SSC controversy: doing research about record runs in the USA from the Nürburgring. Lamborghini STnO: Doing research about the Nürburgring runs from the United States. It all adds up people!
@MacheteK3 жыл бұрын
Good comment
@sooofancier3 жыл бұрын
*STnO Is this some sort of new Lambhorgini model that you've created?
@Leshic23 жыл бұрын
Love it! STnO!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Love your humor Misha!
@alistairwillock72663 жыл бұрын
Busted.
@Siskovski3 жыл бұрын
Are you sayin' he's been the mastermind behind all these controversies?
@Shmee1503 жыл бұрын
I have no doubt the STO is going to be an incredible car, and I'm very excited for the arrival of mine later this year. However, nothing is more important than honesty and transparency as we learned with the SSC Tuatara last year. Let's hope there's no intent to pull the wool over our eyes! EDIT: Removed "What a dumb controversy! ;)" because clearly too many people didn't understand that was a reference to the article written by Motor Trend last October, in reference to the video content made by Robert, Misha and myself when we suggested things weren't right with the SSC Tuatara 331mph record. This is not me defending or attacking Lamborghini either way, it was a joke, that too many people didn't understand. Sorry!
@sooofancier3 жыл бұрын
HI SHMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE how did you came here rapidly?
@MegaSturrup3 жыл бұрын
Thats key for sure
@JerainJezza3 жыл бұрын
It's Lamborghini, they did it in the past and they will do it again... :D
@AleksandrHalas3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree with Shmee
@Shmee1503 жыл бұрын
@@JerainJezza Something tells me it might be worth a further look back at the Performante and SVJ laps with similar methods to that of the Tuatara... as Misha did at the time with the Perf. Who knows what we might find! ;)
@woutercornet55543 жыл бұрын
"It is all legal and stock" What did Top Gear say again? "They are Italians, they just lie"
@Talynen3 жыл бұрын
"Is it high or low? Low? Okay, our emissions is 1!"
@monstermirror23 жыл бұрын
Supervised by Germans but... *cough*
@Benjiesperformance3 жыл бұрын
Lmfaoo...they not longer Italians! Their germans seeking for revenge against the Americans and associates 🥺🥺🥺🤣🤣🤣
@bertuuuuuu3 жыл бұрын
we don’t lie, we scream bad words
@vipecrx3 жыл бұрын
Road legal? Cool, now they'll all be registering their cars in Florida...
@tomstamp3 жыл бұрын
Sorry it’s a bit late, time stamps were mad in this one! ;)
@sooofancier3 жыл бұрын
HeRe bEfOrE t0m thEn LoL
@DahleJohannes3 жыл бұрын
Good work on the time stamps, Tom Stamp
@betaich3 жыл бұрын
Tom Stamp doing the Time stamps there is a joke somewhere in there.
@tomstamp3 жыл бұрын
And the TomNail, and the Tedit haha
@gjermundhigraff77893 жыл бұрын
@@betaich Time Stamps is the plural of Tom Stamp. Or something like that.
@derekwhittle18853 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you released this before Lamborghini claimed a record. You may have saved them a lot of embarrassment.
@RobertMitchell3 жыл бұрын
Many asked why I posted it. I’d rather they know the world sees it before saying something that hurts themselves
@seanreynolds35353 жыл бұрын
@@RobertMitchell especially as they're no doubt going to benchmark it to our 620rs.
@nicocrinkleburg3 жыл бұрын
@@RobertMitchell “we are announcing a ‘Nurburgring Pack’ as a new factory option. Comes with gurney flaps, aero air dams, lexan windows, trofeo underbody & suspension, and get this, here’s the real kicker, a roll of duct tape.” 🤣😂 Edit: 🦆 tape
@RobertMitchell3 жыл бұрын
@@nicocrinkleburg exactly 🤣🤣🤣
@jailbreak12273 жыл бұрын
I don't even think they would have claimed a record. The car was perfectly modified to essentially replicate the new Super Trofeo race car, without looking like it on the outside. Why would Lamborghini, such a huge brand in the car world, throw away their entire reputation because of a simple lap record that can easily be debunked? It makes zero sense.
@iphoie3 жыл бұрын
You sir are no longer just Robert Mitchell. I shall refer to you from hence forth as Inspector Robert!!! 🔍 🕵️♂️
@Cowabunga463 жыл бұрын
Or Sherlock Mitchell ;-)
@einautofan66853 жыл бұрын
CSI Nordschleife!🤣
@Vgk363 жыл бұрын
Inspector chief to you buddy 😂
@LifeofPalos3 жыл бұрын
Excellent work dude.
@badboymorales3 жыл бұрын
Tier 1 media only here palos. Lol
@btcars3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see the video
@LifeofPalos3 жыл бұрын
@@badboymorales UGH SO TRUE.
@tylerhartman33273 жыл бұрын
we already know that this is gonna be covered in your video tonight, interested to see your take on this issue now that the video is out
@jonasthemovie3 жыл бұрын
@@southbeach09 Weird introduction, but ok, it was nice to hear a little bit about you.
@martinwgnr3 жыл бұрын
I'll leave the rumour here, that they wanted to give their drivers additional testing kilometres in advance of the 24h race. That's why the car was modified to be as close to a Trofeo as possible without being obviously visually a Trofeo. 😅
@RobertMitchell3 жыл бұрын
🤣
@uraniumcranium26133 жыл бұрын
Do you know who the drivers are?
@martinwgnr3 жыл бұрын
@@uraniumcranium2613 are you aware I didn't meant this serious? I don't know who the drivers were. That was just a joke
@uraniumcranium26133 жыл бұрын
All good man, you obviously weren't aware that i knew that you weren't being serious, I was just asking a question.
@martinwgnr3 жыл бұрын
@@uraniumcranium2613 😄👍
@Frodokeuh3 жыл бұрын
Lamborghini: quick robert is on vacation lets do a cheating lap. Robert: well well well not so fast i have eyes on the ground and i brought my tier one gear with me. xD
@TheBongReyes3 жыл бұрын
That was my first thought too. Haha
@heeryanus3 жыл бұрын
Earlier today, italians claimed that 'The gearbox was inspected thoroughly and proved all fine, Charles Leclerc will start from pole' and we all know how that went
@eichler7213 жыл бұрын
Well the gearbox was fine. They just skipped the connection portion that drives the wheels.
@jerrycansmashit99653 жыл бұрын
Tier 1 journalism from mr Mitchell let's see what this manufacturer does with this report...fantastic motoring content as always...
@thibaultvanrennetvr3 жыл бұрын
has he also reported about the GT2RS record being a mockery ? they did exactly the same, modified the car and used race fuel. Sent the car with 8 technicians and gave the car more power, more camber and many more adjustments just to break lambo's record with the performante.
@jerrycansmashit99653 жыл бұрын
@@thibaultvanrennetvr you will find that the record of gt2rs was done way before lambo decided to put cars on track and for your information the car your talking about is the mantey racing gt2rs which is the modified record...
@thibaultvanrennetvr3 жыл бұрын
@@jerrycansmashit9965 first the performante did its record lap, then porsche brought the GT2 RS, they upped the HP to 720 to beat it. they also used race fuel, camber tires etc, that are also non standard. I am not talking about Manthey.
@rhabeldibabeldi68123 жыл бұрын
Everyone talking about some controvers, I´m just sitting there like "damn, that was a nice move!" ( 13:05 the guy on the left stacking the tires )
@RobertMitchell3 жыл бұрын
Hehehhe
@JR90.3 жыл бұрын
Their parent company "changed" vehicles emissions, so nothing would surprise me.
@JoeAchilles13 жыл бұрын
Here we go 🙌
@einautofan66853 жыл бұрын
AMG One for the win! Nuff said!😉😎🤣
@CP-vg4vy3 жыл бұрын
@@einautofan6685 The black series is enough imo😂 So sad to see Lambo do this, they should take notes from AMG record run.
@einautofan66853 жыл бұрын
@@CP-vg4vy IMO Lamborghini is trying to set a new record lap at the "wrong" time... I mean, AMG One is allready testing there too...😉 AMG One will easily outperform Huracan STO! But it looks like Lamborghini is trying to cheat again...🙄 Come on, is this necessary, Lamborghini? How naive are they? Robert Mitchell from Apex&CSI Nordschleife see's everything!😉🤣
@CP-vg4vy3 жыл бұрын
@@einautofan6685 When do you think is the right time then? Aren’t they already doomed, we all know STO time isnt gonna get anywhere near AMG One and BS still have some seconds to make up for.
@th3b0untyhunter3 жыл бұрын
@@einautofan6685 is the AMG One considered a production car though ? Limited to only 275 units Will be hand built on a one by one basis, not on a production line Etc etc
@CCBGroupe3 жыл бұрын
Man, I wish u were involved with YT and the Nürburgring earlier, to help us see and understand some of the other cars when they were out, lapping the ring in pursuit of record times like gtr, 918, and some others
@vipecrx3 жыл бұрын
Well, the gtr was debunked at the time.
@warrenfletcher42403 жыл бұрын
The sto isn't being sold yet I don't think, perhaps these differences are final production stuff or perhaps the one with the differences is a track only model?
@lorenzorusso53753 жыл бұрын
It’s been sold, some models have been spotted here in Italy
@AJpro883 жыл бұрын
all i took from this video is that a black and yellow STO looks so much better than the tacky blue and orange from the press release..
@carlosduarte_CD3 жыл бұрын
Lamborghini forgot that “The Internet” knows and sees everything!
@RobertMitchell3 жыл бұрын
Internet got eyes into he back of its head
@carlosduarte_CD3 жыл бұрын
@@RobertMitchell That’s probably a ST...Ohhhh shit, we are screwed!!
@sylvandespres76543 жыл бұрын
the inyternet especially the automotive crowd is sometimes full of it, creating storms in glasses of water so they can look as ',expert''', which they're not at all,at best well informed automobile fans.
@RobertMitchell3 жыл бұрын
@@sylvandespres7654 deep
@carlosduarte_CD3 жыл бұрын
@@sylvandespres7654 Storm in a glass of water? They will need a huge glass for this one...
@pro123123 жыл бұрын
The fact that Lamborghini is owned by Audi owned by vw gives me really some dieselgate vibes here XD
@Yizify3 жыл бұрын
But then so is Porsche and they’re not cheating
@vipecrx3 жыл бұрын
@@Yizify they're owned but still separate entities to a point. Donut media made a video on porsche recently, there's some history in there that will help understand the relationship vw-porsche
@AB-80X3 жыл бұрын
Forget VAG. This is Wolfgang Dürheimer levels of sneaky-sneaky...
@Stigs7223 жыл бұрын
This is a tier 1 analysis
@Shifty_Malone3 жыл бұрын
Still the best STO spec that I've seen so far. Even if it's not a real STO.
@donburton50583 жыл бұрын
"There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." Oscar Wilde. Is the market that competitive?
@vladbibea56763 жыл бұрын
My respect for you cannot be measured. Please keep going Robert, the internet needs you!
@mrmeowchow853 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more, the internet most definitely does need him.
@RobertMitchell3 жыл бұрын
Thank you guys ❤️🤣
@randomperson16143 жыл бұрын
Lamborghini loves special editions. This could be a new version where they remove more stuff like the motors for the window, race fuel etc and charge an extra 100,000 euros.
@RobertMitchell3 жыл бұрын
It might be now🤣
@OldManRoo3 жыл бұрын
I have no doubt about your observations, Robert. It's just up to Lamborghini to explain what they were doing.
@msing4003 жыл бұрын
As an engineer we often test “production” model to identify possible improvements or a limited addition higher performance variant. I would give them the benefit of the doubt in this case simply because you don’t know the purpose of the session.
@lukashoppmann72923 жыл бұрын
But a Timing session (where the STnO was run) means spending much more money for being able to do the same things as in industry pool if you just want to test something. Since I don't belive a multi billion dollar company is likely to basically burn money for absolutely no reason - I'd suggest they used the Friday session for a lap record attempt.
@cutdepiefails65963 жыл бұрын
But again it was a time session, for records, you can test & try potential improvements on industry pool without any need to do a record lap, plus you don't even need the nurburgring to trial, nurburgring usually is for final version testing or suspension testing, but then again in the industry pool not in time record slots.
@captain_context99913 жыл бұрын
As for the legitimacy of the SSC... This thing where people say its not a "production car" because they haven't made 20, 50, 100 units... Is a total internet myth. Got nothing to do with the road legality of the vehicle. If you make a kit-car in your own garage, its a kit-car. Even if you make 50 of them. What makes the SSC Tuatara NOT a production car is that they have never done the steps... No crash testing, no emissions, no "federalisation" of any kind. And that's OK in the US. There are many ways to get numberplates on anything. Register it as a kit-car, or... As Hennessey and SSC does, Also SCG. Cameroon Glickenhaus, register it with show & display numberplates. Then its road legal only to drive to a car show and back home from a car show. But, hey... Its America so who cares. But in doing so, they are doing themselves a huge disservice in not going all-in and not ever establishing a lasting, real supercar brand that can stand alongside the big names. If you're not on public record as a production car should be, then you are not a production car. As for this thing... It looks like a raced-up development car. And that's... No good if they want to use it to set records. I don't mind a bit of tape or other minor tweaks. I mean... Any customer could do that themselves for a track day if it really makes a difference. As for tweaks and mods... Corvette ZR1 and Cadillac did that. After the 2008 US car collapse, Obama told them to be "internationally competitive" to deserve the 100 billion dollar bailout packages. So off they went to the Nurburgring to claim woooorld records. But the cars were as "showroom stock" as Lance Armstrong at Tour d France. The very few pictures that exist of those events show stripped-out development cars full of wires and computers. With racing harnesses and a bunch of visible mods. And like you say. Why would it have stopped there. They werent showroom cars at all. I seriously hope Lambo is above this. But also... Back in the day, anyone could get away with anything. You rented the track, everybody went home, nobody cared. But today. Isnt there a Nurburgring governing body that is supposed to take care of these events and make sure the cars are within limits?
@RobertMitchell3 жыл бұрын
You are correct. There were many examples of what people didn’t like about ssc having the world record. Homolgation federally was only one of them. The Nürburgring is going to have to step up and validate the authenticity of these cars for sure
@captain_context99913 жыл бұрын
@@RobertMitchell I thought there was already a sort of governing body on the Ring that did that. I have seen somebody talk about it in a KZfaq video. Some crazy Russian called Misha Charoudin or something. You may have heard of him. Which I thought was a good idea. To preserve health & safety as well as the Rings reputation.
@RobertMitchell3 жыл бұрын
@@captain_context9991 I think everyone was under the impression that their control was a little bit better than it is
@captain_context99913 жыл бұрын
@@RobertMitchell MMmm I see. Well... Lets wait and see what happens.
@captain_context99913 жыл бұрын
@@RobertMitchell SO... Lamborghini has just released pictures of a Huracán Super Trofeo EVO2. And except for different front panels, its very similar to the car you guys have spotted. Essentially it’s the car that’ll be used in Lamborghini’s three continental one-make race series from 2022 onwards. So the car you have seen is probably the development mule for the 2022 Super Trofeo program.
@ericpisch27323 жыл бұрын
I can’t wait to see how many different laps they edit together to make the perfect lap like last time
@AB-80X3 жыл бұрын
I'm sure Misha will do his best to let us know lol.
@scottmuir23853 жыл бұрын
We have missed you Robert!
@jassi_ahluwalia3 жыл бұрын
Amazing to see you back Robert! We were missing you since a real long time. And you came back with a big BAANG! 🔥🔥
@antares_racing3 жыл бұрын
Hats off to fact-based calling out of BS. Lamborghini’s made a mockery of lap videos before. If they can’t do an honest lap and again, there’s no point in heeding anything they publish. Good work. BRAVO Rob.
@PaganiZondaF650hp3 жыл бұрын
Good work pointing out all those details, but I don’t think they used a real super trofeo. That would be too bold and the work they would have to do to make it look/sound streetish would be off the charts: replace straight cut gearbox, replace race brakes with ceramics, replace the doors, make the interior look like the normal sto. Very likely suspension and underside areo mods but getting a glimpse of the inside of the doors and dashboard in the lexan-side-window-shot they didn’t seem to have gone full insane. Besides it is already a big step from just speeding up record lap footage to actually making a highly modified car do a record lap time
@RobertMitchell3 жыл бұрын
I don’t necessarily think that they took a race car either. I’m just giving food for thought at that point
@Dan_AYP3 жыл бұрын
I saw a laptop, a 102 octane fuel and alot more aero than the photographed car claimed to be the sto
@Scuderia2000HD3 жыл бұрын
I think in some parts of Europe 102 octane fuel is sold at the pump, but not many. Here in the UK 99 is the highest I know of that is sold at the pump. But the other changes are certainly misleading if the car does end up taking the record!
@Dan_AYP3 жыл бұрын
@@Scuderia2000HD yeah mate but if you make a production car that only runs 102 and only 1 pump in the UK offers ot (bp near silverstone) you're not providing a time the production car can do in normal circumstances rather. What it can do with a race team and bespoke fuel for the test... it makes the point(to be the quickest car you can buy) of the timed lap irrelevant
@Scuderia2000HD3 жыл бұрын
@@Dan_AYP yes exactly, I wonder how many of the lap record cars have been running 102 octane fuel, my guess is quite a few if not all in recent years!
@tommihommi13 жыл бұрын
well in the US you can buy E85 at some gas stations
@Dan_AYP3 жыл бұрын
@@Scuderia2000HD makes me sad... I kinda wish homologation specials were all that could race if its based on a road car... more things like the group b cars and things like the yaris gr would be alot more plentiful. Like if nascar was still a stock car race based on the production models, they'd be so much more advanced for performance cars and we'd have a huge split between economy cars and performance oriented cars
@sadidijoshua14233 жыл бұрын
was already on my way to bed when i saw the notification that Robert had (finally) uploaded some content so guess who's staying up an extra 30 minutes 😹
@bmahoney15683 жыл бұрын
Remember the front splitter on the merc black series was also not street legal but was used for their record run.
@AP13P3 жыл бұрын
Yet no mention from the german shills like Misha and Robert, just saying.
@hmd62023 жыл бұрын
How can you hate on what Robert is saying? This man is simply stating facts, that's it. Incredible research and very well articulated.
@simonjones79243 жыл бұрын
I’m going with Lamborghini valuing the marketing hype of a Nurburgring lap record, and therefore doing some R&D into what it would take in terms of modifications and cost to produce an ultra limited run STO ‘evo’ to go after a record.
@RobertMitchell3 жыл бұрын
It’s a stretch 🤣
@Samson444443 жыл бұрын
Lamborghini 🤝 sketchy lap times. Name a more iconic duo
@sylvandespres76543 жыл бұрын
'''laurel and hardy''''
@marcnobel39383 жыл бұрын
I was so waiting for that Video! Great that it is finally there! Let`s see what happens now.
@christiand9103 жыл бұрын
To think a certain journalist was blatantly accusing ferrari these kinds of notorious approach in producing numbers years ago. But now others are doing this as well just to produce certain numbers that a customer wouldn't even be able to produce in a single track day. Thank you Rob for doing this video it really enlightens everyone that manufacturers' lap times should be taken with a grain of salt as some manufacturers will go to lengths(modifications) just to say their car is the "fastest" around the ring.
@boprendergast24323 жыл бұрын
They probably was going to try to pass it on until you call everything poor Lamborghini
@rodneyyy953 жыл бұрын
It's been a while, but it's good to see you back again Robert!
@cyrusfarzin3892 жыл бұрын
This video might be the reason why we never saw any NRING times for the STO. Nice work, Robert!
@RobertMitchell2 жыл бұрын
100% the reason
@cyrusfarzin3892 жыл бұрын
@@RobertMitchell 😁
@thugnasty84003 жыл бұрын
Great analysis, I would have not caught that. Could you also analyze the Performante lap record from back in the day. I remember people said it was sus but I never thought anything of it until now. I hope it's genuine and not like this run where we don't know what's being tested.
@hamzasherazi93343 жыл бұрын
Robert back again with another banger. You have done a great job identifying all of this possible "trickery". As a lambo fanboy I do hope that they have a logical explanation to counter all of these points. The STO does mean 'Super Trofeo Omologato'. Btw watching this late as a way of protesting for the lack of activity on the channel.
@rafifyaristyan83113 жыл бұрын
Lamborghini has definitely been caught in 4K hahaha
@RobertMitchell3 жыл бұрын
🤣
@alianjumdar3 жыл бұрын
Robert, I will speak for the true car guys here. You are a bright spot on social media. Honest and true. We have to hold car manufacturer's accountable. I have a friend that owns a 911.2 GT2RS, a 488 Pista coupe and a Lamborghini Performante. We took all three to a local track where the new Ford GT was tested over and over again. Calabogie Motorsports Park. We actually joked about how there is no way the PIsta or the Performante can even come close to touching at the GT2RS at the track. It is in a different league. Lamborghini records have always been a joke to our circle of friends. The Performate had a hard time keeping to my friends bone stock 991.1 GT3RS lol. We need to expose them!
@slimjimkirky863 жыл бұрын
Absolute mad lad. A 7+ year old chassis with an NA motor will usually limit tunability. Good on Lamborghini for making a great sports car, but there's no chance this chassis can continue to break records in stock trim. Great work, Robert.
@LearningFast3 жыл бұрын
Great video. However, there could be a benefit to race fuel without changing the mapping. Knock is almost directly dependent on intake temperatures. If your intake temperatures are unusually high then the stock engine might begin to knock at its limits. They could have used the race fuel to make sure that the stock engine hit its absolute limits even if temperatures were very high. Do you know if it was a warm or cold day there? This still would be considered a “modification” but it is possible that they saw a benefit from race gas without changing the map of the car.
@RobertMitchell3 жыл бұрын
It was a cool day. Not warm in Germany yet :-)
@andrelakay47503 жыл бұрын
Hi Robert. Was waiting on this video. Well spoken, waiting on Lamborghini, s next move. Well done sir.
@simonh3 жыл бұрын
Observing the experiment changed the experiment. We'll now never know if Lamborghini were going to attempt to deceive and I'm quite certain Nurburgring will now never endorse an STO time from Friday's timed laps. I don't disagree with any of your observations, nor any of your caveats, but a significant part of me wishes you had said nothing until Lamborghini and/or Nurburgring completed making their move. Respect.
@AB-80X3 жыл бұрын
Here's an interesting thing to add about timing for race fuel. No matter the fuel and octane, an engine has a point where timing will not add more power. If that timing can be reached with pump fuel, then race fuel will never do anything. However, if the engine runs on say 100 RON with 24 degrees of timing being on the limit of knock, and 32 degrees will make more power, then yes race fuel will work for more power. But if the engine makes the most power at 24 degrees then 32 will just hurt power. Timing is very dependent on the design of the combustion chamber, valve event timing, the piston, the quench etc. Some cars will benefit from more timing and some even with race fuel, but others will not. Just a bit of trivia:-)
@tommygearhart46513 жыл бұрын
I have a 2011 997.2 C4S. I’ve locked the breaks on that car before. It has fully functional ABS, but there is a point when decelerating very quickly where even with abs the momentum of the car is still stronger than the ability of the abs to keep the wheels turning when I’m standing on the brake pedal. I love all your points, and maybe 10 year newer abs systems have improved even further, but I have experienced brake lock up on a passenger car with ABS.
@MartlRS3 жыл бұрын
Had it too with ABS cars.
@jjvega19983 жыл бұрын
In my experience, braking cars with ABS results in quick cycling of the braking pressure as the system tries to find the optimal brake point, what I mean by this is the brakes lock up for a short period of time, then the pressure is reduced, then increased again until it locks up, resulting in rapid multiple lock ups, unlike the warm up video where the brakes are locked up consistently, I don't know if your experience was different but I believe that real ABS would have resulted in multiple puffs of smoke rather than a longer one.
@tommygearhart46513 жыл бұрын
@@jjvega1998 That makes sense, unless like me, the driver feels the lock up and lets off the pedal, and then presses down again. I'm just not good at trusting the system when I feel the lock.
@fogdood68683 жыл бұрын
Those trees behind you are so nice. What a nice place to be in.
@Shawn-ne6ld3 жыл бұрын
Florida Palms💯🇺🇸
@velvetjones18563 жыл бұрын
The skeptics (not me) will say that the folks making these comments are KZfaqrs and we should wait for experienced Tier 1 Media, especially Motor Trend, to make comments. I agree with Schmee, let's hope the manufacturer is not trying to do some sort of scam. It is either a production car as delivered to the public (MB GT Black) or a modified car (Porsche GT2RS MR). I questioned how many cars must be built to be classified as a production car. I cannot find where SSC has built more than one car. Bugatti and others make a base car and then modified models of that so there may be hundreds. It seems that the FIA requires 2500 cars to be built to be homologated. Wouldn't an FIA GT3 race car be allowed to have ABS? Missed your comments and insights on things. You are able to explain things where anyone can understand. Is this from your new place in Florida? Looks like there are boat docks there too. Nice.
@ChefTamable3 жыл бұрын
You need to disect UFO videos. 😂
@anotherpointlessvideo36543 жыл бұрын
UFOs and UAPs are Lambo STOs all taped up and using Lexan to save weight. Presumably ABS was tweaked to allow them to do those crazy turns in flight
@connorleeduckworth89523 жыл бұрын
“The Friday special” 😂
@miguelbermudez48863 жыл бұрын
When they release the time of the aventador svj, I dindt trust then. Unless there is independent people like Robert. Nice video.
@saheel18503 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure they used an SVJ with a stripped interior and roll cage for their record
@miguelbermudez48863 жыл бұрын
Diferentes suspension, brakes aerodynamics.............
@saheel18503 жыл бұрын
@@miguelbermudez4886 yeah it’s fucked up
@FastTeam113 жыл бұрын
The Performante time was infamously sketchy and now this. I always thought the SVJ time was kind of unrealistic having in mind, that Aventadors always were pretty shitty track cars (very underwhelming in other track-tests on yt) and what a beast the GT2 RS is.
@teabaggins35173 жыл бұрын
The only youtube channel I watch these days. Great content and I like the calm vibe of your videos with no bullshit.
@th3b0untyhunter3 жыл бұрын
Very good Clouseau, the thing is though they could well have been simply trying to test and benchmark something similar to a Weissach Pack or even looking to see what modifications do what on the laptime. As you rightly point out the visible changes are clear for all to see - especially the gurney flap and lexan windows. This makes it impossible for them to have ever claimed this as a production car record so your video whilst clever and accurate in many ways is also presumptive and a shot in the dark.
@raulouros75453 жыл бұрын
#TierOne analysis of sketchy record attempts did anyone had a close look at the tires? I think we could call this the STO DT edition with all that duct tape
@jackmandallwilson3 жыл бұрын
Probably because the Perf lap was so obviously a mess; best parts of the lap stitched together, and sped up in places, etc. They have to go flat out this time to make it look like the STO is worth it.
@reno9k3 жыл бұрын
no
@mikeincognito3 жыл бұрын
This is the scientific way of saying....dont try to bs us.....you have an army of engineers....we have a Robert.
@NoHope_3 жыл бұрын
i have not watched the full video and 100% do not know most of whats happening tbh but, is it possible that this is another situation where everyone thought lambo took a heavily modified huracan to the ring and set an insane record and everyone was complaining about this same thing, then they came out with the performante which turned out to be the "heavily modified" huracan people were seeing
@RobertMitchell3 жыл бұрын
No. Not possible. They have since retracted the lap and canceled the record run
@NoHope_3 жыл бұрын
@@RobertMitchell I see, in that case I'm 100% with you on this, very suspect from Lamborghini.
@marcnobel39383 жыл бұрын
Telefon Rings "Yes! Hello! Stephan Winkelmann here!" -Silence- "Hello? Stephan Winkelmann here!" At the other End: HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA - You will never get a real lap together! HA HA HA ... "Andreas? Andreas Preuninger? Is that you? - Beeeeeeppppp- Telefon Rings again "Andreas! Stop it!" "Andreas who? Philipp Schiemer here from AMG!" "How can I help you?" "Just wanted to know if we can share the session next week. We want to do a dry lap with the GTR Black for fun and ..." - Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeepppp
@larsw44323 жыл бұрын
Brilliant! 😂
@Stigs7223 жыл бұрын
Robert: “yo Lamborghini you’re cheating” Lamborghini: “copy we are checking. Slow button on”.
@RobertMitchell3 жыл бұрын
The internet knows what’s up
@joobaggs68863 жыл бұрын
Would be sweet if they called this specially modified version the STOP...Super Trofeo Omologata Perfermonte!
@johnrafferty79723 жыл бұрын
Wow wow wow. Our whole office came to a standstill watching this video just now! I can only imagine the head scratching going on at Lamborghini HQ right now lol. Really great stuff again Mr Mitchell!
@RobertMitchell3 жыл бұрын
Thank you John!! Sorry for the pause in productivity there
@gabrielsanchex3 жыл бұрын
Lamborghini could pull a fast one and sell the differences as "options" or a "super trofeo/track pack"
@RobertMitchell3 жыл бұрын
They should. Now that they know what we know they can make all the moves they need to save face and I’m GOOD w that
@sylvandespres76543 жыл бұрын
yeah lol. the option pack would be a lexan panel,some stashe for the rear wing,and a drum of 102 octane fuel which you can find at any racetracks LOL
As multi Lamborghini owner and being biased, I do agree with your observations. Many valid points. I do hope they will play fair. If the car does set record but fails to set similar great times at Laguna Seca or Big Willow, your thinking will proven to be correct.
@tdlaustralia77913 жыл бұрын
I think they got caught out. Traditional tier 1 media would never have said anything for fear of losing future access but now anyone can call them out this will probably disappear.
@jrchismorie3 жыл бұрын
Always great insight from Robert!
@DontPanicDear3 жыл бұрын
I’m just waiting for Motor Trend to cover the story 🤓
@RobertMitchell3 жыл бұрын
Oh dear
@Yachtzeee3 жыл бұрын
No manufacturer is safe from this man’s honesty and integrity.
@Clipsbydominik3 жыл бұрын
the clientele who buy street lambos will believe everything they are told and for the ride in the first gear through the shopping street the STO is definitely enough. Very few of these vehicles will ever see a racetrack.
@swanblake3 жыл бұрын
Personally I would have waited until they do set a lap time and see what they used. I think this might be a lot about nothing. Have faith Robert. Call them out when it actually occurs and not when everything is unofficial
@RobertMitchell3 жыл бұрын
I’d rather point it out now so they don’t claim a lap time and then we call them out for BS. I’d rather see them do NOTHING and not try to deceive us. I don’t want to call out A lie I’d rather see one doesn’t get made. Looks better for Lambo this way vs sitting and waiting for claims and debunking them. That’s sort of entrapment
@markhodge73 жыл бұрын
Robert pulls on Superman's cape :)
@airjerden3 жыл бұрын
It does raise a major question mark when a major Manufacturer like Lamborghini does this kind of thing. Your analysis of two of the ‘same’ cars would be impossible for somebody uninformed with this kind of stuff to even remotely recognise, and that surely raises concern from a customer perspective if the car they’re buying isn’t what it’s supposed to be; so props for bringing this to light as myself and thousands of other viewers would have been oblivious whether we could afford one or not. Maybe they’re not doing a record as you said, and perhaps they’re testing a more finalised spec of the car prior to its release, but also to use equipment that won’t be on a production car is also even more questionable like the lexan etc. A weird approach, but hopefully Lamborghini are testing bits n bobs, maybe for developments in wider areas, and won’t be flexing the record in a non production model. I agree though, as it currently stands I can’t see this car beating any records unless they up the power and add the bits n bobs mentioned today (optimistic at that point too). Excited to see what they do as they’re always a contender at the NB-NS so hopefully it’s not a frankenmule, and the real deal!
@kaipmw42043 жыл бұрын
I feel like Robert is the most honest, genuine and nicest guy on this platform
@lambullshit78573 жыл бұрын
My man Robert calling out the Lambullshit, no pun intended
@jassi_ahluwalia3 жыл бұрын
Robert, if Lamborghini is bringing a modified STO to do a lap time, they must have modified the SVJ for sure because there is no video to check the analytics of the lap time. They must have done the same with Aventador too. And no picture of which car they used for the lap time. That’s really really disappointing.
@coach40503 жыл бұрын
THIS IS SO SATISFACTORY
@franciscomarchese42903 жыл бұрын
Love the youtube tier 1 press, ´ve been a really big fan of your insights and review Robert, for sure one of my favorite channels ;)
@benrogers83153 жыл бұрын
Use the spec to open a new Skunkworks class to all Manufacturers and see what the rest can do. Be good to see Ferrari's effort.
@reno9k3 жыл бұрын
Every manufacturer does stuff like this for 'ring record runs. I'm sure if Lamborghini offered you a flight out to Italy, you would change your opinion in an instant just as you did with SSC.
@RobertMitchell3 жыл бұрын
Lol. SSC F’d up big time and still has not fully redeemed themselves in my book. I have spent 10k of my OWN money to go watch their run attempts and it’s not gotten to the point yet where they have accomplished what they said they’ve did in the first place. Critical thinking is key, you missed it. I’ve spent more in air travel than I have earned in youtube money to witness ssc attempt to work back to the levels they claimed day one.
@reno9k3 жыл бұрын
@@RobertMitchell Well at least that is good to hear, as I believed your more recent videos on the topic were hypocritical. So long as there wasn't any financial incentive, which you probably don't need in hindsight now that I think about it :^), the videos following that little saga came off as if you had gone from a neutral standpoint to suddenly favouring SSC. In that perspective it made this video seem unjust which is why I came in with some low octane and poured it out. On topic of the video: 1. Every manufacturer does this, except for Porsche perhaps. 2. Why did so few question the Nissan GT-R's ring record? 3. Why did so many question the Huracan's first ring record?
@RobertMitchell3 жыл бұрын
@@reno9k Porsche and AMG seem to be clean at the moment... we cannot verify their power levels however!! Yeah, SSC hasn’t paid me a cent. I stated very clearly my disbelief in our opening videos. My position is that I want to share what’s happening as it’s happening but it be the judge and or jury. I want to stay neutral as thing progress and not contradict any statements that I made in the beginning as they all still good true. Regarding Nissan.. I’m sure if they ran records now we would look at them. while intriguing I’m not sure I have the energy to look at 14 year old lap time drama. Another reason why I’m not going back is that the Nürburgring finally has a new lap timing system in place to keep things honest. The only thing they’re lacking is having a control in place to prove that the car which is run is the car that customers cab buy. Once that is in place I feel we will have less to scrutinize when a “record” attempt is run.
@victorrosenbaum85883 жыл бұрын
Lamborghini executive’s watching this like 👁👄👁
@HDistant3 жыл бұрын
I don't know why Lamborghini does this, not just with the STO but both of the Aventador SV and the SVJ were modified, it's not like people view them as record breaking cars like Porsche but fun crazy over the top Italian exotics, they would be selling those cars like hotcake without all this deceiving shit.
@nickalappat26873 жыл бұрын
I don’t think they would use that car as the timing car lmao, they are too big of a corporation to do something like that
@budokpantai3 жыл бұрын
VW was sued billions for cheating emissions tests, this is nothing to them.
@nickalappat26873 жыл бұрын
@@budokpantai Lamborghini is under Audi Vw owns Audi, Audi owns Porsche lambo and Bentley
@budokpantai3 жыл бұрын
@@nickalappat2687 I know they have VW backing them up, that's why I said this is not even comparable to what VW have done. This doesn't mean I am 100% agree that they were trying to cheat tho. Without any statement from Lamborghini, anything said about the lap timing session will stay as speculations.
@sooofancier3 жыл бұрын
Robert... I was not expecting you would make a video🤣🤣😂 And even though, i am NOT here before you, im still here before Misha and Tim. Lol
@mgcharoudin3 жыл бұрын
Try again
@sooofancier3 жыл бұрын
@@mgcharoudin SHIT
@robertstarczewski3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha
@mr_exia3 жыл бұрын
The mistake made by the Nurburgring authorities is to have initially implied that the Manthey GT2 RS time was Ok. Now that leaves a huge gray area for others, and it creates incredible confusion in the minds of people who are not specifically informed. I think only times of "OEM" cars should be validated.
@LapoftheWorld3 жыл бұрын
Maybe it comes with a Demon-style crate with a bunch of tools, lexan windows, gurney flaps, foam air duct plugs, extra ECU/TCU for race fuel and ABS, and a very expensive roll of racers' tape? (but seriously, nice spot on this one, will be curious to see/hear the explanation if one is actually put forth).
@MegaSasukeAmaterasu3 жыл бұрын
Your claims are only just that, claims. Everything you pointed out can be modified by any car brand. Including your beloved Porsche. I believe almost every car that makes a record attempt at the track is NOT STOCK.
@RobertMitchell3 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣 MY beloved Porsche? In a recent video I was Called a Porsche hater. You missed the part where I asked for critical thinking and came in here with far less than that. One point about all cars not being stock... this COULD be and it needs to be corrected. This however is pushing it a bit far.
@MegaSasukeAmaterasu3 жыл бұрын
@@RobertMitchell can any car brand modify their cars?
@timberlinecline36673 жыл бұрын
Welcome back now do what you do best and make Lamborghini understand that nobody is invincible when it comes to cheating
@MegaSturrup3 жыл бұрын
Robert Mitchell you have an attention to detail second to none… I thought perhaps the car not being fully painted like a road going car would be was one of them but I was way off maybe haha
@adlibbed21383 жыл бұрын
that run was even done when several cars like AMG One, 911s, Bugattis, and even a Hyundai and the buffed up GRMN Yaris we're still on the track which means it's just theoretically impossible to achieve such record
@Stigs7223 жыл бұрын
Sorry Robert I only trust Motor Trend you’re just a KZfaqr
@larsw44323 жыл бұрын
🤔🤔🎉🤗😄😂🤣
@TowPiglet3 жыл бұрын
Could they sell this as an optional package?
@micros953 жыл бұрын
Yes they could, look at other manufacturer. But i'm not shure if this still would count as a stock car even with parts from Lamborghini.
@th3b0untyhunter3 жыл бұрын
Yes, Porsche for example offer a Weissach pack for GT2 RS and GT3 RS and they are considered stock cars
@drepark22943 жыл бұрын
@@th3b0untyhunter they won’t meet road car safety standards etc.
@nickholbrook34543 жыл бұрын
@@drepark2294 and you know this how? Gurney Flaps Sealed vents Lexan windows Are all things that other manufacturers offer from time to time
@drepark22943 жыл бұрын
@@nickholbrook3454 lmaoooo, he literally bender the window in, do you really think that will pass safety standards, LOL use your brain. It’s okay to be a lambo fan but they are massive cheaters.
@huxleyorwellrand31373 жыл бұрын
Once again the most authoritative supercar voice on KZfaq. Fine work. Considering VW doesn’t really have a clean record when it comes to cheating, this is to be expected. They are totally sketchy.