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Why I Don't Like Olympus 17mm F1.8?
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This channel has just hit 60k subs! Thank you all for the love, support and generosity all this while, I truly appreciate each and every one of you for being here! I continue my video podcast series #robinspeaks and this time I am answering some questions from my recent videos!
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1:39 Why I Dislike 17mm F1.8
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@mattisulanto Жыл бұрын
I used to own the Oly 17mm F1.8 and while I never probably loved it, I made some of my best photos on it. Great to see (hear) you speak out again😀 Who knows, maybe we'll get to shoot together again soon...
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Yeah there is nothing wrong with the lens, it is sharp, small, has fast AF, just something about it that I did not like
@mattisulanto Жыл бұрын
@@robinwong I know what you mean😀
@nathanmeyer6743 Жыл бұрын
Gotta say, the Olympus 17 1.8 is my favorite, but never warmed to the 25 1.8 plastic build quality. Personal feeling, both take great photos
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Build quality aside, the 25mm does render some very beautiful images
@ThatMicro43Guy Жыл бұрын
Hi Robin. Well, this is why I enjoy people like yourself, you are happy to say what you really think, something I always try to do in my videos. On this one I’m the polar opposite to you in the Olympus 17mm f1.8, I adore it, it’s my favourite M43 prime. I’ve said that many times on my channel. So who’s right and who’s wrong? Well, we both are. And that’s good and how it should be. Yes, we can disagree on social media but no trolling or nastiness and I’m really happy at that. I love hearing peoples reasons on why they see something different to me and you always give reasoned arguments. Keep making your videos, keep giving your honest opinions and I’ll keep watching. Sometimes I’ll agree, sometimes I’ll disagree but I’ll always respect and appreciate your views. Brian James
@lephotographinc Жыл бұрын
Congratulations on 60,000 subscribers. YOU ABSOLUTELY DESERVE IT. AWESOME CONTENT.
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Thanks Pascal, YOU ARE AWESOME!
@RoderickJMacdonald Жыл бұрын
Congratulations on 60! This mile stone is particularly remarkable because all the subscribers are interested in photography and are not gearheads.
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Thanks Roderick, that is very kind of you
@TheNarrowbandChannel Жыл бұрын
Good to see Robinspeaks is back. I liked it. Especially since I can just listen to it at work.
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Thanks Ben, hope you did not fall asleep listening!
@TheNarrowbandChannel Жыл бұрын
@@robinwong No I never do. Your talks are Great.
@mikejankowski6321 Жыл бұрын
Great post. The variety of topics was nice, and you did justice to all the questions and comments. I particularly like seeing the black wall again, nicely lit and with your contrasting red shirt. Very cool.
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Thanks Mike, I do my best to answer the questions! The black wall will return from time to time!
@Marty4650 Жыл бұрын
I suppose it really depends on personal preference. I own both the 17mm f/1.8 and 25mm f/1.8 (as well as the 12mm f/2.0. 14mm f/2.5, 45mm f/1.8 and 75mm f/1.8) and the 17mm is my most used prime lens. I hardly ever use my 25mm f/1.8, even though it is also a very good lens. I just find that 17mm is the best focal length for general photography, and covers everything from landscapes, to group portraits, and even can be used for architectural interiors.
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
There is no doubt, 17mm (or 35mm equiv) is a great focal length, I am not denying that. But there is just something off with that particular lens, can't quite quantify it either, so I shall leave it to that.
@davebellamy4867 Жыл бұрын
12:15 Wow that was a surprise! Cheers for answering my question! Plus Ginge made an appearance on your channel.😊😊😊 Congratulations on 60k subscribers!
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Thanks! NO worries, I try to get to as many questions as I can. I receive hundreds a day sometimes.
@jaher06 Жыл бұрын
Congratulations! I follow you from Spain with the translator activated and even though you speak very fast, I prefer it that way since the duration of the video is perfect for me. Cheers!
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Thanks, appreciate that! I try not to make long videos, I also don't have that much time!
@sweeperdave1 Жыл бұрын
I shot full-frame going back to the 1970 film days and then digital right on up to last year and avoided the 35mm focal length. I also shot APS-C and avoided 20mm (35mm equivalent full-frame). I just didn't like the perspective for my style of shooting. Then I started using the 17mm f/1.8 on my Olympus MFT cameras and have a great relationship with it. It's the lens I have on when I'm shooting early morning and evening travel images. Low-light performance is decent and the perspective has me wondering why I avoided the focal length on larger sensor cameras. I think if someone forced me to choose one prime lens for a travel shoot on my Olympus cameras, I'd pick the 17mm - I enjoy using it that much.
@domtomazo Жыл бұрын
My "perfect trio" for travel is the three premium Olympus lenses -> 12/2, 17/1.8 and 75/1.8. I like the 17/1.8 a alot, but that is also my favorite allround focal length. My main issue is that bokeh can be a bit ugly sometimes, i have noticed it especially indoor shooting across a table (quite close focusing). It can get a "double bokeh" that can make you a bit dizzy looking too much at it :)
@davebellamy4867 Жыл бұрын
Interesting the big gap between the 17 and the 75. No 25 or 45. I think sometimes there's just the feel whether you like a lens or not and you can set the composition for the lens.
@domtomazo Жыл бұрын
@@davebellamy4867 The trio I mentioned has that superior and matching build quality, so they fit together nicely. I like to work with maximum of three lenses for any given situation too, making it more manageable both in physical gear but also in choosing the lens for the situation. I also have the 45/1.8 and that is a no-brainer for the price and size in micro four thirds, but does not feel as special. It comes with me often on my bicycle rides though, keeping size and weight down. I would like to try the 45/1.2 as I do a lot of portraits, but have other systems for that :)
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
THat's interesting, I never had any issue with 17mm's bokeh... I find it OK but nothing to write home about either
@davebellamy4867 Жыл бұрын
I really like it! Tiny. Completely in the spirit of micro four thirds. All metal except for the glass🤣. Great build quality. Manual focus clutch. Great look. Very discreet. Great feel on the camera, especially the smaller bodies. Useful focal length.
@dunnymonster Жыл бұрын
Congratulations on you reaching 60K subs. Well deserved Robin 👍
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@kevinseddon6860 Жыл бұрын
Congrats on 60k Robin, been following you for years and still love the content..
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Thanks Kevin, appreciate that.
@Lordvader330 Жыл бұрын
Color is so key my friend. I still shoot my Olympus e-5 because that sensor has amazing color! This is a great video. Please fill your rainy days with more of this. I could use a video on the FL700wr set up.
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
I don't have the FL-700 WR though. The freaking problem is, my old Olympus flash units (FL-50R) refuse to die! And they are more than powerful enough to do what I do for my jobs.
@scs6757 Жыл бұрын
Hi Robin, I'm a recent subscriber. A couple years ago I switched from Nikon DSLR to Sony Mirrorless. I'm not a pro, but as a fairly competent amateur enthusiast I'm also interested in all cameras like you are. I really enjoy hearing and seeing your perspectives, and your love of photography really shows in your videos. I also enjoy getting exposure to the culture and people of Malaysia through your content from halfway around the world in the Midwest of the USA. Keep up the great work!
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Welcome to the channel, and glad you liked seeing Malaysian bits and pieces here! Do come visit if you have a chance
@anthonygarbo8114 Жыл бұрын
Great video and content as always. . . . thanks for your input and recommendations.
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Thanks Anthony, glad you found them useful
@asterix908 Жыл бұрын
I think the thing that bothers you is the distortion and correction that happens at such small focal lengths. There's less of that in an APS-C, because the lens is 23-24mm (resulting in 35mm eq) and less correction is needed. I love the results of 17mm f1.8. The reason I like it over Fuji X100 is 1. Better Bokeh from f1.8. 2. improved usability of Olympus, better focusing 3. In camera Stabilization, so I never have to use flash.
@greydog727 Жыл бұрын
To me, compared to the 15mm Panasonic, the 17mm is just not sharp. Maybe I have a bad one. It prefer the angle of the 17, but it is so fudgy, I just can't use it.
@ontah5716 Жыл бұрын
I owned 17mm 1.8 too, i do feel the same, as you said the reason for the 'flatness' may be due to too many 'lens correction'. There is a theory of why some lenses lack '3D pop', is because of modern lenses have too many optical correction elements, i.e., generally with 9 elements and above will start to produce visibly flatter images.
@alanmcdonald7390 4 ай бұрын
Your honest opinion doesn't shake my love of the Olympus 17/1.8. I recognise a lot of what you say about it. Especially the way it renders perspective sometimes. But. With my genre and set up, it really works for me. It's my daily driver.
@Jonathan-hu3lk Жыл бұрын
My main issue with this lens is the close focusing distance isn’t close enough. However, the majority of my photos over the last few years have been taken with this lens, so clearly it has served me well. Although, I recently picked up a very cheap, secondhand eos m5 and 22mm f2 lens. Now it’s a massive shame Canon won’t be making anymore eos m lenses, or bodies because I freaking love this lens. It’s small, sharp, quick to focus, great close focusing distance and just blooming fantastic. I’d say superior to the Olympus 17mm f1.8 (both lenses being roughly equivalent to 35mm on full frame)
@DeMorcan Жыл бұрын
I had the same reaction to the 17/1.8. Just never liked the look. And now the 17/1.2 is my favorite lens. I like that you use and discuss different cameras. I had a job photographing basketball that I could not do with m43, so I rented then bought a Canon. I do not believe there is a best camera. I do believe there is a best camera for me and how I want to use it for the photos I want to take. And that might change from day to say as I want to do something else. I did use your affiliate link to buy one of the new Olympus lenses you reviewed. (I can't always buy coffee). Not sure why anyone would think you had quit Olympus.
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Thanks so so much for using the affiliate links, and you don't have to buy coffee or do anything else, I appreciate you just being here! Oh yes the 17mm F1.2 is absolutely fantastic
@davebellamy4867 Жыл бұрын
One thing about focal lengths Robin. It's useful to start with the kit zoom lens if on a budget, even though they break often, so get it bundled with the camera. I found with the 14-42 EZ that I was OFTEN shooting photos with the focal length indicaor between 22 and 24 mm. It can be a great indictor of what focal lengths and fields of view are preferred for an individual user. However, of course, no-one makes a 23mm prime lens!😅😂🤣 It's also useful that the focal length data is retained with the picture for reference. Something we probably take for granted now!
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
I have always said kit lenses are awesome!
@indradinho88 6 ай бұрын
@davebellamy4867 right now 23mm is actually available although it's manual focus only. I have a TTartisan 23mm f1.4 on my GH5.
@seth094978 5 ай бұрын
Yeah it's such a shame that Sigma doesn't offer the 23/1.4 in mft mount. They've clearly given up on m4/3 considering that they make the 16, 30 and 56 for us, but didn't put in the time to develop a version of the 23 for us, even though the focal length makes so much sense.
@seth094978 5 ай бұрын
My solution given the lack of 23mm options has been to use the 20/1.7 from Panny. It basically lives on my camera now. I found with the increased sharpness relative to that lackluster 14-42 that I didn't mind just planning on cropping in a tad. It gives me more flexibility and room for error than when framing up shots at 22-23.
@hnahler Жыл бұрын
I was really curious when I saw the title. The 17mm/1.8 is my favourite fixed focus lens. I was wondering, why does Robin not like it? I mostly use it on my original E-M1 as a compact walk-around setup. Now, I have to check in LrC, how many of my 3* and higher images have I taken with that lens. Do I just shoot with it but don’t have many keepers? - Your comments made me curious.
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
We all have our own preferences, if the 17mm F1.8 works for you, then no worries!
@JensMHA Жыл бұрын
I used the 17mm quite extensively, but tried the PL15mm and that blew the Oly out of the water. The PL just have something. Bought another Oly 17 last month, the f:2.8 just because "Pancake", havent used it much but I will give it a month on a small body of some sort. 🙂
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
I also have the 17mm F2.8, what I forgot to mention was I actually prefered the output from the 17mm pancake, though it was less sharp and has slower AF
@Lordvader330 Жыл бұрын
Ok as for returns or repairs for used equipment MPB offers a fantastic return replacement service if there is an issue. I got a 7-14 from them. It had an issue they send me another and also refunded me the difference in the quality rating. It was like new and the new one was listed as excellent. So used with MPB is the best.
@davebellamy4867 Жыл бұрын
I find their descriptions are a bit hit and miss but it's no hassle if you don't like what they send because you can send it back in the UK at their cost (unlike with Robin in Malaysia!) I had their top priced EM1 Mk1 a few weeks ago and was really disappointed to find significant viewfinder damage. I decided to wait and get an EM1 Mark ii but they have 50 of those for sale right now. Too much choice, so I left it!
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Good for you. No such thing here in Malaysia
@chirag4 Жыл бұрын
Robin, you just missed a trick, you could have made the video 17:18 long it would have read like 17 1.8 (Olympus lens spec)
@chirag4 Жыл бұрын
though, TTArtisan 17mm f/1.4 does exist for MFT
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Hah, good one. Too late now!
@davidblack2632 Жыл бұрын
I do love my 17/1.8 but it really doesn't get used much since buying the 17/1.2.
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
The 17mm F1.2 is much better
@idenelf11 Жыл бұрын
I use the 17 f1.8 for live streaming but I can't say I use it for taking pictures much. I like the lens enough but for photos I generally will take my Panasonic 25mm f1.7.
@davebellamy4867 Жыл бұрын
How is your Panasonic 25mm? Mine is a bit mushy wide open. Can't say exactly how, just sharp edges look a bit untidy. I wondered if I had damaged the lens but I can't find a problem. I don't remember how it was from new because I was new to M43 then and it was ages ago. It's still sharp stopped down, especially by f/4. Very crisp there.
@idenelf11 Жыл бұрын
@@davebellamy4867 I tend to keep my subject aka one of my cats in the middle to avoid it so I can't say I have even checked the edges. If I remember after work today I'll take a photo of anything and post it somewhere so you can get a look at it.
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
I'd take the 25mm too
@valdiskrebs566 Жыл бұрын
Yes, keep functioning cameras till they die! I tried both the 15mm and 17mm on my Pen-F and found the 15mm was NOT better… did not pixel peep… so I kept the 17mm. Like the zone focus ability of the 17mm.
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
No worries, use what works for you. 15mm cannot replace 17mm because they are both at different focal lengths.
@teephlelps7172 Жыл бұрын
Dude, I love your energy. I'm glad I discovered your channel. Thanks!
@Kopetefish Жыл бұрын
To me the 17mm F1.8 is an almost perfect MFT lens except for the lack of weather sealing. The size, build quality (MF clutch!) and image quality are pretty good. I just wish they would give us a 20mm F2 or even F2.8 that is the same size as the 17mm.
@Tudor_Mateescu Жыл бұрын
So true!!!
@geofff6671 Жыл бұрын
Would love an Oly 20 f1.8 built like the 17 f1.8, with the sharpness of the Panasonic 20 f1.7. Though the Panasonic 20 f1.7 remains a good option.
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
I think the priority now is not to release another 20mm so quickly after their F1.4 PRO lens. I don't think the 17mm is perfect, it has some flaws too. It is a very good lens and I can see why a lot of people like it. But to me it just seems "off"
@Retset Жыл бұрын
@@geofff6671 I love my Panny 20 f1.7! Yes, the focus is a touch slow and noisy but great quality for very little weight - a lovely walkabout lens.
@bagazheful Жыл бұрын
Great energy Robin! I just came for a couple of vids but you made me subscribe.
@fabscams4136 Жыл бұрын
Congratulations! Been a subscriber since you had about 20k! I also 100% agree with you on the Olympus 17mm - I used to own it but I switched to the Leica 15mm f1.7 - the focal length just never agreed with me.
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Thanks Fabs for staying, appreciate that! Yeah I love the Panasonic 15mm!
@alanneilson6811 Жыл бұрын
I like the 17mm f1.8 almost lives on my Pen F either that or the F2 12mm but as you say each to their own. I do agree with you about the canon f2 35mm I really liked that on my 5D MK2. Congratulations on the 60K keep doing what you do Robin.
@EstelonAgarwaen Жыл бұрын
This lens is my fav street lens, on my gx80 it just delivers!
@Lucidexplore 2 ай бұрын
Robin I think you had a Nikon Z5, did you like the colors of that camera? and did it defer alot from Em1-MkII/3? and how about the auto-focus of both systems?
@TheJopokus Жыл бұрын
Congrats on 60! 🎂🍾 Love your blogs!
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much
@keithbryancwong1837 Жыл бұрын
Have you considered using 2 different systems for the same shoot? For e.g. use m4/3 when you need to use beyond 70mm ff equivalent. Then use APSC/ff when you need wide angle shots. That way you can get the best of both worlds. Nowadays, with so many 3rd party lens manufacturers, prices have come down a lot for ff/apsc lenses. E.g Sigma 18-50 f2.8 weighs 290g and is around usd500 give or take. I myself am considering adding a used m4/3 camera for lenses beyond 70mm ff equivalent.
@danielcorry4136 Жыл бұрын
I do this sometimes. Wider shots with Fujifilm and longer shots with Olympus.
@25palex Жыл бұрын
because of it i have 15mm f1.7 from pano leica. great video
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Thanks Alex, I love that lens
@stobz0984 Жыл бұрын
Congrats on 60K Robin :-) !
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@ThePNWRiderWA Жыл бұрын
60k is an accomplishment. Congrats !
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your support!
@markphillips7449 Жыл бұрын
Hi Robin. Hopefully you can answer a question around how to download Raw files to an Apple MacBook Air? Will look forward to your insight. Mark P.
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
You can do so by using the USB cable from camera to your computer, or using a card reader.
@philipcarter6075 Жыл бұрын
I had a suspicion I agreed about this lens so did a direct comparison with my 17/1.2. Mostly indistinguishable but there were strange areas in the 17/1.8 that were fuzzy, but not due to focussing. I think the 17/1.2 is worth the extra weight for giving more pleasing results, but most of the time my 8-25 copes fine with this focal length.
@jay-by1se 6 ай бұрын
I did a blind test with 12 people. Olympus Canon Nikon photos and I had people choose.. Nikon won without it even being close. But Olympus and Canon look the same so it makes sense that an Olympus shooter will like Canon. Nikon it's a whole different thing.
@mmma4096 Жыл бұрын
I have a Olympus 17mm f1/8 in silver and the lens have beautiful built design, engraved letters on the barrel and silver color looks very smooth, Panasonic Leica 15mm f1/7 is not even close in built quality design, some letters are painted and the lens in black painted scratched easy. People talked a lot about sharpness. I don't see a substantial difference between Panasonic Leica and Olympus, but for me both looks very close.
@numbersix8919 Жыл бұрын
Hey Robin, I like your black background -- glad to see it again. PS Thanks for explaining your post-processing! Because your photos are too good!
@greadore Жыл бұрын
I have to disagree with you on the 17 mm. I have it and the 25 mm and much prefer the 17mm over the 25 mm and plan on selling the 25 mm and keeping the 17mm.
@davebellamy4867 Жыл бұрын
It's good to get different views. Glad it's just a matter of personal taste. I much prefer the 17 to my Lumix 25 which feels a bit plasticky (because it's plastic! Duh!🤣😂😅) in terms of ferl and confidence and because I saw some yukky smudginess on the 25 wide open. I've looked to see if there is some damage to the edge of the lens because it's really sharp stopped down. Still it gave me a doubt about that 25 and actually the price of the M. Zuiko 25 has come down a lot lately so I'm tempted but I now have the 12-40 f/2.8 anyway and that rocks. The Mark I version - at a clearance price I guess.
@davebellamy4867 Жыл бұрын
I think both the Zuiko 17 and 25 f/1.8s look gorgeous on the smaller OMD cameras. I have the 17mm/1.8 and 45mm/1.8 Oly lenses and the 17 has a much nicer feel than the 45, though I love the images from the 45. The 45 and 25 are probably built about the same way. The 17 and 12 have classier build and the 17 has come down in price recently in some places. Unlike everything else!
@klaustomasini Жыл бұрын
Well done, Robin! Congrats! You are doing a fantastic job.
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Thanks Klaus!
@NightShooter87 7 ай бұрын
I've shot with quite a few cameras, but predominantly Nikon. I agree with you about the images, they look under exposed and washed out, then the auto focus is a joke. I can get better out of an ordinary compact camera. Love your channel and you come across as a real genuine chap.
@kimc5750 Жыл бұрын
Congratulations on your 60,000. I like the 17mm f/1.8, especially om my E-P5, but I have never taken to the 12-40 f2.8, many love it. Its all personal preference. Fun video! I am a long time Nikon user, but I cannot take to the Z series.
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Thanks Kim, appreciate that. The 12-40mm lens is a versatile, do it all lens. Prime lenses like 17mm has more character
@manfredrauchberger4650 Жыл бұрын
Dear Robin, Love your work. Keep on going. Greetings from Austria!
@davebellamy4867 Жыл бұрын
10:16 Great reply! Reality check!😅😂🤣
@giuseppepetenzi Жыл бұрын
I prefer the Panaleica 15mm f1.7 ASPH, my first m4/3 lens ever!
@bkaustav Жыл бұрын
If strictly talking about primes, I have a very special feeling for 45mm f1.8. with 17mm f1.8, it's kind of hit or miss.,, recently added sigma 30mm f1.4 .. Little odd focal length but amazing image quality... @Robin... I would love to get hold the ,75 mm one day....
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
You will love the 75mm for sure, just make sure you have some use for it, that is not a popularly used focal length
@chanmyasoe Жыл бұрын
Oh no 17mm is my favourite travel lens 😁
@davebellamy4867 Жыл бұрын
Just keep using it. It's gorgeous. However, it's not really to Robin's taste and that's OK. It osxto minecin terms of use and balance but I've not had any teal killer images with it. Perhaps because I'm not a great photographer!
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Nothing wrong having it as a favourite. Use what works for you.
@MichaelGerrard Жыл бұрын
I have the Oly 17mm f1.8, I like it. My only gripe is that I get lens flare on it easily.
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Yeah flare can be an issue
@ulflundh5813 Жыл бұрын
Tank you🙏🏼 I thought i was alone in the world not like that lens. I had it for a ear. As you say i can’t say why, it felt like a sheep lens but i couldn’t se why when i analyse the photo. For some years ago i had Canon 7D mkll and i had the same problem with Tamron 16-300mm. Now i have many Oly lenses and cameras.
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Yeah there is definitely something off with the 17mm lens
@rafaelquiroz5865 Жыл бұрын
Hola Robin, congratulations for your sixty thousand subscribers! Thank you for your excellent videos. I'm visiting Malaysia. Would you recommend me some interesting places to take pictures in Kuala Lumpur?
@V8rgr8 5 ай бұрын
Hi Robin, I too prefer the 28mm compared to the 35mm FF equivalent. Do you think it could be the aspect ratio 3:2 vs 4:3 with the 17mm? I think the 17mm looks better on m43 when I use 4:3 full frame aspect ratio.
@Arcade1959 6 ай бұрын
My opinion: This is my favorite lens. I find it very versatile, but I admit that it took me a while to get used to it. When I go on a photo trip, I always have my 12mm 2:0 in my pocket.
@davebellamy4867 Жыл бұрын
One of these talking videos a month or every few weeks would be great, Robin!
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Thanks. I'd go out when it does not rain so much
@rl4bzs 6 ай бұрын
Same as you, Robin, I can’t tell why I dislike the 17/1.8 so much. That said, some people take great pictures with it, so it’s hard to tell what’s going on.
@kazzi_ Жыл бұрын
I own it and I also don't like it, although it's my widest lens in m4/3... :D I'd change it for PanaLeica 15/1.7 any time.
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Same here
@artjohnson01 Жыл бұрын
Agree. I already have the PL15mm lens. Why would I even consider the 17mm?
@ianvaughan9028 Жыл бұрын
Congratulations on 60,000 subscribers Robin, you deserve every one of them and many more.
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Thanks Ian, you are too kind
@Estirvana Жыл бұрын
Hearing Robin say he doesn't like Nikon colours hurts me 🥲. But I have to say, it does hurt to say that I felt more confident in my D800's autofocus (and E-M1II) over the first Z series gen.
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
D800 has great AF system! Definitely still delivering well today. But hey, colors are subjective. Good news is, you can adjust to taste in post-processing.
@sirbarry22 Жыл бұрын
Robin you talked me into taking the 17mm to Vegas next week, I haven't used it for awhile, I really liked the 17 and the 45 for travel lenses, but haven't used it since I got 12 to 45mm 2.8 pro, but will try it again next week. Good to hear from you again.
@christinecoughlan4699 Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU Robin 🌺.
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Thanks for being here, Chrinstine.
@michaelatlas8072 Жыл бұрын
I briefly bought a 17/1.8 but didn't vibe with it so returned it in favor of a 17/1.2 which is my favorite lens.
@lenaickdaniel8262 Жыл бұрын
I felt the same with leica 15mm 1.7, nothing bad to say about it but I always get flat image. On the contrary I use a lot my pentax 31mm on FF. More character and you can have some 3D look at big aperture. Not talking about bokeh, something more subtle that 20mm and less MFT lenses can't realize...
@donwallace7354 Жыл бұрын
Congratulations on hitting the 60k mark!
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Thanks Don!
@riccardoberetta6040 Жыл бұрын
For 17 1.8 you can use raw Digger ( with It you see the real raw file without correction )
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
And why would I do that? It makes things a lot worse.
@nukem9904 Жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks for reading my comment Robin, and congrats on the subscriber milestone! I actually went out this morning taking only the 17mm f1.8 on the OM1.2 to "force" some creativity. I agree there is something just not clicking with me either, but its certainly fun to get out and shoot with it to explore why!
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Thanks Nukem, I can't quantify the "why" but yeah something is definitely off with the 17mm lens
@davidthompson8153 Жыл бұрын
Loved the 17mm f1.8 until I bought the 17mm f1.2 WOW...... great discussion Robin as always.
@jakubmarlewski1984 Жыл бұрын
Congrats on 60k subscribers!
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Thanks Jakub!
@ChristineOram Жыл бұрын
I bought the 17mm f1.8 despite some negative reports, and have been pleased with it. In general I find the 17mm is a better fit for the 4:3 ratio than 35mm if for 2:3 format on FF. I think it is because the squarer format gives me more vertical coverage (which I prefer) and therefore appears wider than 35mm in the 2:3 format. I don't think it makes much sense that Robin is calling this lens out and says it is not the angle of view that he doesn't like. My view is that reviews do not agree with the commonly stated trope that the Leica 15mm is much better either.
@Jose-ve9eg Жыл бұрын
Enhorabuena buena por los 60k suscriptores, Robin
@raytbrown2 6 ай бұрын
Totally understood. I have bought and returned the lens 3 times -- each time thinking I was crazy on both sides of the transaction. Got the 1.2 version and love it; but it's too big. I really wish the 1.8 was what I could be happy about; but I'm just not.
@diegoscopia Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure why you feel the images look flat, but the 17mm has a very nice image character, especially wide open. Like you barely have to do any post processing work with the files to get them to look right. For me a flat looking lens would be the 14-42R, just no bite or unique character whatsoever.
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Compared to Panasonic 15mm, Canon 35mm, or Fuji X100, the images from the Olympus 17mm are flat and "off". And many other people in this comment section also saw the same problem.
@c.augustin Жыл бұрын
Funny, I bought the 17mm F1.8 with my Pen F as a kit, and I was quite pleased with the results (and the handling is really nice). For me it is about the focal length that I don't like that much, but there might be something else. I have to say that the 25mm F1.8 is much more to my liking, together with the 45mm F1.8, so your assessment sounds somewhat right. With the 12mm F2 I'm a bit torn, similar to the 17mm F1.8 - but as all these lenses are so tiny, I don't really mind to keep them … 😁
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Yeah you are right, they are so small, even the small issues they can be overlooked!
@dougcooper4917 Жыл бұрын
Good Video. Thank You For Your Information Robin.
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Thanks Doug!
@JavierGutierrez-yl2fs Жыл бұрын
Did you try lumix full frame cameras? They are excellent for photography with very fast and accurate autofocus. For video the af-c modus is not the best, but one has to learn how tu use the area autofocus properly and it is ok. The size of the lumix S5 is as big as the em1 mark 3. And the 1.8 primes (24, 35, 50 and 85) are light, sharp and much smaller than the 1.2 primes of Olympus.
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
The video AF is almost useless. Don't even get me started on Panasonic colors. They are possibly worse than Nikon. And no their primes are crazy expensive!
@JeffBourke Жыл бұрын
Congratulations. This channel is the best.
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Thanks Jeff, appreciate that
@LyndonPatrickSmith Жыл бұрын
I like size, construction, and clutch-focus on the Oly 17 1.8. It’s a useful focal length and I personally wouldn’t sell it. Having said that, few lens/sensor combinations provide the elusive “3D pop” micro contrast in the right light, and admittedly I haven’t seen that from this lens on any camera body.
@rfphicks Жыл бұрын
I'm very new to photography and came across your channel. I have to say, I absolutely love your enthusiasm and passion in each video 🙌 let's do this!
@scstudios8 Ай бұрын
Nikon never impressed me either. I was trying to leave the Canon 5d2 and I could not. I wore the 5d2 out. It always looked great and was totally natural. I am going into FF from m43 now, and Sony really is the one I want now. Canon would be my choice, but the lens cost is crazy. I think they just allowed 3rd part lenses. If sigma makes a canon 24-70 f2.8 for the mirrorless newer models, maybe I will go with canon.
@Lordvader330 Жыл бұрын
I use it for video the most. It’s perfect for that.
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
I find my 15mm F1.7 better for video!
@DannyB-cs9vx Жыл бұрын
I just bought a Lumix 20mm 1.7 After watching several videos about both the Olympus 17 amd the Lumix 20. The Olympus costs twice the Lumix, and many prefer the Lumix. The new OM system 20 may be better, but I don't have $700 to find out. I am a hobbyist, so I need to go with the best value. Nobody but myself is going to critique my pictures.
@leckywoznicki5393 Жыл бұрын
Thank you & well done on your 60K WOW :)
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Thanks Lecky!
@rjbiii Жыл бұрын
Don't the camera system colors really just matter if you're using the jpegs? If you're processing raw photos, it's basically equal..? Maybe I'm mistaken
@RTFM70 Жыл бұрын
Well done Robin. Great news 👍
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Thanks Jeff!
@davebellamy4867 Жыл бұрын
0:58 Your night time minimum temperature has been the same as our day time maximum temperature in England this last day or so.
@davebellamy4867 Жыл бұрын
0:57 Lots of lightning for you to photograph and try to dodge!😳⛈⛈⛈🌩🌩🌩⚡⚡⚡
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
The cameras are weather-sealed, not lightning proof!
@obedbrinkman Жыл бұрын
Nikon auto focus has improved massively through updates and newer Z models, maybe update your views on the brand, nikon Z is totally underestimated
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Improved, yes, massively, no.
@Acomyztly Жыл бұрын
Hello Robin, congratulations! I have the two lens, the 15mm f1.7 pana-leica and the 17mm f1.8 Olympus. I use them for streetphotography with my loved Pen F for a couple of years and I come to the same conclusion, for some reason I like more the photographies taken with de 15mm, but not only compared with the Olympus 17mm, also with the 12mm. I know, there are not the same focal lenght, but for some reason I do not like the 24mm equivalent focal lenght, I prefer 30mm of the Pana-leica (in other brands I shot more in 28mm that 35mm).
@robinwong Жыл бұрын
Between 15mm and 17mm, yes I prefer the 15mm too. But I can't compare 12mm to 15mm, the gap is just too huge, there are many situations that I use 12mm which the 15mm is just not wide enough
@craigroethler1495 Жыл бұрын
17 is great on the Pen. My fave for walking around.
@jonnyli12 Жыл бұрын
Sensor size it's the problem. With a wide focal length like that in m43, the photos looks like they were taken on a sony cybershot . It's not so easy to shot with a m43 and get instant satisfaction with some focal lengths.
@g.aleroux7222 Жыл бұрын
Hi Robin. I have a omd 5 mark ii. Pretty new to photography and would like to do low light street photography as well as astrophotography. I am in Australia and don't have a big budget, so was wondering what is a good mid range lens I could try. I am not worried if it is not Olympus lenses. Thanks Gavin
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