Rise and Fall of Numenor

Rise and Fall of Numenor | Silmarillion

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An excerpt from the Silmarillion written by JRR Tolkien and edited by Christopher Tolkien. Describing the rise and fall of Numenor (Atlantis). Art by Ted Nasmith and narration by Martin Shaw. Most important thing to take away from this story is that migration leads to conflict.
13:20 A case Against Migration.
22:26 Sauron's Rise.
34:38 Ar-Pharazôn summons Sauron.
48:06 Sauron convinces Ar-Pharazôn to attack Heaven.
1:00:01 The fall of Numenor.

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@billthorn1604 3 жыл бұрын

“The love of Arda was set in your hearts by Eru Illuvatar, and He does not plant to no purpose”

@kawekalee9737 2 жыл бұрын

Such beautiful words

@Astroviking_ 2 жыл бұрын

I prefer The Gift of Men, Eru Iluvatar gave the best gift to men such a gift that even Elves became jealous, while Elves are bound to Arda, Men are not bound to it, so when Men die after the end of the World, Men will be with Eru Iluvatar for ever!

@kawekalee9737 2 жыл бұрын

@@Astroviking_ thats the great misunderstanding, Eru has and has always been with men

@Astroviking_ 2 жыл бұрын

@@kawekalee9737 true but I meant closer to him as in a physical way!

@glvbjr Жыл бұрын

@@kawekalee9737 lollol

@peteg475 2 жыл бұрын

I like the thumbnail image you've chosen. Ted Nasmith's image of Minas Tirith here is one of the few that actually follows the book description, where the city is white but the outermost wall is made of the same impregnable black stone used at Orthanc Tower.

@DanIel-fl1vc 2 жыл бұрын

You know your art, I photoshopped out Gandalf riding towards the city and extended the painting for it to fit the aspect ratio. A lot of people wouldn't know that it's Minas Tirith and there are no paintings of Numenor.

@porkflaps4717 2 жыл бұрын

Its an incredible painting

@theradgegadgie6352 2 жыл бұрын

@@DanIel-fl1vc They wouldn't know it's Minas Tirith? Seriously? It's pretty distinctive.

@glenmcintire3106 2 жыл бұрын

@@theradgegadgie6352 is it though? There's a lot of other depictions. This 1 looks more like what I pictured. It wasn't even this good in the movie. Imo

@theradgegadgie6352 2 жыл бұрын

@@glenmcintire3106 A city that looks like a wedding cake with a large keel-shaped hunk of mountain going through it? Yeah, I'd say that was pretty distinctive. Any serious Tolkien fan should recognise it immediately, I'd have thought.

@rickythe2nd63 2 жыл бұрын

No, methinks the greatest takeaway from this cautionary tale is fact that pride goeth before in fall. The self-righteous hubris, presumption and haughtiness of the Numenoreans-turned-colonizers led them to forsake the old path of peace and learning, even the worship of The One, and take up the yoke of unsatiated lust for that which was never designed for them. These truths are self evident no matter where a poeple take up their abode. Majestically written, reverently read! Great recording!

@DanIel-fl1vc 2 жыл бұрын

Yes you are partly right, they did colonize middle earth and became prideful. But that's not ultimately what caused their downfall. They looked at valinor much in the same way middle easterners, south Americans and Africans look at Europe and the US today. Imagined there was something special about the land. Not realizing that it's the people that live there that hallowed it and made it into what it is. They decided to migrate for better economic opportunities and then god sunk their island. If that's not anti migration I don't know what is. But yes, their pride no doubt contributed to what made them set sail in the first place.

@rahilario 2 жыл бұрын

Precisely. Nowhere did Tolkien's message suggest that travel and migration is the root of conflict. It was Melkor Morgoth and his seeds of evil. Thank you also for mentioning the DOWNFALL of Numenor. Can't speak of their glory without speaking of their colonizing Middle-earth and their tyranny. For example, the descendants of Haleth's people (Dunlendings) were terrorized by the Numenoreans. They deserved better from their former allies and kin.

@andrewprice8820 2 жыл бұрын

@@DanIel-fl1vc I don’t think immigrants look at something special at the land itself here...and there’s nothing “hallowed” about the land of the west irl. That doesn’t make any sense. And this is surely not an anti-migrant story, especially considering since that’s what the exiles of the Faithful of Numenor are...

@guardiansoulblade2673 2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewprice8820 No, it's not anti-immigrant, it's anti-pride, they all became prideful and thought they could flout the rules the Valar had set for them.

@RoninDave 2 жыл бұрын

@@DanIel-fl1vc anti-migration? Don't know where you get that from. It's about pride and ingratitude. The Numenoreans were given long life spans and a beautiful island but over time they wanted more and were not happy with their gifts. Their pride coupled with their fear of death is what led them down this dark path. They misunderstood what Valinor was. They thought it was a place that granted immortality to any who lived or visited there like the Eldar. They wanted the ability to visit Valinor to gain immortality but also maintain a presence of power in Middle Earth

@pizzadohpaz 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for uploading this! The "full" audiobook on KZfaq stops right around where this one begins for some reason...

@robertpadfield1895 3 жыл бұрын

Because this isn’t the Silmarillion, it has nothing to do with the silmarils but was included in the book as an extra tale because it followed on from the account of the silmarils. The Silmarillion had a definite ending when the jewels found their long homes. This is the account of numenor and its fall. Hope that helps

@pizzadohpaz 3 жыл бұрын

@@robertpadfield1895 I mean, I get that, but it is in the book so it still surprised me that it wasn't included in the audiobook

@robertpadfield1895 3 жыл бұрын

@@pizzadohpaz a Tolkien purist who was looking for a reason to slice it down to a mere 12 hours?, a bit like cutting the appendices out of the lord of the rings, I was a little disappointed too but also quite like being able to jump straight in at numenor I think someone should do a complete audiobook of Tolkien from start to finish, all in order and including all the appendices, but I’m just glad it’s all out there and on the whole, not riddled with ads

@pizzadohpaz 3 жыл бұрын

@@robertpadfield1895 now that would be something to behold! A week-long audiobook!

@kahekilimaui450 2 жыл бұрын

@@pizzadohpaz That would be an astoundingly awesome audio! Though, At the speed of recitation, in full performance mode as this is, I think it may well be a great deal longer than a week from start to finish. 😉👍

@potita24 Жыл бұрын

Imagine a real good movie about this with Eonwe among the edain

@davidhimmelfahrt3732 Жыл бұрын

Epic

@keithbperrin9633 Жыл бұрын

My favorite story in all the silmarillion....sauron's cunning and deception was epic! He destroyed numunor from within ...the decay that that became of them is unbelievable....

@DanIel-fl1vc Жыл бұрын

Epic, you're some kind of satanist? Tom Bombadil could easily slap Sauron around. When Sauron decided to kneel before Eonwe the banner bearer and beg for mercy after the war of wrath only to flee in fear when told he had to answer to the Valar in the ring of doom. That was way more epic. The evil are cowardly and weak, as true in fiction as it is in reality. Their only hope of victory is to prey on the gullible. But when that game's over and the war of wrath comes...

@keithbperrin9633 Жыл бұрын

@@DanIel-fl1vc you heard me EPIC!!! Epic storytelling....lol I cant help it u think its real 🤪

@DanIel-fl1vc Жыл бұрын

@@keithbperrin9633 All fiction reflects reality.

@keithbperrin9633 Жыл бұрын

@@DanIel-fl1vc that's your opinion

@DanIel-fl1vc Жыл бұрын

@@keithbperrin9633 Of course fiction reflects reality, it reflects the reality of the person that wrote it. If you think Sauron is way more epic, that reflects your reality and says a lot about you as a person and what kind of fiction book you would be writing. (Satanism) But I'm jumping to conclusions you're probably just a guy wowed by how cool it seems. Maybe you're 12 or an adult 12 year old, those do exist. ;)

@paulgalligan1916 Жыл бұрын

Splendid 👏

@BossAttack Жыл бұрын

I can safely say that if I were a Numenorean while Sauron was there, I would've 100% fell for his manipulations. Dude was just spitting straight logic that fed on the inner desires of all men, the desire to live forever.

@davidhimmelfahrt3732 Жыл бұрын

You probably do in real life too. But I am not sure, if you are aware of the fact, that there are forces in the world such as Sauron, that really exist and effect the destiny of mankind.

@dinmavric5504 Жыл бұрын

But it's not so much about Sauron. It is that Sauron had the One Ring with him while he was there.

@stevenburriss6804 3 жыл бұрын

Love it

@LifeofHum 4 ай бұрын

Beautiful ❤

@someguy4405 2 жыл бұрын

“God not real.” -Sauron, whilst wearing a fedora

@js1817 Жыл бұрын

Ach, the state of humour nowadays!

@nastynick7425 Жыл бұрын

Morgoth wept

@ernesto.carloz Жыл бұрын

genius comment. love it

@nickster_xd8937 11 ай бұрын

In the edition I’m reading, this starts at the bottom of page 310. Hope this helps anyone else.

@metafisicacibernetica 2 жыл бұрын

THANKZ SIR!

@sit-insforsithis1568 3 жыл бұрын

I love númenor ! Great vid

@kawekalee9737 2 жыл бұрын

I love the entire story but Idve been on one of the ships of The Faithful....

@robertmeadows7242 Жыл бұрын

Numenor was great. A great screw up of what great men could have been. It represents our vanity and mortality. Something that I guarantee you and I both contend with. It was intended for greatness but descended into something worse than any orc could ever imagine. You should not love Numenor.

@robertmeadows7242 Жыл бұрын

@@kawekalee9737 I hope so.

@alanpettus9627 3 жыл бұрын

Sounds amazing

@silentservant_ 3 ай бұрын

It hurts to know how evil can be so depraved. Hope is in the return of our King. King Jesus

@paulgalligan1916 Жыл бұрын

Of which now all is told

@handsomefatboy 2 жыл бұрын

This would make a great movie

@hydradominatus3641 2 жыл бұрын

Well... they are making a series of this... which I dread.

@handsomefatboy 2 жыл бұрын

@@hydradominatus3641 oh no!! Really? I’m already worried about the up coming animated movie “The War of Rohirrim” and I’m dreading they’re going to make Helm Hammerhand completely out of character lol.

@willwill3364 2 жыл бұрын

Disney's gonna butcher it.

@hydradominatus3641 2 жыл бұрын

@@willwill3364 it's not made by Disney and regardless every studio has a habit of butchering IP these days.

@willwill3364 2 жыл бұрын

@@hydradominatus3641 Aye.

@spacejunk2186 2 жыл бұрын

I find it super interesting that this tale, which was clearly written after the Island was sunk, refers to the Numenorians as "Kings among Men." Why would it describe the people who were, according to this text, opposed to the evil Numenor and wiser with such an authoritative title? Were the Elf friends maybe not so clear of the 'evil' Imperial and 'we are better than anyone else' mindset that brought the doom to the Island as they liked to believe? It says Amadil and Ar-Pharazon were friends at first, and all things hint that they grew close during the "numerous wars" in Middle earth. Or was the true meaning lost through the translation from Quenya to Westron to English? It's also funny that this text refers to Valinor as a realm that was untouched by evil. We know that this is not true at all.

@robertmeadows7242 Жыл бұрын

Brr de der drrrr

@robertmeadows7242 Жыл бұрын

You seem like the type of person who farts in the bathtub and eats the bubble. You scratch at shit and chews your fingernails. What the sweet damn are you getting at here? I e already gouged my eyes out after reading this and am purely typing out of muscle memory...fuck.

@prinssi-kanava5441 Жыл бұрын

If you are a human, but live for three centuries, are terribly wise and as strong as ten men put together and all that was given to you bi literal angels to honour your ancestors wars against Satan, pretty sure they son't really deserve the title, they are the Kings of Men.

@muttleyjones2 Жыл бұрын

@@robertmeadows7242 I know right! Do you think he drives a Prius, lmao.

@lalalisa7501 2 жыл бұрын

please create the The book of lost tale 1 and 2 pleaseeee

@DanIel-fl1vc 2 жыл бұрын

You can listen to them here: archive.org/details/TBOLT1-Audio/01.mp3 goldenaudiobooks.com/j-r-r-tolkien-book-lost-tales-p2-audiobook/

@elagabalusrex390 Жыл бұрын

Why is Minas Tirith on the cover pic for a video about Numenor? Minas Tirith wasn't even founded until after Numenor was destroyed. Very misleading.

@tombelt9011 2 жыл бұрын

Could I get a precise source for this? Thanks.

@DanIel-fl1vc 2 жыл бұрын

The page would differ depending on the format of the book. But it's right after the war of wrath when they're given the island.

@tombelt9011 2 жыл бұрын

@@DanIel-fl1vc Akallabeth, then, a few pages in. Thanks.

@robertmeadows7242 Жыл бұрын

*turns off your life support*

@travtuck7646 Жыл бұрын

Robert Meadows as an avid troll myself I marvel at your tom-foolery. Well done!

@josephjagusah8668 Жыл бұрын

Just for reference, I bridge this is the Akalabeth, not the silmarillion per se but a story contained in the published silmarillion, like the Ainulindale/Valaquenta.

@potita24 2 жыл бұрын

Where is the previous part?

@DanIel-fl1vc 2 жыл бұрын

This is an excerpt from the Silmarillion, not the entire book. The entire book is here: www.amazon.com/The-Silmarillion-J-R-R-Tolkien-audiobook/dp/B016N9U37Q

@potita24 2 жыл бұрын

@@DanIel-fl1vc: thanks!

@robertmeadows7242 Жыл бұрын

The previous part is you shutting the fuck up ... Previously I mean.