Quiting is quiting no excuse .

Duran one of the greatest ever

That was Leonard’s strategy. Catch him out of shape.

You never give up unless you are injured or doing something where you could be seriously injured.

End of the day it's Duran's fault he let himself get out of shape and let himself get into in a position where he decided to quit. That being said, some things we can gather are: 1. Duran in Montreal and Duran in New Orleans had two very different levels of focus and fitness. 2. Leonard did not want any parts of a fully fit Duran in the rematch and deliberately pushed for a fight with a compromised Duran.

Carlos Palomino...un gran boxeador y persona muy inteligente ...honesta...!!!

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Ray didn’t move much the 1st fight. Ray stood in there the 2nd fight Ray turned to money may.

Same thing happened with ruiz ( party and drink )

Where was Duran's management?! Are you serious! You're gonna let your fighter fight under such physical duress...they were foolish, greedy, over confident...oh well...they tarnished an all-time great...and Duran should have known better...it still pisses me off till this day!

No mas fight was a set up. If Duran was American.. they would've found a way to postpone that fight.

Who is this guy talking? Never saw him before

Yeah, Shoulda coulda woulda now explain the 3rd fight since he was aware of his mistake he made during the 2nd fight

The last part was so stupid... "He was eating steak and drinking orange juice that can give you diarrhea" uhhhh I dare somebody to go eat 3 Steaks you gonna be plugged up! Kind of a pointless comment!

YUP, like Hector says, Duran trained for almost "5" months for the first fight w/ Ray. He was so chiseled and his cardio and overall motivation was the highest it had been since the rematch w/ DeJesus ! But, Here's a part of the story NO ONE has heard but Jim Jacobs, me and a few others, Roberto and Felicidad among them obviously...Jesus I hope I dont get killed for sayin all this..Its been YEARS man....OK, here goes. I used to buy and trade fight films w/ Jimmy as he had at that time the most comprehensive boxing library in existence. I bought some old fight films from Jim and we talked on the phone a few times, but I had never "met" him yet. Jim was a "Class Act", a true gentleman in an unsavory world, and was respected by everyone. He helped Mike Tyson out a lot at one point and was universally loved, seriously...So anyway I find out he's in town and Im looking to get some old films of Olivares and he winds up coming to one of my gigs so we end up meeting in person in California. The band goes on break I sit down with Jimmy and the conversation turns inevitably to the subject of Roberto Duran. And we both agree he's the best light weight ever which sets the stage for our next dialogue, which was via telephone almost a decade later. This is what Promoter and a legend himself Jim Jacobs told me concerning that rematch with Ray. I will never forget it because, like I said, Jim "knew" I was a Duran fan from the old days, so he relished the conversation, and he told me Duran wept in the limo on the way to the airport after the rematch because he "KNEW" he hadnt been prepared and he KNEW "why".... So this is what Jacobs told me that night. Jim said that Duran literally had to take diuretics' and train in a rubber corset to make weight for the 2nd fight w/ Ray. He made "weight" but as they say "it wasnt GOOD weight"..... and here's what very few know....Duran's wife had a gambling issue and "they" , Roberto and his wife had an arrangement"...she didnt press him about his affairs and he didnt press her about her gambling... And thats how their marriage worked "at that time"....Anyway, Ray decides to fight Duran again and catch him out of shape because any real fight fan and fighter KNEW Duran at that stage of his life "blew up" after a big fight... Anyway, and Duran had blown up to 190+ before their 2nd fight. What Jimmy told "ME" was that Roberto's wife was into the mob and they were starting to press him for the $.So Eleta decides w/ Don King to make this money and of course this would help Duran out at the same time, and thats "WHY" the fight went down like it did. He told Freddie Brown to stop the fight after the 5th round because Duran "knew" he was unable to cut off the ring like he did in their first fight, because he was outta shape AND Ray was a lot more elusive then in their first fight, and Duran did NOT want to get embarrassed. He told Freddie Brown to "stop it" but Brown refused saying "The money's already in a bank in Panama, we'll never get out of here alive if we stop it" You beat Lou Bizzarro when you had diarrhea", and Roberto replied "this isnt Lou Bizzarro"! Duran fought the 6th and 7th and then when he returned to his corner again asked Brown to stop it and when he refused Duran said "if you dont stop the fight I will quit in the middle of the ring and then YOU can think of something to tell the world" Duran, the DURAN that beat Ray in Montreal, who trained for 4 and 1/2 months and was in such shape he came in 2 LBs "under" the welter limit, THAT Duran beats any welter alive at that time, including Hearn's. ANYONE ! ps. I have NO agenda here other than the truth and I will most likely erase this soon because it makes me nervous to repeat this shit on account I dont feel like gettin shot, but I SWEAR on all things Sacred AND Un-holy, THIS is what Jim said to me that night some 30 + years ago ! Perhaps Jim embellished some things, I cant say. It certainly wasnt like him to be anything but honest and dependable. Jim sadly passed away from leukemia some time ago but he was known as an honest, integral man in a shitty business and like I said, everyone liked him.Ask Iron Mike about Jim Jacobs, or Teddy Atlas.....or anyone who was around and is still alive who knew Jim.... Anyway, thats it Peace everyone, salud Roberto Duran !

Also seen other comments of this and I believe it to be true as same info I have also he had bad stomach from the incredible weight cut as he wasn’t training properly as rushed in to the fight and apparently when he farted and followed through a little in his shorts and obviously couldn’t say to ref I’ve shit myself he said no more and he got out quick as he could

Didnt hear excuses from sugar ray 🤷🏾‍♂️

Hermano NO MAS es NO MAS pero para mi Duran esta en los mejores 5 de todos los tiempos. Chaves se RAJO con Oscar en la segunda y por eso julio no deja de ser grande.

He got his Ass whooped, Sugar Ray could’ve came up with the bullshit excuse just face it Sugar Ray was the better fighter that night

The speed, style and athleticism of Sugar Ray in 2nd fight was best I have ever seen. I don't think it mattered what shape Duran came into that fight...that was Sugar Ray night.

At 4:44 it was nine years as opposed to seven and yes, Roberto was 38 by December of 1989 and appeared to want one more payday rather than be properly conditioned. At 4:47 Roberto was actually still 29 for the second fight. And I believe the story about diarrhea. That would have been too humiliating for him to continue. Not saying I condoned him quitting (that was unfathomable). He should have handled his training and diet with proper care. He spent the next 20 years erasing the shame of No Mas.

The only way yo beat Duran at this Time and Leonard knew that, un good shape Is goback to hell.

All i hear is excuses

Ray....why would anyone want to fight his biggest rival, when the rival wasn't at their best? Duran, a pure fighter with street smarts, never gave Ray the satisfaction of that 'win'. Ray even says it today, that the 2nd Duran fight is not a satisfying memory. Duran didn't give it to him and Ray knows he had to fight a lesser Duran, to 'win'. When they were both at their best, Duran wins. Ray cherry picked some more as he 'retired' a few times. Never fighting someone without having some sort of advantage. Tommy Hearns weighed in at 145, the morning of the fight, for their 1st fight. How does that happen? MONEY TALKS. I heard that Tommy was very upset about it, that was on Steward.

Duran QUIT...make all the excuses you want to try to rewrite history...he still said No Mas. Quitters never win.

The best Boxer ever

Duran had the greatest trainer ever in Freddie Brown, but he wouldn't always listen to him.

Years ago around 1991 I was dating a young lady from Brooklyn and her cousins told me the reason Duran quit on Sugar ray was that Duran had an upset stomach and farted and diarrhea was streaming down his s cheeks. I was surprised because they knew this to be a very tight secret and knew the people involved with Duran. With all my respect to The legend Duran I have heard through the years that indeed he was having stomach problems and this sort of made sense.

Duran looked like a raisin the second fight

Ray pushing for the rematch to be set quickly since he knew Duran was not gonna be ready is weak. It doesn’t prove to yourself that you overcame your opponent. I understand gamesmanship, ring size, the weight of the gloves to gain an edge. But pushing to make the fight quickly and knowing he was partying and etc. In my opinion it would not give me satisfaction. Maybe it was a business decision. I don’t feel that victory should be celebrated as much as it is or at all.

If we're to understand all of these comments; 1)Despite having made weightfor the fight...(!!!!!!!), it's Leonard's Fault if duran eat, drank, partied like crazy, And Leonard Planned to have the rematch so close to first one...Because he Knew that on the second fight he'd win by drawing circles around duran ..!!! 2) Not being able to catch Leonard, was Leonard's Fault because he refused to play the game of the first fight..( Where Leonard gave exactly as much if not Way More than he received...!!!!!) 3) duran during the first fight won on decision, yet in the eyes of all whites spectators and commentators, and sellout don kong, duran KOed Leonard at least 50 times during the fight...Poor duran was Obviously robbed and was Such a Classy guy (with comments on Leonard's wife, headbutting and elbowing during the fight; All Honorable traits and Worthy of a Great Champion that he was ..!!!) You people are 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

Out of shape 😂😂. Stop making excuses megos

They’re making excuses for Duran….

Duran, as a latino, was hyped to have won 1. He was our central american hero. He was ripped off.

Excuses, excuses...

So tired of the excuses being made. Let’s cover a few things here… 1. Duran knew when their next fight was, it’s not Sugar Rays fault. There was literally 5 months between both fights. Smh 2. Duran expected to give Leonard a beating but didn’t expect Leonard to move as much as he did. He got embarrassed and knew by the 7th round there was no way he was going to win the fight, so he QUIT. 3. Every time I turn around there’s a new excuse from someone else on why Duran quit. 🙄🙄🙄

I'm not taking nothin away from the legend of srl ok, well maybe I am lol...but he is not the better fighter to Duran...Srl was where the money was...not Duran ! Srl was set up to win just as mentioned below here. Boxing like most high stakes money sports, it's crooked. Srl always seemed to get concessions...look how long he made hearns wait for a rematch...look how long it took for a 3rd match between he and Duran....look at the concessions he received against hagler. You wanna see talent and a man born to fight, go watch Duran defeat Barkley ! Srl never fought Barkley, woulda been very interesting indeed.

Lmao excuses after excuses for Duran. If being the champ & staying the champ meant that much, stay in shape, or atleast stay more disciplined when not fighting

More excuses. He just got his ass whipped by a superior fighter. Ray Leonard before the retina tear is a greatest fighter in history.

Ohh c’mon …Excuses excuses . Not being in shape is no excuse . He knew he was genius beat. It was very close but I think surfer Ray won the first fight on points .

Bottom line: Duran QUIT.

That fight was set up for Leonard to regain the title without Ray they wouldn’t be that much money made Duran Hearn and Hagler would not generate that kind of money so yes that fight was set up for Ray to win

Stay ready so you don’t have to get ready. No excuses is why Mayweather is the best ever.

Okay enough with the excuses... Sugar Ray is better

Duran is and was better than sugar Ray. He beat him the first match. Then second match Roberto didn’t want that rematch that early, he wasn’t ready or training, he wasn’t hungry anymore, he wasn’t mad anymore, and that’s why he quit. Rather than losing to a guy he knows he’s better than

This is what ray wanted to do. Lie to himself and trick the naive dumb public into thinking he can beat Duran. When leanard knows he cannot. Durand team stabbed Duran in the back by signing the match behind his back and pocketed $2mill even tho they knew Duran was not ready. Boxing is a shady business. Duran didn’t even agree to the rematch but had no choice. He would lose his belt and the money. So he took it by force

Leanard bought the belt from duran. Duran didn’t want to let that type of money go. So he took the match even tho he wasn’t ready or in shape. Instead of losing to ray as he was paid to lose. Duran said nope I am not guna make myself look weak infront of everyone when he knows he’s better than Ray. So he just quit. That made him look worse tho which he found out later. Boxing is a dirty business and rigged and crooked just like american government. But at the end of the day Duran is better than ray obviously

Duran was great. Leonard was better. This is just a bunch of BS excuses to cover for Duran. He got his ass whipped by the better man that night. Do you have another excuse for the 3rd fight as well?