Rhodes Center Podcast: Populism, or 'Anti-System Politics'?

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Watson Institute for International and Public Affairs

Watson Institute for International and Public Affairs

4 жыл бұрын

On this episode Mark talks with Jonathan Hopkin, author of 'Ant-System Politics: The Crisis of Market Liberalism in Rich Democracies.' Unlike most analyses of populism and the breakdown of party systems, Hopkin argues that the way countries' have governed their markets in the last 30 years has shaped not just the rise of populism, but a form of politics opposed to market liberalism that spans the ideological spectrum.
You can learn more about and purchase John Hopkin's book here: [www.amazon.com/Anti-System-Polit…ies/dp/0190699760]
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@ChettoDrPhil
@ChettoDrPhil 4 жыл бұрын
More and more people are saying the same thing in different ways. It's only a matter of time before something breaks.
@yinyangxperience5137
@yinyangxperience5137 3 жыл бұрын
Mark we need you more often. I really value your predictions and teaching. Need more!
@zwatwashdc
@zwatwashdc 4 жыл бұрын
Why don’t these super old super rich politicians take their chips and go home? How greedy can one person be?
@dickhamilton3517
@dickhamilton3517 3 жыл бұрын
ask the surviving older Koch brother why he is still trying to push his agenda and fiddling about in your life. Why doesn't he just retire? Because power is a drug you get hooked on.
@judasgoat8
@judasgoat8 4 жыл бұрын
And finally academia catches up... I've barely voted in the last 20 years, waiting (in vain) for a politician to have the bollocks to take on the "neo-liberal" consensus.
@NyatashaAce
@NyatashaAce 4 жыл бұрын
It always knew. The only reason you see neoliberalism promoted so much is because the people with the money is the one paying all these economists to make think tanks. Capitalism has been rejected for centuries, even by some of capitalism's most prominent promoters like John Locke. Neoliberalism is just a more pure form of capitalism.
@judasgoat8
@judasgoat8 4 жыл бұрын
@@NyatashaAce - Sorry, I know, it just seems sooo long since I last heard an academic not only admit it but explain it so eloquently, that it felt like a "and finally" moment 😉 Though I guess those six figure salaries can make some people every so forgetful....
@NyatashaAce
@NyatashaAce 4 жыл бұрын
@@judasgoat8 Yea, that's fair.
@buzoff4642
@buzoff4642 4 жыл бұрын
No sign of the politicians letting go of it here, in the US.
@yinyangxperience5137
@yinyangxperience5137 3 жыл бұрын
The two party system is not written in stone. I think the GOP and the DNC are feeling a progressive party developing and are desperately trying to shut it down.
@Kevin-Schmevin
@Kevin-Schmevin 4 жыл бұрын
I tried to order Angrynomics on Amazon yesterday and it said it was out of stock. Has anyone been able to get the book from a different store?
@leehumphries7696
@leehumphries7696 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, from Hive.co.uk
@SuperMerlin2005
@SuperMerlin2005 4 жыл бұрын
I just grabbed one off Amazon, pre ordered this one too
@zumamaya2396
@zumamaya2396 4 жыл бұрын
I wish we didn't have to support Amazon - surely they are part of the problem
@joeleonard9965
@joeleonard9965 4 жыл бұрын
Love everything you do Mark! The only thing I'm left wanting is longer podcast appearances.
@lukejolley8354
@lukejolley8354 4 жыл бұрын
Joe Leonard and less climate change alarmism. I studied forest fire ecology at university and worked as a forest fire fighter in BC; forest fires are becoming a large problem because of 100 years of irresponsible forest fire suppression which builds up fuel, and negligent forest management. This IS the scientific consensus but you will NEVER hear this from the mainstream media because they are sensationalist.
@continuousminer
@continuousminer 4 жыл бұрын
Luke Jolley they gotta sweep the forest up? You may be right friend, about forestry. Thats a field I wish I was in honesty. However I’ll take my climate change data from atmospheric scientists, not your anecdotal arborist background. No offense. Where did you study btw? Theres a large school for forestry in my hometown
@Doc_Terminus
@Doc_Terminus 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed!!! Discovered him thru Jimmy Dore a month or so ago and have learned so much since watching his videos.
@huss4realz
@huss4realz 4 жыл бұрын
Can anyone provide me with some more info on who "Collin Lee" is, the person Mr. Hopkins mentioned who coined the phrase "neo-liberal democracy" it's a fascinating idea that I wish to look into more of anyone can help please!!!
@Trials_By_Errors
@Trials_By_Errors 4 жыл бұрын
Most of the Professors Don't going understand this because their salary depends upon not understanding this.
@slynskey333
@slynskey333 4 жыл бұрын
This describes very much what is going on in Ireland right now.
@denisdaly1708
@denisdaly1708 4 жыл бұрын
Ya. I'd agree with that. Well spotted.
@buzoff4642
@buzoff4642 4 жыл бұрын
And Japan. And Italy. And Greece. And etc.
4 жыл бұрын
LOL
@JelleTheTunes
@JelleTheTunes 4 жыл бұрын
And the Netherlands. Thierry Baudet, currently the main challenger of the ruling neoliberaal party, literally uses the term 'Party Cartel' to describe how party elites from left to right have given away government to technocrats in return for political jobs and favors, leaving citizens with less and less autonomy over their law making bodies. I don't like Baudet because he has a number of antiscience and white supremacist tendencies (not to mention many of his followers), but a number of his fundamental critiques are valid. Funny to hear a 'sane' academic talk about this now.
@buzoff4642
@buzoff4642 4 жыл бұрын
@@JelleTheTunes "sane academic" Just waking up to the fact that the publics far and wide are pissed off, I do wonder how economists missed the raging bull in the room.
@whysoserious8666
@whysoserious8666 4 жыл бұрын
4000 holes and brush fires. Lancashire must really suck. Are the brush fires small enough to fit in Albert Hall too? Did they even count them all?
@stepchicken3238
@stepchicken3238 4 жыл бұрын
Showing your age! Hah, hah. Were they all in Blackburn?
@EGH181
@EGH181 4 жыл бұрын
My father’s union job was lost to this madness. I have no sympathy for what happens to this evil set of elites.
@0xCAFEF00D
@0xCAFEF00D 4 жыл бұрын
'Ant-system politics:' in the description text in the video and in the video description here on KZfaq. You can fix the latter.
@autohmae
@autohmae 4 жыл бұрын
Why are you against ants ? ;-)
@kalebdaark100
@kalebdaark100 4 жыл бұрын
@@autohmae Thankyou for that. Made me chuckle.
@georgehart1122
@georgehart1122 4 жыл бұрын
I mean I am equally curious about the volatility in ant political systems
@thegreatestlight1
@thegreatestlight1 4 жыл бұрын
And how US hegemony ends. which was a previous podcast but apart from that it’s spot on
@Q_QQ_Q
@Q_QQ_Q 3 жыл бұрын
cant be fixed
@lukejolley8354
@lukejolley8354 4 жыл бұрын
Democracy is the highest good; The nation is the seat of democracy; Long live the nation.🇨🇦
@alloomis1635
@alloomis1635 4 жыл бұрын
what is democracy?
@georgemonster2025
@georgemonster2025 4 жыл бұрын
I disagree... the smaller the electorate the better, 100 local democracies are superior to 1 national democracy. The Nation is simply a hangover from the time when it was the largest political unit which could undertake sustained military action and remain focused...
@savagethehedgehog2506
@savagethehedgehog2506 4 жыл бұрын
Politics is 1% running a government and 99% harassing Sonic fans
@continuousminer
@continuousminer 4 жыл бұрын
Gotta catch em all!
@savagethehedgehog2506
@savagethehedgehog2506 3 жыл бұрын
@@continuousminer WTF I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT POKEMON
@rednaxelA11
@rednaxelA11 4 жыл бұрын
The kids birthday party analogy; You're invited to a kids birthday - the kid is called humankind, he's a bit of a sickly child, but he deserves a pleasant day. You and your friends are really excited for the party and you munch on lots of sugary snacks and then start to play, and you choose to playfight - all the kids think this is great, but then humankind gets hurt and you're all told that if you can't play nice then you'll have to go home. You think this isn't fair, you can hold your own, you're tough enough to fight. You and the other kids are neolib corporations, you notice the other corporations changing their way and taking it easy, even giving help to humankind and being less aggressive, so you decide to pounce, because your fun matters more than anyone else's, and if everyone thinks about themselves then that's the best way to make sure the most people have the most fun without needing too much parenting. But then humankind gets hurt again! Really hurt, so much so humankind has to go inside, and the party is over. Now no one can have fun. The economic system we live in denies that as a system, it exists within an ecological system. As much as competing to get what you want might superficially seem to make sense in a scenario where there are no boundaries - the world HAS boundaries, keeping humankind healthy and happy is the only way to continue to get what you want. Whether you want limits or not, limits exist, and you have to work within them, which means you must regulate your behavior, which is antipodal to neoliberalism. The current system may continue for a very long time, or a very short time, either way it cannot continue, it is not sustainable.
@Redrage-gl6pv
@Redrage-gl6pv 4 жыл бұрын
I like this analogy and may share it elsewhere if that's cool with you.
@rednaxelA11
@rednaxelA11 4 жыл бұрын
@@Redrage-gl6pv sure!
@krcalder
@krcalder 4 жыл бұрын
"Stocks have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau.” Irving Fisher 1929. This 1920's neoclassical economist that believed in free markets knew this was a stable equilibrium. He became a laughing stock. Better shelve this for a few decades until everyone has forgotten. Now everyone has forgotten we can use it for globalisation. In the 1930s, a lot of effort went into working out what had gone wrong, but because we switched to Keynesian capitalism for a few decades much of it got lost. The free market thinkers at the University of Chicago were just as keen as anyone else to find out what had gone wrong with their free market theories in the 1920s. The Chicago Plan was named after its strongest proponent, Henry Simons, from the University of Chicago. He wanted free markets in every other area, but Government created money. To get meaningful price signals from the markets they had to take away the bank’s ability to create money. Henry Simons was a founder member of the Chicago School of Economics and he had worked out what was wrong with his beliefs in free markets in the 1930s. Banks can inflate asset prices with the money they create from bank loans. www.bankofengland.co.uk/-/media/boe/files/quarterly-bulletin/2014/money-creation-in-the-modern-economy.pdf Henry Simons and Irving Fisher supported the Chicago Plan to take away the bankers ability to create money. “Simons envisioned banks that would have a choice of two types of holdings: long-term bonds and cash. Simultaneously, they would hold increased reserves, up to 100%. Simons saw this as beneficial in that its ultimate consequences would be the prevention of "bank-financed inflation of securities and real estate" through the leveraged creation of secondary forms of money.” www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Henry_Calvert_Simons Real estate lending was actually the biggest problem lending category leading to 1929. Richard Vague had noticed real estate lending balloon from 5 trillion to 10 trillion from 2001 - 2007 and went back to look at the data before 1929. Henry Simons and Irving Fisher supported the Chicago Plan to take away the bankers ability to create money. “Stocks have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau.” Irving Fisher 1929. This 1920's neoclassical economist that believed in free markets knew this was a stable equilibrium. He became a laughing stock, but worked out where he had gone wrong. Banks can inflate asset prices with the money they create from bank loans, and he knew his belief in free markets was dependent on the Chicago Plan, as he had worked out the cause of his earlier mistake. Margin lending had inflated the US stock market to ridiculous levels. The IMF re-visited the Chicago plan after 2008. www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2012/wp12202.pdf This is how an asset price collapse feeds back into the financial system. Why did it cause the US financial system to collapse in 1929? Bankers get to create money out of nothing, through bank loans, and get to charge interest on it. www.bankofengland.co.uk/-/media/boe/files/quarterly-bulletin/2014/money-creation-in-the-modern-economy.pdf What could possibly go wrong? Bankers do need to ensure the vast majority of that money gets paid back, and this is where they get into serious trouble. Banking requires prudent lending. If someone can’t repay a loan, they need to repossess that asset and sell it to recoup that money. If they use bank loans to inflate asset prices they get into a world of trouble when those asset prices collapse. As the real estate and stock market collapsed the banks became insolvent as their assets didn’t cover their liabilities. They could no longer repossess and sell those assets to cover the outstanding loans and they do need to get most of the money they lend out back again to balance their books. The banks become insolvent and collapsed, along with the US economy. When banks have been lending to inflate asset prices the financial system is in a precarious state and can easily collapse. "It’s nearly $14 trillion pyramid of super leveraged toxic assets was built on the back of $1.4 trillion of US sub-prime loans, and dispersed throughout the world" All the Presidents Bankers, Nomi Prins. When this little lot lost almost all its value overnight, the Western banking system became insolvent. Western taxpayers had to recapitalise the banks and make up for all the losses the bankers had made on bad loans they had made to inflate asset prices. We don’t want another financial crisis so central banks have to keep pumping up asset prices. When asset prices collapse it feeds back into the financial system. Today’s policymakers think banks are financial intermediaries. This is what banks would look like after the Chicago Plan, but that was never put into place. Banks can still inflate asset prices with money they create out of nothing. www.bankofengland.co.uk/-/media/boe/files/quarterly-bulletin/2014/money-creation-in-the-modern-economy.pdf Policymakers have been slow to realise how this causes the problems the University of Chicago found in the 1930s.
@krcalder
@krcalder 4 жыл бұрын
Ben Bernanke is famous for his study of the Great Depression and here it is discussed in the Wall Street Journal. www.wsj.com/articles/SB113392265577715881 “Theoretically, neither deflation nor inflation ought to affect long-run growth or employment. After a while, people and businesses get used to changing prices. If prices fall, eventually so will wages, and the impact on profits, employment and purchasing power will be neutral. Borrowers suffer during deflation because their debts are fixed in value, but creditors benefit because the dollars they get back will buy more. For the economy as a whole, deflation ought to be a wash.” What has Ben Bernanke got wrong? He thinks banks are financial intermediaries and there was no way he could understand the debt deflation of the Great Depression. Policymakers can convince themselves “debt doesn’t matter”, as it doesn’t appear to if banks are financial intermediaries, but they aren’t. The central banks started revealing the truth in 2014, starting with the BoE. www.bankofengland.co.uk/-/media/boe/files/quarterly-bulletin/2014/money-creation-in-the-modern-economy.pdf Paul Krugman 2019 “Debt is money we owe to ourselves” No Paul, that’s not actually true. He still thinks banks are financial intermediaries and he’s got a Nobel Prize in economics. That’s how bad it is out there.
@EGH181
@EGH181 4 жыл бұрын
God bless Spain!!!!!!!
@zwatwashdc
@zwatwashdc 4 жыл бұрын
You wouldn’t want to use plain terms in case you might offend someone. How valuable is an academic class terrified of being cancelled. Truth isn’t an option.
@duzgud
@duzgud 4 жыл бұрын
Lesser evil paves the way to greater evil. Politics of fear delivers all we are afraid of.
@pathevermore3683
@pathevermore3683 4 жыл бұрын
Ant-system Politics? do fire ants or bullet ants have more cut thought couriers?
@TankUni
@TankUni 4 жыл бұрын
It's probably a bit unfair, but I sort of feel like saying 'no shit, Sherlock' to a lot of these points. It's almost as though until academics start writing papers and books about it, they're oblivious to facts of life that are common knowledge down at the local pub or job seeker center.
@Camcolito
@Camcolito 4 жыл бұрын
'They are very similar in economic policy' - Seriously? Trump is similar to Corbyn on economic policy? Eliminate the estate tax, cut taxes on corporations, and fill your cabinet with financiers and bankers - that's what Corbyn would do? A statement that only someone completely unaffected by economic policy could make.
@alloomis1635
@alloomis1635 4 жыл бұрын
in the usa there are several states whose constitution is reasonably 'democratic,:' large scale changes must be accepted by the electorate through referendum, , the citizens can over-ride or ignore political control, through initiative and they can fire public officers through a 'recall' initiative. california is a notable example, with all of those functions in continual or occasional use, as appropriate. so there is no excuse for any usan to refer to 'american democracy.' as it doesn't exist, it never has, it was explicitly avoided by madison to appease to the grandees who controlled most of the post-revolutionary states. why the continual appeal to 'defend democracy?' perhaps because getting it would be hard, so let's pretend we have it. -and complain constantly about violations. not good enough. concentrated power of any oligarchy results in concentrated wealth, and a national character of 'take all you can.' whence continual war and looming climate catastrophe. 'in rich democracies' cedes the argument to greed. unless you are referring to switzerland? usa is moderately rich, but no democracy..
@fishingoutofwater
@fishingoutofwater 4 жыл бұрын
Are you talking about states like California? Because it kind of exemplifies the problems in this video
@BlackTheCaptain
@BlackTheCaptain 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe the voting base would be better if the U.S. didnt incarcerate the 60s
@GregoryWonderwheel
@GregoryWonderwheel 4 жыл бұрын
I thought this was a great discussion, until names were named. Neither Trump nor Sanders are anti-system politicians by their votes and conduct, regardless of whether they have anti-system rhetoric. In the USA there is no anti-system politician in Congress or the White House. Even AOC is pro-system by her capitulation to and endorsement of Pelosi.
@Kalarandir
@Kalarandir 4 жыл бұрын
As an old middleaged white guy, I am tired of being described as an anti-immigrant right-winger. I voted to leave the EU on the basis that I want my life and my country to be run by those who are accountable to me. I want my country ran by my Parliament. Too many on the left are more than happy to scream Fascist because I have not bought into their neoliberal dream. Corbyn, for all his faults, reflected the Labour party of the 1960s and 70s. He was in my opinion very suspicious of the EU and did not see it as a check on rightwing governments that the Labour party of the 80s and beyond seemed to believe.
@stepchicken3238
@stepchicken3238 4 жыл бұрын
Blyth tried a few times to push Hopkin into supporting his 'Global Trumpism' narrative but Hopkin has ideas of his own that are more original and dispassionate. Blyth, despite his grounded economic ideas is at heart a chippy, working class scot who would like to see Antifa and BLM take control and eventually smash the system. I doubt he'd ever admit it, though.
4 жыл бұрын
He is not talking about the individual, but the largest groups.
@nk53nxg
@nk53nxg 4 жыл бұрын
Ehhhh, I think Neoliberalism introduced by Reagan and Thatcher in the late 70's is a very right wing ideology. The Lefties piss me off too though, by labelling all White people as privellaged and racist. This is total shite, White people worked in mills and down mines where life expectancy was 45 years. Working class white people had nothing to do with slavery either?! The Left banging on about this and the White man bashing is pissing off everyone, which is why they are no longer taken seriously. Because guess what, Europe is a White majority region and we are from here, which also begs the question if we are so bad why are so many North Africans swarming over here?! Also most of the most tolerant countries on the planet are all White European, try having a march about human rights in Saudi. Or try owning a business or home in China. Many African nations are openely racist, and have a habit of practicing genocide on other black ethnic groups. So until the Left come up with a balanced and sensible argument to debate, I will not vote for them. The right unfortunately only represent the wealthy at a fundamental level, I would not vote for them either. So that leaves Who?
@SpectatingBystander
@SpectatingBystander 4 жыл бұрын
Why can't Mark be in charge of the world economic systems. He speaks absolute no B.S & pure sense.
@NyatashaAce
@NyatashaAce 4 жыл бұрын
Because we like in a dictatorship of capital. Mark Blyth's pretty centrist positions would strongly undermine the powers of american and chinese billionaires.
@brandoYT
@brandoYT 4 жыл бұрын
BERNIE JUST PLAIN QUIT Trump caring about some group? who might that be ??
@richardblinn4811
@richardblinn4811 4 жыл бұрын
These two guys are very generous in throwing around the " racist " label. They are still caught up with the Hillary Clinton's " basket of deplorables " crowd.
@tiagofreitas1976
@tiagofreitas1976 4 жыл бұрын
God on the other hand was not generous when he decided the amount of intelligence you should get.
@zwatwashdc
@zwatwashdc 4 жыл бұрын
Tiago Freitas why are liberals so nasty, rarely addressing the point and always attacking the person?
@EGH181
@EGH181 4 жыл бұрын
We need a new socialist party. Democratic Socialist
@darthkek1953
@darthkek1953 4 жыл бұрын
The guy who put the advert at the start of this podcast needs to order a burger to go with his vocal fry.
@MrOliverwoods
@MrOliverwoods 4 жыл бұрын
This explains the U.S. Everybody loves ACA, but if you put a black guy’s name on it 30% of americans then hate it. Everything political has to be explained through the race filter. Everything
@fatmurray1
@fatmurray1 4 жыл бұрын
Rhodes Centre as in Cecil? These guys must be closet racists 😉
@jamesp3902
@jamesp3902 4 жыл бұрын
Most peoples view of the ACA is based on whether it cost or saved them money. The cost of covering pre-existing conditions, previously uninsured, etc is paid by increased premiums and increased deductibles.
@Mystik3Al
@Mystik3Al 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry you lost me when you repeated the " Racist anti immigration parties" mantra.
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