S2E21: Our modified Saturn that gets Extreme MPG with lean-burn and Robo-throttle.

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Жыл бұрын

Season 2 Episode 21 Jimbo explains the upgrades that were made on both the Robo-throttle and the lean-burn system. With both systems activated, we went for a road test to check the fuel economy. Checkout this video to see the amazing results!
S2E20: We road test the fuel saving Robo-throttle on our project car and discover hidden MPG’s. • S2E20: We road test th...
S2E19: DIY Smart drive by wire throttle plus new project car Saturn SW2
• S2E19: DIY Smart drive...
S2E18: We test a lean burn system on our Saturn . Will it get better MPG?
• S2E18: We test a lean...
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@huzudra Жыл бұрын

I can't wait for the inevitable conclusion of this with a full stand alone ECM setup running lean burn corn ethanol with robo throttle and full aero for a 200 mpg saturn that takes 3 minutes to go from 0-60 and is 40ft long looking like a UFO whizzing past confused deer on the roadside.

@calebp2743 Жыл бұрын

Yessssssssss!!

@haydennorris2913 Жыл бұрын

I unironically want this vehicle. I have a 60 miles commute and gas is a lot.

@robotcantina8957 Жыл бұрын

Unless you are very tall, the Saturn coup is extremely uncomfortable, The sedans and wagons get the same fuel economy but are slightly more comfortable.

@robotcantina8957 Жыл бұрын

LOL.... I really want to do all that just to confuse the local deer population. They will have story's to tell for years.

@clover7359 Жыл бұрын

There's literally not enough energy in gasoline for that Saturn to get 200 MPG for any significant distance without losing a lot of elevation.

@bluecats6238 Жыл бұрын

2000’s tuning: “MORE POWER “ 2020’s tuning: “ please use less gas”

@mommapanda5736 Жыл бұрын

Love the comments here..

@winha1435 Жыл бұрын

Why not both, make lean burn map on cruise, and give it some timing and fuel on high rpm, now days variable valve makes it even better to have both, if you are on custom ecu its even easier to make lean maps for cruise speeds.

@Fred_the_1996 Жыл бұрын

@@winha1435 easier said than done...

@winha1435 Жыл бұрын

@@Fred_the_1996 I have seen this done this whit few ecus, done one myself whit Vems and now trying to make this on ms43 ecu and im quite amateur on this. Sure its not plug and play but not insanely hard either, ecu platform make it harder on differend platforms some have pretty good modding community.

@Fred_the_1996 Жыл бұрын

@@winha1435 yeah, my crusty old 1995 ecu is almost impossible to tune lol, I tried chip tuning it once and it fcked up my ignition timing and fuel mix so bad that the car didin't even start until I took it to a programming shop. It's harder than it looks for beginners like myself😅 Maybe I'll try using a BIPES ACU in the future since no one uses them anymore and they're dirt cheap

@dcf8978 Жыл бұрын

I love these fuel economy shenanigans. Not many other youtubers do economy stuff, it's all about MORE POWER!!!!!!

@jezeski2011 Жыл бұрын

Don't just scrap the Saturn. There is a following for those that would buy it in a heartbeat

@ocdman202 Жыл бұрын

Yes,, in a heatbeat💖💖💖💖

@dangerousdave5915 Жыл бұрын

I agree! Especially at over 40mpg!

@tkello001 Жыл бұрын

My salvage title sc2 dohc gets over 40mpg stock with an automatic on the highway, vibrating like a paintshaker at low rpm...

@JettaCoupe16v Жыл бұрын

@@tkello001 Replace your upper passenger engine mount with an oem style one. I had the same problem.

@Acamperfull Жыл бұрын

Google timing advance processors ”TAP” these are are wired between the ECU and the crankshaft position sensor and meant to be used on LPG/CNG converted engines and allow you to program extra ignition advance.

@krashanb5767 Жыл бұрын

That sure sounds interesting. Plus I would love to see LPG conversion in the future.

@1987FX16 Жыл бұрын

I was thinking he could use the IAT signal to tell the computer to add timing. Not sure what cylinder airmass he is cruising at but on the tune I'm looking at anything under 50F and over 0.32 cyl/airmass is adding timing. If he wanted he could tune the ECU with hptuners and use the IAT as a signal to add the timing for lean burn but that would be at least $100 in credits to tune a old swap destind Saturn.

@dennisford2000 Жыл бұрын

@@1987FX16 back when the 240 z Datsun was new , we added a few hundred ohm rheostat to the sensor and adjusted for both timing and fuel

@mommapanda5736 Жыл бұрын

@@dennisford2000 Check out that crazy fuel economy!@

@digitalchaos1980 Жыл бұрын

@@1987FX16 That's a very good idea, and I can tell you it should work that way too! I drive a 2003 Jeep WJ with the venerable ole 4.0. My model has the IAT in the intake manifold while the last model year for my model - 2004 - has the IAT in the airbox itself. I have an OBD reader and dedicated phone attached on my dash which has different guages on the screen so I can watch my timing, throttle position, engine load, rpms, coolant temp, etc. I also monitor my IAT and with the sensor in the intake it soaks up the engine heat and usually always read roughly the engine temp. About two years ago I calculated what value resistor I would need to wire in series with my IAT in order for the ECU to see what the actual incoming air temp is and once I did that it now reads pretty close to the actual incoming air and it bumped my ignition timing up quite a bit, enough to notice a little on acceleration, and it bumped my fuel mileage up a mpg or two! And it's been working beautifully that way for two years now! I've thought about wiring in a variable resistor so I could further play around with it, but I think I may leave well enough alone. 😎

@haydennorris2913 Жыл бұрын

Try adding covers to the back wheel well and maybe those smooth wheel covers trucks have to the front. A lot or drag comes from turbulence from wheels. Car companies mostly don't cover them because big fancy rims look cool and are a status symbol.

@bytesandbikes Жыл бұрын

yup. Top of the wheels are going twice as fast as the rest of the car

@flb78 Жыл бұрын

There's a lot of aerodynamic things they could do to the car. Basically need to make the car as egg shaped as possible. And then dimple all the sheet metal like a golf ball.

@benholroyd5221 Жыл бұрын

Citroen's of old looked cool and they had covered wheels

@MiGujack3 Жыл бұрын

@Matt I think it has a chance. A massive, heavy brick may not benefit much but a lightweight somewhat aerodynamic coupe may see a change.

@haydennorris2913 Жыл бұрын

@@flb78 golf ball dimples likely wouldn't help things at this scale unless you have really awful aero. Even then normal vortex generators places strategically would be better than the mini dimple vortex generators on a golf ball.

@johncollinsgrove1750 Жыл бұрын

Saturn's use the ignition module mounted on the trans and the coils mount on. There is a sensing circuit to listens for number 4 cylinder to fire. That is how it uses sequential injection. Also if you trick the intake air sensor that it is colder it will run more timing. At 100 dgs air temp it pulls 3 degrees of ign timing. But you will have to be creative because if you leave it tricked over night when you start it you will get a fault for it. I believe it uses the engine coolant temp to compare the intake temp for over night soaks to verify it is working.

@robotcantina8957 Жыл бұрын

I'll do an experiment this week, thanks for the heads up on the CLT and the IAT being compared on start up. We can easily get around that. Thanks again!

@ocdman202 Жыл бұрын

@@robotcantina8957 We look forward to this.

@johncollinsgrove1750 Жыл бұрын

@@robotcantina8957 also if you want to add more timing you can trick the map sensor to believing that the engine has more vacuum than it really does. But one thing you may start to run into is a system rich or lean fault. If the fuel trims ate + or - 20% of expected fuel delivery you will get a fault. I am unsure of any actions taken by the pcm other than the fault. Also. Map sensor is used as a barometric sensor and is used to gauge elevation prior to starting the engine. I have quite a bit of knowledge with saturns specifically. Let me know if you have any questions.

@kansasrose2909 Жыл бұрын

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@pimpstick2 Жыл бұрын

3 Hours for hillbilly proving grounds testing? Dang that's dedication, mad props for that! Much love for the content!

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@eformance Жыл бұрын

Probably the easiest way to monkey with ignition timing is to alter the intake air temperature sensor readings. The ECT and ACT will both influence ignition timing, but the ECT will also influence fueling. The ACT should primarily influence ignition timing, to account for cold and hot ambient temperatures.

@ocdman202 Жыл бұрын

Good Comment here.

@BrokeWrench Жыл бұрын

I finally found this comment, now i cad delete the one i just made

@anthonymarlette8124 Жыл бұрын

Glad you're happy to recieve the wideband, keep on keeping on!

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Dude! You rock!

@anthonymarlette8124 Жыл бұрын

@@dangerousdave5915 money well spent.

@robotcantina8957 Жыл бұрын

Hi Anthony! Thanks for the gift, we will use it on many future projects!

@ocdman202 Жыл бұрын

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@digitalchaos1980 Жыл бұрын

That was an awesome gesture! 😎

@flyonbyya Жыл бұрын

My ‘08 Yaris max mileage is 42…has 280,000 and still gets 42… it gets 36 no matter what. I had a ‘96 Tercel that got 52…no mods…was incredible !

@huzudra Жыл бұрын

Hey Jimbo, here's the CMP stuff you were needin. The electronic ignition (EI) module supplies a ground to the cylinder #4 signal wire whenever it determines cylinder #4 has just fired on its compression stroke. The EI module uses capacitive pickup plates located under the 1/4 coil pack to determine the polarity sequence and voltage amplitude of the cylinder 1/4 secondary ignition. The powertrain control module (PCM) supplies 5 volts on the signal line and expects to see the cylinder #4 signal wire go low after every 14 crankshaft pulses (2 revolutions). This is used to determine the position of the camshaft, except under decel. The PCM only uses the transition from 5-0 volts as a valid top dead center (TDC) compression #4 cylinder signal. DTC P0341 sets when the PCM detects extra cam pulses (more than one cam pulse within 2 crankshaft revolutions).

@robotcantina8957 Жыл бұрын

So that's how they do it, Very interesting indeed, I had a feeling the cam timing was done through the coil pack, but not a clue how it was done. Thanks!

@denisohbrien Жыл бұрын

For folks in europe, PSA did the same trick on the "TU" engines as a result they can get reall snotty about cheap coil packs. This isnt the same as SAAB's ion-sence thats a whole other bag of fancy fun.

@huzudra Жыл бұрын

@@denisohbrien I've been through the Saab story a few times, the coil pack is either unobtanium, discontinium, a used gamble, or aftermarket that just does not work correctly at all.

@huzudra Жыл бұрын

@@robotcantina8957 Yep, been through that whole process of having to learn how something works to figure out why it's not working more than a few times, thankfully this system is well documented so we're not all flyin blind which makes life a lot easier. It's a clever work around to save money that can probable be exploited (or exploded) for your goals if you wanted to dive that deep. If you can't easily change the time when the spark fires I wonder how changing when the fuel injector comes on would do? I know it's behind a valve but I don't know the relation of valve starting to open vs injector turn on time, might be such a thing that the injector can start a little early and be squirtin as the valve opens rather than once the valve is open. Batch fire worked pretty good for a while in the 80's and 90's so some fuel on the back of the intake valve isn't awful.

@mommapanda5736 Жыл бұрын

@@huzudra Some really great comments here.

@QuasiDude Жыл бұрын

The fact that you created a fully automatic system that improves the stock mpg, which was optimized by a team of engineers for several months, is honestly insane. I bet the robot throttle is pretty much exactly the same as the "eco mode" found on newer cars. I watch a lot of car KZfaq and I've NEVER seen someone experiment this much in the pursuit of better efficiency, it's really fun to watch

@tcmtech7515 Жыл бұрын

That's because they engineer for no such thing. All of the engineering is built around emissions compliance numbers at the tail pipe. Clean burning has nothing at all to do with engine A/F ratio relating to power and or fuel efficiency.

@hojnikb Жыл бұрын

@@tcmtech7515 Yes, exactly this! With engine designs (and ecu tunes) emissions output is #1 priority. MPGs are lower priority, but still a priority none the less. You see manufacturers still have to avarage a certain fleet mpgs not to get slapped by fines. In europe for example. fleet avarage has to be a certain CO2 (which directly corelates to mpgs) otherwise fines.

@imitt12 Жыл бұрын

We're also talking about 20+ year-old optimization from the engineers, and 20+ years of wear on the engine. Technology has advanced a lot since this car was new.

@kansasrose2909 Жыл бұрын

@@imitt12 indeed, technology has advanced quite a bit since this car was new..

@notsam498 Жыл бұрын

@@tcmtech7515 this isn't exactly true... In modern cars the only emissions equipment on them is that catalytic converter. After that the engine control is so precise it doesn't need anything else. Further fuel gets wasted on survivability, running lean is how you get knock. People like engines that don't explode. Power and efficiency are two sides of the same coin. What he's doing is overriding the driver behavior, this is fine but you might want a car that accelerates when you press the pedal. Further in modern engines they are hilariously more efficient but, consumers want power and bigger cars. This is the actual issue, car weights keep going up. It is remarkable we can have a 2 ton vehicle hit 30 highway honestly. I tune engines as a hobby and an in school for engineering. I have spent 100s of hours logging engines. I'm kinda giving a simplified explanation of things. The tldr is cars are getting heavier and faster that's why they don't get better mpgs.

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@whatatool Жыл бұрын

I used to work at staurn. I rebuilt a twin cam with flat face valves, had the head milled 20 thousandths, put on an obx header with 2.5" exhaust and some NGK plugs and got 42 mpg. I averaged 30 prior to that. Everything else was stock. Even the air box. Gained tons of HP. And it was a 4dr. Those engines got a bad rap for oil consumption but aren't bad little units.

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@iwal1645 Жыл бұрын

I've been working on my car for years. I learned more in your video's than my tiny cold cold heart can desire. Now on day three season 2 episode 28, wait a minute episode 13 was the best episode ever.

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Welcome to the episode 13 fan club!

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@GoldenCroc Жыл бұрын

For reference, one of the earliest (and therefore should be quite primitive) lean burn cars, The toyota Carina with the lean burn engine option of the mid 1990s, could get Air fuel values as far up as 17-18:1 when in lean burn mode, as far as I recall. But its been a looong time, perhaps those values from my memory are not fully accurate, and it was even a bit more.

@birdwrangler Жыл бұрын

Did this by accident with a lifted, carburated Toyota pickup 17 years ago. 200 miles on 1/3 tank of gas... normally it used 5x that. Acceleration was abysmal and going through a small town with the only stop of the drive, the engine would not idle at all, so I revved it and rolled through, just to get home. Once home I found the studs to mount the carb had backed out, allowing air in, causing it to run extremely lean. I pulled the plugs, scoped the pistons, and checked compression and everything was perfect. Great job using your head to push what is possible with gasoline engines.

@vilefly Жыл бұрын

The saturn ignition system is an ion sense ignition type. They call it "compression sensing" ignition. the cam sensor signal is GENERATED by ignition module. Check the wiring schematic. Be very sure your spark plug gap is set to factory specs. A cam sensor code will be generated if there is too much secondary resistance. Hope this helps.

@alantownsend5468 Жыл бұрын

Came to the comments to say this

@dimedriver Жыл бұрын

It is not an ion sense system. Only Saabs had that. It's a wasted spark system. Early Saturn S series had standard GM dis ignition modules. It fires spark to two cylinders at a time so it just doesn't need to care about cam position. One is approaching tdc compression stroke the other exhaust stroke. There was a change in the late 90 from the DIS ignition module under the coils to the coils being directly fired by the ecm. Coils were unchanged.

@vilefly Жыл бұрын

@@dimedriver It was sequential fuel injection. Not simultaneous double fire. What synched the injectors, eh?

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@draaks1 Жыл бұрын

my grandma had my great grandmas saturn for years. It was the biggest POS ever but 40 plus MPG easy. Would randomly roll its windows down by itself and you couldn't use the door locks or it would randomly start switching between unlock and lock for like 10 minutes that you could not physically pull the handle quick enough to get out (like how someone hits the unlock button when you already pulled the lever and it won't open the door). One time my grandma had to climb out the window cause they couldn't get out LOL. Grandparents loved (and hated) that car still one of their favorite stories about getting stuck inside.

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@nodrug2 Жыл бұрын

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@Fk8td Жыл бұрын

Having a crank sensor only turns the system into a multi port injection. That means fuel injectors fire when the valve is closed as well. This is how piggy back port injection systems work. One such example is called a “split second controller”. In a 4 cylinder it fires 2 cylinders at a time. 1 and 3 fire at the same time and so does 2 and 4. Also the ignition system is used as a wasted spark system where it fires the coils during the exhaust as well as compression cycle. Hope this helps. Hptuners has Saturn tuning capability. This would be a better option than a piggy back system. I’d be willing to help it here if this is something you are interested in.

@robotcantina8957 Жыл бұрын

Indeed, most engines with just a crank position sensor have the injectors batch fired, but on the Saturn they managed to do true sequential injection. If you look through through comments, someone did a great job explaining the saturn's method of sequential injection. Its bizarre, but apparently it works.

@kansasrose2909 Жыл бұрын

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@hojnikb Жыл бұрын

Actually they do have a true sequential injection AND timing. You see, you don't really need a cam sensor to determine each of the cylinder state. You can also achieve that using MAP sensor data. I'm not sure if saturn does it like this (it likely does) but some other euro cars from the alst century do exactly that to achieve sequential inj/timing.

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@raymonroe1983 Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't worry about acceleration. That Saturn in this experiment is fast enough. Think of it like the people behind you are waiting for a grandma to get up to speed and it's their responsibility to be safe behind you. Love these videos.

@ocdman202 Жыл бұрын

Good point here.

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@artursmihelsons415 Жыл бұрын

Excellent experiment video, as always! 👍 Results getting more closer to available from this engine! Great to see combinations of different tests!

@bertwilly2003 Жыл бұрын

Just the right mix of info and sarcasm. Kind of like a ToT video.

@oddojaggins Жыл бұрын

Impressive! Great lesson Jimbo, thank you for all those miles you drive. When it's diesel time in the coupe I hope are able to test out a few fuel alternatives for economy and power differences. I used to work in Oberlin Ohio which has the 2nd most expensive college in the state. A guy there had an old gas station that offered biofuel and he had old diesel Benz cars he converted, he was a little too ahead of his time though because he closed down. It was very surreal though when he would drive by and you'd smell French fries and Chinese food

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@rexhollingsworth Жыл бұрын

Got all of those fancy camera angles during the road tests!

@spuriouseffect Жыл бұрын

I never realized that Saturns had such good gas mileage. 40 is impressive enough.

@tomothybahamothy Жыл бұрын

Seriously that's Great!

@theinfernalcraftsman Жыл бұрын

Ahh remember the late 80s and early 90s GM ECMs where you could enable lean cruise. It was in the programming but never used because the NOX emissions were too high with it enabled. It was nice that they left it in the chip BIN for us to play with later on. Course I haven't burned a chip in probably 15+ years now and don't have the stuff to do it with anymore. Even then new blank chips were hard to come by.

@robotcantina8957 Жыл бұрын

Interesting that GM had that embedded in the code. Perhaps they were hoping for a solution to the NOX problem.

@208Concepts Жыл бұрын

The solution was more expensive hardware (catalytic converters). As for the Saturn, it uses a unique ECU that likely comes from Suzuki, but I imagine you could repin a 2.2 ECU from a Chevy to work.

@Rusty8592 Жыл бұрын

@@robotcantina8957 I think I mentioned this in the first lean burn video. The ecu ignored the O2 for 60 sec and calculated the injector pulse width for a leaner/specified ratio. It also advanced the timing by 10 degrees or so. It seemed to only be enabled (at least in the fbody cars) in 86 but was left in the code with the speed to enable set to 255.

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@@Rusty8592 A light bulb goes off for me when ever I watch ROBOT CANTINA videos...

@kansasrose2909 Жыл бұрын

@@ocdman202 You put the you in thank you Thank you ROBOT CANTINA.

@mommapanda5736 Жыл бұрын

My grandsons like to identify cars on the road while making long road trips. These 6 and 8 year olds loved the colorful pictures and alphabetical organization of this book. 😚😚😚😚😚😚😚

@xzkt Жыл бұрын

Thanks for update. This series is so interesting to me. Looking forward to more video. Phil

@elvsrbad2 Жыл бұрын

Great content, thanks for putting these together!

@MrEricErwin Жыл бұрын

I lost it when you cutoff Jimbo from under the car. They always do that... :)

@Jushwa Жыл бұрын

Since you seem like the type to not give up easily i subbed

@ocdman202 Жыл бұрын

HEY JIMBO..... congratulations on reaching 100k subscribers.. ROBOT CANTINA is providing the entertainment and fun that viewers enjoy..

@devivoman Жыл бұрын

I was more excited than I should have been seeing the Golf GTI/R represented on the dyno slide! Get a DSG transmission and its the ultimate fartbox! Thanks as always for the content!

@bhash96530 Жыл бұрын

I look forward to these on Sunday!

@markchapman2585 Жыл бұрын

Man your smart. Thanks for dumming it down so i can understand. Keep up the great work.

@ocdman202 Жыл бұрын

A light bulb goes off for me when ever I watch ROBOT CANTINA....

@dannymitchell6131 Жыл бұрын

The sarcasm really adds a lot to these videos. Kudos

@mommapanda5736 Жыл бұрын

Did you see all of season one????

@mommapanda5736 Жыл бұрын

We are all looking forward to more videos from ROBOT CANTINA@

@ocdman202 Жыл бұрын

a must for anyone interest in the mechanism of automobiles. I had no knowledge in automobile ,no knowledge of how this intricate system works as a whole to give motion. When I purchase this book ,I was intimidated of popping the hood trying to figure out what parts function in what . I am half way through this book,and Now I am confident about what all know because of this book... This book a must for those who :lack basic knowledge of an engine, for those who are tired of doing Google searches In attempts to learn the function of certain parts, already have some knowledge of the basics ,want to get involved in being their own weekend mechanic.etc.

@kansasrose2909 Жыл бұрын

Books are fun..... I am looking forward to another video from ROBOT CANTINA..

@mommapanda5736 Жыл бұрын

@@kansasrose2909 I like popping the hood.... LOOKING FORWARD TO MORE FROM ROBOT CANTINA.

@ocdman202 Жыл бұрын

The distance between insanity and genius is measured by success.. Keep going Jimbo.... we are along for the ride!

@ocdman202 Жыл бұрын

I would rather watch ROBOT CANTINA than anything on NUTFLIX 😜😜😜

@ocdman202 Жыл бұрын

NUTFLIX!!

@kansasrose2909 Жыл бұрын

@@ocdman202 The nuts and chews are the best kind of candy.

@kansasrose2909 Жыл бұрын

Looking forward to more from ROBOT CANTINA!!!! You go JIMBO!!

@kansasrose2909 Жыл бұрын

No experiment can ever prove that a scientific theory is true; we can only demonstrate that its validity either extends or fails to extend to whatever regime we test it in

@Mattjki Жыл бұрын

Possibly the best-produced videos on KZfaq! Great explanations with media effects to illustrate concepts.

@ocdman202 Жыл бұрын

A light bulb goes off for me when I watch ROBOT CANTINA

@kansasrose2909 Жыл бұрын

@@ocdman202 Looking forward to more great videos here.

@thewilliamss2392 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely love the information

@erickwport Жыл бұрын

Just in awe of these videos, still drive a sl1 as my daily.

@SixPackDan Жыл бұрын

I bought the wife a 4 door SL1 sedan. Turns out i needed it for long trips for work. Soooo I changed all fluids and greases to synthetic, opened up the plug gap, created a ram air, always drove with the windows up and the air off. Took the wipers off and installed in internal antenna and pulled the right mirror. Over pressurize the low rolling resistance tires. Built a bigger front spoiler and added side skirts. With regular gas (no ethanol) I was getting 52 mpg at 60 mph! Dealer couldn't believe it and wanted to call saturn. Oh i forgot.... pure New Mexico highways. I also just got rid of a Geo metro Xfi with even more mods. It hit 61 mpg!

@kansasrose2909 Жыл бұрын

omg👍

@mommapanda5736 Жыл бұрын

Inching closer toward horror than comedy, this Joss Whedon hit ends up on pretty much everyone’s list of favorite horror movies. And how could it not? The Cabin in the Woods both celebrates and dismantles the classic horror tropes we all know and love

@ocdman202 Жыл бұрын

CABIN IN THE WOODS ..... one of my favorites..

@lindsaythomas2283 Жыл бұрын

In 1981 I bought a new Dodge Omni Miser. 1.7 liter 4 cyl 4 speed manual transaxle. It was the 4 door, not the 2 door more aerodynamic model. I believe it had a carb, not fuel injected. But somehow the fuel/air mixture was adjusted by a computer for economy. I drove that car from Akron, Ohio to Myrtle Beach and back, and from Akron to Tampa and back. We got an honest 41 and 42 mpg with no modifications, just very careful acceleration and slowly decelerating as we climbed hills. I often wondered what I could have gotten with a different final drive ratio and maybe narrower tires and maybe ignition timing changes. That was 40 years ago. The auto makers should have gotten WAY better mpg by now.

@ShookieJay Жыл бұрын

This is honestly my favorite channel on youtube nowadays. I always look forward to the latest release of Robot Cantina! It's pretty astounding to think that you are quite literally "hacking" these cars. A point you brought up really struck me... the fact that the factory computer has no idea that any of this is going on but yet still yield a result. Basically the definition of hacking lol. Hats off to you for figuring all this out, it really is amazing, not to mention entertaining!

@ocdman202 Жыл бұрын

My favorite on you tube also...

@kansasrose2909 Жыл бұрын

@@ocdman202 Man, this is by far the best you = tube channel. ROBOT CANTINA all the way!

@kansasrose2909 Жыл бұрын

Can't wait to see what this channel does next

@mommapanda5736 Жыл бұрын

Rainy days should be spent at home with a cup of tea and a good book.

@kansasrose2909 Жыл бұрын

“Some journeys are direct, and some are circuitous; some are heroic, and some are fearful and muddled. But every journey, honestly undertaken, stands a chance of taking us toward the place where our deep gladness meets the world’s deep need.”

@spangledhooper Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the great content Jimbo!

@ocdman202 Жыл бұрын

Looking forward to more from JIMBO...

@AngelaAtLarge Жыл бұрын

My first car was an SL1 sedan in that same candy apple red. I was told there were only a few made in that color. Nice to see one still kicking!

@ocdman202 Жыл бұрын

I am really looking forward to more from Robot Cantina...

@mike_oe Жыл бұрын

I love your series and watch most them from beginning to end with a nice cup of coffee. Very enjoyable, thank you. (Meanwhile, IRL, I rely on our second car, a 13 year old BMW 120D to provide comfortable, hassle free transportation at less than 5 l / 100km. Combined, year round, mainly urban area traffic)

@russellramsey8389 Жыл бұрын

Love these videos. Great Work!!! It would be amazing to see this on a standalone management. Anyway, can't wait for the next video. I wish you were closer so we could share notes. I too have a lean burn setup on my 71 Camaro with a 4-cylinder Mitsubishi that was originally tuned and tested in my 91 Talon AWD TSi. I doubled my fuel milage utilizing a home-built Pre- Chamber that can run up to 30:1 A/F. Keep the videos coming!!!

@fikalaredo5762 Жыл бұрын

This is epic. And what a well put together video, your efforts don’t go unnoticed. If you made plug and play kits for other cars I bet you’d be selling lots 👍 but then the fuel companies will have a bounty out for your head lol

@reverse_engineered Жыл бұрын

Great job on the camera work during the drive. I can see your filming and editing skills just keep getting better and better over time.

@ocdman202 Жыл бұрын

Me too.... He is doing a hell of job on these videos

@mommapanda5736 Жыл бұрын

@@ocdman202 One hell of a job.

@mommapanda5736 Жыл бұрын

Looking forward to more from ROBOT CANTINA!!

@mommapanda5736 Жыл бұрын

Since I have been watching all the episodes of ROBOT CANTINA.. I have been able to keep a smile on my face and a song in my heart..

@mommapanda5736 Жыл бұрын

Sometimes I put on ROBOT CANTINA just to hear the nice music...

@ocdman202 Жыл бұрын

@@mommapanda5736 I have been watching the videos since way back when.... now I have them on repeat...

@ocdman202 Жыл бұрын

I like to keep ROBOT CANTINA up and running when I am doing chores in the garage...

@mommapanda5736 Жыл бұрын

@@ocdman202 I have watched all of season one of ROBOT CANTINA, you?

@dangerousdave5915 Жыл бұрын

@@mommapanda5736 Sure have! Loads of fun!

@TheBlaert Жыл бұрын

This is fantastic stuff. I did a few experiments years ago with a diesel VW Polo. Just easy things like removing unnecessary weight, streamlining and improving aerodynamics. I also put on slightly narrower tyres which reduced the drag coefficient. Didn't get too involved with the engine except a remapped ecu but I did add a different gearbox for a longer top gear and final drive

@opticalip1 Жыл бұрын

This just makes me miss my old SL2, one of the more reliable cars I have owned not to mention one of the best cars to teach stick on. (Had a friend that would constantly forget to press the clutch when trying to shift)

@mommapanda5736 Жыл бұрын

Where has this channel been all my life!?

@snowdog993 Жыл бұрын

LOL! I was one of the first I believe to spread the word of your channel way back.... at least I think so.

@kansasrose2909 Жыл бұрын

so very glad the word has been spread... thanks to one and all who favor this channel.. they can proudly say they knew of his talent way back when.

@ocdman202 Жыл бұрын

@@kansasrose2909 I am a believer!

@mommapanda5736 Жыл бұрын

We love it when Jimbo does experiments...👍👍👍

@ocdman202 Жыл бұрын

we LOVE ROBOT CANTINA...

@ocdman202 Жыл бұрын

We know the ingredients that life requires are ubiquitous everywhere we look: in asteroids, in gas in the galactic center, in outflows around massive, newly forming stars, and even in the atmospheres and on the surface of other planets and moons in our Solar System.

@mommapanda5736 Жыл бұрын

@@ocdman202 interesting comment.

@michaelblacktree Жыл бұрын

Back when I owned a Saturn (over 10 yrs ago) the trick for fuel economy was a "hot air intake". The ECU will add some timing if the intake air is hot, and also reduce fueling a bit. You could probably get the same effect by spoofing the IAT sensor. It's just a variable resistor.

@HANDBANANNA Жыл бұрын

Love your vids! One of the most interesting on KZfaq! I love Saturn wagons too.

@mommapanda5736 Жыл бұрын

I am partial to Saturn wagons also.

@ocdman202 Жыл бұрын

@@mommapanda5736 Looking forward to more great videos from ROBOT CANTINA..

@kansasrose2909 Жыл бұрын

so anxious waiting... for the next fantastic video..... from ROBOT CANTINA..

@ocdman202 Жыл бұрын

JIMBO, CONGRATULATIONS ON 115K SUBSCRIBERS!!😊😊

@kansasrose2909 Жыл бұрын

We all love it when JIMBO explains things... especially the upgrades on both systems. 💖💖💖

@mommapanda5736 Жыл бұрын

@kansasrose2909 Жыл бұрын

@@mommapanda5736 We all love the Videos from ROBOT CANTINA.

@kansasrose2909 Жыл бұрын

The camera angles were really fantastic on this video.

@ocdman202 Жыл бұрын

@@kansasrose2909 That driving on the bridge thing had me dizzy.

@mommapanda5736 Жыл бұрын

Released in 1911 as “Self-Propelled Vehicles: A Practical Treatise,” James Homans’ spectacular, all-encompassing book about the fascinating world of gas-powered, electric-powered, and steam-powered motor vehicles leaves no stone unturned in its celebration of the classic automobile.

@mommapanda5736 Жыл бұрын

Every entrepreneur responsible for innovation within their organization should read this book. It entertainingly and meticulously develops a rigorous science for the innovation process through the methodology of “lean thinking”

@ocdman202 Жыл бұрын

I love that lean thinking stuff...🤓🤓🤓🤓

@Lunify Жыл бұрын

First thing that came to my mind is adding a LPG injection. That would be interesting!

@piotrcurious1131 Жыл бұрын

To use LPG efficiently he would need engine with much higher compression ratio and different cylinder ratio, and having ability to actually have a map for timing advance. As for timing advance, solution simply to piggy-back speeduino to the system, having speeduino having all the inputs, but controlling only ignition. More fuss is with compression ratio. Running on LPG with poor fuel economy is always cheaper anyway, but ofc volumetric -wise fuel economy will be worse. OTOH LPG is better for engine as it allows running engine more rich at same cost, and with slower burn front it does not strain crank bearings so much as normal gasoline does. last but not least it does not pollute or dilute oil like gasoline. But that matters only for new cars you are planning to keep for some time, for old Saturn destined for scrap it is not worth the hassle.

@mommapanda5736 Жыл бұрын

@@piotrcurious1131 This is a fantastic comment.... A light bulb just went off here....

@XeroVMK Жыл бұрын

The work is amazing that you put in to this. And it is fun to get an understanding on how different components effect the performance of the engine. I had an 1995 Volvo 440 SE 2.0. It had an PSA motor that used a simple EFI system with MAP-sensor in the intake, water temp and air temp. And it used an DIM ignition with the ford style combined coil-pack. It averaged 6.5l/100km in city/urban driving. But on longer trips (400km+) we could get it to 4.5l/100km. I would have loved to have been able to dig in tot that ECM and see what type of witchcraft the PSA engineers managed. It also just accepted an 50/50 gas e85 mix. Even tough the fuel economy suffered. Anyhow, great content as usual :)

@mommapanda5736 Жыл бұрын

Looking forward to another great video from ROBOT CANTINA.

@jasonz7788 Жыл бұрын

Thanks 👍 great work Sir

@mommapanda5736 Жыл бұрын

“Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don’t matter and those who matter don’t mind.”

@kansasrose2909 Жыл бұрын

In biology, we can know the genetic makeup of two parent organisms, and can predict the probability with which their offspring will inherent a certain combination of genes.

@kansasrose2909 Жыл бұрын

If genes matter, then the combination is more interesting.

@ignacioanaya3403 Жыл бұрын

Great experiment, will watch all episodes!

@mommapanda5736 Жыл бұрын

We are all looking forward to more episodes here.

@kansasrose2909 Жыл бұрын

@@mommapanda5736 Every scientific theory has a finite range of validity: inside that range, the theory is indistinguishable from true, outside of that range, the theory is no longer true.

@kansasrose2909 Жыл бұрын

Science is not about finding the absolute truth of the Universe. No matter how much we’d like to know what the fundamental nature of reality is, from the smallest subatomic scales to the largest cosmic ones and beyond, this is not something science can deliver.

@pauloconnor7951 Жыл бұрын

Totally Love it !!! Very relevant !!!

@kansasrose2909 Жыл бұрын

An MBA in under 180 pages, Seeing the Big Picture simplifies the complexities of businesses large and small and shows you how a deep understanding of your company can help build the credibility and career you want.

@mommapanda5736 Жыл бұрын

I would like to build credibility but the career is up for grabs...

@kansasrose2909 Жыл бұрын

@@mommapanda5736 Ruffles No other chip tastes as delicious when dipped in French onion dip than the original Ruffles. When we close our eyes and think of a picnic-which we do with alarming regularity-these chips are what come to mind. They are the kings of the crinkly chip world, but it’s the flavored options that bump these down a little. Like Lays and Pringles, there are seemingly 400 flavors of Ruffles on the shelf at any given point, but only Cheddar & Sour Cream are worth your time.

@kansasrose2909 Жыл бұрын

“Sometimes we must look outside our own backyards to realize how big the world is and how blessed we are.”

@Sparkyspage Жыл бұрын

Saturn s-series are basically a tractor to begin with. A shop’s favourite vehicle 🚗

@z_actual Жыл бұрын

60 MPH is fast enough for some kind of contemporary aero kit to have a strong effect on the figures Start with simple panel alignment, then tape the seams, and eventually move to splitter, front damn, side curtains and a diffuser on the back

@ocdman202 Жыл бұрын

Love these videos...... Keep up the great work ROBOT CANTINA!!

@kansasrose2909 Жыл бұрын

GREAT WORK....... ROBOT CANTINA!

@ocdman202 Жыл бұрын

@@kansasrose2909 I would rather watch ROBOT CANTINA than anything on NUTFLIX 😜😜😜

@ocdman202 Жыл бұрын

@kansasrose2909 Жыл бұрын

@@ocdman202 Can't wait to see what ROBOT CANTINA does next!

@ocdman202 Жыл бұрын

@@kansasrose2909 this may escalate into hyperbole

@detroitredneckdetroitredne6674 Жыл бұрын

Hello from Detroit Michigan brother 94\275 Thank you for taking us on your adventure And thank you for your knowledge and expertise

@fngonuts Жыл бұрын

Love the diesel idea. That Saturn wagon is sharp looking..

@thexaviergoat4621 Жыл бұрын

Your channel is full of awesome experiments and content I love it , unusual yes but very fun to watch

@kansasrose2909 Жыл бұрын

Totally agree here... so fun to watch☺☺☺☺

@ocdman202 Жыл бұрын

@@kansasrose2909 Looking forward to more from ROBOT CANTINA!

@kansasrose2909 Жыл бұрын

In my role as a workforce optimization coach, I have found it the best practice to recommend this amazing book to my clients who are growing their business and leaders

@kansasrose2909 Жыл бұрын

If your organization is growing and you have young leaders that have been loyal to the business and should be given the opportunity to grow right

@kansasrose2909 Жыл бұрын

I’ve never been a “numbers” person and the class I struggled with the most in business school was Accounting

@kansasrose2909 Жыл бұрын

It’s so fascinating to follow profitability through a company’s financial journal,

@802Garage Жыл бұрын

Awesome stuff. Really enjoying everything you put out!

@robotcantina8957 Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoy it!

@ocdman202 Жыл бұрын

@@robotcantina8957 👍👍👍👍

@ocdman202 Жыл бұрын

Looking forward to more from ROBOT CANTINA!

@kansasrose2909 Жыл бұрын

@@ocdman202 You put the you in thank you Thank you, ROBOT CANTINA!

@johnbelwell2461 Жыл бұрын

If you want to play with the crankshaft position sensor, forget the wheel on the crankshaft, the wheel on most 4 cylinder GM engines is removable from the crank, so you can get another one and mount it on the pulley then make a bracket to mount the sensor. That's where they are on cars with the GM Family 1 engine such as the Daewoo Lanos.

@maxspruit8370 Жыл бұрын

This was awesome!

@91CavGT5 Жыл бұрын

I have always wondered about how involved the knock sensor is in day to day ignition timing. Very interesting results! Thanks JimBo!!

@MartijnPeek Жыл бұрын

On a Honda it seems to be very involved, or atleast it is on a second gen Honda CR-V. When the knock sensor went out, the mileage became horrible.

@trace9130 Жыл бұрын

Adding the map reading elements of the smart throttle to the cruise control would be very cool. It would also have the possibility of removing the second throttle body because the cruise control would perform the same function of controlling the throttle

@ocdman202 Жыл бұрын

Looking forward to another great video from ROBOT CANTINA..