by the kyber crystal, imbued with the force, will bring the blades closer together and attract them. Depending on who has the more powerful swing or momentum will determine if a person gets staggered or if physical force is met with physical force. Thats why Vader completely bodies Luke in Empire while Luke can match Vaders physical prowess in Jedi. Here however, its as if the character are using physical staffs instead of energized kyber crystals.