Rise of the City: How the great god Marduk built the city of Babylon

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Penn Museum

Penn Museum

6 жыл бұрын

Dr. Steve Tinney, Associate Curator, Babylonian Section, Penn Museum.
The great Babylonian myth “When on high …”, often called the Babylonian Epic of Creation, traces the history of Babylon from the very beginning of time itself. Swallowing many other ancient Mesopotamian myths it presents a single story of how Marduk became king of the gods by killing the Sea, and founded Babylon as the center of the universe. As it does so, it reveals much about ancient Mesopotamian cosmos and that most important of institutions, the city.

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@anleverlfixedlmark
@anleverlfixedlmark Жыл бұрын
Gold. This man makes excellent use of pedagogical resources. Pure gold.
@redveinborneo4673
@redveinborneo4673 Жыл бұрын
Nobody uses the word "pedagogical". It's a nothing word when you're talking about a professor giving a lecture.
@KellyBell1
@KellyBell1 7 ай бұрын
I’m just 17 min into this lecture and I have already learned more than I ever have anywhere else. Love this! I hope there are more lectures on other Rulers, Kings, Gods, Deities and cities etc. Thank You for posting this!!! 😊
@patrickneary8446
@patrickneary8446 6 жыл бұрын
Great q and a at the end. Very interesting subject.
@brokehiselbows
@brokehiselbows 5 жыл бұрын
Very nice presentation. Not too dry, as so many lectures are, and very informative. Thank you for posting this!
@charlespotts4949
@charlespotts4949 2 жыл бұрын
Wow I can listen to this guy talk for hours. Great voice and amazing grip on language.
@comeuphither5302
@comeuphither5302 5 жыл бұрын
very good lecture...intriguing and informative...thank you for sharing your great research
@raccoonresidence9086
@raccoonresidence9086 5 жыл бұрын
Marmaduke built his city on rock and role!
@odoggow8157
@odoggow8157 Жыл бұрын
@jennamassey4137 🤣 U funny
@tobystewart4403
@tobystewart4403 5 жыл бұрын
"We are nearly certain..." says this gentleman of his translation of one single block of cuneiform. Dr Tinney is surely entitled to be more arrogant, if he wanted to. He has done a huge amount of work. But, he doesn't want to. He is content to be "nearly" certain. This basic humility is hugely reassuring, as it suggests that the mind doing the enquiring is yet open. It doesn't know everything, and seeks to understand new things. By contrast, have a look at the state of modern physics, or even social "sciences". In these fields, we are presented with abstract ideas built on abstract ideas, yet they are presented as absolute truth and fact.
@decimalexercise7154
@decimalexercise7154 5 жыл бұрын
I am surprised no one is shouting you down here. Good comment and really summarizes quite nicely all that is wrong with modern scholars and the orthodoxy. I enjoyed this speaker. Cheers
@oldmanfromscenetwentyfour8164
@oldmanfromscenetwentyfour8164 5 жыл бұрын
Nice how armchair-keyboard experts make claims and statements without credentials or proofs to any comment they make.
@user-ch7wn5fk8d
@user-ch7wn5fk8d 5 жыл бұрын
well said,Sir
@jerrymartinez902
@jerrymartinez902 4 жыл бұрын
Just like democratic process it would like feed the American public
@blueovertoneeagle8158
@blueovertoneeagle8158 3 жыл бұрын
17:10 I would like to agree with you but when he calls the the gap in literature as strange and then recites the communication about a grain shipment it becomes evident that the gap is related to a regional conflict which isnt strange at all...so it seems to me that at times his humility is actually being used as a mask to withhold information. He says things like they (his colleagues) are trying to make sense of xyz...and it tends to be when what he is speaking on appear to have obvious parallels to the Meso American myths and those scholars do the same thing when they talk about the stories.. they will not or cannot bring themselves to point out the obvious
@VDocumentaries
@VDocumentaries 5 жыл бұрын
Great research
@allangardiner2515
@allangardiner2515 4 жыл бұрын
A wonderful example of scholarly communication to a respectful lay audience.
@doogelyjim8627
@doogelyjim8627 Жыл бұрын
ah wow this is so good. his answers at the end were so interesting too. thank you penn museum!
@larissafranks3817
@larissafranks3817 Жыл бұрын
I'm am so happy to learn what you know. I'm looking forward to learning more. Thanks 😊
@ryantruesdell4846
@ryantruesdell4846 3 жыл бұрын
35:38 Marduk is wearing The Tablets of Destiny. Thank you for all the great information.
@endor8witch
@endor8witch 3 жыл бұрын
it's not. his wife made him wear his grocery list cause he kept forgetting the milk. every. single. time.
@enkisonofanu2301
@enkisonofanu2301 4 жыл бұрын
I have watched this video several times and each time I do I learn something new. Thank you very much for taking the time to do it.
@rahkeemthegreat360
@rahkeemthegreat360 6 жыл бұрын
Great lecture
@yacolinque5796
@yacolinque5796 2 жыл бұрын
The Penn Museum lectures/presentations are an unfailing joy. So many lectures--even those from respectible sources--are hard sloggging because speakers fall back on "temporizations" such as "uh", "um", ya know", "sorta", "kinda" and "eck-setera" (ECT.).
@veronica_._._._
@veronica_._._._ Жыл бұрын
Etcetera Etc.
@AntiQris
@AntiQris Жыл бұрын
I got called out by a professor once for that and it almost hurt my feelers but I know that I adapted the use of ummm as a method of foregoing a stuttering issue that plagued my childhood. Funny because the other day I randomly stumbled upon the meaning of “umm” in the linguistic study. It’s kinda rad because it’s rather regal to do and I accidentally do it. I also found that the republic era Roman hierarchy had stuttering issues and I’m related to them. Made me feel better about that issue that causes so many of the smarter folks in my life cause for concern.
@D4Disdain
@D4Disdain Жыл бұрын
Add to that, Okay? like there's no dispute or agree with me. So annoying. The same goes for many people that end the phrase with; right? So cringe!
@FlockofAngels
@FlockofAngels 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation, lots of great info!
@dancenickyjeppe
@dancenickyjeppe 3 жыл бұрын
Great job
@open2626
@open2626 2 жыл бұрын
Marduk is an interesting character! It feels to me, like he took the older texts and changed them to make him the hero. I say this because Enki and Enlil seemed to be here (on Earth) for thousands of years according to the tablets. And they are often mentioned in Sumerian stories! Yet, Marduk is the son of Enki and is explaining how he basically started the formation of Earth by destroying Tiamat (probably millions of years before Sumer was even founded, let alone the formation of the Earth lol) and in the next moment, he talks about creating Babylon (which came well after Sumer)! Things that make you go hmmm?!
@jasonbishop5345
@jasonbishop5345 2 жыл бұрын
Almost like YHWH and Jesus :-)
@moodist1er
@moodist1er 2 жыл бұрын
Poorly plagiarized, all of it.
@paulpaygan
@paulpaygan 2 жыл бұрын
@@jasonbishop5345 and if you go back to the earliest archaic Sumerian circa 26-2700BC, it feels to me that Enllil did exactly the same thing that Marduk did to him to An/Anu. There is a common thread but this lecture doesn't explore the earliest roots.
@veronica_._._._
@veronica_._._._ Жыл бұрын
@acedudeism All that way to live in a mud house with bilharzia, so humble.
@leepaul6630
@leepaul6630 Жыл бұрын
You are 100% correct. Not content to simply rule after he had waited so impatiently through the previous age, Marduk had all previous histories rewritten to make himself the premier God, when his time finally came around.
@DK640OBrianYT
@DK640OBrianYT 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely amazing lecture. Love them from from second one. I better go find the one he's referring to in the beginning. It's incredibly exciting. I hope to live long enough to see the day when the connections to the people who lived in Sahara when it was green for thousands of years and who fled out when drought became the day of order because of natural climate change. One tends to think that some of them fled towards the east and founded Egypt, presumably all caused by the 5.9 kiloyear event. For Green Sahara, look for African Humid Period or Neolithic Subpluvial. Don't leave out archelology at Lake Chad who coexisted during this period and has produced remarkable finds. Some of the more severe chages were caused by a gigantic outflow of 0 degree Celsius cold melting water into the Atlantic ocean from the massive Northern Anerican icesheet covering large parts of Canada and northern USA during the Iceage, lowering the temperatures and changing weather patterns Go look for the 8.2, 5.9 and 4.2 kiloyear event. For a presumed reason of the Flood Myth behind the Biblical Noa and the Ark, all are convinced it was rewritten from the Epic of Gilgamesh and the only place where I have seen my own thoughts dublicated by random is the excellent and spectacular video of "8 The Sumerians -Fall of the first Cities" by the channel Fall of Civilizations... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mpicfbiA25bMfHU.html ...where previous dry agricultural land in the Persian Gulf, were flooded at the Hormuz Strait by the Arabian Sea when the sea levels rose 125-140 meters from the melting of the glacial ice. One day the water came flushing in. Unstoppable. This event some 8-10000 years ago would have left in impact in songs and dances and echoed through generations as it was tradition. This must be the roots behind the flood myth in that area (others could be present in the Indus Valley civilization...haven't researched it yet) Got carried away.....he he....
@Sinsteel
@Sinsteel 3 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile, in Nippur, Enlil and Ninurta are like "Umm...nope."
@plopdoo339
@plopdoo339 2 жыл бұрын
*drops bomb*
@Bellazme
@Bellazme 3 жыл бұрын
In the Farsi language we are still using many of these words. Sumarian language is the closest to farsi today and to Sanskrit . When I read Sumarian it is like hearing the origin of my own language farsi.. I often use the Sanskrit dictionary to double check these words.Like the word An still means the heavens..but some words have been replaced by Aramaic.
@mikesul5471
@mikesul5471 3 жыл бұрын
Don't say you are farsi this is shameful.
@mattr9497
@mattr9497 3 жыл бұрын
@@mikesul5471 what? he said he speaks Farsi.
@odoggow8157
@odoggow8157 Жыл бұрын
Most of us struggle with our first language you ppl that can speak and write many and perfectly blows my tiny mind
@odoggow8157
@odoggow8157 Жыл бұрын
@@mikesul5471 fuk up
@jeffatwood9417
@jeffatwood9417 11 ай бұрын
This is fascinating, thank you.I wish I could have a conversation with Dr. Tinney. I share his obsession with cosmogonic myths. I would love to know more about Dingir, having some ideas myself, but the contraction must have meaning. The literal meaning of Marduk is logic much like Chinese ideograms. The continuity is also a fascination of mine as well since I focus on how cosmogony provides the paradigm for a healing logic. I also have a fascination with Anzu and Ninurta, being the agricultural, hunting and healing god. I see myths as metaphorical memories for medical alchemy. Take Thor fishing for Jormungandr, for example. It matches Chinese medicine ideology and Kundalini practices of "raising kundalini." The liver is Wood (the dugout boat), Thunder lives in the Wood, and Thor is an angry god who seldom sits still around injustice (anger is stored in liver, and liver heat makes jumpy nervousness). There are mythological comparisons from India to Iceland concerning Etana, with the Jiroft finds showing how a myth can travel across cultures when the wisdom behind the imagery can be deciphered. Medical wisdom and history is hidden in myths.
@johnhenryruminski8662
@johnhenryruminski8662 2 жыл бұрын
TRUTH IS TRUTH !!!! REALITY IS REALITY !!!! A LIE IS DARK AND THE TRUTH IS LIGHT !!!! LIVE IN THE LIGHT !!!! 👆❤🙏❤☝🐦 !!!! TY JOHN !!!!
@odoggow8157
@odoggow8157 Жыл бұрын
Can clearly see u are a truth and reality denyer
@yvonnesmith6152
@yvonnesmith6152 Жыл бұрын
These city-states were infinitely warring with each other. Most have different patron deities. When one city-state gets taken over, their patron deity gets taken out of their Temple and brought to the victor. The ongoing war against each other is reflected in the battles of the Gods. The extreme anxiety these people must’ve been exposed to on a daily basis is incredible. Real fear of failed harvest and starvation….which happened quite frequently. The fear that war, destruction and slavery will come and visit them again, must’ve been equally horrible. The only thing these people had was to hang on to these “imaginary protectors” and the only way they could take control over these fears was to sacrifice and exalt their patron gods. You see far less “infighting” in the Egyptian pantheon, because once the Kingdoms were united, no one was going to mess with them (bring war, destruction, etc) So, Egyptians were far more concerned with fertility, weather, rains. Poor Sumerians/Mesopotamians, their pantheon really is just reflective of their chaotic lives.
@tobystewart4403
@tobystewart4403 5 жыл бұрын
The last question is fascinating. A lady asks whether the jewish culture informed the culture of Babylon, during the captivity after the fall of the temple of Solomon. She wants to know if there was a reciprocal exchange between these two cultures, whether the jewish informed the Babylonian, as well as visa versa. Dr Tinney walks a tightrope with his answer. He is very careful not to point out that jewish culture claims to originate from Abraham, who was from Ur (!) of the Chaldides, nor that the mythology of the jewish culture was taught to them in Babylonian texts that were more than a thousand years old at the time. Judaism is such a fascinating faith. Whereas the christian accepts the miracles of Christ as such, and discounts all that went before as mere celestial negligence, the jew seeks to retain the deeper meaning of ritual. As such, the jewish faith faces an inherent crisis of legitimacy. Are they, in essence, merely re-branding Sumerian mythology? If so, what do they bring, of singular cultural character, to the evolution of theology? This is not to condemn jews in any way. All people must be free to worship as they think best, else worship has no meaning or value. Furthermore, perhaps there is merit in the claim that Judaism keeps alive the oldest set of myth and traditions, and that their documented chain of association with the earliest Sumerian myth gives weight to their theology. In any case, if Judaism is ultimately proved to be insufficient for our collective understanding of ourselves, one suspects that it is would be a team of jews who proves it to the satisfaction of everyone else.
@floris.927
@floris.927 5 жыл бұрын
@Toby Stewart But the change to monotheism/monolatrism, with the concept of a omnipotent God, must have brought completely different religious philosophies, even if there are textual and ritual similarities?
@sophitsa79
@sophitsa79 5 жыл бұрын
@@floris.927 hadn't the Zoroastrians already gotten there - monotheism?
@floris.927
@floris.927 5 жыл бұрын
@@sophitsa79 But not all monotheism share the same philosophy. And anyway, the way and the intensity Jewish God interacted with human is very different. I'm not sure if that's truely an innovation or diffused from somewhere else, but it seemed not to be shared in earlier religions.
@vincentgatekeeper1421
@vincentgatekeeper1421 5 жыл бұрын
Look, I'll be the truthful bad guy. I've been saying it for years now, the "Jews" stole almost every ancient story, myth, factual tablets, and history from the ancients and rewrote that history as theirs. Removing and replacing names, gods, etc. with their own! Sumerian tablets were calculated at 30,000 years BEFORE any Jewish movement turned religion came around. If one reads the sumerian tablets, all the "Torah and Bible" stories are already there! And some of not most of those stories/documented history the Sumer wrote about happened before them! Even ancient wall carvings on the pyramids discuss the same stories! So, sorry to bust anybody's bubble, but Jews just are good story tellers that's it. They hold no real truth.
@floris.927
@floris.927 5 жыл бұрын
@@vincentgatekeeper1421 Eh… I’m not sure how to respond but you REALLY didn’t bust any bubble. (1) Civilizations dated back at most 10,000 years ago (Neolithic Revolution), so the “30,000 years” number is impossible. (2) Sharing similar tales and gods is a prevalent trait among these early traditions. Romans did that with Greek gods and Greeks with Egyptian gods. They simply assume all are the same set of gods, but worshiped under different names. It’s called diffusion. What I was talking about is that, while Judaism shared many elements with older traditions, such as emphasis on religious rituals and protocols (unlike early Christianity), they placed much more emphasis on morality and piety. Suddenly there is this God telling people what can and cannot be done, and restricting access to himself to only a few chosen ones. These traits seem not to be in earlier traditions. If they were not diffused from elsewhere, they must be innovations.
@cubaindy6700
@cubaindy6700 2 жыл бұрын
I'll never forget you, Marduk!
@odoggow8157
@odoggow8157 Жыл бұрын
U do know all ancient Kings where worse than serial killers
@divulgedspirit
@divulgedspirit Жыл бұрын
​@OnMeds u don't pay attention do you
@divulgedspirit
@divulgedspirit Жыл бұрын
@OnMeds not handicapped on meds. And yes I take my time before speaking. If u ever read any ancient texts u wouldn't have to ask anything seriously or rhetorical. Dont be triggered. Have some dignity and logic
@divulgedspirit
@divulgedspirit Жыл бұрын
@OnMeds do u understand metaphorical value? Guess not cause you don't seem to be a English native. He's alluding to the fact that kings deal with many lives and many lives are lost on every choice they make. Do I send the soliders here or there? These ppl die if they don't go here both ppl die if he sends too few soldiers to both places for defense because the enemy then outnumbers. Even good intentioned kings unintentionally kill more people than a serial killer
@catherinehogue3656
@catherinehogue3656 6 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the lectures and the drawings, artifacts but is there a reason why the camera does not focus more than 5 secondes so we can like the audience have a full screen experience ? The camera show only half of the screen, we dont need to see the audience, the blank space on each side, it is unfortunate that we cant immerse ourselves in the beauty, details of the writing and colors and have the narrator comments at the same time. Thank you Penn Museum for taking the time to have these lecture on line but camera shots are too far.
@wonderfullycreated7883
@wonderfullycreated7883 3 жыл бұрын
Why must people ALWAYS find something to complain about!?? It is what it is! Make the best of it...be GRATEFUL for being able to have the opportunity to see and hear what you have!
@maxsonthonax1020
@maxsonthonax1020 3 жыл бұрын
😎
@twangshanty9559
@twangshanty9559 2 жыл бұрын
"If you can Dan Brown it, go for it." Nice shot at the mason in the audience trying to apply relevancy to his masonic leanings from an ancient cuneiform tablet. Well done Dr. Tinney.
@infowarscouk
@infowarscouk 3 жыл бұрын
It's has been my dream to interpret the cuniform writings. I've been studying these especially the characters interesting deep and will jiggle with history to where some needs rewriting
@moodist1er
@moodist1er 2 жыл бұрын
You have to speak like half a dozen ancient dead languages and modern Semitic languages if you're studying cuneiform..
@AntiQris
@AntiQris Жыл бұрын
Actually you only have be passionate to read them. To get your hands on them tho… you’ll have to sign a contract agreeing to only read things about foreign gods and brown people sacrificing babies from the tablets. Or use wiktionary..
@KeinsingtonCisco
@KeinsingtonCisco 5 жыл бұрын
top notch lecture lugaldimmerankia
@Eabatu
@Eabatu 4 жыл бұрын
Has there been more insight into the Kassite influence into the construction of the myth within the Enuma Elish? Specifically the later tablets (6 and 7) concerning the 50 names.
@Bellazme
@Bellazme 3 жыл бұрын
The kassites are rarely spoken of most of the time. I very much hope there will be something left of them after all these bombings. Would love to know more about them.
@glenobrien894
@glenobrien894 3 жыл бұрын
The Book of 50 is not part of the Enuma Elish also known as the The Epic of Creation . not to many people know about the Book of 50
@enkisonofanu2301
@enkisonofanu2301 6 жыл бұрын
Good stuff. It would have been even better if he would have elucidated more regarding the power struggle between the Babylonians and the Sumerian and how that is reflected in making up these myths.
@rayjohnson8029
@rayjohnson8029 4 жыл бұрын
Sumer came first so not much of a battle
@sohara....
@sohara.... 3 жыл бұрын
Power struggle --- how much is known? if anything 😣🙃🤗🤔😁 *
@carlboucher2643
@carlboucher2643 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this informative lecture!! It explains everything let the rest of the 8 billion 999 million human beings on the planet did not understand!!
@odoggow8157
@odoggow8157 Жыл бұрын
Maby cuz they think like u!
@Sinsteel
@Sinsteel 3 жыл бұрын
Kassites were probably Indo-Iranian, or partly. On the Kassite drawing of the Marduk stele you can note at the bottom of his robe three horses, very similar to Celtic designs actually.
@odoggow8157
@odoggow8157 Жыл бұрын
U humans always looking for patterns and links
@TheTorakka
@TheTorakka 2 жыл бұрын
Odd to find out even these old symbols still match perfectly by meaning and pronounciation to my mothers language still today. ^^ Only few I found but still it is awesome :)
@AntiQris
@AntiQris Жыл бұрын
Which language?
@AntiQris
@AntiQris Жыл бұрын
@OnMeds I’m not understanding if this is question? I believe that Hebrew and Arabic are brothers. The Hebrew developed when one brother is exiled for the purpose of their abilities performing a great number of tasks for the worlds master at that time of exile. Then once reintroduced the same skills were used to create the multiplicity of nuance that is involved today in what we call both Hebrew and Arabic. With respects to the cultures of both of course. أنا لا أفهم إذا كان هذا هو السؤال؟ أعتقد أن العبرية والعربية أخوة. تطورت اللغة العبرية عندما يتم نفي أحد الأخين لغرض أداء قدراتهم لعدد كبير من المهام لسيد العالم في ذلك الوقت من المنفى. ثم مرة أخرى ، تم استخدام نفس المهارات لإنشاء تعدد الفوارق الدقيقة التي ينطوي عليها اليوم ما نسميه كل من العبرية والعربية. فيما يتعلق بالثقافات على حد سواء بالطبع. אני לא מבין אם זו השאלה? אני חושב שעברית וערבית הם אחים. השפה העברית התפתחה כאשר אחד משני האחים הוגלה במטרה לבצע את יכולותיהם למספר רב של משימות עבור אדון העולם בזמן הגלות. שוב, נעשה שימוש באותם כישורים כדי ליצור את ריבוי הניואנסים הכרוכים היום במה שאנו מכנים עברית וערבית כאחד. לגבי שתי התרבויות כמובן.
@terrayjos
@terrayjos 6 жыл бұрын
i wish I could see more (closer) of the what was being presented instead of the speaker and the whole stage.
@jamesoneill3922
@jamesoneill3922 4 жыл бұрын
It’s a lecture. The point is to listen.
@maxsonthonax1020
@maxsonthonax1020 3 жыл бұрын
😎
@Shyeena
@Shyeena 3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesoneill3922 then why did he use pictures and point at them? Maybe because some lectures include what's known as PRESENTATION OF SOURCE DOCUMENTS? If he wanted us to just LISTEN, why bring pictures? Because they important!
@jamesoneill3922
@jamesoneill3922 3 жыл бұрын
@@Shyeena Looks like you don't listen to anything.
@_John_P
@_John_P 3 жыл бұрын
It's possible to pause the video and examine the pictures in detail when they're shown fullscreen.
@larissafranks3817
@larissafranks3817 Жыл бұрын
I live in Luxor Egypt half the year. I want to k oe more about the whole world . Every one has something important to say. . Grateful that the Roman's didn't destroy or anhilate. These fabulous discovers.
@ytgadfly
@ytgadfly 5 жыл бұрын
upenn I have to thank you for having videos on the real history and mythology of mesopotamia. KZfaq is overwhelmed with garbage "documentaries" on mesopotamia based on that crackpot Sitchen. Its nice to see something that feeds the mind and doesnt pollute it.
@onitpaul1
@onitpaul1 5 жыл бұрын
Funny how that crackpot Sitchen is on here KZfaq in an interview with a top NASA astrophysicist and both SITCHEN and the Good professor have matching orbits for NIBIRU which isn't due for about another thousand years. Their year called a SAR is three thousand six hundred of our years. Follow the many versions of the king's list. Sitchen mastered over 50 languages let's see You accomplish a fraction of what the great man did. You will eventually find that You will regret not being more respectful to the late Mr Sitchen.
@plopdoo339
@plopdoo339 2 жыл бұрын
Mike Brown would beg to differ
@ytgadfly
@ytgadfly 2 жыл бұрын
@@onitpaul1 NASA as an org has debunked Niburu! Right here kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z7p5rJClmZ7ZhWQ.html . Also the consensus of ancient linguists all disagree with Sitchen's "interpretations". He is not an expert at anything other than fooling people who dont want to actually look at the facts and would rather believe in some fantasy instead. Did you even bother to check out NASAs view on Sitchen and Niburu before name dropping them? Or have you bothered to see what other linguists have to say about his interpretations? How can one be an expert in ancient languages when the rest the field disagrees with what you claim?
@danielkellyuk
@danielkellyuk 5 жыл бұрын
"I don't think we're putting this part online" whoops.
@mandys1505
@mandys1505 3 жыл бұрын
At 22:00 , yeah! I want to greet others with this nose hand signal, too!
@sohara....
@sohara.... 3 жыл бұрын
First nine minutes: 6:00 three cities (important to talk) Lagash / Geersu Nippur Babylon _____________________ Artefact shown: * document in stone, 2,800 BC, with "figure au plume", have (used to kill enemies!) It is earliest example of literary text --- hymn to (a particular) god. Written in Sumerian. He's translating it ... some of the words .... _________________________________
@cocobrown709
@cocobrown709 4 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised no what made any comments about the Mase! I found that part interesting.
@charlesjurgus
@charlesjurgus 4 жыл бұрын
It is interesting, but why did you find it so? I think it was in one of the iterations of The Golden Bough, that it is said... the man in charge is the one who can bludgeon someone to death and get away with it.
@fredgillespie5855
@fredgillespie5855 4 жыл бұрын
@@charlesjurgus - We have one in the UK parliament and that is what it represents - the power of The Crown.
@charlesjurgus
@charlesjurgus 4 жыл бұрын
@@fredgillespie5855 Not really. I am fairly sure the crown doesn't "tell" the parliament wht to do. I only respond because we have the same misconception about the power of government in the US. People think that all power resides in one place... it doesn't. It is more like a cacophony of children screaming for attention. Some are much louder than others and strong enough to force their interests on others. There is no single person or cabal which determines the fate of everyone. The most common source of societal impetus likely derives from common, harmonic, idiocies... which various groups and individuals nurture and exploit, rather than conjure or create.
@fredgillespie5855
@fredgillespie5855 4 жыл бұрын
@@charlesjurgus - From what I remember the US Constitution was devised with the UK Constitution in mind. In the US you have three countervailing powers, The President, the House of Representatives and the Senate and the HofR and Senate are not necessarily partisan. Then there is the Supreme Court that can ensure all legislation conforms to the Constitution. The UK is different. Here the largest Party forms the government and regardless of the opposition it can enact whatever laws it pleases - unless the members of the ruling Party join with the opposition and vote against their own Government. Even if that happens, at worse it will result in a motion of no confidence where the rebels will inevitably vote against the motion. Our House of Lords can only amend or delay legislation and the government can disregard them if it so desires. As a result, as a former Lord Chancellor said - "We have an elected dictatorship." History - In the 1660s we had a couple of civil wars, the issue was the power of the King. Traditionally the King had ruled with the consent of his Barons, but this had expanded to include a wider section of society. The King claimed the Divine Right to rule without parliament and he lost his head as a result. Eventually all the dust settled and a constitution was drawn up whereby "The King in Parliament" was the sovereign power in the land. ie. the King couldn't enact any laws without the consent of parliament - and that is where the Mace comes in, it represents that absolute power that parliament has to enact whatever laws it pleases. Not long after the new constitution came into being the situation was reversed and parliament ruled with the consent of the Crown - the ruling monarch being no more than a rubber stamp who, if they refused to "rubber stamp" legislation, would create a constitutional crisis. So in the UK the Mace does represent that absolute power. In recent years we have been given a Supreme Court and there complaints can be heard if legislation is claimed to infringe individual rights or constitutional restraints on the government. So the absolute sovereignty has been diluted a little. BUT, there is nothing to prevent the Government from abolishing the Supreme Court.
@charlesjurgus
@charlesjurgus 4 жыл бұрын
@@fredgillespie5855 You are using the term "absolute power" hyperbolically in defence of your previous statement. Power of veto, or assent (?), may grant sweeping power, but it is not "absolute." There is a big difference. All of human history is a story of negotiation to share/take power and survive, or not. In the system you described, legislation is still public knowledge and elected officials still play a part... There is still a mutual check on power by these devices alone. In places such as post-Soviet Russia... as in Soviet Russia... you merely have power capabilities who've secured their relative turfs and negotiate between one another according to their own interests... not guided by law or in the interest of the given communities directly effected by those power-capabilities or the decisions they make. Dissent within in such communities is stifled because the good graces of these power-capabilities is doled-out according to compliance or complicity with the given power-capability. Effectively freezing dissent out of the equation to a degree that confounds law. In a term... in such a system, people have been reduce to a "means to an end" entirely. I shouldn't have to say this at all, but no man (or woman) is, or should be treated as a means to an end, but as an end in and of themselves. While this value is under constant assault... under "absolute power"... it is a foreign concept. Absolute power is the very societal expression of the lack of this value. The culture of the Brits still recognizes this value despite the worst influence of the US and the casual, yet belligerent, ambitions of Russia
@gaminawulfsdottir3253
@gaminawulfsdottir3253 4 жыл бұрын
Begins at 1:50.
@hamzaibnraed
@hamzaibnraed 3 жыл бұрын
This is in the Quran from 1400 years ago SubhanAllah
@hassanabdikarimmohamed2505
@hassanabdikarimmohamed2505 3 жыл бұрын
What is ?
@hamzaibnraed
@hamzaibnraed 3 жыл бұрын
@@hassanabdikarimmohamed2505 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/graAf7eQ172lnmg.html
@danielpaulson8838
@danielpaulson8838 Жыл бұрын
They were really developing both the creation as well as the monomyth. Marduk is the called who destroys our earlier self.
@loud865
@loud865 Жыл бұрын
You can go to websites that translate what each stab means in any language you want to convert it to so u can translate the cuneiform yourself you dont have to take anyone elses word for it you can learn the same way these guys learn amazingly what u find out is that most of them all say exactly what the translations are in English
@PopGoesTheology
@PopGoesTheology 2 жыл бұрын
Highlights: Combat mythology 19:53 Revolt by demon & Ninurta's victory and act of creation.
@rafaeljuniorsierra-9708
@rafaeljuniorsierra-9708 Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much. You found part of a puzzle that can now be explained. While the mesopotamian city of Babylon was built by Marduk! The Biblical city of BABEL built by the NIMROD people's is still undiscovered in SHINAR (INDIA 4300-4202BC). SO THERE, NOW WE HAVE THAT CONFIRMATION. - Hesperios
@spotlightfaithgroup1875
@spotlightfaithgroup1875 11 ай бұрын
I believe Nimrod is linked to my tribe of Yoruba, since my mom told me they came from India before settling in southern Nigeria.
@duantorruellas716
@duantorruellas716 5 жыл бұрын
The waters above the firmament and the waters below , as in the bible . I would assume the flood myths that are the oldest are Probably the source , even though there was alot of exchange between the cultures In this close proximity. Great presentation.
@whois_geez6309
@whois_geez6309 4 жыл бұрын
One big thing that ppl are neglecting is the in the old days the flood and the story behind it was GENERAL KNOWLEDGE Abraham native land is Ur and lived at the end that Empire so when that man left for God calling him he passed on the flood knowledge by word of mouth untill Moses wrote it down. Boom
@donnasprague767
@donnasprague767 3 жыл бұрын
@@whois_geez6309 yea, its not a matter of close proximity, it is the same people. Abram simply moved.
@moodist1er
@moodist1er 2 жыл бұрын
@@whois_geez6309 Abraham wasn't because he's said to exist way before Judaism was invented. And Moses story is poorly plagiarized from Akhenaten the Egyptian's and Sargon the Akkadian's stories.
@open2626
@open2626 2 жыл бұрын
Wait what? Around 1:06:13, toward the end of the lecture, he says "Marduk is associated with Jupiter, Nabu with Zeus"?! Uh, I understand that he works for the university and can't make any claims of his on on these works but it's a home run that Zeus/Jupiter (Greek/Roman- same god) are Enlil (god of the wind/lord of sky/command). Marduk has also heavily been associated with Ra in Egypt. If we're talking "association", these are pretty dead on!
@carlboucher2643
@carlboucher2643 3 жыл бұрын
Hey;; Penn museum let's take a look at the crown jewels of great Britain!!! Were these artifacts brought to the penn museum before or after shock and awe??
@wardygrub
@wardygrub 4 жыл бұрын
The camera people clearly had the ability to show us viewers the close-ups of info on the screen. So WHY only show us for a few seconds? Very frustrating. Spoilt it for me. Could have been great viewing.
@estrellagalactica8321
@estrellagalactica8321 4 жыл бұрын
Manda Grub take a picture
@kidu9618
@kidu9618 6 жыл бұрын
La figure aux plumes is an incredible artefact. The dimensions of the plaque are astonishing : 18 x 16 x 4 centimeters. Three measures in perfect round figures in centimeters in the third millenium BC ! This is striking and deserves a revision of our way to write our own history nowadays ! To recognize that in early Sumer (and I think even before) they had a clear conscience of sphericity of the Earth and they had elaborated different measures related to the Earth "waist" is taboo. Thank you very much Mr Tinney for your lectures.
@wangchung8105
@wangchung8105 3 жыл бұрын
...wonderful knowledge, thank you! Hammur-abi is Hamur Abif🐰🌈
@ErosAnteros
@ErosAnteros 6 жыл бұрын
It is fascinating. I agree that there is no surprise that there is common material with the Hebrew scriptures; but I find it more surprising that the classical archetype of the storm god killing the water serpent is very VERY prominent in Indo-European mythologies. I would have passed this off as middle-eastern sharing in historical times, but the existence of these myths in Indic, Celtic and Germanic mythologies makes me wonder; Who came up with it first? Is it a semitic myth or an indo-european one? Did a semitic myth travel through Europe and Central Asia with agriculture, domestic cattle, some technology or with later historical diffusion, or did the myth enter the Akkadian corpus with exposure to Anatolian or Iranian indo-europeans?
@seanloer1928
@seanloer1928 5 жыл бұрын
All myth is based on something that actually happened. Our so-called "mythologies" are basically history.
@simple8mind8
@simple8mind8 5 жыл бұрын
@Nic Forster The stories that are common all around the world such as Leviathan, the flood, and Babel. If we look deeper we see that each different people groups telling of the story differs slightly. This is because before the tower of Babel the world spoke one language. And this language was not like language we have today it was more complete the the languages we have today. This old language is hard to comprehend today because that part of the our brain has gone dormant. But this old language wasn't just a way of communicating it actually was a library of history within itself. They had no reason to write it down because everyone knew it, and the language itself was the way history was recorded. It held the collective knowledge, and history of mankind it was the language Adam spoke. From the time of Adam to the Babel event there was only one language with no division there weren't different versions of it. However when Babel occurred this language was no longer accessible, or that part of our brain went dormant.(by the way God promises I the Bible to restore this language) But it was a different way of communicating than today. Though we lost our old way of communicating. We did not lose our memory of what came before we only lost our ability to communicate it. The city, and tower being built were abandoned because God destroyed the tower with cosmic Thunderbolts. Also a storm came that was mighty like a hurricane over land without the water. This storm drove the people's in different directions over the face of the Earth. Before this event there were no different races just family branches. No black, and no white. This massive storm is what enabled people to cross the ocean to their new home. But not like you might imagine.. For example this storm was so powerful that along the coast of Africa there were reeds growing in abundance. This storm uprooted them, and threw them into the sea. This created a large mat of floating reeds. The people couldn't see in front of them, and they had no option but to go where the storm drove them. It was too powerful to go against so the people were driven off the coast on to these massive floating mats of reeds. The people held on for dear life as the mats were driven across the ocean by wind not waves. You can see the scars of this event over Africa today in the sands of Africa. But the people arrived on the shores of south america this way. But that's just one example other people groups were driven in other directions like across the old land bridge of the Mediterranean. Once all the people were driven to their new homes all over the earth by this storm.. Then the people began to develop their languages in the new areas, and after this storm a new celestial object appeared. Besides the sun, and moon there was another celestial object that not only gave light, but radiation. You can see this third celestial object in various cultures stone carvings like Sumeria. It's usually depicted beside the sun, and moon but instead of having equal Ray's going all directions like the sun. This object instead gave light in four directions, and radiation in four directions marked by wavy lines instead of straight beams. This radiation affected the whole earth changing different people's groups dna depending on where they came to settle. This was God creating the different races once he had separated them from Babel. This radiation passed through our bodies like cosmic Ray's changing our dna. But when this radiation went through certain types of stones it vibrated the minerals in the rock by radiation to the point where they began to dissolute becoming radicals. The remnants of this event is still found in rock today like granite having radiation. What many don't know is this radiation is also in basalt, diorite, and limestone, and etc. This radiation is described in the Bible as "The mountains melting like wax before the flame in the presence of the Lord of Hosts. It took some time once this new celestial body left our solar system for the rock to harden again. During this period of some 500 years or more God not only scattered us, and gave us our new identities as different races.. But he also made sure we would stay in our new home because the people could build their new home in stone. As the rock solidified so did our new identities. Now the reason we find the same stories told by people all over the world though they are separated by oceans. Is because before we all knew these stories in the one language. But when the people were divided into 72 people groups each developing their new language. Then that old story now has to be told 72 different ways. When these stories were recorded after Babel the languages were still being constructed. It was hard for people to communicate in the beginning they used pictures to convey ideas rather than having letters like the languages today. So with these imperfect languages the one story we all used to know came to have 72 versions. We can still find the original story this is how... I'll answer in my next comment.
@simple8mind8
@simple8mind8 5 жыл бұрын
@Nic Forster All over the world every one of the most ancient people groups have mythologies that are eerily similar to other people on the opposite side of the world. How is this so? To call it mere coincidence when it's on such a large scale is laughable if not down right insulting to common sense. But we find remnants of all the major biblical stories such as Leviathan, and Babel, and the flood. Now before the Babel event we all knew these stories in one language before we were spread abroad while we were were all in one place. Which by the way I believe was Africa. The tower I believe was in North East Africa one of the reasons I believe this is because if you have that many people in one place you have to be able to feed them. And Africa is the only place that has ancient agricultural terraces everywhere scientists now think it was enough farm area to feed 6 billion people if fully operational. But back to the story a common theme among mythos from around the world is that the tower was destroyed by massive thunder bolts the likes humanity had never seen. By the way that's a hint about the thunder that if you use it to look for the tower you can find the tower in North East africa. But it wasn't just Thunderbolts also there was a unworldly storm that had winds like a hurricane. The storm was so powerful that the scars of this storm are still visible on the landscape today. This storm drove people in different directions being driven on far distances by the fierce storm. The people of South America came to their continent by mats made out of reeds they were driven off the edge of the African continent where the wind had blown coastal reeds into the water making large Reed mats. They clung on for dear life eventually being swept by the wind riding on Reed mats onto the shores of South America. Other people were driven over the land bridge that used to connect to the other side of the Mediterranean. Others were driven west into the Levant, and even further west. Now before when they had one language they all knew stories in this one language like the flood story, and the tale of God clubbing Leviathan smashing one of his heads. Also using his, or sometimes her body to divide heaven from earth. Or the story of Babel the ancient Homeland. These stories previously known in the one language now was told in 72 different languages, thus making 72 different versions. The likelihood that any of them would be able to recount the story perfectly in a new language after the Babel event is wishful thinking. They had to relate the same information, but now in a new language thus making a new version of the story. You can take any common story found in ancient mythos such as the flood for example. And if you look at all the stories together finding which people groups agree about one part of the the story, and which don't. So let's say four people groups stories agree with eachother, but two people groups myths disagree with the majority each saying something unique. Well then in that case you would go with the majority, or that the ones that stand alone are probably wrong. So if you do this with any of the common myths from around the world finding, and keeping similarities while discarding discrepancies.. Then you essentially end up with the biblical telling of the story. Take Leviathan for example which was known as a serpent, and or dragon he was connected with the raging sea. And was likely a celestial body, or something flying in the heavens when he was defeated by God.. The stories say that the seas stopped raging, and we're calm. So he was equated with a sea monster who by his thrashing caused the sea to rage.. In the mythologies ancient people groups called him by different names such as Tiamat for the Sumerians, jorgmungandr for the Norse, Typhon for the Greeks, apep for the Egyptians, vritra for Hindus, sussanoo for the Japanese, illuyanka for the hittite, and so on. The aboriginies of Australia called him rainbow serpent, and canannites called him lotan which is phonetically similar to Leviathan. But in these stories the characters names might change from language to language as shown above. And sometimes the way in which they describe what happened can differ, but be the same in the gist of what happens.. Here's an example some ancient people group might say the King of the God's smashed the serpents head with a club. While another people group telling the same story would say he used a mace, or a sword. Or one people group might say this god shot arrows at this god while another people might call them sling stones, or Spears. The details can differ, but usually the gist of the story stays the same with small deviations cropping up as discrepancies. But as I said before if you look at all of them together then if there is a discrepancy it's usually the minority who holds that view while the majority will agree. When we see this phenomenon in ancient mythologies from around the world the only plausible explanation is that at one time in the past we all knew the story, but somehow we're seperated. When the Babel event happened, and we lost our one language then we had to tell the same story in 72 new ways. Each with a language that was being developed from scratch this is how confusion got added to the stories so that they differ slightly, but remain cohesive in format.
@simple8mind8
@simple8mind8 5 жыл бұрын
Many people don't know what Gobekli Tepe is, and archaeologists wonder how could people have built this during a time when people should have been caveman. But while most of the human race at that time were indeed not so civilized.. There were a few who were that is Noah, and his wife, and their sons. They carried knowledge of many things from the previous epoch before the flood. Noah new how to build, and grow food, and he knew about all the animals, and plants.. Now in the dead sea scrolls they found the Genesis apocryphon which expands upon certain biblical stories. One such story is that Noah some time after leaving the ark, and beginning to populate the earth. After he had planted a vineyard, and made wine. He then made an altar unto the Lord, and sacrificed from the animals that were multiplying. He sacrificed many animals then he called his wife, his sons, and daughters to a great feast to honor the Lord. This is when God appears to those at the altar, and speaks to Noah in the sight of all. He is pleased with Noah's sacrifice, and vows to never again destroy the earth completely with a flood. He then shows the rainbow, and tells Noah it is a sign of the covenant made with him that day. This event is recorded in many mythologies with the rainbow featuring prominently in association with Noah his wife, and sons. And the people believed Noah, and his sons to be like god's because of how long they lived. And that Noah, and his sons were given a gift from God. That the fear of them (Noah, and his wife, and sons) would be over every animal of the earth, but this gift was given to them alone. In many rock carvings this is depicted by showing Noah, and his sons surrounded by ferocious animals that seem tame around them like pets. Now Noah, and his sons lived for so long because they were born before the flood not after. God ordained that after the flood people who were born would not live as long. Noah preached to the generation of the flood warning them the flood was coming, and to join him. He preached this message for 120 years so after the flood this is how long God gives man to live from now on a 120 years time limit. Noah lived for near a thousand years about 400 years before the flood, and about 600 after the flood. His sons Shem, ham, and japheth lived around 600 years about long enough to bury Noah their father before dying themselves. But the people disobeyed Noah, and God by building Babel as they were supposed to be fruitful multiplying over the whole earth. In fact at Gobekli Tepe is where God divided the earth among Noah's sons. But after they disobeyed, and we're scattered at Babel Noah helped them in their new homes. But Noah had to visit each people separately some by boat crossing the sea they all record this happening in their myths. Noah gave them the keys to start their civilization quite literally. Noah didn't only save the animals he also saved the seeds of the parent plants of the old world. But in the old world man had corrupted all the earth by mixing plants, and animals. Noah took all the uncorrupted animals or genetically pure animals. He also took the origin/genetically pure plants that hadn't been mixed, and corrupted. In the new world he taught his sons how to breed plants properly, and over the years each people group developed their crops from these mother plants. For example in south America the three sisters corn, beans, and squash all came from a single plant Noah gave his son. Itzamna learned from Noah how to breed plants such as maize to make the three sisters. Now this happened all over the earth he taught the people how to breed food crops, and grow on large scales. He taught them everything we see from back then that seems to have came from nowhere suddenly. In every ancient people groups mythos you can find stories about Noah, and his sons. They usually are venerated as God's especially by later generations. Noah also taught them about God, but after he died the people went astray, and even before for some people groups. It's all in the myths of different peoples it can be hard to decipher at first, but once you see it then it becomes clear.. Anyone who wants to delve deep into these things is welcome to email me at simple8mind8@gmail.com what I've already said is only the tip of the iceberg. Those so called "hand bags" seen in every ancient people's rock carvings were seeds from Noah they were highly prized. Some bags held seeds, and others held pollen or genetics from other flowering plants. In Sumerian rock carvings they actually depict carefully pollinating flowers, and selective breeding. They learned this from Noah, and they also learned animal husbandry. The animals that were on the ark were parent animals genetically pure, and within those animals were amazing genetic diversity potential. I'll put it this way.. All the thousands of breeds of dogs we have today came from a pair of wolves. Dogs are different than wild animals however being that man has spent more time with selective breeding on dogs than most animals. The same thing happens in nature just not as fast as humans forcing repetitive cross breeding. But the point is you can take wolves, and over time by selective breeding make poodles which don't have much potential genetic diversity anymore. A poodle has lost a lot of genetic information compared to what the wolves had originally. What I mean is this you can turn wolves into a poodle by breeding. But you CANNOT turn a poodle back into wolves by breeding that information has been lost to breeding. But the point is the ark didn't hold all the animals we see today it held their parents who had endless genetic possibilities their code was long. So imagine it like this a wolves genetic code is a billion pages long, but a poodles is only a million. Anyway I'm getting off topic haha hope folks have enjoyed my rambling. I know I sound thoroughly crazy by the way, but I assure you it took years of study to discover these things. I am however ready to be ridiculed for it as per usual..
@rayjohnson8029
@rayjohnson8029 4 жыл бұрын
India as they are the Vedic Elders moron. Judaism is a young religion compared to it. Hell, Aryan = Iran = India..Yeah, white folks come from Indians. Real Indians not Native American s🤔
@ezriderspewstruth8867
@ezriderspewstruth8867 2 жыл бұрын
The Bible explains this better w/o twisting the narrative of Gods for there is only one true god
@codyoshram1709
@codyoshram1709 3 жыл бұрын
I met marduk and traveled on his vimana with him and his royal army. He was truly a graceful God and a savior to millions.
@ParadiseLordRyu
@ParadiseLordRyu 2 жыл бұрын
How?
@stephencopley2196
@stephencopley2196 2 жыл бұрын
I know it sounds crazy but Marduk sounds alot to me like Thor theres so many similarities in there life stories
@aharsn6854
@aharsn6854 Жыл бұрын
Same person he was here for thousands of years...name was changed alot of times.....
@AntiQris
@AntiQris Жыл бұрын
Duke of the march. March is the outskirts of town. Ver sacra is a ritual where the sons had to migrate out of the city of the father in the spring of their 21st year. You are correct I think.
@divulgedspirit
@divulgedspirit Жыл бұрын
Yeah. Indra from vedic text also destroyed a water dragon
@predictivesolutionsltd9662
@predictivesolutionsltd9662 5 ай бұрын
When he says "myth", he does not mean fiction. This is historical fact.
@gkelly9448
@gkelly9448 6 жыл бұрын
Amazingly interesting. Could Ninurta be Nimrod?
@decimalexercise7154
@decimalexercise7154 5 жыл бұрын
I suspect so and that all gods on earth throughout the ages refer to the same beings, only named differently across the earth by different peoples. It seems evident “they” came here, bred and successive generations spread across the earth. The more I learn, the more this seems likely.
@whois_geez6309
@whois_geez6309 4 жыл бұрын
Naw i think marduk is actually
@drsamkfelix
@drsamkfelix 2 жыл бұрын
@@whois_geez6309 yeah
@Gracenglory5
@Gracenglory5 Жыл бұрын
Marduk is Nimrod. Or, Nimrod became known as Marduk. (Marduk/Semiramis/Tammuz= Osiris/Ishtar or Isis/Horus…etc)
@9hawklord
@9hawklord Жыл бұрын
Religion is a great concept meant to differentiate between that we can fathom and that on high that we cannot, so life can be lived.
@brunosirigado
@brunosirigado 8 ай бұрын
It seems that, before the native north American arrived in North America, the people from mesopotamia already had the facion, using feathers as ornaments.
@johnrohde5510
@johnrohde5510 2 жыл бұрын
The answer to the question as to whether the stories were believed literally, is interesting in relation to Christian ideas of transubstantiation.
@braggsean1026
@braggsean1026 2 жыл бұрын
that's purely middle age catholic teaching... please don't confuse beliefs, religion is far too complex
@johnrohde5510
@johnrohde5510 2 жыл бұрын
@@braggsean1026 it's actually current Catholic teaching but thanks for putting me straight on the complexity thing.
@braggsean1026
@braggsean1026 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnrohde5510 Obviously I meant it was invented in the middles ages... don't argue with a Lutheran on history
@johnrohde5510
@johnrohde5510 2 жыл бұрын
@@braggsean1026 sectarianism aside, here's St Augustine: "Not all bread, but only that which receives the blessing of Christ becomes the body of Christ.").
@braggsean1026
@braggsean1026 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnrohde5510 That is literally the kind of talk that scared the pagans away in the first century... "They eat their god?"
@gruboniell4189
@gruboniell4189 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like the invasion of Egypt by the Hyksos
@keiferalford7961
@keiferalford7961 3 жыл бұрын
When it really kicks you is when you realize that the "Amo" means gods people..then it hits you...Amorite. lol
@gruboniell4189
@gruboniell4189 3 жыл бұрын
@@keiferalford7961 but back then ether were called ammuru, heqa-swut, apiru. The word Ammorite is modern translation. The god for them was Ahn or aya or Anu
@james12erby43
@james12erby43 6 жыл бұрын
Why does real history continually get the myth tag?
@KevinFreist
@KevinFreist 5 жыл бұрын
because thats how they keep people from believing they have a chance in hell of confronting these evil pigs.
@garygnu4629
@garygnu4629 5 жыл бұрын
Myth does not is not necessarily synonymous with an untruth, it is more of a literary technique. Myth usually contains truths, but have been embellished and mixed with poetic metaphors.
@FINEDENTIST
@FINEDENTIST 5 жыл бұрын
James Erby In some situations explaining the Truth is too difficult and complicated, with many questions being left unanswerable, unless you were present.
@charlesjurgus
@charlesjurgus 4 жыл бұрын
Do you believe anything the Lugash tells you?!
@RUMPLEforeskin25
@RUMPLEforeskin25 4 жыл бұрын
Jews run the show.
@UnixStudios
@UnixStudios Жыл бұрын
Liked and subbd
@UrbanPovertist
@UrbanPovertist Жыл бұрын
So they know. But very skeptical
@wkrapek
@wkrapek 4 жыл бұрын
The Israelites baffled me. They spoke a Semitic language yet they acted like Hittites. Then I was reminded in Ezekiel 16:1-6 that they're a Hittite-Amorite hybrid. I've looked at their Hittite side in a lot of my videos, now Dr. Tinney has inspired my Amorite investigation. Because of this video I now know it was people related to the Patriarchs who launched Babylon as a great power. Thus we can assume that -- since they massively upgraded the Epic of Gilgamesh -- the Jews didn't get the story of the creation of Adam from Babylon at all. It was already part of their cultural heritage; and the Amorites used it to upgrade Enkidu's story. They also made him into Gilgamesh's lover. Just as David and Jonathan were lovers. Once again, we're looking at Amorites. Also: the discussion here of Marduk and henotheism is interesting. Because YHWH is also a storm god who came to rule his Divine Council. And like Marduk he came later. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob worshiped the sky father El. This, in turn, gives an interesting twist to Deuteronomy 32:8-9: "When the Most High (Elyon) apportioned the nations, when he divided humankind, he fixed the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the gods; YHWH’s own portion was his people, Jacob his allotted share." Jacob and Hammurabi were contemporaries. Obviously all of this seriously corrodes the foundation of the Documentary Hypothesis; which revolves around different names for one deity when in fact we're looking at two different gods. Ultimately the Israelite expression was -- not henotheism -- but dualism. The "two YHWHs" ideology we see in Second Temple Judaism. Which in Christianity comes out as Father and Son. If you've seen one you've seen the other. This is confirmed by the fact that Jesus often acted... like a storm god. Including -- I would say ESPECIALLY -- the walking on water.
@davidnoone3254
@davidnoone3254 4 жыл бұрын
Modern Jews hide the Dna of the Hebrews from us
@danetteperez3863
@danetteperez3863 3 жыл бұрын
By what perverted mind would you state that David and Jonathan were lovers? Reminds me of the scriptures;one in particular: “ In all their wisdom, they became fools”.
@mrcreative6020
@mrcreative6020 3 жыл бұрын
you call them myths , but is there historical truths in their accounts of events?
@flowerenki9818
@flowerenki9818 Жыл бұрын
❤️
@Bellazme
@Bellazme 3 жыл бұрын
The word Mard in farsi today means Man..We still use the word Mardak but not Marduk...Mardak means 'Hey you man..or a unruly man..and many other connotations.
@_John_P
@_John_P 3 жыл бұрын
Is there a flood story in Farsi?
@carlboucher2643
@carlboucher2643 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah okay 2000 years from now this guy's ancestor finds a video tape of The Jetsons!! And she is pretty sure that George and Jane travel from another planet! They had a daughter named Judy and a boy named Elroy.. and they had a pet named Astro..?? Because we have cartoon drawings in a laser pointer!! And we've been studying this for 40 years!! George obviously worked for spacly sprockets..all of this has been well documented and stored underground at our museum!!!and if you don't believe me just ask the guy who drew these cartoon pictures!!! He is also stored underground in our museum!!
@rnichilo
@rnichilo 5 жыл бұрын
Many thanks Penn Museum for sharing objective research on the topic of our insanely beautiful human past! Non-Academic Internet Citizens like myself often wonder, "who crafted the ancient megaliths?", "who erected these ziggurats, pagan temples and pyramids?". The answer, in my opinion is.......WE DID! In my ever changing assessment; The fittest nomads of the first cultures on planet earth almost certainly, narrowly escaped many disasters and cataclysms that could have made "Us" an impossibility. these unpredictable events seem to have resulted in a fragmented species with amnesia. Largely unable to remember their greatness in the time before their river side cities were flooded or the sky was turned black from volcanos or meteor impacts decimated their surroundings or their garden village turned to desert....and they had to travel far from home in order to survive. - remember the ancestors -
@geoffreystuttle8080
@geoffreystuttle8080 4 жыл бұрын
..and I suppose that you believe everything Graham Hancock says?
@JoseChavez-kq1ic
@JoseChavez-kq1ic Жыл бұрын
The ancient Americans founded ancient Babylon also known as Ur of the Chaldeans. The name Ur comes from the Uri people of pre-columbian Americas who migrated from Mexico to India and from there spread to the middle east. This is found in the hidden history of mankind. URIPAN was the ancient name of Europe which these ancient immigrants named the lands, the name deformed to EUROPE,EUROPA, from URIPAN. This happened by the use of different vowels in ancient URIPAN. The ancient Peruvians named Waris taught the Etruscans how to build. I can provide bibliography if wanted.
@salihoutasawwuf665
@salihoutasawwuf665 9 ай бұрын
Yes, please provide references. I sense that the Americas were populated by the Igigi whom took themselves wives following after Marduk. Due to their forbidden acts, Enlil cast Marduk and the Igigi westward to the Americas where with Enki's assistance founded the Great Atlantis civilization while simultaneously aiding Ningishzida with founding pre-dynastic Kemet.
@Mr.McCarthyism
@Mr.McCarthyism Жыл бұрын
What happened to the gods and the sons of gods. There talked about all over the planet since the 1st civilization. Then they disappear during the Egyptian time period starting around Ahkunatan.
@MelissaBrownapt215
@MelissaBrownapt215 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fascinating. The more I see of these lectures, the more confident I am that bible writers copied aspects of these stories and reconfigured them for a new audience - one unfamiliar with these ancient writings. Hearing mention of the power of words (making the cosmos come and go), instantly recalls that Jesus is called "the word" and seen as the means by which god called things into existence in Genesis. The earth, the sky, the waters, everything - except in the earliest writings these are personified or anthropomorphized. In the re-imagined Hebrew scriptures, they are not, which is why Christians don't connect the two. Without knowing the significance of those earlier gods, the connection is lost.
@theloner6063
@theloner6063 2 жыл бұрын
Read The Lost Book of Enki
@rhondasampsel2806
@rhondasampsel2806 Жыл бұрын
G5g
@AntiQris
@AntiQris Жыл бұрын
Anyone studying the connection between the Inca and the EN.SI or the royal/government head title he mentions around 56: on the first question of the Q&A. I think I’ve made a match up id love to discuss with someone other than my ducks
@darylallen2485
@darylallen2485 3 жыл бұрын
56:55 - Jokes on you buddy!
@averagejoe469
@averagejoe469 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder how many people can see how much Marduk resembles Lucifer.
@theloner6063
@theloner6063 3 жыл бұрын
@@jellyfishi_ There´s no "angel"...they are Anunnakis...higher beings from another planet. Ancient minds took things that came from "heavens" (space) like "gods", "angels"....
@ParadiseLordRyu
@ParadiseLordRyu 2 жыл бұрын
All just retcons to discredit the old way
@Leviakerman-kg4vh
@Leviakerman-kg4vh Жыл бұрын
No marduk is Zeus both rascals of lightning power's
@loveislamvictoryequality7629
@loveislamvictoryequality7629 4 жыл бұрын
Enki and Enlil built that city
@Cuffachick13
@Cuffachick13 3 жыл бұрын
Thats what i said
@codyoshram1709
@codyoshram1709 3 жыл бұрын
I lived in that city for 2 years. It was a time traveling vimana that diffused war across time and distance
@easymoney4ever
@easymoney4ever 4 жыл бұрын
I think this is story of our solar system. They told the story as a battle, but it was an explanation of celestial chaos, where out of chaos, the vanquished tiamat became earth. It does seem like Marduk's remaking of the history of many things after the Anunnaki left earth to him. marduk made himself nibiru in his version of history. When nibiru passed, it's moon kingu slammed into tiamat shattering it, the new body Ki (earth) ended up with kingu as it's moon. Babylonian texts and those texts based on babylonian texts are not reliable.
@_John_P
@_John_P 3 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oseTh5BevtO6Z4k.html
@blueovertoneeagle8158
@blueovertoneeagle8158 3 жыл бұрын
Did he say mace or maise
@infowarscouk
@infowarscouk 3 жыл бұрын
The tale of apsi and tiamat are metaphors for planets, kingu is the moon who once shadowed tiamat, she was watery apsu was referenced as the sun marduk was the destructive planet after passing anu, tiamat collided with marduk causing tiamat to split, her pieces make up asteroid belt and we are a 'chip off the old block' tiamat although watery was liquid gold veins, hence so much gold here, so much to this to add...
@nibiruresearch
@nibiruresearch 2 жыл бұрын
Ancient history is fascinating. The Enuma Elish is without any doubt an important document for the history of mankind. But it is not a real description of factual events. At first, we must skip super natural powers. And deities cannot control planets. In my opinion, it describes the collision of two planets. The planet Nibiru and the planet Tiamat. After the collision the remains of Tiamat are mentioned planet Earth. That planet Nibiru has a symbol that we find on many cylinder seals. An eight beamed star, mostly with a clear nucleus in the centre. The planet Earth has a moon crescent as symbol. The planet Nibiru is inhabited and those inhabitants came to the earth. They are the gods, far superior to the primitive humans. Because of the collision the planet Earth was no longer completely covered with water. There was land, mountains, rivers and lakes with sweet water. The problem is that planet Nibiru still crosses the ecliptic plane from the planets around our sun every few thousand years, because its orbit around our sun is eccentric. Depending on the distance to the ever moving planets, it causes havoc on at least the planets Mars and the Earth. On our planet this havoc is best known as Noah's Flood. And that crossing is the cause that civilizations emerge and vanish in a fixed schedule. To learn more about recurring floods. the cycle of civilizations and its timeline, ancient high-tech and alien deities, read the e-book: "what I know about Nibiru". You can read it nicely on every computer, tablet or smartphone. Just search for: know nibiru The book shows many pictures, some very well known but many unknown yet.
@carlboucher2643
@carlboucher2643 3 жыл бұрын
Time 4 minutes.. this video was posted 3 years ago and this guy is working in ancient Iraq??
@johnmatthews723
@johnmatthews723 5 жыл бұрын
You heard the good Doctor, during the question time, The great god Marduk is still alive!
@OGDooshbagg
@OGDooshbagg 5 жыл бұрын
I wondered the same thing after reading multiple books by Zechariah Sitchin. The story says that Marduk kicked all the other "gods" out, but it doesn't say that he left and there has not been a record of his death found as of yet.
@decimalexercise7154
@decimalexercise7154 5 жыл бұрын
Really begs to question what was he called AFTER that time period. This entity probably has gone by many different names across many cultures. Where is he hiding today.
@anthonyspaghetti112
@anthonyspaghetti112 5 жыл бұрын
@@OGDooshbagg i have heard that the council eventually had enough of the mardukite re-write of the ancient traditions and i believe Marduk was actually arrested or seized and imprisoned in some chamber in of one of the pyramids for a length of time. he loses the self appointed Divine indicative 'U' (MardukU) and some of his authority but no mention of his death
@charlesjurgus
@charlesjurgus 4 жыл бұрын
@@decimalexercise7154 ...All the gods die... it is only their legacies of brutality which live on.
@decimalexercise7154
@decimalexercise7154 4 жыл бұрын
charles jurgus If we are talking about real life physical beings then we know next to nothing about their lifespan nor their progeny so they very well could be still out there.
@taimildyas1126
@taimildyas1126 3 жыл бұрын
i love the choice to gloss over what they cant explain instead of piecing a theory of what they know or at least showing & explaing what they think the individual pieces might mean, you know? science smh
@mayflowerfilm1980
@mayflowerfilm1980 4 жыл бұрын
Dear editor, very, VERY annoying you just flash the pictures in for a second. Can't have a look on it and it's gone again.
@malcommooney8086
@malcommooney8086 3 жыл бұрын
Pause it and quit bi tching
@mariastella4768
@mariastella4768 4 жыл бұрын
Enlil the devil confused everyone purposely , he wanted all power for himself and his offsprings.. Marduk was not son of Shamash he was son of Enki and Damkina ..
@maikmost8589
@maikmost8589 4 жыл бұрын
I just ignore the first sentence, it makes my head hurt. But Mardunk is seen as derived from amar-Utu ("bull calf of the sun god Utu"). So the origin of his name may reflect an earlier genealogy, or have had cultural ties to the ancient city of Sippar. Thats also what the tablet Dr Tinney refers to says. oracc.museum.upenn.edu/amgg/listofdeities/marduk/
@depp0000000000
@depp0000000000 4 жыл бұрын
Of coryse it makes your head hurt. Truth often does to those who wish not to face it
@dannylyon_oilpainter7516
@dannylyon_oilpainter7516 3 жыл бұрын
Idiot
@ParadiseLordRyu
@ParadiseLordRyu 2 жыл бұрын
First part is nowhere near true. Your deity just took things tacked on from prior ones.
@braggsean1026
@braggsean1026 2 жыл бұрын
Marduk is real and Christ told us we get to judge him and his friends at the end of time
@sbfcapnj
@sbfcapnj 2 жыл бұрын
So...Marduk = Bel = Baal = Jupiter. Got it.
@theloner6063
@theloner6063 2 жыл бұрын
Jupiter=Kishar. Read The Lost Book of Enki
@andrascsiki1597
@andrascsiki1597 2 жыл бұрын
I don't say that your transmission is wrong but sometimes the sky people mentioning a name isn't necessarily referring to a person. It could be a person a place a group of people or a whole nation. Like in the case of Tiamat. It's referring to the water planet Tiamat what was destroyed in the stelar war. They know that the Eath and Venus going to be affected and the outcome going to be catastrophic for Earth to, things where made up like God will destroy Earth because bad people etc. Than there is the name Anshar. Anshar is an advanced inner earthly race/civilization (believe or not, check whit the military) and I believe sometimes was referred to the leader or to the race. It isn't enough to translate a scriptures wort to word, there is more to it that to be accurate. About the illuminati symbols. None of the symbols they have are they own. All of them was stolen/copied from the Babylonians, Hindus or Egyptians. No one symbol is owned by the illuminati cabal, none.
@MaliciousMatt888
@MaliciousMatt888 3 жыл бұрын
So Marduk was responsible for its development but god or another anunnanki maybe Enki didn't like the corrupted culture and behavior of Babylon had it destroyed.
@TheKellprice
@TheKellprice 3 жыл бұрын
The flood
@glenobrien894
@glenobrien894 3 жыл бұрын
Marduk is the oldest Born son of Enki
@Cuffachick13
@Cuffachick13 3 жыл бұрын
@@glenobrien894 ?
@glenobrien894
@glenobrien894 3 жыл бұрын
Baird C . that was Enki's Half Brother and Heir to the Throne on Their Kindom Nibiru . He is Was Enlil meaning Lord of Command. He is the one that has tried to Wipe out Mankind at least 4 times and is working on the 5th time right now. Under Rule of Enki and His Son Marduk there was always thousands of years of Peace and prosperity .Under Enlil and his spouses nothing but Death an Destruction
@glenobrien894
@glenobrien894 3 жыл бұрын
@@Cuffachick13 Marduk was the Oldest born son of 6 sond of Enki . Marduk . Nergal . Ningizzada . Gibil . Ninuah and Dumuzi
@heofonfyr6000
@heofonfyr6000 5 жыл бұрын
...........with stones
@elainelebarron5335
@elainelebarron5335 Жыл бұрын
The Bible teaches that Nimrod founded Babylon.
@Gracenglory5
@Gracenglory5 Жыл бұрын
Nimrod became known as Marduk. He was deified. Nimrod/Semiramis/Tammuz=Osiris/Isis/Horus. It is said he (Nimrod/Osiris) was killed chopped up into 14 pieces and scattered. Semiramis/Isis gathered all but one piece, the male member (phallus). Semiramis is said to have been impregnated by “solar rays” aka the phallus of Nimrod who is now deified/Isis is said to have made a golden phallus and became impregnated by Osiris, also now deemed a deity. Tammuz/Horus is now born…son of god and the act becomes circular and perpetual. Hence Semiramis/Isis aka Ishtar are the goddesses of fertility.
@ciscodealmeida8541
@ciscodealmeida8541 Жыл бұрын
Elohim.The Seven Mighty Elohim and their feminine counterparts are the builders of form; hence, Elohim is the name of God used in the first verse of the Bible (Plural of Heb. ‘Eloah,’ God.) One of the Hebrew names of God, or of the gods; used in the Old Testament about 2,500 times, meaning “Mighty One” or “Strong One.” Elohim is a uni-plural noun referring to the twin flames of the Godhead that comprise the “Divine Us.” When speaking specifically of either the masculine or feminine half, the plural form is retained because of the understanding that one half of the Divine Whole contains and is the androgynous Self (the Divine Us). The Seven Mighty Elohim and their feminine counterparts are the builders of form; hence, Elohim is the name of God used in the first verse of the Bible, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.” Serving directly under the Elohim are the four beings of the elements, “the Four Cosmic Forces,” who have dominion over the elementals-gnomes, salamanders, sylphs, and undines.
@user-rl6ix3lw5j
@user-rl6ix3lw5j Жыл бұрын
Marduk!!!!!!
@josephkoester7051
@josephkoester7051 Жыл бұрын
I believe God to be both positive and negative male and female!...
@jamesmay2631
@jamesmay2631 5 жыл бұрын
Really bad Camera work.
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