Thank you! I'm also considering the Dual Motor Max Pack. Have you towed anything with it yet?

bro what? a DAY???? on a LEASE???? why not buy the mfer...you're gonna pay more when you turn it in.

Working on vampire drain myself, will do a video when I kinda get things figured out. Last night I had .34 MPH of loss which is way better than I had a week ago with everything turned on.... FWIW go set up a trial account with these folks, will give you fantastic detail on what's going on: www.electrafi.com/

Appreciated. I think I am going large and waiting until there is a software that offers what they want max pack to be. 6% will be gone in a year with battery deg. What are we even talking about? Only sorta makes sense if you have pre hike pricing.

I think I could get the EPA rated range if I pre-conditioned the cabin & battery and drove 65, but is that reasonable? We are on a road trip in Texas right now, and in West TX the I-10 has an 80mph limit! One man's Reasonable is another's so-slow-big-rigs-will-run-you-down :-P

ABRP now has integration with Rivian where it starts plotting out your real world efficiency. So far we're looking like 2.29m/kwh, and that's with our AT tires and the RTT on the back which I'm too lazy to take off :-P

Well let's be clear, it's not simply "a person", it's "a person who is already willing to shell out at least $79,000 for an EV truck, probably more with some options". The question then is adding $10K more or not, ~13% more or not, for a 10-15% increase in range/efficiency. We could also consider the other end of ownership, after say 5 years when the battery has lost a few % of capacity, the Max is going to be still going strong and have a higher resale value than a Large showing it's age.

@@MotorsportUnplugged We have no idea how "strong" the Max Pack will be going after 5 years compared to the large battery. We have no idea what the range difference will be between the two after 5 years as well. For all we know today, the Max batteries might actually degrade *worse* and the range could be even less than the Large after 5 years. How much of that $10k (or $12k if you financed it) will you recoup on resell? My honest guess is that the trade difference after 5 years between the two will be close to zero or well under a $1000. Rivian hasn't even been selling trucks for 5 years so we really have no data as to how their depreciation in general will look after 5-7-10 years and 150,000-200,000 miles. As I said, people can spend their money on whatever they want - no judgment here.

You're right it's significantly unknown until time passes and experience builds, but both cell types are Samsung, and both packs appears to have the same 95.7% usable capacity. This information was gleaned from the EPA filings and other testing, best summary I've seen is here: www.batterydesign.net/rivian-max-battery-pack/

@@kashelectronica7541 Dare I say, not "big" but "realistic and predictable" assumptions? Lets be honest, Rivian has only been delivering vehicles into actual production for *barely* over 2 years now, more specifically Sept of 2021. Based upon their actual, documented and current earnings statement, I would say there is a better than 50/50 gamble that Rivian wont even exist in its current form in 2030. Good luck with service and parts if that happens and dare say, your resell value.

I'm not sure how much I buy Out of Spec's "10% Challenge" test honestly, it's too quick for the Max Pack to have much of a chance to soak up extra miles within the 'fat' part of the curve. Sounded like they were about to release another video with a more extensive side-by-side charging test but...no sign yet, maybe they are still talking with Rivian trying to sort things out.

I realize OoS is trying to come up with standard tests to compare different vehicles and trying to represent “real life” scenarios to compare. The 10% challenge misses the mark for me. My test would be “how long does it take to add 150 real world miles?” This is about 2 hours down the road and time for a break anyway. The real physical test considers the distance between chargers and your load - this is a truck after all. My next charging opportunity is 120 miles away and I’m pulling a not so aerodynamic cargo trailer. I need to charge deep. The deeper you go, the slower it gets. I don’t think my X can make it unless I drive at 50 mph. Say I want to drive a more reasonable 60 mph. How long will I need to charge in the max vs the large? We have the R1T Dual Max Performance on 21” because range is important to me and we have two different trailers we pull with it.

​@@HarveyPaynehow has Towing been with the Max pack? I'm in the same persona as you, I look forward to stretching my legs every 2 hrs. Can the Max go 2 hrs with towing?

​@@baselsalam Yes. Here's info on our lastest loop. Our longest leg is over three hours and yes, we are ready to stop for a break. We basically take I-8 from San Diego over to Gila Bend, then up around Phoenix, up I-17, to Prescott. On the way back we take the direct route from Prescott to Quartzsite, across to Palm Springs, then over the mountain back to San Diego county. It is 440 miles going there and 390 coming back. The reason we use this loop is because the R1T just can't quite pull the 150 miles from Quartzsite to Prescott with its 4500' elevation gain even when we charge to full. Well, MAYBE we could make it with 12% to spare -- I just don't have the guts to try. No place to charge out there at all so I don't want to get stuck. So, we go around on I-8 because it is such a better road than I-10. On our current loop of about 830 miles we go about 2.5 hours to the first charger about 120 miles away (66% of battery). Next stop is 127 miles and is only 2:16 (79.2% battery). The next leg we only go 50 miles in 54 minutes so we can stop at the chepaer RAN station (31.8% battery). The previous stop was an expensive charge so we only stop long enough to make this next part and to get a date shake. :) Our next two legs are short -- 90 miles in 1:37 (63.5%) and 55 miles in an hour (46.2%). These last two legs are climbing up a few thousand feet, most of which are that last 55 miles. Heading back we have our longest leg, That one is 150 miles and takes about 3 hours and 15 minutes (70.4%). Not bad considering the first 50 miles or so are on a windy 30 MPH mountain road with snow and ice. The R1T does great. Next leg is 133 miles and 2:26 (71%). Final leg home over the mountain and down the other side -- part way, is 95 miles and takes 2:03 (56%). Again, not bad for twisty windy roads through the mountains. The miles, times, and percent of battery used were from our last trip. The temperatures weren't too cold -- maybe high 20's to actually up in the 80's around Palm Springs I think.

I would feel better about it if I knew it would ultimately be the large pack. But for 16K 6% is not a good trade off when you consider value of the vehicle. But if I consider the spent at home charging rather than DC because I had it in the tank. That is helpful. That makes a difference.