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fire video, roblox really does have many issues with the kinds of monetization it promotes

Lethal company was made by a former Roblox developer, probably because he had enough of being under-paid by Roblox, that is probably why he moved to Steam to make his own game.

They just lower the robux crates Premium: 80 robux Deluxe: 250 robux

another problem with the gambling scheme is the Near miss effect which is the reason many people have a gambling addiction with is basically an effect where you're so close to winning but the slightest of bad luck causes you to lose it and the human brain goes: "Hey, If I continue gambling than just maybe, I'll get it" and this cycle continues

I don't think TDS is greedy, I would think that TDS is just trying to balance out the game, for the people who want to buy their way to success.

They say with great power comes great responsibility but roblox abused the power to make sure the bad games are on the front page due to it not being the most popular/well made games its now only the ones that rake in the big bucks so roblox itself is assisting the games by putting them on the front page and not the games that are as popular but less money driven.

I think that Raz actually left because of this problem. Because he couldn't get paid enough.

tds is the perfect example of a good, popular roblox game its towers are branched out, although its grindy you can expect atleast 2-4 refreshing updates, its gamepasses dont give a significant advantage, as I dont think theres someone crazy enough to spend 6k robux on a tower that can be obtained in the first 60 hours of playing the game you dont have to be a super pro lvl 200 with most of the event towers to enjoy the game, even badlands (third hardest gamemode) can be beaten with a squad of level 40 players if coordinated correctly honestly, tds is my favorite game on roblox currently, might be because most games are just trash but I just think its comforting

If they were truly greedy, they’d ONLY keep towers like the engineer or cowboy ONLY behind a pay wall. Yet with engineer (Idk about cowboy anymore) you have the choice to pay for the tower or grind for it. Same with accel even tho he’s not a gamepass you can still purchase gems and buy him by doing that instead of grinding. Sure things like plushies or the premium and deluxe crates exist but they’re just skins that don’t give a special perk to them. Yeah sure event towers being locked behind a pay wall exists too but that may eventually change. So yes, TDS can be a little bit greedy here and there but they’re really a mix of greedy and generous I believe.

I may not have not watched the whole thing, but since the main point is the question if TDS is greedy or not, its simply no. None of the main content, that being the gamemodes and permanent towers, are locked behind paywalls. The only things locked behind paywalls are optional content (Deluxe Crates, Phantom Crates, and past event towers) that is conisdered premium (these do not include skin bundles or stuff like Cowboy or Engineer since they are accessible by putting enough time into the game). And if ur thinking about "well what about the gamepasses", again thats optional content as well as just making the optional content you would put your time in, to something you get automatically with money if you don't want to make the effort into getting those said items. And as well since the game is made by multiple people, you cannot, and I repeat this, you CANNOT expect them to put everything free and accessible. If anything, one should be incredibly grateful that most of their optional content is accessible by putting in the time and effort (Weekly Quests, Pass Rewards, and just Login Rewards). Development costs a lot of money especially if ur in a team. Roblox dev ex rates are a whole another issue i wont be bothered to get into as the main focus point was if TDS is considered greedy or not.

I always hated roblox for theese. They don't even realize they are hurting their income. I'm gonna tell you one thing about Lethal Company's Developer. He was a ROBLOX DEVELOPER. He was developing for 7-8 years on Roblox but now he switched to Steam and sort of stuff. Now that dude is making MILLIONS. I hate Roblox and always will. DevEx has shitty exchange (Roblox takes like %85 the Money). I can't imagine a PRIVATE Company that couldn't care less about Money turned into this Money Hungry Monstrosity...

Thanks for shedding light into this topic so the devs. Can get the credit they need

UGC limiteds are way more expensive to make than normal UGC since you have to pay for each copy of the item, a 10k stock item for example would be 150k robux or more depending if its a hat, face, or back accessory, apart from that, great video

roblox is getting to greedy ngl

The difference is. TDS can unlock the towers with money, and you can get money very easily. but most of the others aren't, for example TTD it needs you to gamble to have a chance to get the BEST tower

Oof I missed the premiere, at least I made it now! Amazing Video!!

I've just consumed knowledge I didn't even know I could comprehend. Keep up the good content bro

Its just now that i realised how bad i am to the tds devs and as a community. Thanks for telling me about this information and i feel like i will start playing tds more often.

Growing up i looked back at all of the cashgrab games i played like tds astd clash royal and others and i wish i had discovered 2drpg games earlier

poor tds its the only game that made me start playing td games thank you for telling us whats the resson that tds is delaying it

I'm largely removed from the big roblox game community [Only gamepass I got ever was from Survive The Killer] and holy crap I had no idea how deep this rabbit hole went. Incredibly infortmative video. Liked and subbed.

I love people who take risks on their channel to expose this. Really appreciate ❤️

I read about 100 comments on this video and I will join in with saying, DANG WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN, you been cooking some fine videos.

man ur so underatted, really hope this gets tons of views, because it already looks like it is

Woah, this explains alot about tds and their updates about being delayed, at first i rhought they just didnt want to do it but this changes everything. Amazing vid man

W video, underrated channel, I’m subbing!

Tbh i would give them a bit of slack back then 2020 and 2021 when it comes to low updates because they had college and also like everyone, has a life. This year is not the case.

WOW. It is actually absurd how deep this video actually goes into and I love it! Also, is your outro song “sdp interlude” from Travis Scott? 😅

to be honest, it isn’t THAT greedy because you can/could’ve got everything that cost robux for free (except some skins I think) but compared to games to pet simulators which charge $250 for a VIRTUAL PET I think it is not p2w but just a option . in summary tds isn’t p2w compared to other games on Roblox but it it isn’t required, also all the devs need to be paid so it makes sense how some cosmetics/ merch is money.

man i completly changed my view on tds thanks to you sad they wont get money just because they care about the community and I thought they were just lazy

great video i think this is the only video i watched that explained this

The amout of efforts and good content even for a joke update (Toilet update) is insane and i cant believe a lot of it is just for a particular event to never be seeing again, is just wow, just gotta say i hope they still with the good working

tbh idrc about skins/cosmetics being robux or level towers being robux (its pve so better progression helps me if anything bc my teammates have better stuff) but event towers only coming back for robux is super dumb

Ttd developers get paid mostly by their channels which means if tds made one showing things like what updates and things that they were going to add they could probably add updates much quicker because they could pay their developers more .

an example of tds price rasing/inflation is with the resize character gamepass, since it used to cost 1 robux but now cost 100 robux.

after this update they will be making a lot more money, they fixed the fact that low end devices just cant play

AMAZING video covering the situation!

I was jusy bout to go complain about slow updates but after this im just gonna wait it out and hope for the best

I just honestly think it’s annoying that people call tds devs lazy and say they should be able to get updates out faster, and when devs did try and do this (act 3) it went south and the event was impossible and buggy, then the community blames the devs for pushing the update when really the community was pushing it. TL/DR tds devs get too much hate when they’re trying their hardest

I heard that back when roblox games were good,the dev exchange was much higher

5:08 you just described voxlblade, reasonable cash shop, great with friends and just a good game at its core

Around 2022 TDS got me so stressed when they first released elf camp because the only people who would play the challenge with me were young kids who weren’t good at the game- so I bought it. And I’m pretty sure that was the last gamepass I ever bought.

This is why I don't make roblox games anymore as a minor myself they kinda did me child labour which is illegal. So yes roblox does exploits its developers. Thank you for talking about It I am totally subscribing rn!❤

like it sucks that roblox doesnt does anything to those gambling lazy games and gives them the top of the discover page to make more money and that overshadows the good games like tdx and tds

Honestly before they added the ability to restart map's i absolutly hated tds doing hardcore took like 2 hours and a half since you had to go back and wait for the elevator to get the specific map for the strategy and then someone (ussually me) would load in late and instantly lose and it was so frustrating but now that they added a ready button and restart map the game feels so much better

they added quests for getting phantom , deluxe and premium crates

underrated ass guy, looking forward to more content like this. +1 sub ^^

out of tds for a sec, people call Flowers (owner of tsb) greedy and money hungry because he mase a new moveset that only top donaters can get and also added a emote search bar for 99 robux... but in the hunt after the strongest egg ran out, people got upset and what did Flowers do? he spent 40 million robux for a restock, what else could he have done with that? cashed it out for 150,000 us dollars

Compare to bladeball,pet simulator tds absolutely flipping not greedy.they low the bobux crate cost,with quests their is a chance that you can get deluxe,phantom crate as f2p,and there are no gamebreaking p2w towers

i like how even though tds doesnt make much money they still made it where that you can get the premium crate without spending robux

As a developper, i love this video

amazing video man this is insane love u bro

one problem: theres so many kids that dont understand and ignore this video. if they ever see it. and i beleve kids alone make up more in roblox then older people

Also the actual conversion rate (Based on the $1 --> 80 R$ transaction) would be $0.012 US dollars, which is much more than the 0.0035 they give, which means roblox is taxing robux transactions as soon as you buy them! I personally play Tower Battles, but TDS isn't that bad, at the very least much better than SKIBIDI TOILET TOWER DEFENCE.

what I learned from this: if I ever gonna make games , i should be solo dev.

the bigger the machine is the more fuel it consumes as a huge studio they need money to pay their people

absolutely cooked pursuation techniques for me to join the discord server. well done endportex

i mean,to be fair, the skibid tower defence that u showed the 0,01 % change was made by 2 (not so experienced) devs . sometimes they hired people to make the map .

Omg. Didn’t thought everything is so bad… I always called the devs lazy

Theres also some people in the community downgrading TDS over outdated TD game saying that TDS copied said game.

This video doesn’t only change my opinion on tds, but also my opinion on Roblox as whole. I’ve always thought that roblox simply needs a lot of money to maintain this big ass platform, but this is way too much

My favorite game in roblox, combat warriors barely cracks 5000 players now. And I've spent a crazy amount of money on that game. And I see other players with even crazier gamepasses and stuff. And I see them all the time. So from a small game like that, I know roblox makes a good chunk of money. But they can't keep a game going that I've seen with over 60k players in it? Ridiculous

You have earned a subscriber

Yeah also the games where the developers just had fun making the game the gamepass is very cheap too

heck, its not just the tower defense community thats suffering with gambling, a somewhat popular game called criminality added skin crates for over half a year, with a potential for golden skins which offer a "slight" advantage, like a faster reload or more damage / explosion radius. the platform is basically fugged cus of how common gambling is in more and more games. less is done about the content of the games and more about monetisation.

Fr.goated KZfaqr where have you been All this time

someone who appreciates sdp interlude as much as me 🔥

A game i think is not really that known is Black hawk Rescue mission five its title sounds goofy but its a good game with quality updates when they happen but it fall short as it has a small community and Roblox pushes more popular games to the front page. :(

Honesty I think you have a point and usually I don't side with roblox for making good game creators feel like trash

first of all you are underated as hell second of all facts

I don’t even care that much about the game passes. I just want them to not give u less gems in hc if u restart and make crossroads the only hc map because it’s too annoying to wait 20 minutes for crossroads with 20 other people and finally get in but someone joins just before the timer is out ruining ur run causing u to have to restart

Roblox NEEDS to take action about this bro if they don’t the future of Roblox will just look like those copy of Roblox and it will change Roblox FOREVER. So Roblox should start paying these devs like Below and his team, Below and his team are doing such great updates but the game barley updates this Video literally explained how I feel about Roblox and those cash grab gambling kids games…

Btw at 3:38 the conversion is wrong because its 1000 dollars for 100,000 robux.

You know, seeing this video kinda gives a reason why the Halloween 2020 and Frost invasion events lasted so long because they were getting such little money, so they needed a lot of time to push out the solar eclipse event

the thing is, you also need roblox premium to SELL the ugc's.

Man I feel so bad for accusing the tds devs for being lazy and awful, it's all because of robux and how much money the creators of their games are making and the hardwork they put into just for us to have fun

Right now, it's not as greedy. Since you can get deluxe crates, now. In terms of the towers that you need robux, some of then can be bought (Engi, Accel), but if we're talking about the other stuff (Gladiator, Frost Blaster, Sledger) then I can't help with that. There's also the UGC, which is... Yeah... No.

I can't really blame tds for being greedy in it's current state when as of right now you don't even have to grind for accel or stuff to actually win in this game now. Simple as. Also people make games has also a made a great video on how exploitative Roblox is.

i knew that. You cant make less money if a single side game IN A GAME (Roblox) is having player numbers around 50k players AT ONCE every minute like a whole good game from steam for example. I would say roblox is the most played game ever with great distance to minecraft or fortnite. Probably around 100 million allways every time

Btw if yall waiting fir new tds update u should check out rise of the dead a game that has the same problem with tds hard working dev that isnt money hungry

The only “gambling” system in tds is crates and most of them cost coins

They should genuinely move TDS to steam and make it so if u send a screenshot of your inventory and skins and stuff you can port it over

this man gave me a 2 min unskippable ad

You earned a sub.

tds is a very well made game but once they started rereleasing rare skins and more updates mainly based on robux, i ended up quitting. i started playing tds in 2021 and quit at the start of 2023. at first i thought they were greedy (which in a way they kind of are) (its roblox’s fault tho definitely) and i dont wanna spend bank on the game. i find it so unfair that skins from previous updates started getting rereleased (which makes the game pointless and the only thing u can do is grind endlessly or spend money for some skins that are worth nothing.) its sad but i believe tds will eventually die due to lack of updates and the gameplay getting repetitive, unless all of a sudden roblox fixes the stupid devEx rates. also great video, very informative and the first tds video ive watched in over a year. underrated.

I don’t think tds is greedy, like how I see it is like, if you’re pushing the micro transactions in our face that’s greedy, But with tds they never really do that, you usually have to actively seek out the micro transactions in order to get em

TDS isnt that greedy. The gamepasses or for ths people that will just buy to success. But you can get to the same amount of progress in a month or two.

Simple reason you give them money by robux spending or playing = better updates and better content = win win situation

TDS was greedy in early 2023 (with the crates and stuff), but nowadays: 1. TDS needs to pay off the hundreds of devs and QA testers it has. Roblox taxes both conversion rate and dev-ex, there's no option to ignore those. 2. TDS grinding isn't as bad as it looks, engi and turret can easily be obtained within the span of a month. 3. TDX is more greedy at this point, with overpriced gamepasses that aren't worth it.

1:42 bro matpat merch is 100$ a piece 😭😭😭

I as a person whose never spent money on games can confirm that kids don't understand the value of money. Even if kids think they know value putting it into rubox makes them lose their sense of value like oh it's 800 rubox i can get a couple crates for that. They don't understand that they just spent 10 dollars.

I do know the quality of the game and the underage gambling they're just hungry for money and my brother is getting addicted to it so i made him play a game that doesn't requires underage gambling like TDS, TDX and etc.

i play ttd but bro increase the dang graphics i would play it alot more and make better animations make everything better basically

3 op months video ain’t banned so far I think your good so far

This video was very well made

@endportex I want to say that you did kinda accuse ASTD (All Star Tower Defense) of being a low quality cash grabbing tower defense, but ASTD even though not as good as TDS's animations nor maps, they still make very good stuff comparing to others. ASTD isn't very cash grabbing as well, the most is something to display your units.

this explained a lot thing becuase i used to be heavily tds enjoyer based on it doesnt need luck,free to play,freely gameplay. u can just play idiot with your friend if u dont even think to win. or u can just try to win on each mode. the old days of a lot more event update that used to be made tds 1 of the best game on old days. time passed the update is very delayed which i dont blame them but it more of causing me to be bored of. afterall i dont play any other td game more than tds based on it the classic/best quality. when i tried other game(beside tdx i appricate it it nice it just need time to get a good balance) having very very low quality. but used the meaning of gambling addiction like a drug to get money. causing me to rarely play ts game anymore. afterall mostly of update it come if im free to play i wil always finish the event before dipping out. it is always fun. u can just randomly play idiot and bless for rng or random stuff. or decide to use brain and just become some big brain guy calculating how to win each mode. i miss all those days.

Love all your vids lol

i knew dev ex was terrible but a 28 times tax is absolutely insane.