"So it would seem."

I doubt it since Wellington as he was in Flanders at the time. It could have been Gen. George O'Hara as he was the British commander who ended up surrendering to Napoleon. FYI, O'Hara was the British officer who surrendered to George Washington 12 years earlier at Yorktown, VA.

​@@janefelix3821 You may also remember he lost to Mel Gibson in The Patriot at the battle of Cowpens, albeit, I will admit, as second in command to Lord Cornwallis. But, yes General O'Hara's military career is much chequered. :-)

my fav scene was where Wellington said: "it's Wellingtoning time" and he charged the Imperial Guard

This one got me good 😂

Hard to believe this whole scene is French vs. French. The Imperial supporters escaped on those ships.

@@iamgermane No. The British Royal Navy was docked at the port and manned Ft Mulgrave. The town itself was defended by a largely Italian and Spanish army with some British regiments. Barely 1000 of the men defending the city were French royalists.

@@DarkFilmDirector Well Toulon was inhabited by Royalists correct? They had to escape on those ships.

love the sharp reference

@@justinc183 Glad someone gets it

Quality observation. (typed on a cell phone)

They knew they'd outscore kittens on FB reels in the morning

They knew they'd outscore kittens on FB reels in the morning

Not a living in the moment. Everyone just cellphone in sight.

“Living”

LOL

Different actors fool

😅😅

Ahahahaha what a surprise that’s Darth Vader with his helmet

@@justinmorgan2126 that's the joke sherlock..

Well..back then, people in their 30s looked liked they were in their 50s.

zero Napoleon vibes from him.

War changes a man.

It's called acting

The stress of existing back then probably put wrinkles and varicose veins on most before they hit 12

Rule britannia. Duke of Wellington put an end to L’Empereur at the Battle Waterloo 1815

@@christophermichaelclarence6003he was lucky that blucher got his back

@@DeathSurgeonOPBR The Redcoats Square formation could old them off

@@christophermichaelclarence6003 No they didn't lol, French artillery were firing from a farm house destroying British squares, Wellingtons British lines were falling apart and if it weren't for Napoleon not sending the Old Guard, and Blucher showing up, Wellington would have had his ass handed to him on a silver platter

@@GuidedMissile.Part of Wellington’s plan was literally the fact he knew Napoleon would think they’re retreating and push his Guards forward. The Cavalry charge was poor judgement by Marshal Ney, and they got shredded by the British Square Formation. Once the cavalry were done, Wellington used his fire by ranks to decimate the Guards. Blucher also happened to show up, which helped him out. I think the fun thing about Waterloo was that both leaders were waiting on reinforcements. The Prussian soldiers led by Blucher to aid Wellington. And Grouchy’s Army to aid Napoleon.

One of the few times that Napoleon directly took part in hand to hand combat, and the most accurate part of the film.

And it's not very accurate. Napoleon led a bitter charge against the fort after other French units had already been driven back. They didn't sneakily catch the Brits without a night watch partying, there was already intense fighting when Napoleon's unit charged. And the Brits did not have a wall full of loaded cannon overlooking the harbor aimed at their own ships, which would be the wrong direction to stop a French charge from the landward side. Napoleon supervised the hauling of French cannon into place and when the British saw this they basically sailed away because their position was untenable at that point.

Such a brave horse to give its life for cinematic realism. Viva le cheval!

In an alternate universe Schwarzenegger single handedly destroys both armies with a minigun.

That would be 20,00 British, there were Scots, Welsh & Irish there as well!

If it had been in French you would have complained that an English speaking audience won't understand.

@@tedcrilly46 Subtitles would be available.

Glad I wasn't the only one. Best bit of the whole scene for comic value.

Right like the only thing missing was the breathing,maybe it was drowned out by the music ,not to make it obvious 😂😂😂

@@spartan2767 Darth Vader in covert mode...

You were not alone!

Darth*

And you know this how ? Did you know him ? History lies you know only what you have been told

​@@rltw2753 Why would history lie about this?

@@rltw2753 There is a reason why Military brought into the battle a bunch of painters and schollars.

​@@rltw2753 Napoleon was always moving forward, taking the initiative, so it's simply impossible. That's one of the many contradictions and lies in this film.

That’s the whole point; not many are just completely fearless, especially going to war with the biggest army at the time. It’s despite his fear he’s able to win and succeed

Reminds me of that Blackadder skit about the execution squad... readysetFIRE

*Yes, for europe they were good strategists, but compared to the Russians, they are inexperienced children. ;)*

@@Time_Developer 🤡

@@uncle7215*, open a history book. ;)*

@@Time_Developer I’m a masters student of military history at a renown British university lol

idc

Sir, i've lost my leg.

waterloo is one hell of a good movie

The scale is astonishing.

i agree, but i do appreciate some of the scenes in this one.

"But the battles just downgraded from here." - thats right. i hope we see more of the battles in the extended version

@@ciby200My guess is that they wouldn’t leave the most expensive parts of the film (the battles) out of the theatrical cut so I reckon we’ve seen them all already

@@jamiemcerlain5897 i know for sure that they cut some battles (the entire italian arc is cutted ) and for example for the battle of borodino if you look closer you saw that the charge of Napoleon with horses (no comment lol) was the cutted version of the battle of Marengo (still no comment) because we saw Napoleon in a different uniform and we saw rapidly that they were charging austrians units not russians

that would be very disappointing. if this is the case, this napoleon would be my personal worst movie about him.@@jamiemcerlain5897

@@dustman0048 The million dollar question is… if all these scenes return in the extended version will the film actually become good?… I doubt it

Phoenix admitted to Director Scott that he had no idea how to play the character of Bonaparte. He has this pensive ambivilence throughout the entire film.

@@TeamGreenBurrito Didn't Phoenix do his own research, instead of relying solely on the director ?

I think he might have a concussion after he fell from the horse

​@@kairos_fluentthe director still dictates how it should play most of the time, Phoenix is an awesome actor, yet his work was completely hindered on this role by lack of direction

You'd reflect on it later. Not mid-fight.

Do you read? Napoleon Bonaparte was legendary! He never even wore those stupid spandex superhero suits. He was the best field commander in history. The epitome of the Romantic era of European history, even with his flashy drama of personal romance that was iconic as well as directly identifying, similar to the cadre of turmoil that marriages of any stature experience. Ridley Scott and Joaquin Phoenix did admirably, as the task of encompassing the effect and legacy of someone who conquered all of continental Europe is more than what Marvel characters do. I appreciate Marvel for entertaining children, but the genre of superhero does not reflect well about adults with actual responsibilities. The Incredibles were actually more entertaining than these pijama protagonists.

I’m surprised a black didn’t play the part

​@@Troy342 still not a french playing L'empereur

@@freddman0135 Or Corsican, for that matter!

@@user-gi8pk9uc7q heh, or a 1,60 man, or that spoke french, or that was born in the 18th centhury

My favourite!

And Napoleon is portrayed by an actor of the same age, namely Mr Tom Burke

2024 :)

Wtf is this obsession with "softness". Living in peace doesn't mean you're soft, it means you're lucky.

Teehee!@@ebbu.planespotting1903

Life was very tough for most people over 200 years ago. They would be astounded by our civilization today and they would think of many people these days as soft.

Be thankful. That may change very soon.

🙂

I'd say turning a hill with breastworks into a literal castle is a MASSIVE change. And yes, it certainly set the tone for this horrible interpretation.

Yeah set the tone for the rest of the movie being absolutely shit

Many movies and series are ruined by unnecessary romance. They seem to think they always have to put that in

seems like everyone is saying similar things, bit of a shame really, they had potential to make something great

Napoleon 2002, 100 times better than this one

If the name is Napoleon then it is about his story not his god damn military

@@memergas740Napoleon is considered one of the greatest military commanders in history. We don’t need most of the movie showing his love life. Where’s the ACTION?

if they don't take the walls then the defenders can use the walls to attack those coming through the gates, he also sent the extra infantry from behind through the gate, napoleon himself knew it was more important to take the wall than run the gate hence why he charged up the ladders.

@@ringlord555 Napoleon did not know shit, because he wasn't even close to the walls LMAO. He was on the other side of the bay I believe, taking English fort to threaten their ships... which he did and it directly led to Toulon's surrender shortly after. Won't even comment on him not sending "extra infantry from behind"... my man, he was an ARTILERY commander at the time...

@Proph3t3N did you watch the clip? Sorry I'm not a historian of the battle of toulon, but what I saw was him commanding the infantry forward through the gate and then took the wall himself, why would u comment on a video without even watching the video itself.

@@ringlord555 because I'm commenting not on the clip, but on the historical facts. I do not care about this historical abomination. Guess that's where I made a mistake, since you obviously talk about film fantasy fiction, not on real events.

@@Proph3t3N why wouldn't I talk about the film when it is a video about the film.... like wtf are u smoking lol

Not just any horse too

I recently attended a seminar on museum curation, archeology, handling of artifacts, etc. and we were shown how the French and British would use bar shot, normally used for taking out ship's rigging, to take out the legs of cavalry horses in battle.

Why couldn’t you just type that like a normal sentence?

@@ralphurrutia5580 Suckers normality for is. 😎

@@ralphurrutia5580sorry professor X 🤓🤓🤓

@@DetLyons thats…not your comment dude🤨why are you apologizing hehe

That made no sense whatsoever, what are you talking about? 😂😂

His horse died accurately in the movie and u didn’t know that eh? His horse got shot by a round shot loaded cannon under the horse (or the chest)

Uh, not really, it hit the horse in the chest which is under where the rider sits, and the cannonball was coming from on high, and would have been angled downwards. Besides, the shot stuck in the horse, he fished it out after the battle.

Bc It hit the horse in the boney part

Because it was crap !! - Simply cannot believe that when much younger and not so experienced Ridley Scott made The Duellists.

@@wakeupuk3860 The Duellists, great flick.

It really couldn't have been any worse..perhaps one of the worst "historical" movies ever

the movies is absolute trash. 90% of the time all you see is grey over grey in the colour palette, the story is way too compressed, the actions shown are mostly wrong and pure fiction (this scene did NOT happen like that in real life). Also Joaquin is not really that good for the role and does not portrait Napoleon how he really was. A more charasmatic, energetic and calculative man, meanwhile he plays him like a 15 year old edgy emo boy with bipolar disorder.

⁠​⁠​⁠@@WoofyMcDoodlebut every account of Napoleon describes him as a petulant impatient person inclined to rage and conceit. He was portrayed accurately. I have a feeling he was about as charismatic as Donald Trump. A certain kind of fool perceives it as charisma when for any developed human it’s off putting and repulsive.

Tens of millions of horses have died in war, poor animals

Finally, people who agree. I’ve been searching the whole comment section for people who mention the horses death.

There are photos out there during the Civil War of horses that have been taken out and most were killed by artillery.

should have been 3 movies really. There is too much for one film. Everyone knows the story, no reason to hash out each lil piece in detail, BUT they glazed over most OF the story so it could show "the whole story".

Should've been an historically and musically accurate anime lol

Spain and Portugal weren’t even mentioned, nor Scandinavia

@@geronimocochise2033 they only had 3 hours to show 30 years of history.

Shit movie through and through

Sappenpanzer? Huh? Couldn't you see that was Darth Vader?

@@nvelsen1975 NO! It was Dark Helmet engaging into ludicrous speed......

The sapper armor was a real thing used during this era before, and at least up until crimea. It''s one of the few things this film gets right, it was used by the French, Italians, and Poles.

The "knock-off WWI sappenpanzer" you see in the movie did exist. Edouard Detaille's painting of Toulon shows a sapper kitted out in the exact way this movie portrays, with the cuirass and helmet. The costume design was the best thing about this movie. As a uniform & kit enthusiast I can assure you they did an amazing job with the costume design. Shame the rest of the film is mid.

Yeah dude. But I kinda see the message they’re trying to convey, but still, poor horse. ☹️

That scene is so sad.

he nearly did! In real life he was stabbed in the leg at Toulon

The same speculations are made on Hitler.

fr

Ridley Scott never fails with cinematography

no such thing as a British accent

After watching "300" it was believed that King Leonidas was Scottish and 6' 2". In fact he was only 5' 4" and was Puerto Rican in real life.

@thomasvillejeff-yw4st well I thought Willy Wallace was a half drunk Ozzie lol

@@paulmorrison-hs4lw His characters all speak in a Scottish, English, Welsh, or Northern Irish accent. There ya go buddy.

bro the movie is in english for english audiences wtf did you expect?

😂

Questionably unstable ego though.

He probably did went mad by the end, but yeah even Assassin's Creed made a better job at portraying the guy

🐎❌

Well Ridley Scott wanted to insult his legacy in this movie really.

​@@RedZenox well his legacy deserves little more than mockery

@@luisruperez1921 one of the most influential men of all time whose legacy is baked into the literal fabric of civil law codes around the world? Stop drinking the kool-aid and learn the history outside of a crappy Ridley Scott retelling

@@luisruperez1921 Idk man, the institutions he set up in place were kept in place by two monarchy, another Empire, and four republic, and served as inspiration as far as in Japan or South America. The man who introduced the rest of Europe to the ideas of political modernity kinda deserve more than that.

Absolutely and I am no great historian but the four cases of 'black' senior French army officers ruined the whole film for me, as like so much Woke vehicle propaganda films that state such a complete lie, as when he met Wellington at the end that the film was a total farce.

@@wakeupuk3860 There was one black officer in Napoleon's army named Thomas-Alexandre Dumas which I think was supposed to be a wink to that. But such people in Bonie's army were so few if not non-existent. Throwing in a person of color in a French uniform without proper context can break a historical films immersion. Like that Mary Queen of Scots movie

Then you are no fun to drink around

Dang that was bad lol can’t deny that

Yes, wasn't it raining for one thing, not at night? And it didn't all happen in the space of ten minutes but the following afternoon after the fall of the forts? This scene makes it look like some kind of brilliant lighting strike ending with the quick destruction of the British fleet! Plus it doesn't show that Napoleon was bayoneted by a British soldier and could have died. Ridley Scott taking liberties for the sake of entertainment.

Sorry didn’t know you were there and knew exactly what happened John Adams. This is the problem with historical films. Directors try to have fun with it and wanna be historians act like it’s propaganda. It’s a movie bloke.

@@DetLyons ah, I seem to have triggered one of Ridley Scott's staff or family...sorry to hurt your sensitivities.

@@DetLyons No, I only researched the Siege of Toulon in my PhD dissertation on the history of ballistics. What I don’t understand is why directors decline to portray seriously dramatic historical facts, like Bonaparte getting a stabbed with a pike at Toulon.

Yooo, a wild Holdfast fan? Now that’s pretty rare.

They literally said “VIVE LA FRANCE!” In a British accent lol

I heard they went through 12 horses to get the right shot !

To be fair, Napoleon did receive a bayonet wound at the assault of Mulgrave.

Napoleon was only 24 in this battle and only senior gunner and artillery commander of the forces that arrived at Toulon. He just came up with a plan to take a hill that will make the british evacuate the area. He was no major general or leader of anything other than the artillery units at this point.

At least they got historically accurate when Darth Vader gave the okay 1:09 .

He was wounded by a bayonet in the battle

Right!@@SiliconBong

I mean, he did personally lead a charge over the walls of Fort Mulgrave. And even suffered a bayonet wound that came inches from ending his life.

whoa it did, wow, whoa..

That's true, but it didn't happen in this battle. That happened in 1814, when a cannonball hit Napoleon's horse and the horse saved his life. Napoleon also had quite a few dead horses, the reason being that he often passed close to the enemy's artillery range.

not sure since i don't see any canon ball after horse get hit by it

@@xathu-er2zr when the cannon fires i saw it

@@Sahilprakash1999 ok, must be, but should both Napoleon and that horse send fly like 10ft away ?

Unfortunately nosey taught him a bloody good lesson and sent that pesky little frog packing.

how did it serve his country to send his army to freeze to death in russia?

​​@@hrvsmart its russia's fault to deny Napolean not his fault.

@@justiceavenger275 what the fuck are you saying? Make sense

@@hrvsmart Yes , I do .

In reality there was a watch, as you would expect. The movie can't be bothered with that kind of realistic detail.

bro its just a movie, enjoy it for what it is.

@@AP_84 No.

Shore cannons oftentimes had furnaces nearby that were used to hear the roundshot for that very purpose.

@@davidcabreonmunoz6258 ok cry more lol

Its supposed to be a nutshell movie.

😂

Who’s Kevin Fart?

lol

At best, if there was a scene about the Haitian Revolution he could've been an extra with no speaking part.

@@kairos_fluent 😆

I've seen the 10-minute clip of the battle of Austerlitz. I tend to disagree.

In terms of cinematic visuals, definitely. I’m terms of historical accuracy, it was a nightmare.

you're goddamn right

Not in this movie. None of the battle scenes felt big nor epic. It looked like 100 men on screen fighting.

And you can thank America you're French and not German

@@angusmcculloch6653 Indeed, but the French resistance helped a lot too

lol you realise that the vast majority of the troops in Toulon were French royalists right. Of the 20,000 troops in he city when Napoleon and the republicans attacked, only 8000 were British regulars The rest were French militia and royalists. The British only lost 400 men and, upon seeing the guns of the Republicans on the hills overlooking the harbour, seeing that it made the British fleet’s position untenable, they boarded their ships and sailed away in good order. So it was a fight of Frenchmen against Frenchmen. Win or lose, they’d all still be speaking French.

Interesting, so the French population of the city who where mostly Royalists somehow wern't French? you understand Toulon wasn't conquered right? Various nations sent forces to try and keep it free of the Republicans, none of them ever claimed it, it was always french just the opositite side of your own revolution/civil war, they where still Frenchman though.

You're missing a couple films in there but sure

He got what he deserves!

@@UKSCIENCEORG well played bruv