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that actually seems crazy, it's funny how after being snubbed by cinema for so long Napoleon is now getting super popular again. French boy here is not gonna complain

Yeah unfortunately looks like it might be stuck in development hell. With all the problems wb and HBO are having right now, it might just get canned. But we can hope for the best.

Not impressed with Spielberg anymore. He went preachy political boring.

one thing just based on the trailer is it looks like they're trying to pass off the cannon's firing on the ice at austerlitz as a surprise attack when in reality the battle had already been won.

Well, we're at least getting a 7 part HBO series by Steven Spielberg

@@VloggingThroughHistory Officiel ?

@@danythedog7908yeah! Based on the great Stanley Kubrick’s unused script for his unmade Napoleon movie (he made Barry Lyndon instead which I would love to hear Chris’s thoughts on one of these days)

@@VloggingThroughHistory You know you'll end up with David Benioff and D. B. Weiss as writers and they'll do a GOT Season 8 on the whole thing. They'll cram the entire return of Napoleon into a single episode.

Try and get your hands on Christian Clavier's Napoleon mini-series from 2002. 6 hours divided into 4 episodes.

"I made one mistake in my life, I should have burned Berlin"

Isobel Crawley : How you hate to be wrong. Violet Crawley, Dowager Countess of Grantham : I wouldn't know, I'm not familiar with the sensation.

Tbh I rolled my eyes

That must've been before Moscow.

@@fodank I thought his campaign in Egypt was a bit of a disaster as well but it was presented to the French people as a great victory

That's a nice observation! I wonder how the French will dub it... With a perfect French accent or with a Corsican accent?

@@cheesehands3112 they never use a corsican accent is too much Is like a new jersey accent of tony soprano compare to a perfect oxford british accent

American Napoleon will not be a good movie and I will not pay to watch it. Scott and Phoenix should've put more effort into creating an accurate voice for the main character.

Well I thought he was just french. I learneded.

@@CooManTunes Speaking english with a french accent would just sound stupid.

True, so tired of the superhero phase of hollywood

@@BreadPitt1012 As someone who loves superhero movies, I reluctantly agree.

@@BreadPitt1012 Yea, because no other movies got made, huh? There were plenty of good movies released alongside superhero movies all the way from the first Iron Man to Wakanda Forever. Just don't watch what you don't like, damn.

Hollywood Lost me with the Marvel Hero Crapola,, Hopeful some Historical Real Figures in Real Life.

Don't forget Barbie

I remembered him, when I saw the ice part haha

More like Epic History TV.

This has been in Scott's head for years I'd guess.

@@andres20111996 oh yeah the ice part, its gonna be awesome.

​​@@AaronGuestDefinitely. It's the greatest history series on YT.

I mean, he literally said her name right before he died. He also went into a state of grief and locked himself in his room for two days straight when he learned of her death in 1814 during his exile on Elba.

Rizz

I not sure where you get this from but she despised him. He was a joke between herself and her friends.

​@@robotjeansNot really, don't know where you got that half truth from. But after Napoleon came back from Egypt she ended her cheating affairs, and they really bonded. To claim she or he never loved the other is insulting to history

@@robotjeans That is wildly incorrect. Aside from her very clear heartbreak at their divorce it is also clear from the letters they continued to exchange until Napoleon's exile, the fact he visited her at Malmaison and she was delighted to see him, that she liked his company. Even beyond romantic affection, she was profoundly grateful to him for being a father to her two children by Alexandre. While it is true their early years were unsteady for a number of reasons, they became companions. I recommend looking up "The Rose of Martinique", an extensively sourced biography of Josephine.

Great, largely forgotten, movie!

It's by far his best film, in my opinion. Made before he got millions of dollars to make silly costume dramas and pro-military films.

That’s one of my favorite films ever . I saw it last year for the first time since it’s release . Beautifully filmed in France and partly in Canada.

Ridley Scott sold the movie to the two lead actors as a chance to eat in many different French restraunts.

Scott did not have the budget to make battle scenes for the Duellist, he wanted do it across the period like you said, he only did something very little for the Russian campaign.

Well, you can't show an older woman being sexual, even implicitly! Women must be young always! It's so tiresome.

Josephine was old but was recorded to be quite beautiful for her age, so I think it’s fine like that, as long as they portray her as an aged and experienced woman, which definitely seems the case.

@@VideoMask93 Go be a weirdo feminist someplace else.

​@VideoMask93 where have you been? That's so not the case

@@mattb8754 On Earth? Have you seen the ages of leading ladies compared to leading men in romantic roles? Maggie Gyllenhall was told she was too old, at 37, to play the love interest for a 55-year-old man. It was considered a big move when 47-year-old Daniel Craig's Bond had an on-screen hookup with 50-year-old Monica Belluci, because of how "normal" it's been for younger actresses to be paired with much older actors.

Season 1 of Rome was amazing, both historically and as fiction. Season 2, knowing that was the the series wouldn't be renewed, went off the rails.

may be a 3:30 hr film

I really like it when they find a way to hit all the important story beats. It doesn't matter to me if Napoleon meets Josephine after Egypt, so long as they get the relationship right and the story is watchable. I really don't care about continuity in historical drama - for that you need a book, a documentary, or a 37 hour TV Series by the BBC. In a two hour movie you'll need to move stuff around to make it compelling in between the epic set pieces.

@@airborngrmp1 I kind of prefer bio pics that focus one specific portion of the subject's life instead of trying to fit in the entire life story in 2 and a half hours. Otherwise, a series would be more appropriate ala the John Adams miniseries. What they did with Lincoln was perfectly done, focused mainly on the last year of his life. There's just no way you can squeeze everything into 2-3 hours for Napoleon.

I’m actually not aware of any major historical inaccuracies in HBO Rome, at least not in the first season. They followed the events of Caesar’s civil war faithfully.

YES

💯🫡

RIP Marshal Lannes

Terror belli, decus pacis…

RIP Lannes and Davout about to fist fight against Bernadotte after the prussians.

Agreed, Napoleons law: The Code Napoleon, transformed the way the world looked at people, prioritizing skill set rather than birthright

@@CarBojar he basically lay out the fundation of how we are today

@@user-uv9zr8qs2c yes

​@@CarBojarI hope we get to see Napoleon the administrator, not just Napoleon the conqueror.

And he invented the gas bbq

Agree 100%

Same problem with many other good historical pieces like outlaw king. They quickly feel rushed and crammed with people, names ect.

There is too much CGI in the film and also Joaquin Phoenix does not have the charisma that Christian Clavier had playing Napoleon.

@@albertb.7147how were you able to see it already?

It would be a great series

@@albertb.7147 Time traveler

2 hours 38 minutes.

​@@VloggingThroughHistorysounds like a good runtime, 4 minutes longer than Gladiator

@@VloggingThroughHistory I love long movies, and I love Napoleon. The trailer did seem to have a few historical inaccuracies in my eyes, but I am SUPER excited nonetheless.

@@rsr7014 Napoleon is a biopic and it's directed by Ridley Scott, No Worries

@@rsr7014 Great point, Ridley isn't perfect. Although I will say the Director's cut of Kingdom of Heaven was MUCH better than the theatrical cut.

I know exactly what you mean, however, Napoleon when he was younger (even younger than Pheonix is now) was actually quite skinny and lanky for his height. The 1930's Able Gance Napoleon film also goes for this look. The image of an older, more overweight Napoleon comes more from the end of his career, by the battle of Waterloo he would more resemble the image of Napoleon that many of us would have seen in the likes of cartoons growing up. Very excited for the film though, it looks like it could be incredible! 🤙

I agree. He was awesome as Emperor Comodus in Gladiator, so he’s very good at playing historical figures.

@@tamiwatchesstuff If only we could have young Joaquin from gladiator to play young napoleon and older to play later years

right for a young napoleon I don't see much resemblance, but i'm sure the acting performance will be superb

He looks dis-interested, mumbles and sounds un-intelligent, Napoleon was the opposite.

Watch the trailer to the 1970 Waterloo movie. This one (Scotts) is so bad on acting level compared to that movie (1970).

Ur wish is literally being granted cause HBO is releasing a mini-series based off of Kubrick's script. 7 part I think

@@geechyguy3441 who is directing / screenwriting it?

@@AlexWellbelove Steven Spielberg

cant wait to see what he is making (Spielberg). This one looks so bad in reality.

@@robbieturner3636 It seems a bit embellished but it's definitely still possible for this movie to have some epic moments.

I would wager since Napoleon is such a well known and documented figure, as well as being more modern, that this will be more historically accurate. I never saw 1492, but Gladiator and Kingdom of Heaven were both very suited to artistic liberties due to the nature of the topics and people being less than vaguely familiar with the subject matter. At least I hope....

The Last Duel was a lot more accurate.

Hopefully it won’t be too outside of the realm of fact because Napoleon’s life doesn’t need that much revision to be incredible.

@@MrJade12 The half open helmets in the movie drove me crazy. Who in his right mind would use something like that?

Yea and Kingdom of Heaven (Directors Cut) and Gladiator are still 10/10 movies regardless of their accuracy. Besides that, it's not some Superhero bs or a lazy remake of something.

Plus, why would you shoot a canon ball on top of a pyramid even if you are standing right next to the Giza pyramids? Made no sense. lol

I think that scene takes place after the battle and is meant to portray the story of how Napoleons soldiers shot the nose off of the sphinx.

what a way to mess around with history all so that people can get a large dopamine hit from seeing the pyramids shot at! Napoleon himself would love to see how he's portrayed as some unjoyful man who lead charges even when he didnt ( dont think that ppl after watching this film wont believe that Napoleon shot at the pyramids and lead charges, there are even people who believe the world is round)

2 hours 38 minutes.

@@VloggingThroughHistory That's a little disappointing. I hope there's an extended cut. I could easily watch a 5 and a half hour film, like the 1927 Abel Gance epic

Then this will not be one of those occasions. Most of the "extras" are animated.

agreed, he will always be Napoleon to me, just as Christopher Plummer will always be the Duke of Wellington

@@richardbarnshaw5795 100%. I love Phoenix and will watch this film but Rod is the quintessential Napoleon.

@@richardbarnshaw5795 And yes, Plummer is the one and only Duke of Wellington.

Looks like they'll all have british instead of french accents.

And the Anglicized pronunciation of his name

​@@anathardayaldarno biggies. Got used to listening a bunch of Soviets speaking in British accent for Chernobyl.

@@corgansow6173 Or posh-speaking British in Les Misérables (2012) :)

@@anathardayaldar Yep. Boring.

It really depends, in France he is quite well know as the guy that gave the USA its independance with De Grasse, and as a traitor to the Revolution because he deserted to join Austria against France in 1792. He also played a major political influence during the 1830 revolution.

Have you read Hero of Two Worlds by Mike Duncan?

here's hoping for another historical movie high in the industry

Don't forget Generals Blücher and Gneisenau and Queen Luise! But I bet, that we will see none of them. Prussia's great figures will be left out, like always.

@@AnnieBlackmore oh it would be great to see Queen luise☺

@@chheinrich8486 I adore her!

Probably some ethnic actors

Imagine if they found someone who looked like them. If you’ve watched The Kingsman the 3 cousins aka the 3 Ruling Monarchs of Germany, Britain and Russia was played 1 guy who looked exactly like all 3 of them

One day, i dream of a movie about napoleon where the ACTUAL history is the story, that the corsican tyrant was an utter despoiler, mad man and psychotic. That he demanded hegemonoc dominion and nothing he brought anywhere had anything to do with 'law' or 'order' and definitively NOTHING to do with 'democracy'. But because america was supported by the french against britain in its 'independence' movement and then the psychotic dictator of america was supported by france in the american civil war... well, france cannot be shown as the bad guys they were.

You can't know that from the trailer, besides the battle of the pyramids (which appears to be only a minor geographical inaccuracy) Chris was able to recognise a few things that actually happened in real life so it's a good sign.

Not historically accurate to our reality, but 100% accurate to the reality the film is a part of.

@@DixonsCider I've studied Napoleon quite a bit and I don't really recall Napoleon being all that bent on "hegemonic dominion". All these coalitions were formed against France and declared war on France a great many of the defeats of these coalitions is what caused French occupation of so many countries. Even the invasion of Russia wasn't about a land grab, but just getting Russia to follow their own damn treaty they signed about the continental blockade which the Russian's backstabbed.

@@briceoka5623 I know a great deal about the French Revolution and Napoleonic wars, the depiction of Napoleon in the us trailer has him as cold and humourless when in reality he was very passionate and energetic especially in his early career, the sense from his coup is also wrong as he nearly blundered it and was saved by the political skills of his brother, he also didn’t fire cannons at the ice at Austerlitz. So like I said it’s not going to be very accurate but I’m still very excited to see it for all the spectacle and fun of it

yes, it seems the frozen lake scene will be one of those historical inaccuracies

Plus, @spiritfoxmy6370, the great ice shattering probably never happened (except in Westeros). There is no physical evidence of mass drowning in that lake.

@@yeomanjanice4101 The drowning likely happened, and they're totally okay to show it, but yea I wish they showed it how it actually went.

You saw events at waterloo and the invasion of russia in 1812 so i guess not.

There will be a HBO 7 part series as well which should cover it in more detail but still, 7 still doesn't feel like it's enough to cover Napoleon's life.

@@atomic4650 yeah but HBO is full of Woke shit now !

@@Majestic8573take me back to 2005 or even 2014 with True Detective. I haven’t watched HBO for years.

​@@Majestic8573Probably him and half of France will be black.

What got me into the Napoleon time period was Bernard Cornwell's Sharpe in book and tv series through the 90's, i hope Napoleon creates historical interest for Generation Z like what Sharpe did for me. It was a great educational time for me.

Now THAT would have been interesting having Lady Gaga play her lol I'm trying to imagine that in my mind.

I disagree a bit on the warmongering part. The vast majority of the wars he engaged seemed clearly defensive (minus Spain and Russia overall). So I am not sure who was the warmongering between him or the UK fedspoon European countries who kept declaring war to France (or him) because the monarchy system (and current balance) may be in danger. Him winning most of the time does not make him fully responsible of the casualties. The casualties were terrible, but the final outcome of his existence led to stabilized nations, downfall or loss of power of monarchies (not necesserarily violently) and a solid code system copied by many modern countries. Sometimes this is the cost of big changes. I do agree that towards the end of his reign (before his comeback) he was way too relentless despite the disadvantage he was in, bleeding his own country and beyond.

Maybe Spain was Napoleon being a warmonger, but Russia was violating their own treaty to enforce the continental blockade. After Russia loses a bunch of wars of aggression against France and wont even hold to their own treaties that were signed to keep the peace, I'm not sure it's "warmongering" that brought France to invade Russia.

@@Edax_Royeaux I think if you called anyone a "warmonger" back then, they would've just laughed at you.

@@Jymvador My own research for my master's in history revolves around the lead up to the Congress of Vienna. Many of the sources that I've encountered did show that Napoleon had no hesitations of declaring war against the other powers. France still had a very large supply of resources and manpower that can mobilize effectively, greater than any other great power save Britain and Russia. The other great powers had real reason to see Napoleon as a threat (besides the revolution). Even then, it wasn't just ideology that was motivating the Coalitions. Napoleon had a habit of not keeping the terms he agreed to in his treaties, especially in the German and Italian lands. There's also the matter of Napoleon's Continental System, which was only created as a blockade against Britain and nothing else. Furthermore, he often placed members of his family and personal cohort as monarchs for his client states. And let's not forget his huge ambition. I think those are all reasons to consider Napoleon as a threat to stability outside ideology. I mean, you could say the wars are defensive. Taking all the factors I've mentioned together though, there was reason for the other powers to declare war on him, and Napoleon found that exhilarating. Now for the destruction those wars caused, I think there are many sources that I could think of that support that claim, but David Bell's book on Total War I think is the best in describing this.

Most of his letter written in the late 18th century were written in italian.

It doesn't look like they cared about italian or french accent on the film.

Not true he learned French around the age of 8 used to pronounce some words with a Corsican accent (like an italian patois that still exists in Corsica, every region of France at the time had its own patois words & accent, that's still the case, even though some accents disappeared like the ones from the west of the country i'm from the west of France myself ) he used to make some spelling mistakes when he was writing from the battlefield (which was a bit logic considering the lack of time & hard moments he was going through during a campaign) but not to the point he was speaking bad french, had an awful accent and it was hard to understand or read him... That's part of the "black legend" some haters tried to create about him like "he wasn't enough French" which is very funny considering his life story, all he did for France & because nowadays as soon as an african arrive in France & speak bad french, some politicians try to tell us they are french like the ones who have been in the country for centuries... Napoleon could have never rised like he did with bad language, epecially after he done a prestigious military school where education was extremely hard & strict and learning of French Cuture & everything was so intense to get your degree & evolve in your career...

Yeah ! Barbie is crushing 🎉 😂😂😂

@@masterjointu that was a bland joke...

Napoleon was a complex figure. Remember, he also forced thousands into conscription, starved tens of thousands of civilians in his military campaigns to keep his army fed, and had his men commit atrocities in attempt to suppress uprisings. Spain and Russia are perfect examples of such.

​@@dastemplar9681 You're refering to a fake mainstream history. In terms of Russia, Kutuzov burned Moscow, not Napoleon, and there's tons of other facts like this

Because he was a tyrant

Josephine’s opinions in the film are not the director’s opinions + he was a tyrant. All imperialist Emperors are. Francisco Goya was so horrified by the Peninsular War that he made terrifying art pieces for the rest of his life.

@@thenablade858 Tyrant? you don't have a single clue about him. He wasn't even remotel a tyrant, you just read too much neoliberal garbage. Plus that scene where he commands to shoot the pyramids is the most absurd and idiotic fantasy of a sick malicious director. Everything we know today about the ancient Egypt we personally owe to Napoleon, because he not only never shot pyramids, he was the first one to call up all needed scientists and other people to preserve everything possible for history, every single thing we know about Egypt was preserved by him for posterity and history.

Yes, I've been waiting for napoleon and dune part 2. Could be the best 2 movies this year

We are both EXITED my friend.......

Man in the high castle wasn’t Scotts fault. The guy was executive producer. The reason that show flopped was S4s writing and Amazon cancelling the show

As the other gentleman said, Ridley produces a lot of tv shows, so he had nothing to do with MITHC, And with the Alien prequals, i think Prometheus was good if flawed in places, but i do think Covenant was horrible, partly because of fan pressure to bring the damn creature back. I also liked Shaw from Prometheus and think that was a massive misstep not continuing her story. Ridley's quality in film making has slumped i agree. Napoleon will not be the same vision as The Duelists that is for sure.

Martian was 10 years ago????????? Holy s

It doesn't look good at all. The Napoleon Total War video game looks better than this movie.

Excellent maybe in terms of acting skills - that is, if he can leave behind the stoic depression style of the Joker (so far from the trailer, he can't) - but the fact that we're watching a 48 year old man play a person in his twenties - and yes, also in his later years but Napoleon was 52 when he died - is very off-putting. As a reenactor, I see this all too often when 70% of the people in the battle are in their 40s and 50s or even above. It just takes away the energy and dynamic.

The writers had to take shortcuts. The Egyptian campaign itself could fit into a 2-hour film.

@@JeagerGray Which begs the question of why this had to be a single film instead of a limited series.

@@HalfLifeExpert1 I don't think a series about Napoleon would be very popular. Even a 2 hour historical film in this time period is very audacious, I don't think it's gonna appeal to a wide audience. I may be wrong though