Rob Childs Rapier Vid 65 - Saber and Messer vs Rapier

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2 ай бұрын

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Aside from the great fencing I experienced in tournament at SwordStrong 2024 in Kansas City, MO, I also got in a great deal of sparring before and after the tournaments. One person in particular brought his saber and messer to do some passes with me in rapier and this is the interesting result.

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@TheSinisterSwordsman 2 ай бұрын

Hey it me!

@mohamedyusuf4777 2 ай бұрын

From your perspective why do you think you were getting hit?

@TheSinisterSwordsman 2 ай бұрын

@@mohamedyusuf4777 part of it was fatigue, not in reaction sense, but form. My sword arm started letting my blade/guard fall below my arm, leaving it open (he kept tagging me there or using it to open me up). My bad knee is also the knee under my sword (and is wrapped under the pants/guard to help stability on day 3 of the tournament) so I was slow on the leg voids too. This wasn't just in this match, I was getting hit there all weekend too. The only clean hit I landed was when I was fencing 3 intentions deep. Definitely an amazing match/experience and I look forward to fencing him again.

@mohamedyusuf4777 2 ай бұрын

@@TheSinisterSwordsman What system are you working from and more interestingly what was your game plan for the fight with your system?

@kevinc3751 2 ай бұрын

Staying on the outside to try and snipe against a rapier is extremely tough and in my limited experience, usually ends badly for me. If the saber or side sword guy doesn’t parry or overpower the rapier and move in quickly leading to an effective strike, it is a big mismatch. And of course that’s easier said than done with the reach difference too. Fun to experiment for sure!

@虚無の魔法 2 ай бұрын

I am researching sabers from the Middle East. Mainly, when Turks used rapiers, they held high guard and made diagonal cuts. Looks like it was used. If a right-handed person does it, there are two ways: from the upper right to the lower left, and from the lower left to the upper right. He slashes at them with his rapier, knocks them off, and tries to get in by shifting the tip of his sword. One of the successes（1:28） on the Saber side seems to be intercourse with the method used by this Turk.

@maciejziolkowski4171 2 ай бұрын

I would recommend for further experimentation to pair the messer with a buckler ( this should alleviate some of the disadvantages for the messer user). Also it would be interesting to see sidesword/ rapier and buckler vs rapier and dagger.

@417hemaspringfieldmo 2 ай бұрын

I enjoy the experiment of Sidesword Vs Rapier, it almost always end bad for me until I finally get the measure right lol

@scottmacgregor3444 2 ай бұрын

Nice. I really like mixed weapon sparring. It can do a good job of highlighting the strengths and weaknesses of a weapon.

@RobertChildsRapier 2 ай бұрын

It can certainly highlight advantages of one over another, but I think even more so it can show a swordsman where their skills are weakest.

@domenigo97 2 ай бұрын

Maybe a parry dagger could make a difference for the Saber user. Just an idea from a person who never held a sword in his hand.

@jaketheasianguy3307 2 ай бұрын

Could work. I have spar alot using sidesword and dagger against a rapier that has 20cm longer blade length. The dagger helped sooo much because it double your line of defense, and you can control the rapier safely without it disengaging and shanking you in the stomach.

@carloparisi9945 2 ай бұрын

Nice experiment, it is hard to fence with a sabre against a rapier and it must be nearly impossible to confront one with a messer, however weighted scoring may level the odds a bit, a cut with the rapier and a cut with the sabre are not the same thing. Maybe 2 points for a rapier thrust or a sabre cut or thrust and 1 point for a rapier cut?

@thinnedpaints6503 2 ай бұрын

That's an interesting point, I might play around with that.

@RobertChildsRapier 2 ай бұрын

Certainly a possibility should anyone decide to hold a mixed weapons tournament. I've been on the saber end of this match up and the key from a martial perspective is to close the line of the rapier before closing the distance. Not an easy skill but, once you have it, you quickly see just how valuable it is.

@DrLeroy76 2 ай бұрын

@@RobertChildsRapier is there a video on this skill (closing the line before closing distance)?

@RobertChildsRapier 2 ай бұрын

@@DrLeroy76 There is indeed. While I have a number of videos that cover different techniques and tactics for closing the line as you close the distance, two such videos that discuss this are my videos on the "Two Target Concept" and also the lockdown. I have not done a video that consolidates all of them but that would be difficult considering all of the possibilities.

@romanista77 Ай бұрын

Interestingly, the first KZfaq video I’ve seen of a messer fencer closing the line against a rapier was on your opponent’s channel.