Rhodes Center Podcast: How US Hegemony Ends

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Watson Institute for International and Public Affairs

Watson Institute for International and Public Affairs

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On this episode Mark talks with Alex Cooley and Dan Nexon, authors of 'Exit from Hegemony: The Unraveling of the American Global Order.' Scholars and pundits have been predicting the US's decline as the singular world power since at least the 1970s. Now, with President Trump's isolationist, nativist politics, many are saying this decline has finally arrived. Cooley and Nexon agree that the US's exit from hegemony has begun -- but as they explain, it started long before Trump's inauguration.
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@end3rzl33t
@end3rzl33t 4 жыл бұрын
To US optimists here: coasting and bumbling along on a nice inheritance without investing in your own capacity going forward and ignoring others that are catching up doesn't sound like a wonderfully inspiring strategy...
@jgalt308
@jgalt308 4 жыл бұрын
The gift of FDR that keeps on giving........
@Chrmngblly
@Chrmngblly 4 жыл бұрын
The demise of the US is hardly guaranteed.
@jgalt308
@jgalt308 4 жыл бұрын
@@Chrmngblly Once the reserve currency monopoly is broken, it will be.......
@PikachooUpYou
@PikachooUpYou Жыл бұрын
The US never intended to use industrial supremacy to continue their hegemony, they’ve always intended to use anti-competitor propaganda, financial manipulation and ‘might makes right’ with its competitors across the globe to maintain it.
@akeleven
@akeleven 4 жыл бұрын
Now I'm really depressed. Everybody thinks removing Trump will "go back to normal" but the world is at war, intellectually if not physically.
@artyblartyfartblast8465
@artyblartyfartblast8465 4 жыл бұрын
akeleven I think there are many in Yemen, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine et al that are very conscious of the current struggles physicality.
@artyblartyfartblast8465
@artyblartyfartblast8465 4 жыл бұрын
akeleven Before losing consciousness one is certain George Floyd felt the physicality of this worlds injustice.
@artyblartyfartblast8465
@artyblartyfartblast8465 4 жыл бұрын
akeleven I share your frustration with those who declare Trump the disease when he is merely a pustulous symptom!
@artyblartyfartblast8465
@artyblartyfartblast8465 4 жыл бұрын
James D Robertson Yes the promise of hope and change championed by candidate Obama seemed quite distant when President Obama declared himself a "moderate republican" Obama's broken promise paves the way to the Molotov cocktail that is Trump.
@arthurkorff
@arthurkorff 4 жыл бұрын
By war do you mean capitalism?
@MarkoKraguljac
@MarkoKraguljac 4 жыл бұрын
As people who benefited from US hegemony all the way, they lack emotion to properly tackle this.
@Q_QQ_Q
@Q_QQ_Q 3 жыл бұрын
its all by design .
@considerthis7680
@considerthis7680 4 жыл бұрын
It seems like the authors are giving Trump credit for a relatively powerful intellect, and they are suggesting that this intellect is the guiding force for his administration. IMO Trump is much more similar to Chance the Gardener, in the movie Being There. In this case, the randomness of Trump's administration is mistaken as a plan.
@112deeps
@112deeps 4 жыл бұрын
Multiple view point. Knowing neurological atypical individuals like Trump he is antidote to race for the serfdom. It appears that way! There was Dorasii book i read in my teens SF by R Heinlein.... Called tactics of mistakes. I really like the title as it implies winning despite mistakes. I think according to Peter Ziehan USA is going to be top despite who ever is the president geopolitically. USA as cultural civilization has still not grown up yet! I think usa will be alright if india hooks up with it otherwise its accepting or fighting thucidides trap. I rather usa than china as head bully!
@onekerri1
@onekerri1 4 жыл бұрын
There's a reason they say that the lies must be repeated over and over and over and over. The People will likely begin to believe them. I'm not as susceptible to brainwashing/propaganda as some.
@charlesputnam9370
@charlesputnam9370 4 жыл бұрын
We are loosing our power to influence the world because we have invested to much in imperialism and not enough on the productivity of our people.
@jacklawrence7331
@jacklawrence7331 4 жыл бұрын
I think the US has less pull geopolitically now than 50 years ago but 50 years ago, for all intents and purposes America ran the world, or at least tried to. That being said, in terms of cultural cache, the US probably has more influence than it has ever had, largely due to the internet. In the traditional western world at least, everyone who uses the internet will do so via American companies and encounter an Americanised world wide web. Although China are increasing their geopolitical and economic standings, due to the insular nature of the government and heavy censorship of 'dissenting' material, their cultural influence is minimal. Because of the push of silicon valley, American corporations seem more influential than they ever have been and in that sense the hegemony certainly hasn't ended. There is only IBM, and ITT and AT&T and DuPont, Dow, Union Carbide and Exxon. Those are the nations of the world today.
@pcuimac
@pcuimac 4 жыл бұрын
Your logic only hold, if you ignore the fact that the chinese sphere of influence has at least quadruple the number of humans in it. lol You show typical US "exceptionalism".
@mikefay5698
@mikefay5698 4 жыл бұрын
My son was shocked some years back when I told him that there were more phones in New York than all of Africa. Africa needs China. No one else cares.
@dhu1919
@dhu1919 4 жыл бұрын
@@pcuimac And they all speak a very hard language for a non-native to learn. Where's their cultural capital? What language is your comment in?
@ballsbuster5075
@ballsbuster5075 4 жыл бұрын
This is such an interesting discussion, that I shall have to listen to it again... Thank you!
@robertcox14
@robertcox14 4 жыл бұрын
Good interview, amazing comments!
@Kevin-Schmevin
@Kevin-Schmevin 4 жыл бұрын
Another great show...
@mutronium
@mutronium 2 жыл бұрын
Robb Smith... The Great Release... has been talking about these same ideas for years now. Very in alignment.
@robertmoffat5149
@robertmoffat5149 3 жыл бұрын
US Hegemony ended in the late 1960’s. It has simply been an elaborate facade ever since. Smoke and mirrors.
@cyrneco
@cyrneco 4 жыл бұрын
That a decline has taken place in the last fifty years it's undeniable. But the heights of power from where USA has been declining were so high that it's taken a long time and it will take a long time more before the second power gets even close to the USA in power.
@adyear3168
@adyear3168 4 жыл бұрын
Agree, though the view from the top of the cliff is wonderful til the sudden slip. The current economic, social and biological crises are straining the U.S. global fiscal system and pushing further American military options as an eventual out while the American people awaken to domestic dystopia. The US $ is still king and I had thought to see it dethroned within my lifespan, at age 52, and now see as likely a lot sooner: IMO Chris Hedges discusses the topic of this podcast much more accurately and presciently than both of these guests (though I'm always in to hear Mark Blyth fascinatingly dissect the new world disorder as well)
@cyrneco
@cyrneco 4 жыл бұрын
@@adyear3168 yes. The military paradigma has changed radically though, and the way the USA make war is so expensive (for the people at large who haven't got any more to give to the military industrial complex) that the military options are getting limited too.
@adyear3168
@adyear3168 4 жыл бұрын
@@cyrneco All those trillions and a lot fewer targets than before occurs to me as well. Pulling out of many treaties especially nuclear is counterproductive. Moving to tactical nuclear weaponry is a real and present and future danger - and we don't have a JFK&RFK to manage such a crisis if skirmishes blow up no pun intended. I've heard it said well that the United States is now a country that cannot afford to stay at peace for a long period of time. Hopefully saner heads will prevail behind the militant rhetoric of both Parties and the mass media. Other nation powers can also provide balance with no need to engage militarily while the U.S. implodes domestically. Wait and watch wins the battle by default. Interesting times.
@hermansen1000
@hermansen1000 4 жыл бұрын
I have never heard so much bull . Be antiimperalist!
@kangaroo1888
@kangaroo1888 4 жыл бұрын
You need to expand your argument !
@MarkoKraguljac
@MarkoKraguljac 4 жыл бұрын
@Geir Characteristic of the "liberal order" is anonymous and spread out economic dictatorship. They all know who butters their bread and even when criticizing, they sound like kids who do not dare to say "no" to their mother. There's just too much to be lost: good life, career, money, social acceptance etc. Final result is legions of spineless, beating around the bush "academics" and "journalists". If they grow a spine and formulate concise and clear criticism they are simply marginalized. Not by decree as in "dictatorships" but by "invisible hand of the market" (hydra of country's owners).
@Confucius_76
@Confucius_76 4 жыл бұрын
write a blog about it
@jpfrssnv
@jpfrssnv 4 жыл бұрын
The greatest victories are the ones that come without the adversary knowing your triumph. "The Art of War" reconsidered....
@fellowcitizen
@fellowcitizen 4 жыл бұрын
'tis I, Sir Gabriel, Lieutenant of the Mythical Liberal International Order ;)
@Cy5208
@Cy5208 4 жыл бұрын
We might make mistakes but we mean well. LMAO
@hiromihester6432
@hiromihester6432 3 жыл бұрын
31:30 guest does an excellent job breaking down modern US hegemony
@spitezor
@spitezor 4 жыл бұрын
Really deep stuff. Can we get a follow-up on AIIB, its significance, and the previous Asian Monetary Fund suggested by Japan and how that got shot down?
@inotmark
@inotmark 4 жыл бұрын
Can't happen too soon.
@renhansen1246
@renhansen1246 4 жыл бұрын
Very, very interesting
@punkhawallah848
@punkhawallah848 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe a shift in the center of gravity of World Power? Look at what’s happening in the Indo-Pacific region. Hegemony is always on the agenda when US & allies are still in a “Containment Strategy” regarding Chinese regional expansionism (Taiwan, SK, South China Sea, S-Pacific micro Nations... etc). How will that end up? Not well if you ask me.
@patrickmcgoohan115
@patrickmcgoohan115 4 жыл бұрын
More academic predictions from disassociated university intellectuals. Do their predictions ever come right?
@MrScoobiess
@MrScoobiess 4 жыл бұрын
Marks score card is in the black
@paulhartson1
@paulhartson1 4 жыл бұрын
The Prisoner series and topics is more relevant than ever. Too bad we don't get to have 'The girl who was death' episode.
@Grimenoughtomaketherobotcry
@Grimenoughtomaketherobotcry 4 жыл бұрын
Haven't you escaped yet?
@nigelpalmer9248
@nigelpalmer9248 4 жыл бұрын
I love it when Americans mention the corruption of other countries funny as fk.
@stuckp1stuckp122
@stuckp1stuckp122 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting point about distinguishing American power from the American system and the failure to use the Dollar Hegemony to prevent the hollowing out of our R&D and domestic investment has already ended our stability and our role as "safe haven". We are headed towards a "Central Asian kleptocracy".
@thomasmurdochduncan
@thomasmurdochduncan 4 жыл бұрын
Completely missing from this discussion is any mention of capitalism or economic interests. As if anyone falls for this "liberal" vs. "illiberal" and "democracy promotion" bs lol
@invanorm
@invanorm 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah while broadly this analysis is correct it does leave a lot of important aspects out that would reframe the discussion and better reflect reality. They’re talking exclusively about the neoliberal order and it’s benefits while sweeping aside the negatives, other than to say, effectively, that Francis Fukuyama was wrong and neoliberalism doesn’t necessitate progressive cultural change.
@jwadaow
@jwadaow 4 жыл бұрын
@@invanorm negatives like everyone viscerally hates it!
@robertcox14
@robertcox14 4 жыл бұрын
I think "democracy promotion" is neo-liberal code for, you know, destroying Iraq, etc.
@alexanderford3819
@alexanderford3819 4 жыл бұрын
if you are confused .... Our book provides recommendation of how you ought to proceed .....
@riqueinglez123
@riqueinglez123 4 жыл бұрын
FINALLY!
@caimacd
@caimacd 4 жыл бұрын
25:30 in that though you also have consider comparative power. You just said, even in its decline the US controls around a quarter of the world's economy. I don't think saying that all actors have agency really does justice to the power dynamics. Or the moral implications of bad behaviour. What the US did to Iraq was real and, at least theoretically, measurable. I feel equating possible and potential actions of weaker actors with real world actions and consequences of the stronger ones is bad arguing. It's not like you can predict their actions. You are allowing them to be framed by the same country that has had troops in Afghanistan for like twenty years now
@invanorm
@invanorm 4 жыл бұрын
While I can sort off agree, China is pretty explicit about their agenda and their human rights record is abysmal. That won’t magically change if they increase their reach. In fact it’s likely to get worse as they can get away with more. That doesn’t have any bearing on US atrocities though, which are undeniable and inexcusable and currently a greater threat globally.
@roc7880
@roc7880 4 жыл бұрын
same way ended for everyone else: becoming irrelevant and losing confidence. Soviet Union was exporting revolution in Africa and invading Afghanistan while its roads and bridges were collapsing. They build new nukes while could not provide enough food for its citizens. They trained militias in Angola while the police back home was not properly funded and trained. do we see similarities with US? yes of course.
@laserprawn
@laserprawn 4 жыл бұрын
"Exporting revolution" - ask all of the African regimes how much "support" they got from the USSR. Not much. Now ask yourself a second question: if those African regimes asked for help, how is it that they were exported from Moscow? The FAPLA/MPLA in Angola requested help from the USSR and didn't get much - in fact the Cubans rejected Moscow's position not to interfere and forced Moscow's hand. In any case, the South Africans were the ones who advanced into Angola under the auspices of UNITA, and planned to hit Namibia next - that is, Angola was meant to be a puppet regime for South Africa. The revolution in Angola, as elsewhere in Africa, was real - and they received limited support from the USSR, hence why the United States did in fact manage to establish some dictators of their own which persist to this day. This is old, flawed, xenophobic, Cold War thinking.
@roc7880
@roc7880 4 жыл бұрын
@@laserprawn ussr was funding revolution across the world fact. facts have no feelings
@laserprawn
@laserprawn 4 жыл бұрын
Secondly, the USSR invaded Afghanistan precisely because there was a revolution - one in which the Taliban assassinated the elected Communist leader of Afghanistan because they opposed urbanization, secularization, and education for women. The Taliban saw the USSR as a modernizing power that wanted to colonize it. The USSR went into Afghanistan to defend the elected government. The United States on the other hand made it an explicit policy to create a "bear trap" and turn Afghanistan into Vietnam. Far from being about supporting the freedom of the Taliban, they participated in making Afghanistan a warzone for their foreign policy. Zbigniew Brzezinski was explicit about using Afghanistan to destroy the Soviet Union, and funneled arms through the Pakistani ISI, chiefly stinger missiles which allowed the rebels to attack Soviet helicopters. The result was that the helicopters flew higher and began to "fight back" by destroying entire villages from afar, ala the French "rat hunts" in Algeria.
@TheTalkWatcher
@TheTalkWatcher 4 жыл бұрын
@@laserprawn The U.S. after they assassinated Sadat, also funnelled arms from Egypt.
@TheTalkWatcher
@TheTalkWatcher 4 жыл бұрын
@@laserprawn The US also used the Saudis as a proxy to fight the Russians in Afghanistan. After the war ended the US tried to use the same strategy in the Caucasus Region to further disintegrate Russia. It did not work.
@hemiedwards217
@hemiedwards217 4 жыл бұрын
Ross Perot predicted this would happen almost 30 years ago and the alterglobalization movement has been fighting corporate globalization for decades. Took you guys awhile to catch up.
@ramanshrestha9356
@ramanshrestha9356 4 жыл бұрын
You should also bring peter zeihan, pepe Escobar, kishore mahbubani, Falun gong people to hear theirs perspective
@Bisquick
@Bisquick 4 жыл бұрын
I'd like to hear where Mark disagrees with someone like Michael Hudson.
@antediluvianatheist5262
@antediluvianatheist5262 4 жыл бұрын
@@Bisquick Basically: Mark has hope that people can do anything other than revolt. All his comments on how to fix it assume: they will let you.
@Bisquick
@Bisquick 4 жыл бұрын
@@antediluvianatheist5262 Yeah this is what I figured too. God I wish he was right but I think history and virtually everything that elites do and permit says otherwise.
@Cy5208
@Cy5208 4 жыл бұрын
Or Vijay Prashad. He would make Mark eat that The Russians are Klingons comment.
@patbranigan6501
@patbranigan6501 4 жыл бұрын
What on this earth has lasted forever? And especially what human thing has existed since the emergence of humans and even more specifically what political/economic system has lasted forever. Using the word forever just negates any argument you make. Nothing is forever. Not even this earth.
@markabrams488
@markabrams488 4 жыл бұрын
Interview covers an important subject but would be better served by less verbiage and more examples citing institutions, countries and policies
@markcutts383
@markcutts383 4 жыл бұрын
A nice discussion vis Treatys and agreements. The coming collapse of the whole system ( US or otherwise ) is about to come to a crumbling collapse and you talk about signing things or not? I won't scare you - so Revolution's off for now but if the Capitalists (US or not again ) do not go a for a Rooseveltian reflaltion of their economy and other alleged Democracies do the same then they will rue the day that they chose to be not capitalists at all over and above being poorer capitalists for a certain period. Then again - short termism has been the Hallmark of alleged Capitalists for the last forty Neo - Liberal years. It's on its way. By the way the Revolutionaries will not be negotiating or signing anything.
@black__bread
@black__bread 4 жыл бұрын
Overly intellectualised Trump (which put their sneering about apocryphal leftists into sharp relief) and missed out the foreign policy catastrophe that was Dubya, but lots of interesting chat.
@peterdollins3610
@peterdollins3610 4 жыл бұрын
See the histories of the Byzantine Empire so see how many times it came back over a thousand years. America has a far stronger physical base than 'The City' ever had. So I think you're calling the Curtain too soon. IF the US wants to refirm its Allies in Europe, Canada, Australia, South Africa, Mexico etc as starters the future might turn be very different from your vision.
@kenburnett2445
@kenburnett2445 Жыл бұрын
I wonder if it harms the average American or will it benefit us. I think the later if it reduces commitments overseas. Unfortunately we could have dark times ahead if the American hegemon decides to reinforce it's primacy with military intervention. We should embrace a multi-polar world.
@williampowhida572
@williampowhida572 4 жыл бұрын
The human family needs an international order under law to provide for the needs of people. A brotherhood of man with a supra-national patriotism. Dreams are cheap, the dis-utopia is worse. If we will survive, we must united.
@arieltejera8079
@arieltejera8079 4 жыл бұрын
Curious omitting the main challenge to the US: Asia is now the main wealth creator?
@alexanderford3819
@alexanderford3819 4 жыл бұрын
according to Cooley & Nexon..... "We live in a period of great uncertainty about the fate of America's global leadership. Many believe that Donald Trump's presidency marks the end of liberal international order-the very system of global institutions, rules, and values that shaped the American international system since the end of World War II. ."... short the pleasure to have read what is considered "the best guide to understanding Foreign policy and Global orders ! Some policies on Global orders were listed in previous "guides " .. many of which still stands... if you have any doubt ..... Secretary H.Kissinger will guarantee all your doubts to fall within reason. you may not like his accent and that's your prerogative , yet ...you cant get more american than that. Right... the fate of America's global leadership ... You mean during more "certain period we lived in during Vietnam ? Korea ? IRAN 1953.. iran iraq...and all other certain times of the banana republics ..are this the Liberal international order, Rules you consider great "American Values" that is under pressure ... Write a book on how to improve the fate of the American People and domestic policy..... No foreign accents and or Kissinger ... that it self should be a motivation to change course ..
@SuperTonyony
@SuperTonyony 2 жыл бұрын
Take a shot every time one of the authors ends a sentence with "right?".
@akeleven
@akeleven 4 жыл бұрын
Mark: maybe you don't feel this is your place but please set up a podcast about who "we/America" are. Many would like to assume that Trump is the one doing everything, but it takes a machine - it's not one person. So please point out the machine that is driving this systemic failure.
@BigHenFor
@BigHenFor 4 жыл бұрын
Have you looked up his lectures and interviews on KZfaq? His interview on the Michael Brook Show explains the Neoliberal Revolution and its first crisis - the crash of 2009 - very well. He hasn't really tackled the early 20th century in any detail however. That's unsurprising as Mark came to prominence because of his work on Neoliberalism, and Austerity in particular in the 20th century and early 21st century. Whether he will dip his toe into that arena as his discipline is Political Economy I don't know. I think it would be an interesting departure for him.
@mikefay5698
@mikefay5698 4 жыл бұрын
I assure you the US Workers are great!
@StuntpilootStef
@StuntpilootStef 4 жыл бұрын
Good grief there is some drivel in this comment section...
@sprobablycancr4457
@sprobablycancr4457 4 жыл бұрын
Can't stop with the scrolling though. Scrollers anonymous should be a thing at this point.
@BigHenFor
@BigHenFor 4 жыл бұрын
Sadly, I hope for some learned, and erudite commentary but unfortunately you get the ones who didn't read the title properly, have some pet theory to push, or just want to troll. That's KZfaq for you.
@sprobablycancr4457
@sprobablycancr4457 4 жыл бұрын
@@BigHenFor I'm here to listen to people who've done their homework. I've no idea how I end up down here! Good luck. ps, out of interest, any drivel in particular?
@end3rzl33t
@end3rzl33t 4 жыл бұрын
@@sprobablycancr4457 Drivel like boo Trump doesnt have a doctrine, so boom everything is BS what these guys say... 🤦‍♂️
@Bisquick
@Bisquick 4 жыл бұрын
Keep scrollin' scrollin' scrollin' scrollin' WHAT ...sorry
@mashfnch30
@mashfnch30 4 жыл бұрын
Mostly facile analysis disconnected from viewing Political Economy as directly linked to Geopolitics in concrete terms and brushes aside the issue of Imperialism by merely pointing to Vulgar Anti-Imperialists as if they're representative of actual analyses of Imperialism. Can't say I expect anything else from Liberalism.
@rogerhull5632
@rogerhull5632 4 жыл бұрын
There are some parallels to Morris Berman.
@costasyiannourakos6963
@costasyiannourakos6963 3 жыл бұрын
Are we serious now? US first, and then the others followed, into the outsourcing of production, which is the main cause of outsourcing the technologies and eventually the creation of skilled workmanship abroad in countries other than those of the ideas, universities and production plans had been conceived. And all that knowing from the beginning that the target was the accumulated wealth of Western societies which was about to be ended some day. So it's more like the self fullfiling prophecy we are talking about..
@cookie6644
@cookie6644 4 жыл бұрын
It's so hard to listen to people who keep saying 'right'? 'right'?...'right'?
@HypermarketCommodity
@HypermarketCommodity 4 жыл бұрын
i should stop watching things confirming what i know and understand... i love people having the same idears.
@amyjones2490
@amyjones2490 4 жыл бұрын
These guys need to listen to some Charles Eisenstein.
@grb1969
@grb1969 4 жыл бұрын
(34:21-34:39) Dollar hegemony
@TheTalkWatcher
@TheTalkWatcher 4 жыл бұрын
Why do political scientists refer to the governments of the West as "democracies?" By constitution the governments of the west are clearly oligarchies. In America there are 435 congressional reps, 100 senators and 2 presidents. So there are 537 elected federal officials for a population of 330 million people or .00001 of the population govern. This is clearly government by the few. No western state has been a democracy since ancient Athens. The American founders were familiar with the classics. They knew of the constitution of Athens and chose to model America on the constitution of Rome. This is what we got from the two executives on down. To claim that Western oligarchies are democracies is a big lie. When are political scientists going to use the true categories that apply to governments?
@matthewwilliam1180
@matthewwilliam1180 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe when you specify what those true categories "are", oh enlightened one.
@TheTalkWatcher
@TheTalkWatcher 4 жыл бұрын
@@matthewwilliam1180 You haven't read Aristotle's Politics? This is basic information.
@chrishekman6179
@chrishekman6179 4 жыл бұрын
And why use his terms? And not modern terms like rep-democracies?
@TheTalkWatcher
@TheTalkWatcher 4 жыл бұрын
@@chrishekman6179 Aristotle's theory is the foundation of Western Political science. There's no reason to reinvent the wheel.
@TheTalkWatcher
@TheTalkWatcher 4 жыл бұрын
@@matthewwilliam1180 Rule of one person is either Kingship or Tyranny. Rule of a few people is either Aristocracy or Oligarchy. Rule of the people is either Polity or Democracy.
@InternetMameluq
@InternetMameluq 4 жыл бұрын
4:15 MARK I'M TOO SMALL BRAIN TO KNOW WHO THUCYDIDES IS. EXCEPT HOW TO SPELL HIS NAME. AND THAT HE WAS FROM ATHENS. I THINK.
@robertcox14
@robertcox14 4 жыл бұрын
They are referring to Graham Allison's book "Destined For War - Can America And China Escape The Thucydides Trap" which is one empire having another coming up behind, mostly leading to war.
@danielschmidt9427
@danielschmidt9427 4 жыл бұрын
I got waaaaay less out of this than I thought I would. Zero analysis of comparable historical examples, zero practical lessons learned towards alternative strategies beside "how can we undo how much America's power has degraded". I got absolutely no sens of any "approach to understanding the rise and decline of hegemonic orders"... just a run down of some stuff that has happened over the last three decades.-> WHY IS IT HAPPENING???
@zwatwashdc
@zwatwashdc 4 жыл бұрын
Daniel Schmidt have you watched any Peter Zeihen? He has very compelling analysis of what is going on.
@BigHenFor
@BigHenFor 4 жыл бұрын
As the title is "How US Hegemony Ends" instead of Why, you might have misread the title, and are now stomping your little feet in frustration. Doh!
@zwatwashdc
@zwatwashdc 4 жыл бұрын
BigHenFor unfortunately, the talk neither explored how or why. Rather it was just little lefty academic foot stomping about how orange man bad and brainless lamenting about the way things were back in ‘the good old days’, before orange Superman destroyed everthing.
@autohmae
@autohmae 4 жыл бұрын
Most people already know why it's happening I think. It's because US politics is such a mess. And you assumed people are interested in fixing it, as long as US politics (influence of rich/powerful through campaign funding, etc.) doesn't get fixed nothing will get fixed. So their is nothing much to do.
@dalegolden8012
@dalegolden8012 4 жыл бұрын
Possibly there is no mechanical formula, it works differently every time hegemonic powers decline, depending on the times.
@watchaddicts1213
@watchaddicts1213 4 жыл бұрын
Mark, I truly wish you'd invite Peter Zeihan on to discuss his counterpoint to the point of view presented by the authors here. America one's the Oceans; the world's currency; about to own the Premier World Trade agreements. America can let China die on the vine...without a war. America may well destroy itself, but no other country will.
@roc7880
@roc7880 4 жыл бұрын
China makes all the stuff you buy in Walmart. how is China dependent on US not the other way around?
@matthewwilliam1180
@matthewwilliam1180 4 жыл бұрын
roc China by no means owns the monopoly on low-cost manufacturing. Vietnam, Thailand etc. could all pick up the slack if China was excluded from global trade. Conversely, China is fully-dependent on foreign naval powers to provide security on the high seas so that it can import raw materials and export its goods to international markets; the US Navy is the only one powerful enough to do that for all the world's oceans.
@danielschmidt9427
@danielschmidt9427 4 жыл бұрын
@@matthewwilliam1180 You can't exclude only China, and keep the rest. We slap tariffs on China, head over to Vietnam with our shopping cart and SURPRISE THEY'RE RIGHT NEXT DOOR MORON YOU EVER LOOKED AT A MAP??? You'll just be buying the same Chinese crap with a Vietnamese markup, and Vietnam is pleased as piss because that's the joy of arbitrage, ZERO capital investment required.
@matthewwilliam1180
@matthewwilliam1180 4 жыл бұрын
Daniel Schmidt I'm sorry, who said anything about tariffs? If America wants to sink China it can just take its Navy and go home. Without the freedom of navigation guaranteed by the US, the world's shipments of raw resources are open to anyone who wants to take them. And since I can, in fact, read a map, I can tell you that Vietnam, Thailand etc. are closer to the supply of these resources than China is. Why settle for a markup when they can just have the whole thing?
@watchaddicts1213
@watchaddicts1213 4 жыл бұрын
Apologies for my BIG, FAT TYPO: America 'OWNS' the Oceans (our Navy).
@LL-cz5ql
@LL-cz5ql 4 жыл бұрын
This seemed vapid :(
@fitnesspluschicago
@fitnesspluschicago 2 жыл бұрын
BRING THE ACTUAL FACTS FROM WAR ZONE AND I SAW A VEDIO THAT A MAN FROM ESCAPING FROM THE RECENT BOMB NEARBY POLAND BORDER WHO SAYS. MORE-THAN 100 USA troops were killed Is this true?? Did you get any casualties report regarding this?? However Keep rocking
@PikachooUpYou
@PikachooUpYou Жыл бұрын
Russia asked to join NATO and the EU and both denied them, so we can’t blame them for not trying to become a part of the bigger system.
@rajasmasala
@rajasmasala 4 жыл бұрын
Kicking around Central American States? Are Bolivia and Brazil Central American? Okay...
@harryjacobs2462
@harryjacobs2462 4 жыл бұрын
You can't half tell who steers the direction of this show, no country has done more to bring down the US than Israel, Russia is this little cover story whilst they do it.
@dmoneytron
@dmoneytron 4 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure we are already a kleptocracy
@ROTEsimplemachines
@ROTEsimplemachines 4 жыл бұрын
I'll take "Putin's Multi-ladder-alism" for $2000, Alex.
@itsmebatman
@itsmebatman 4 жыл бұрын
I think Mark is not seeing the dollar as what it is. The dollar itself has no value. It's a fiat currency backed by nothing. The only reason the dollar is being used worldwide is, because everyone has access to it. But that isn't a natural law. If you have crazy US governments it is absolutely conceivable, that large parts of the global economy could be cut off from access to the dollar. If that happens they will still need resources and trade with their neighbors. So they'd just use something else. Because they really don't need the dollar for that.
@Q_QQ_Q
@Q_QQ_Q 3 жыл бұрын
22:00 russia is too big to be regional power .
@rosesprog1722
@rosesprog1722 3 жыл бұрын
In the 70s we Canadians all wanted to move to California, now I wish I never set foot in that shit hole country ever again, religiosity, imperialism, ego-centrism, ignorance, crony capitalism, democracy at the point of a gun, etc... A country that spends more on it's military than the rest of the world scares everyone, aggression is not how you make friends.
@richardmayger2716
@richardmayger2716 3 жыл бұрын
Russia China Iran Libia irack and Venezuela all wish to trade in oil in another currency than the USD, Do you need to know more???
@cougar1861
@cougar1861 4 жыл бұрын
Ah, yes, Obumma, the one-man Weimar Republic. Less capricious than Trump but no less depraved.
@peterwright7025
@peterwright7025 4 жыл бұрын
once you started on russia russia russia i left
@raquetdude
@raquetdude 4 жыл бұрын
Alternative title. 'How China will inevitably regain global hegemony'
4 жыл бұрын
LOL as if. They can barely keep from starving. The EU rules the world.
@celestemi4341
@celestemi4341 4 жыл бұрын
@ i don't know about that. Maybe 20 years ago you would be right.
@euunul
@euunul 4 жыл бұрын
@ I wish but countries in EU can't get their shit together and are still playing stupid games between them.
@RussCR5187
@RussCR5187 4 жыл бұрын
@ The EU has a major problem with its common currency, the Euro. Many EU countries must borrow in that "foreign" currency and thus come under the thumb of bond vigilantes, who invariably impose damaging austerity. It's inefficient to have one central bank serving multiple national governments. I'm not sure what they were thinking when they set the whole thing up.
@lutherblissett9070
@lutherblissett9070 4 жыл бұрын
@ The EU is getting squeezed from both sides. It is a weakling compared to the US and China.
@matthewcollins3887
@matthewcollins3887 4 жыл бұрын
Did you name this podcast with an intentional sense of irony? As a critic of NeoLiberalism and NeoConservatism I would assume that you're no fan of Cecil Rhodes and his nefarious machinations to initiate the drive toward global government by centralized finance. What gives? (If you have not read MacGregor and Docherty's book, I trust you will find it enriching and eye opening. The victors write the history, indeed.)
@varsityathlete9927
@varsityathlete9927 4 жыл бұрын
Different Rhodes, The William R. Rhodes Center for International Economics and Finance at Brown University was established in 2007 with the generous support of William R. Rhodes. That is where Mark works.
@matthewcollins3887
@matthewcollins3887 4 жыл бұрын
@@varsityathlete9927 Ah! An important distinction. Thanks for the clarification, j. Perhaps its unfair, but upon review of William's Board Appointments, I don't know if it's significant enough of an improvement. Glad to know the Center has the wisdom to promote Mark's message, but with friends like the CFR it's hard not to ascribe some likelihood to the conjecture that message control animates their selection and endorsement of opposition voices. Of course, if anyone, no matter what their loyalties, is willing to institute a replacement for the yolk of Fiat Debt without invoking total surveillance under a single currency and centralized global management, I'll remain open. On that note, (hey Mark!) wouldn't a multiplicity of non-transferable currencies matched to geographic watersheds and associated representative governments be a nice idea? After all, economic regions are incapable of measuring their relative value to other economic regions without currency markets to determine the differences. Under single currency regimes, they can't distinguish equitable trading partners from rapacious ones. Without heterogeneous measures of value that are fixedly specific to place, any and all value can be siphoned from any one locale into any single entity's coffers, clearly an unethical and destructive system. Jane Jacobs was clearly on the money with her ideas about this role of currencies. It'd be a hell of an improvement for Global Trumpism if nationalist sentiment were transformed constructively from xenophobic social differences into mere pride of place with a focus on regional economic improvement and representative efficacy. Competition needn't be a winner-take-all zero-sum game, but having one currency necessarily makes it so.
@redcapitalist
@redcapitalist 4 жыл бұрын
the entire argument of this book is a fallacy. it's not america vs china and/or russia. the establishment which runs america (the military industrial complex, corporations and banks) has no country allegiance. therefore, it's the establishment running america in a competitive partnership with china and/or russia (or leveraging this competitive dynamic when convenient e.g. cold war) to plunder all the resources of america. when will the american public realize that the enemy of the establishment running america is not china and/or russia, it is the american public. they are the marks in this long con - which has been running for the past 50 years under the guise of a neoliberal economic system aka neofeudalism
@bonsummers2657
@bonsummers2657 4 жыл бұрын
Trump 2020
@mikevidzdev
@mikevidzdev 4 жыл бұрын
globalism conservatism bad ... globalism liberalism good ... red scare anyone????
@cbx500cbx
@cbx500cbx 4 жыл бұрын
Esoteric crappy.
@mj.l
@mj.l 4 жыл бұрын
RIP americuh
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