nope since River death happend with her first apperence (Tenant's)

I thought the doctor was

​@@PrincessofEllabur Nope, because that's not how recurring characters work. Even if a character atomized the second they appeared in screen every instance of them shown on the show after that counts as them "recurring".

+Zaphod “Memelord” Beeblebrox They didn't have it planned out. Moffat actively chose to give Amy the last name Pond to use the already existing character.

+bimer2000 I think he is talking about River itself, her story and everything were planned long ago, and Moffat managed it perfectly.

And it lasted 5 WHOLE SERIES'. I mean come on. Only Moffat could do something like that.

they had to have been planning in season 3 about a character that confused everybody until they watched it a second time

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So me as a girlfriend

Omg been There

+Alexander Thorn only miserable fangirls hate her ... the rest of us ... realize how much he loves her.

I loved the concept and the complexity of the story, but I thought Alex Kingston was wrong for the part. Her personality and the Doctor’s shouldn’t really get on, since he hates guns and people knowing more about something than he does.

That was rivers personality though...she was a psychopathic murderer, how do you expect her to act? Alex was great for the part, she made her performance believable.

literally who dislikes river song. also the doctor doesnt hate guns, thats more of a front, he just hates what hes capable of doing with a gun, he HAS been a war hero after all. Its why he prefers talking, because even without a gun he can do so much damage.

I like her but for my taste she looks exactly like my aunt and talks exactly like her. It's just weird

Sophie Prinz Not to mention there are two of my favourite people in that library. Donna and River. I just want curl into a ball and cry

Oh yes

Sophie Prinz IKR! I want to cry hard... >.< I wish at the final episode (the 13th doctor; current and last) would revive her (Probably can't sadly...) or even better, go with her... THAT WOULD BE THE BEST DOCTOR WHO ENDING EVER!

😊 probably

Sophie Prinz i started trembling. Wahh

MissMeggie 4 Omg....I just read that all in David Tennant's voice. That was Brilliant!

Why thank you. :3

Really? I honestly felt like the writers were making it up as they went along for a lot of it :/

Really? I find that view hard to swallow. It was so detailed. So many tiny details woven in so far in advance that when yo go back and watch it again it's quite insane how much clear planning went into it.

Replying to Matt there for clarification. It shows up out of order on my screen.

Oh that's brilliant! I never caught that one!

Isabelle Morgan nope her last word are in silence of the library

Isabelle Morgan the doctor's first words to her were 'get out'

MiniBritton2006 Devil yes, her last line in silence of the library was 'spoilers¡

Actually in the right order (of her timeline, not the episodes) her last words were “goodbye sweetie” when she came back as a ghost after she had already died in the library

@@myrrthes Personally I would not count that. I think the original comment, and how I'd like to see it, would be River's first and last words to the Doctor. But now since I know her last words as a 'ghost' are "Goodbye Sweetie" and her first are "Hello Sweetie"... I'm unsure if I want to have the true first and last words or the first and last words River said to the doctor as the answer. Both are so sweet and heartbreaking. The true words are backwards for the Doctor's timeline with her, which makes it fucking sad, but her last words to the Doctor makes it like a last-ditch effort to laugh off her inevitable fate- holy shit I can't stop rambling no idea where I was going with this, Doctor Who is a sad ass series in general.

Danoh Szpak omg mind blown 🤯

Danoh Szpak lmao inception

Bootstrap paradox

@@ants4life808 indeed

Danoh Szpak that’s what doctor who is in a nutshell

huang jianfeng I know and once you watch it back after having seen all the rest it’s extra super sad.

@@blackmarketdiy9963 Yeah, the second time around it really hits you.

"...The day’s coming when I’ll look into that man’s eyes-my Doctor-and he won’t have the faintest idea who I am. And I think it’s going to kill me..." (River Song, The Impossible Astronaut)

She’s dead tho

I’m crying right now

@@QuackUp and?

Dude with Series 11 episode... ah 9. Not going to spoil too much in case you haven't seen it, but let's say everyone's loved ones get shown except one of the female companions (Which was so weird btw) and the Doctor. I thought for sure River would be there for the Doctor and I was so pissed when it wasn't.

@@QuackUp 1. wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey stuff, so the Doctor could literally bump into River before she dies. 2. You'd think with how much the show tries to show that weird human social standards don't matter (sexuality, gender, appearance, etc) the fans would catch on and learn to not care as much, or that the people watching would be people who are more open to that kind of stuff. I'm kind of surprised you've made it this far and kudos to you with all the gay stuff and the selfcest going on in this series already. How many times has the Doctor been kissed by another man? Or when the Master and Missy were aggressively flirting with each other and there was even a scene where Missy pushed the Master up against a wall and he literally asked if it was bad he was turned on by that. 3. I'm not really judging you, because personality, as long as you're not a straight up homophobe and pushing all your ideals onto everyone I don't mind what you think. I'm just genuinely surprised you've made it this far and are still not comfortable with a lesbian relationship (When Bill was gay and had a relationship with Heather, Clara was bi, River's actor said River would not give a shit, there was also the couple Vastra and Jenny, and well even though Jack is a man, he's gay. All of these are canon btw).

River Sing is River in past tense. Aka River after the library.

@@jkreidler5834 Is it shown in season 3 or smt?

Actually she says at her second regeneration that she would run her aging process backward "just to freak people out" ....that's script attention to detail to cover plot-cracks!

Lol

So what kind of doctor are you? Archaeology. I like graves.

Lik if u cry evry time

Finally a Potterhead!!

It hurts so much

I feel the knife plunging into my soul

With the 10th doctor

+Conor comic's you mean 11th

+Conor comic's the war doctor counts

+Theawesomegamer samfred I would of said 11th but it might of confused people.

+Theawesomegamer samfred The 10th Doctor is the 11th regeneration and the 10th face to call himself "The Doctor". The War Doctor is the 9th regeneration of the Doctor but is not the Doctor because he denounced that title.

regenerated

I think that. Or the fact that she was a literal, living breathing child, who was living completely alone to on the streets with no help until the point of death. DEATH. Like...that’s so heart breaking. If she didn’t have the ability to regenerate then she would just be a child who starved to death alone on the street. (She still technically is. Just came back) 💔

Actually Timelords heal themselves before Regeneration. Remember when 10 wiped away his scars before he died. Her heart didn’t stop.

Here's a better question: How is she even blonde? The 10th Doctor was brown haired, and he is the mother+father of Jenny. Also the blue eyes.

+Blaze Flames (Knight of Heart) Well if she's a Timelord then she's blonde because their species genetics work differently than ours. If Timelords can change their face and every cell in their body it probably means their children NEVER end up looking like them. There would be no purpose for it. Because if the parent is dying and begins to regenerate, the child can't do the same. And if the child can't pick a face to resemble it's parents, then what the point in looking like them to begin with?

+Blaze Flames (Knight of Heart) are you even sure that's how regular genetics works

+lioness4God Fun fact: The Doctor's Daughter is actually the 5th Doctor's daughter, and David Tennant's wife.

+lioness4God she is dead, crashed into a asteroid/meteor i think

She may have thought he was the version after Matt Smith's doctor

julia0315 Yup,I agree, also, she talked to Donna about how she knows her and what will happen to her, if River knew Donna was from his past, why would she think Ten is a future Doctor?

MrSinxist she also already sad that she knew all of his faces so she should've known that the doctor was tenth one

MrSinxist she said that to Donna after she realized the doctor didn't know her

Sry I'm new watching Doctor Who, what is the crash of the byzantium?

+Mat G And the one where she meets the weeping angels and trensalor

+Mat G I bet Maisie Williams is River's daughter.....

+Stephen Sheridan No

+Stephen Sheridan no

No lol :D

In her time line 10th doctor is the last Doctor she sees and in the doctors timeline 10th doctor is the first to see river

not just that but trenzalore too

+Super Girl Trenzalore is after the library, because she's just a ghost from being saved :D

***** The Name of the Doctor is the episode name (S7 E13 2013)

Good news, you don't have to go to ikea

They had mini episodes about the Doctor giving her the sonic screwdriver.

Also remember in the Time of the Doctor, she opened the Tardis when the Doctor wouldn't to save his friends on Trenzalore.

IDK Epic she probably going to tell him in the future

yes, and that's why she needs to come back

I'm sure she is coming back. Alex has said that she loves playing River Song.

I was thinking that was matt smith

It is a clever loop. The Eleventh Doctor had to figure out a way to save River Song. The Twelfth Doctor gave her the screwdriver. The Tenth Doctor saved her with it after seeing her die.

+Ewan Stewart cos it is? (Question mark cos I'm not really sure

It's not, there's a mini episode where Matt's Doctor and River try to go on a date to see the singing towers, and he does have a suit, but they never actually go there. It was Capaldi who takes her to Darillium and gives her a screwdriver that would Tennant's Doctor use to save her.

dont forget aging for timelords is like so slow it took the 11th 900 year to age to a old man 25 years is nothing for a timelord

+Scott Phoenix Yes, but then when she met Amy and Rory she suddenly started aging in human speed... So there's still a plothole

+Domihork there isn't any logic in dr who, to be honest the same came be apply to rose's dad episode or the fact that melody name. For a science fiction show sometime the show lack scientific facts to gain the viewers and create complex characters.

hey one thing is bugging me in the pandrica opens how would river know where was amys house was and secondly when the river is flying the tardis she says to the Doctor AN EXTERNAL FORCE IS FLYING THE TARDIS. the doctor says he will investtigate but he never did he was busy with mels and the newly weds (amy and rory) .what was the external force that flew it and where was it supposed to land and whaat caused the tardis to exploed please awnser this has being on mind since season 4

Dani Aziz it was the church of the silence aka mainframe in time of the doctor

Veritas

It WOULD be nice, but since they, um, _borrowed_ it from the BBC through the DVD extra it came from, I doubt they know how to add any more parts onto it. 😄 They should just be thankful the BBC hasn't said cease and desist and had it yanked off here. As should we, for that matter, LOL!

Jayfive276 haha....naughty boy. good laugh

Jayfive276 www.google.co.uk/search?q=karen+gillian+hot&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CCMQsARqFQoTCLbBmJPerscCFQzpFAodCXgBoQ&biw=1280&bih=891#tbm=isch&q=karen+gillan+hot One search. Done.

+Taaketa Dinloka too much internet today.

+Taaketa Dinloka 2 MUCH INTER WEBZ O_O

I'ver met Karen Gillan.

I'd like to know that, too.

It's in the doctor who confidentials

Thank you so much for letting us know. Highly appreciate it.

I think that's the point

The events in Husbands of River Song makes it better, though. I mean, still as heartwrenching, but she gets time with him when they both know each other equally.

Yea

thx u :)

Aleah Ray I think she doesn't because the doctors future is her past so that means she doesn't exist yet or maybe I'm wrong because you know timey wimey.

Yeah but caplidi is the doctor now and she knew matt smiths doctor and Peter caplidi was after Matt smith so....yeah your right timy wimy

*timey wimey

+Ssj Gohan When i get Doctor Who adverts it makes me so happy :D

Me too

Saleha Hussain this was released way before that ep with the 12th Doctor happened

Dustin Platt she saw that video with the silence telling about kill them too

LOL, thank the BBC, then. It was an extra on their DVD set. 😉

Your the best

At make up

DoctorWhoTARDIS Um, River was created by Moffat...

Sorry but it was Steven Moffat who wrote Silence In the Library and created River Song

FAILED YEAH thanks for correcting me lol +goku43651

***** I wouldn't call it sloppy, nor over intricate (if anything, ironically enough, it needed to be *more* intricate than it was -- the lack of certain key intricate points is what led to certain narratives being not as good as they could have been). However, Moffat *could* have done a lot more with River than he did, and bogging her down into Amy/Rory's storylines as heavily as he did by making her their daughter detracted from elements that would have played out wonderfully for her (Example: although it would have been written/handled differently, the whole "splintered through time" subplot that was given to Clara should have *really* been *River's* -- that would have made her think that she had more of a "future" relationship with the Doctor across more incarnations than she did, and makes her realizing that her relationship with him ended in the Library even more poignant than it was originally. Even Clara's getting to see --albeit briefly -- the Doctor as a young boy on Gallifrey is something that again should narratively have belonged to River... it would have continued Moffat's borrowing of elements from "The Time Traveler's Wife" in describing/relating the Doctor's and River's relationship...). >sigh

tideoftime By Intricate what I really mean is they tried to over complicate the concept of River by threading her into as many stories as possible because she became a fan favourite. Ultimately she didn't need to feature in as many episodes as she eventually did and I feel most of those episodes would have benefited more from her absence I agree with you that the plot elements of Clara's origin story would have felt better with River as the crux, but there's no use crying over spilt milk now.....I guess. It's just another problem I have with Moffat's writing as a whole. He tends to use such a historically vast and uniquely conceptualized universe in very small ways. A friend and I were talking recently about one particular subject. Why are all the Cybermen the Doctor meets in New Who from the same generation. Once they appear with a new look, that same look continues in every episode thereafter. He's a time traveller ideally he would come into contact with many varied designs of Cyberman from throughout history. Yet the same design of Cyberform introduced on a parallel world and designed by a single man (John Lumic) simply appear back in our reality two seasons later and in 1851. I mean come on Moffat, it would be good to know you at least attempt to think these things through.

***** I think you are misperceiving a few aspects of the ongoing narratives involved, particularly relative to River. It wasn't that Moffat had tried to shoe-horn her into as many stories as possible because she had become popular as a character -- it had *always been* his intention to have her as a recurring companion for the Doctor, due to her temporal subplot. All of the stories she appears in have direct, causal narrative links to her ongoing (albeit out-of-order) storyline, whether because it is linked to the Church, her birth/death, her growing up, or her losing her parents/the Doctor. That's not "shoe-horning" anything relative to the character. (Even the brief cameos -- beyond her regularly involved episodes -- in the second half of the 2011 season were merely set-ups for the season finale of that year, and therefore justified.) As far as the Cybermen's appearance (or similar-such production citations), I think some people tend to forget a very important thing about DW, as a series, that while not as true as it was during the Classic Era is still true today: *they don't have a big budget*. Once a particular amount of money has been spent to build a new Tardis control room, update a monster's look, establish that a character will be recurring, etc., that expense has to be *justified* by be used as much as possible during the production era it was created in. It's a sad fact of DW/BBC economics. Is that annoying to some of the more purist-minded of us (myself included, on occasion)? Sure. But it's understandable from a business POV. If DW had the proportional budget that, say, the Star Trek series of the 80's/90's had, then such considerations could be taken into account as the show would have the budget to cover "x, y and z". Unfortunately, they don't. #SadButTrue

Well let me ask you this question. Is River's story done (considering in her last appearance was that of the "saved" version from Forest of the dead), or could she return? There were many references in both Silence in the library and Forest of the dead to her past involving the Doctor. Most notably acquiring a version of the tenth Doctor's screwdriver. This has since never been shown and is an aspect of the characters history and relationship with the Doctor I would still like to see. I simply believe that River's story could and should have been simplified. I don't feel many of the episodes in which she featured were ultimately needed because it was those very episodes that further added plot points that required her return. Whether or not the series of events were planned out well in advance or not, I still feel very let down by the results. Just because Doctor Who is science FICTION, that shouldn't mean it doesn't have to make sense within the boundaries of the universe that it has created. As for my Cyberman reference, I fully understand that budget may be an issue and I was going to mention that in my previous statement. However when considering budget I'm sure this will mean we will be seeing the previous Cyberman (introduced in 2006) return for future episodes? As using these older (already existing) costumes would save on said budget. But of course that wont happen because the Cyberman have now upgraded to walk with the gait of Robocop and adapt almost instantly to any defence like some low-grade Borg rip-off. .........Sigh . .

***** Again, I think you're looking at things from a POV that isn't supportable by the series. We were *never* going to see all of the Doctor's/River's relationship; in fact, we were only ever going to see highlights of it, with extra-narrative aspects (Easter Island, Jim the Fish, Picnic at Asgard, their final "date" at the Singing Towers, et al) being simply and neatly covered via expositive reference by River/whoever in conversation. (And to cite again, we *know* that the Doctor givers River the screwdriver at the their last date, and in the minisode "First Night/Last Night", we even see them right before going on said date... that covers that narrative well enough, certainly....) As far as not seeing River again -- we *can* see her again, of course, in an episode with 12, and even (no doubt to your chagrin) have references to them seeing each other at different points "short-handed" into a conversation (or not, works either way), as it can be an earlier version of her; equally, River's story can be *done* now, as both she and 11 ended on a (finally) equal footing, being able to say goodbye to each other at roughly an equal end of their relationship (11 knows practically everything, and River has been dead for anywhere from years to millennia on end). As far as the Cybermen and related details/citations, it also comes down to a point of how much "x" can be used/employed in the comparatively limited time they have for a season (12-14 episodes a season, with no real fixed narrative "home base", as it were, like with the various ST series or even as they were back in the UNIT heyday of the early 70's, so each episode is essentially starting from scratch each time, from a production POV). While physical costumes and such exist from a decade or more ago, the viability of "changing pace", as it were, comes with meta-narrative considerations: the broader, general audience can be thrown by shifting production aspects (as some, for example, apparently were with the 2014 season, resulting in the greatest degree of mixed reviews for a season in the Nuwho era, though that has as much to do with questionable narrative choices as anything else...). Keeping things within a given narrative/production setting *is*, in fact, both economically more sound as well as more psychologically "stabilizing" for more general viewers as opposed to the more hardcore geeks such as (presumably) you and me. (Again, to clarify: I don't disagree with you on that specific point, as such, I just understand why they *don't* adjust things to be more like how they were at "x" time in the real-world transmissions. Also, Moffat did give himself a nice scapegoat/window-wash vis-a-vis The Cracks: any real-world transmission that occurred before The Cracks (and even a few "afterwards") may no longer be as "true" as they were before -- various aspects of time/space may not be exactly as they were meta-narratively in the Whoniverse pre-Moffat. It's all very open, and that's Moffat's gift to future writers, so to speak -- he created a plot device that allows the relative past to be different (or not), allowing future writers to perhaps not have a tabla rasa to work with but at least some more room, as it were, to move around. A very important point that shouldn't be understated or ignored....

So sad

Walking WhoLock We got a rookie over here. Give him a hug.

+PotterFangirl2242 That's alright, your primary loyalty is to potter, after all ;)

WAIT WHAT

This is from a DVD extra, so they didn't put it together, just posted it - they should feel lucky the BBC hasn't noticed it yet and said cease and desist, LOL!

This is from a DVD extra, and I'm not sure they would know how to add anything on to it to repost it, LOL! It would be pretty cool if someone could do it, though.