Thanks for watching guys! Sorry this one is late, KZfaq has been an absolute clown on reviewing videos today lol Also if you're interested in the Roanoke Tales video over The vanishing of flight 19! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Y7iAaZt1tLvVhp8.html

Fun fact. In the novel of ID4 it supposedly has a POV from the Harvesters when they were hit by the failed nuke strike. Apparently the shield had absorbed the hit but was heavily damaged to the point they were rightfully freaking out as they were worried that another nuke would have broken through the remaining shield and destroyed or heavily damaged the ship. Meaning had the president did the second strike, they likely could have brought it down, and that humanity did have a way of bringing them down. At least by brute force.

fun fact, the "what the hell is that smell?" line Hillar gave while dragging the alien was apparently not planned and he was merely smelling a slight fish aroma because he was walking across a dried lake bed.

Fun Fact: Will Smith yelling "What the hell is that smell" is a blooper that was included in the film. His reaction was to the bad smell emitted by the salt lake he was on.

Regarding the 'whistleblower' around the 12:00 mark, "non-human organic bodies" can refer to almost anything, from cotton pads to leather chair backing. It's a carefully constructed sentence meant make you draw the conclusion of aliens without lying under oath by actually saying aliens.

As an Army veteran, every military joke / reference Roanoke made us 100% spot on. Lost it at the black mold in the barracks bit. Way to go Fort Campbell. Love the content man

Roanoke please cover the Tyranids from 40k, and how their biology works with gene stealers or even just their adaptability. It's in this same vein and they're the upcoming villans of the next space marine game

25:07 “This things hate us and they’re not immune to bullets which is hilarious, get wrecked” had me dying 😂

I've always handwoven the moon dust vibrations and the weirdness of gravity when the grandmother ship lands as evidence that the aliens are using gravity based propulsion. You'd definitely have to use something like that to move such a massive ship.

Regarding the Nuke scene. I can't remember where I read it but apparently the nuke did do considerable damage to the shield and one more nuke would've brought the shield down and potentially damaged the ship itself. Also the Harvesters were surprised by the attack since they did not believe we possessed such weaponry during the invasion.

I remember reading “Silent Zone”, a prequel novel and in it the Harvesters are said to have come from a world that they over exploited and this is what motivated them to harvest other planets, it also mentions how their “suits” were actually another species from a jungle world that they took over and use them to better move around.

I wanted to see more of the ground war between humans and the surviving aliens between independence 1 &2. Give it a survival horror feel.

An interesting fun fact: Major Mitchell (the guy who shoots the can off the alien ship) is played by Adam Baldwin. Baldwin is the voice actor of Tali’s strike team commander on Haestrom, Kal’Reegar.

With the gravity thing, I feel like it could be because instead of using traditional engines, the harvesters use a gravitational propulsion system, since I could easily be far more efficient for a ship of that size to use gravity rather than something like, say, a chemical propellant or ion engines.

"Welcome to Earth!" Best first upclose encounter with aliens that isn't the Mass Effect kind.

One thing I always loved about Independence Day is, as Roanoke says, not only is the President young, he's also a war hero. He personally leads the attack on one of the aliens' ships. Literally. He's right out in front. Totally unthinkable nowadays.

Fun fact: In the ID4 comic issue #0 it is confirmed that Russel was telling the truth. He was abducted and he was abducted by the same aliens that come to earth

Hope you gave the book a glance, as it paints a better picture of the "Harvester" hives, as well as telling the story of how the scientist that Brent Spiner portrays came to be apart of the project of studying the crashed ships and pilots.

You Sir are the ultimate "watching YT while eating dinner after an 8 hour shift every night" channel. Always interesting, and always entertaining. God Bless America.

Dr Oken was based on Jeffrey A. Okun, a visual fx guy that worked on Emmerich’s previous movie, Stargate. They made Spiner up to look almost like Okun’s twin with the long grey hair, Brent used some of Okun’s little personality quirks (like his goofy way of explaining things) in his portrayal of Dr Okun. This kind of carried over to Godzilla when the main character was named after the FX guy on Independence Day, Patrick Tatopoulos

Biomechanics have always been really interesting to me. If you ever get the chance to check out Guyver The Bioboosted Armour I'd love to hear your take on how'd it work

I always figured, and this was a plot point in Transformers, that the alien tech is what gave us our computers. So, if our tech was built based on theirs, a virus might be more plausibly viable for use to infect them. Plus, he had direct hardware access to the alien systems to figure it out.

I love how despite Roanoke being so aggressively American and pro-human, he just admits that we are basically monkeys with sticks if aliens decide we deserve to not exist. There is no amount of patriotism that can overpower the fact we are probably one of the dumbest sentient beings there is

I honestly would've preferred if the second film took place a full century after the first so that we could get full blown space battles between human and Harvester ships, and it would've been more believable for humanity to get to a prosperous state.

One reason I love your channel is not just from how interesting it is but it also gives me interesting design choices when creating monsters and alien races

Sometimes I think of scenarios where the very idea of war among space fairing species is completely foreign. Like the reason they've gotten to the stars much faster is due to them focusing 100% of their efforts in doing so. Rather than finding better ways to unalive each other. So when they get to earth they're just watching in horror at our proclivity for violence.

Fun fact: the character of the nam vet with ptsd was originally going to be flying his crop duster into the alien ship and blowing it up with improve explosives or stuff he had left over from Vietnam. I remember going to watch this movie... It was at a theater in Athens, GA which probably doesn't exist anymore (the theater) and I remember it well because they were finishing the final section of Hwy 316 merging into 29 just before downtown. And yes it was hot so we all were drinking plenty of soda and I remember reeeaallllyyy having to go when the movie finally ended.

I feel like the issue with the moon defense is that it was based on the scout ship’s shield which would likely be less effective than the larger harvester ship’s shields. Probably would’ve being it so it would have enough power to break the scout shield but save energy for the next shot. Like arming yourself with a bullet that can punch through Kevlar just well enough to kill the person behind it, and not shatter your shoulder or waste lead and gunpowder needlessly. And then instead of a guy in Kevlar, we end up facing a tank.

The tie-in novel ID4 Silent Zone actually has an explanation for the biomechanical suits: they were another species that the aliens previously conquered.

It really feels that these were really inspired by War of the Worlds as if you take everything but the head and tentacles off they basically would be the Wells aliens. I think that drink machine was a Fruitopia machine, the machine that took most of my money in art school.

I really like the more integrated review and science breakdown style. I never skipped ahead to the science stuff before but would easily tune out during the recap. This is much more engaging and entertaining. Keep up the great work.

Fun fact for you, Tali fan boys: The soldier that double taps the alien after the autopsy scene, actually voices Kal Reegar, the male Quarian who was with Tali in Mass Effect 2 when you find her on that really hot planet. So yeah lol

Oh man I heard you say "Quest for More Money" in Mel Brooks' voice even... I love this channel. You get me Roanoke. Now I'm sad we never got a Spaceballs II...

No clue how you can pump out so many videos, you’ve quickly became one of my favorite content creators. Thanks for the entertainment!

(Writing this before I start the video, Roan may work this stuff out himself) There was an ID4 prequel book that covered the early life of Dr Okun and the Roswell crash in more detail. Few people know about it so I'm guessing it may not be covered. But there was a brief paragraph talking about the bio suit and the original harvesters. A higher gravity jungle planet is where the biosuit creature originally evolved, akin to an arboreal crustacean, without the tentacles. The harvesters destroyed their world, and took the creatures and changed their DNA, improving them, added tentacles for fine manipulation/controlling starship mechanisms, and removing unneeded parts. Now they're simply "grown" synthetically and hollowed out. The Harvesters themselves overpopulated their world, moved into caves, killed each other food, simple moss and lichen. The few who left the planet were the only survivors, never learning their lessons, growing unchecked as advanced hives would. Apologies for the unrelenting nerdiness of my ramblings.

Watched a few of your videos. I love how enthusiastic you sound when you really start to dig into a topic!

@RoanokeGaming yo bro, that clip of the military at 6:02 is my unit!!! That guy in the glasses is me, lol

If you haven’t already I would recommend the book series “Remembrance of Earths Past”. It does a great job at showing the technological gap between the humans and aliens in it. It’s being turned into a Netflix series soon as well. I would love to hear your thoughts on it and the unique biology of the aliens.

The book that was written to promote the first movie went into more detail in regards to the functionality and the origin of the biomechanical suits that the Harvesters use to pound us into the ground. In particular, the book mentioned that the suits are in fact modified reanimated corpses of another species that have been heavily modified for use as suits. Additionally, the fighters that they use are also grown

"Will Smith opens up the alien space ship to tell ET to keep Earth's name out it's mo-..." 😂😂😂

If I'm not mistaken the f35 story was actually an f22, and it was facing f15's. Which again with the odds stacked against one of the most formidable fighters at the time the raptor did bag and tag all of them with little effort. The raptor as expensive as it is, is one of the most impressive 5th gen fighters ever made and thats based on what Lockheed Martin has told the public....it does more.

it wasnt a thing in cities, but suburban and rural areas in the 90s, everyones keys were in their visor, ive heard explanations from my family ranging from laziness, ease of access, "it looked like a good hiding spot" even "idk gramps/granny just did it, so its habit" even today i know several people out in the country who still do it and im glad theyre that safe to be able to

Quite an entertaining vid. Appreciate the work that went into it. Excellent work!

@ 9:47 a random Takua appears, and for whatever reason, that made my day.

Thank you, Roanoke. Tali is indeed the best girl!

The will Smith punching the alien scene is ICONIC (USA USA 🇺🇸)

I love you reminding me about my own tinnitus every freaking video

God damn your videos are all SO good, I've been bingewatching them all for the past week (sorry for any errors english is not my first language)

So fun part about the deserts in this movie. He was walking across the Bonneville salt flats with the alien which is about 650+miles away from the area the military base was in. It's also about 260 miles north east of area 51. If he had instead walked north east he would have ended up at Hill Air Force Base which is a major supply and repair depot which didn't actually have any alien ships over the top of it in the movie.

The usage of telepathy in how a society and species works is so fascinating to me. It reminds me of the Furons from the Destroy All Humans series. They’re and extremely militaristic race, extremely intelligent and have a Lust for destruction that borders on an art for them. Part of this is because of the fact they’re naturally telepathic and can read minds. Comedy and Drama are both difficult to near impossible to create in Furon society because they can tell what the twists and punchlines are thanks to their mind reading abilities. Destruction, combat and Warfare are far more entertaining thanks to the combat of wits that goes into a fight. As a result even their weaponry exceeds what would be reasonable for any combat encounter because for them the real drama is in the heat of combat and odd and overkill weaponry makes it even more entertaining. The two main characters get absorbed in American culture and programming because of this. TV is extremely addicting entertainment because not only is their action and Drama but the primitive nature of human technology means you can read minds of the actors.

Bionicle meme at 9:46. I am pleased.

Haven’t heard the F35 vs F18 story sounds a lot like the F22 vs F15 one, might be what he’s thinking of, but during preproduction testing one F22 was put against 12 F15Cs in about 2 minutes scored all of them without being spotted, another great example of tech differences is the time a F22 intercepted two Iranian F4s and was undetected right under them and only got noticed when he pulled right next to them and hailed them saying to go home

Humans all the way! Also yes more Roanoke videos!

One detail I like from Resurgence is that the Human bombers are just B-1s upgraded with alien tech.

Longer front legs or arms than the back legs is usually an indication of arboreal locomotion when combined with some form of grasping appendages like hands or claws. Examples are monkeys, chimpanzee's, sloths, koalas as well as other types of tree-dwelling mammals.

Hey Roanoke, I made a recommendation a long time ago about the Relic movie; and it was beyond perfect. Well I'm back with another. I was rewatching the British TV show Primeval and there are creatures from the future I think you may find interesting as a biologist. Much love, and love this Independence Day episode ❤ 10/10

What I always thought why the virus worked was that the aliens are indeed a hive mind so internal computer security wasn't something they thought of. Plus it required a physical connection to the mothership. It was pure luck that that Area 51 just happen to have an alien ship to physically connect

as a fellow migraineur ... sympathies. as to the aliens, the BOOK adapatation of independance day has some lovely details about the bio mech suits- which are actually other aliens they use as suits. you may well go into that, but i commented after the migraine part.

Can confirm on the 'black mold base housing' joke, my time in on-base housing during my service was terrible, those houses are so poorly maintained. The sewage of an entire block got stopped up and everyone's basements flooded with sewer water, it was awful!

The smell was actualy a stench on set, and that line was not intended for the movie but it was so good that they kept it in.

If tribal uncontacted people can take down a helicopter and that makes us ban anyone coming near them aliens would probably react the same to us gunning down one of their stupid pathetic ships.

Excellent Sodaz clip!!! That was great to see!

the sound of first contact still lives in my head since the first time i saw it in 2002

You should cover skyline(2010) if you have time. It’s a pretty good si-fi flic with pretty unique and detailed alien biology as well as a protagonist that understands the age old concept of hit it until it stops twitching. I really enjoy your work here on KZfaq. While I mostly deal with mechanics and physics it’s always fun to listen to a breakdown from a biological perspective, keep up the good work.

Your description of what we should have before talking to our space neighbors was straight out of my (and probably everyone elses) RTS strategy. Have some nearby picket scouts but not widespread exploring. Build my defenses. Turrets, walls, a small-medium combat force. Then I send out scouts. Once I find other units, I determine friend/foe (always foe because it's an RTS videogame) then react accordingly. Usually, moving my combat force to a decent forward position and build up a proper attack force to steam roll my enemies.

I've listened to a few of your videos so far and wow, if it's at all possible could you stop being so relatable and familiar? Like wow I love your KZfaq page yes you're a biologist I appreciate that and I'm sure thousands if not hundreds of thousands appreciate that, but even when you continue your main career please keep this as a side note or even a form of passive income because yeah it feels like a nice college seminar in theology. Anyway long story short thank you for uploading and posting

Never thought I would see a Bionicle meme used by Roanoke. I am very pleased. Also just now catching up on like 3 months of backlog videos

These guys are basically the Great Value versions of the Asgard from Stargate. Specifically the ones in the 2nd movie since the first movie came out a few years before Stargate SG-1.

the core harvesting sounds about right, theoretically it would be much easier to slurp up the molten core then to harvest a solid core or to collect 10,000 small, fast moving objects for miniscule return. in shorter words: it kinda makes sense. (edit: also i quite like the second movie, i can understand not liking it but i enjoyed it.)

Nice video yet again, Roanoke! Would you mind sharing videos that explain that human telepathy and quantum number generator? It was very interesting and I’d love to see it more!

for another note on moon landing based proof, we also left a series of reflectors up there you can point lasers at to get them to bounce back directly. Fun experiments to do with incredibly dangerous lasers!

I love Roanoke, I remember him blowing up with dead space vids, now he's quiping about blown out middle aged knees. Truely a man of the people.

Ive always loved the alien designs when i was a kid, theyre still awesome to look at even now

I love roanoke's nerd voice so much. It needs it's own compilation imo :)

Thank you for making this video half as long as the movies you were talking about! 😜😂

Please do a video on the Tyranids! With the new Space Marine game coming out it's a good time to get footage and model details. Also, what are your opinions on the search for extra-terrestrial life in our solar system? (most likely places, signs to look for, etc.)

I had a migraine to last night. Weird, was it the barro pressure? I threw up it got so bad, I was a little dehydrated thought so it wasn't too bad. Thanks for the science and yes, we terrifying are like a children next to a highway. Keep up the good work!

I'm so glad you brought up the quantum computing experiment!

interesting theory, tho tbh, i kinda interpreted it the other way around; the suits aren't their original forms, but their optimized forms, like how if a human made a biomechanical super suit, it would probably seem more like a bipedal gorilla than a giant person

Been waiting for a video on the Harvesters for ages! Thank you Roanoke!

The thumbnail reminded me of a Hydralisk from StarCraft, which begs the question, would you ever consider going over the Zerg from StarCraft? They infest humans (Terran) but I'm not sure if there's much to go over in terms of biology but if anyone could make it work it's Roanoke Tales... I mean Gaming.

10:52 Gotta nit-pik a bit, since Marines have a crayon MRE ;) . El Toro is a Marine Corp Air Station, not a Air Force Base. Awesome vid as always!

The early telepathy in humans has peaked my interest mainly because I was informed when I was in a military cadet group by a retired Vet who lives in the UK & volunteers with the RAF Cadets as an instructor. Anyway at one of our camps all three groups in the 1101 Squadron were present (Blue, Red, and Green Flight Group signified by a coloured marking on our berets). I was a Cadet First Class for Blue Group, and my fireteams callsign was Gibbon, which was the fireteam with Blue Group's highest ranked cadet, essentially his personal unit. I had the callsign Gibbon-5, but there were 8 of us in my fireteam. We were instructed before an altered game of Manhunt using blanks & radios that one of the ways to make yourself more hidden was to close your eyes if you can observe an enemy that can't see you. This is because even when not looking at you the British military has observed that enemy combatants, and people in general, are more likely to discover you if you observe them, almost like they can feel where you are.

Roanoke! Love your channel, I love learning about the science behind movies and games. It's all so fascinating and you break it down into a easy to consume way. Thank you for the amazing content!

I would love it if Roanoke covered the different aliens in Mass Effect.

I was hooked within the first 2 minutes, and with the southpaw comment I know I found an amazing story teller!

using the picture of Boogie with the comical nerd voice made me dribble coffee. Thank-you sir!

I actually want to see a third one where we go interstellar and just have one big war with other alien species vs the harvesters and multiple queens

I genuinely love these videos so much I have re-watched nearly half of them, keep up the great work man!

Just bought both on dvd and finished watching them because of this video, it made me want to watch them again.

I feel the exact same way about Atlanta. That place is hell. Most Georgians feel the same way

Love you man. Thank you for another good shift!

I love how these aliens are pretty much a more evil version of the Formics from the Enders universe. Only just not realizing the similarities

I love series like this. I don't have the time for studying this fiction, but I appreciate y'all that do.

Awesome video!

Roanoke has the best commentary, please never change

This channel deserves so much more recognition bro

I didn't know there was a second independence day, I will have to watch this.

@6:50 that Minute Maid vending machine gave me such a rush of nostalgia for the 90’s… they were everywhere back then, but I cannot recall seeing them since that decade.

Sorry to hear about the migraines. As a chronic sufferer, I know how much they can suck. Speaking of suck, thanks for watching that second movie so I didn't have to! Finally, you should add Blade of the Immortal to your list of things to watch, crazy samurai wormy action!