I mean that dude got his throat cut. Could be an accident or could not be. I don't want see people die. From not fighting. I rather see fighting.

Keep fighting

Fighting has not killed a single NHL player and has only killed one player from what I’ve seen throughout 150 years of hockey history. Keep it in.

Fighting is a big part of what make hockey hockey. Keep

Better not be. Get a grip.

At the adult level, yes! I do not want 7 year old kids getting bare knuckle fights that could lead to years of potential issues. Save that for the grown ups. When you’re fully developed, you can do whatever you want.

@@simoncaton1226 It’s not a problem until the boys are 10-11ish. Prior to that the fights are just funny. Gloves never come off, they all bunch up and shove each other like a mosh pit 😂

​@simoncaton1226 I agree. But here's the thing The game is physical, there are physical players at all ages and that's just part of the game. The kids just like me grew up watching players engage in fights (some of which were completely staged) and loved it. Now no kids shouldn't be fighting without gloves and a helmet on nor would I encourage it but it does happen. It's part of the game. Parents know the risks of signing their kids up, players learn to understand the risks as they get older. If you don't want to fight you don't have to. But if you do it's a choice. Just like drinking alcohol or smoking. There's consequences. I don't think fighting is that serious, nor is frequently doing it. Hits to the head cause the most issues and all leagues have cracked down on that. So no I don't support kids fighting, but if they choose its their decision and up to them and their families. I would prefer they settle it that way than to kick someone with a skate, slash them in the face, or run someone from behind or deliver a head shot. Those can cause far more damage.

I'd say there is a huge difference between banning hits generally (bad idea) and fights (perfectly fine to ban for me but I understand ppl wanting it to stay)

​@@simoncaton1226 if you ban checking the kids will have a really bad wake up, when the hit the leagues with allowed body checks.

Most of those who want to remove fighting understand hockey very well, they just don't have an emotional attachment to the fighting aspect of the game.

I know right, it's just an inherently dangerous gane. That's like taking head kicks away from ufc.

​@@neeltheother2342Yeah, the ones who needed someone else to stand up for them to enforce the code.

​@@neeltheother2342they might understand hockey but they don't know hockey. They likelynjust watch and have never played. At least not at a higher level

@@DavidRogers-by9swBut the UFC bans knees to a grounded opponent, soccer kicks, downward elbows, etc. Specifically for fighter safety and fair competition. All stuff other organizations allow still or have allowed at one point. Not really a great comparison. I don’t want to remove fighting but we have to be honest about the dynamics and culture of it all as well. Not just the obvious stuff.

Well said

Fight sparked life in the islanders tonight

​@@marciimeris503until they lost it ☠️

@@Mitch12556 yea.... that's just islanders things tho

yea i dont get it nobody complains about mma or boxing because "theyre fighters its what they do" or somethin like that. but why cant hockey players be seen in the same type of light yk? theyre fighters its what they do

Exactly they’ll never remove fighting from the NHL it would destroy the league. They removed fighting from the QMJHL which just makes it more dangerous for players who want to take on an enforcer role in the NHL because there fighting skill won’t be as well developed compared to players from junior leagues that still allow fighting. Plus if you’re a super star player nobody’s just gonna beat the shit out of you, no player wants to be the reason Connor McDavids career ended early.

Problem is the canvas isn’t as hard as concrete and they aren’t wearing knives on their feet. I’m a big fan of both sports but it’s definitely not the same. Hockey is probably more dangerous in terms of acute injury potential. And I’m sure hockey players also get CTE so idk man

A sanctioned bout, is a legal contract that a fight will take place under state rules and both parties agree. This is why its a crime to hit someone after the fight is over, as it is no longer part of the sanctioned bout and both fighters are beholden to the law of the land. I don’t think this is a good comparison, hockey and UFC. I’m not against fighting in hockey, but its all a legal gray area. Mostly its a handful of jersey and whiffed haymakers so people don’t care. Whenever someone is genuinely hurt, is when these discussions take place again.

@Deeplycloseted435 yea but when was the last time someone was genuinely hurt during a fight? like serious serious injury? rick dipietro like 10 years ago or ray emery?? those are the 2 that come to mind and theyre both goalies.. and besides ray emery and jay beagle idt theres been many law suits due to a fight in the nhl in the last 20 years

Lost your house on gambling?

@@_JamesBrownall you gotta know is how many people actually do lose everything gambling to realize it should not be advertised to the public

@@noahj.1232 The very first time I ever went into a casino, I won a thousand bucks. That set me up for about 2 years of gambling addiction. I managed to stop and don't gamble in any form now. Except of course, crossing the streets in a big city, that's always a gamble.

Honestly I’ve been at a cross roads. KZfaq ad rates have dropped substantially since the pandemic, and if I want to keep doing KZfaq full time at this point in my life (wedding, house, kids) I need to be an earner. I had a big sports betting deal offered to me which would do that. I personally sports bet responsibly, and my only thing is if I were to do a deal, it would be about being responsible.

I second this, Rob you’re a good human for not taking the gambling revenue. ❤

Now that's comedy gold

​@TheHat--Man it isnt true anymore though.....

@@Gl-my8fw, its a tie now but what team goes to next round ? Leafs or Rangers

Finished out the series with more than Ovi

Should tell this to Ontarios hockey leagues. They might ban hitting in U14

With what we know about brain damage from sports, allowing people like Cooke to injure someone for life and continue to play is criminal. While I don’t condone fighting, at least the two guys choose to do it.

@@MassReelFishing correct and a hit to the body is just as bad for your brain as a potential punch, esc dirty hits you’re not prepared for. The main reason fighting is still around isn’t because of the fans, or they would remove the instigator rule, it’s because the fighters want it. Watching the Rangers play with Rempe seemed to just nullify Wilson and they seemed to play fearless.

Matt Cooke has weaseled in anyways (which I agree he should never have been able to)

I know it’s very rare, but the chance of getting knocked unconscious and hitting your head against the ice while totally limp *is* a legitimate health and safety concern. At the end of the day nobody has to fight anybody, so maybe we just sort of shift the culture a bit so people don’t feel the need to take people on for pride or honor. Idk

@@AgxntOrange You will not eliminate bad guys that need to be fought, so you have to make sure your good guys are ready to step in. Sport has traditionally been used for exactly that, so that men have some form of combat so they don't take it to the street, as much. Do you want some thug to just be able to rob a woman in broad daylight and have no man step in and fight out of honor for the woman? Well you have to reward his bravery, or else that woman is very likely to be killed if she resists, or robbed at the very least and possibly killed anyway. There have already been incidents of men not protecting women being attacked, and it's because your culture of no honor punishes men for defending innocent lives. A culture without honor, means a culture with no good men, and no one who will fight for their fellow man. Sport engrains this in us as young lads, he hit my friend, I'll beat him up. Later a woman is attacked in the street, "that man is attacking a woman, I will go to protect her." I do not enjoy going on such a long diatribe in regard to sport, but you brought up the asinine idea of eliminating honor.

​@@AgxntOrangego watch soccer

hits to the head are inevitable there will always be headshots even unintentionally. size and body position is very crucial and the game is so fast some players dont have the time to adjust their bodies according to a hit

Helmets could I only do so much I feel.

@@zoopie9935 yeah obviously like most things in life it will take multiple steps to improve but will never not be without some risk

@@janzkee obviously there’s no way to remove all risk but that doesn’t mean they can’t work to improve, also the players can adjust they are the best players in the world they will and do adapt every year

You can get a concussion without getting hit in the head anyways, the whiplash from a clean open ice hit can do just as much damage

This. And is he really going to be staying in the lineup all the time if he can't produce offensively (which admittedly he currently is doing)? Isn't the whole reason enforcers have become rare because there's no room on rosters for players whose only skills are violence-based? Also, he's not getting paid for the playoffs.

Could "The Code" not be... codified (written down). And enforced by a power structure (example: a referee) rather than a vigilante opponent taking immediate and potentially unjust revenge?

@@joelsteve94no

I mostly agree with this, but with a few caveats: - Individual cases probably aren't a good metric, but in general way back then the game was slower and average player size was smaller. So that would result in fewer chronic brain injuries on the whole. - Howe took some nasty hits in his time and his son says there was a lot of cognitive impairment in Gordie's last decade and a half that would be consistent with repeated concussions. - Even on skates a lot of this window of CTE cases comes from the days when enforcers were taking their helmets off an engaging in lengthy cocaine fueled hammer fests on each other's heads.

If both hits AND fights are causing head injuries, why not remove both? If cheap shots are a problem, why not remove the offenders non-violently (via a ref, suspension, etc.)?

​@@joelsteve94because no one wants to turn hockey into another soft sport like soccer or basketball and no one would watch.

@@joelsteve94Remove hits? Go watch basketball dude 😂

@joelsteve94 why not embellish and flop around like you've been shot? Roll around holding your shin until the ref blows a whistle? Contact in an enclosed space at high speeds with men in excess of 180 lbs minimum with sticks will result in contact. What you are proposing is a different sport entirely

Olivier is golfing and Rempe is scoring goals 😅

No one is saying they need to remove it. He is a dirty player. The hits and injured players with illegal hits.

@@brittrugg2676 people are litterally saying to remove it and it has been banned at major junior levels of play

It fuels many leagues

Meh, Canadian fan here. I’ve never watched a game for the fights. I’ve always loved the good fights, but I’ve never watched the game for them. As a child, I found them exciting, yet having lived through the post-enforcer era, I didn’t find the game less exciting. Especially through the anti-fight era, it’s clear fighting has its place, but it doesn’t define the game. We used to expect 1 or 2 fights per game, and now it’s not uncommon to have a couple games without a fight. The fight still happens, and it still matters, but the game has become faster and more focused on skill than ever before. I love it. Break the code, get broken; but the focus is more on the talent, imo. The game is faster than it’s ever been, and the brief period of zero physical consequences seems to have departed as well. I really think this particular time is some of the best hockey we’ve ever seen. It’s seems the balance has been found, for the time being.

Fraud Lame-U won Hart along with sweep in 95… then hits Kris Draper into the boards from behind 😡🤬🖕🏽🖕🏽 fractured orbital, 60+ stitches 17 broken teeth.. Thank you Darren McCarty 3/26/97 one of the best days of my life! Late birthday gift that game changing brawl, along with winning the Stanley Cup Mr Draper played 17yrs for my Red Wings, still works for the team til this day! Freakin apologize already Fraud Lame-U

What do you mean? My fiancé used the account on her phone

@@RobTalksHockeyon Ticketmaster there is a message that says they aren't transferable (for this tour) so unless she has the Ticketmaster account that bought the tickets she won't be able to receive them. While you will get a refund for the show it won't come until after the concert is over.

We share accounts and the tickets will be on her phone!

Yes

For sure, but it’s no secret that having many concussions throughout a career will lead to CTE

Concussions skyrocketed when players were properly put through protocol

Source?

Lol Did not expect to see you here Marc

Except you have shoulder pads and a helmet/visor on, so not really an accurate comparison

Uneducated people would tell you it's Gretzky

Gretzky and MSL are two undrafted players that are better. That being said, there’s a chance that Panarin can pass Martin St.Louis. There isn’t a bigger Ranger fan than me but I think it’s going to take a cup and a few more season putting up similar numbers to this year.

@@stevenbrodeur3023 Gretzky certainly never got drafted since he was offered a contract at 16 years old. He doesn't even count as undrafted in my book.

Soccer is pretty gay too, as far as flopping and general pussyness.