“That was great because it got rid of all those guys with hairspray and leotards. Then Kurt came in like a phoenix and cut them down like wheat before the sickle. 'You are DONE.' I particularly loved his music. When one of his songs came on it just hit you - it was so good and there won’t be any more." -Tom Petty

GNR suffered because of Axl not Nirvana

Layne Staley's interview was about In utero not Nevermind...💀

It never affected Pantera. I feel like 80s Metal was already on its way out and the 90s grunge scene was just another scene that music labels could exploit. It didnt take long for grunge to die either.

Guns N Roses still filled up stadiums after Nevermind. They imploded from within. Grunge didn't hurt them at all.

Kurt such a nice guy what he said about MJ was so respectful...

Guns N' Roses wasn't destroyed, or even diminished by Nirvana. The music video for November Rain came out 5 months after the release of Nevermind, and it still debuted #1 on MTV's most wanted, and went on to be the most requested video on MTV, ever. It is also the first music video on KZfaq that was released before the advent of KZfaq to reach 1 billion views. It currently has 2.1 billion views compared to 1.8 billion views for Smells Like Teen Spirit.

My uncle was their original drummer. Unfortunately for him, he got kicked out shortly before the made it big.

Sixx talking about fashion is hilarious

Im probably in the Minority here but i Loved both the illusion albums & Nevermind at the same time back in the day. I understood they were different bands with different styles but i could appreciate both styles of Music. The feud between Grunge & Hair Metal was totally created by the Media. Some of the bands got into it but most just wanted to write music and tour.

"Hair Metal", is actually a derogatory term, coined by 80's Thrash Bands, as an insult to Glam Metal...the actual subgenre. Nirvana, and Grunge, didn't kill anything. The 80's were all about having a good time, and enjoying life. The 90's brought in a time of change: angst, depression, despair; self loathing became the "new norm". The 90's were the hangover from the 80's; nobody wanted to have good times anymore. Glam Metal killed itself, it imploded...nothing to do with Nirvana or Grunge. Guns n Roses co-headlined tours with Metallica, a year after Nevermind was released...but they destroyed themselves, as well. Nirvana and Grunge didn't kill anything, they just added to the flavor. 🤘🏻

When I was growing up, I liked music of all of these bands, mostly of Gnr and Nirvana. I had no idea there was some clash of styles or whatever, it was just good music, evoking somewhat different emotions.

nevermind is such a masterpiece

A bunch of trend-followers from the 80s whining that they didn't manage to successfully follow the 90s trends. G'N'R continued to sell albums and sell out stadiums throughout "Grunge era". Grunge had no impact on their popularity. The writer sounds like they weren't there.

It's funny because everyone was sold on Nirvana because of Smells Like Teen Spirit. It was the Come as You Are video that sold me. I was 10 spending the weekend at my mom's because my parents were divorced. That video came on, and it blew my mind. I was like, "holy crap! This song is amazing!" I had the Nevermind cassette the very next weekend 😂

Forever NIRVANA 🗿

Nirvana Forever💯💥👊🏽🔥😎

Rachel was right 100% in his analysis. Lots of Nirvana copycats stagnated the market and ruined it.

Thats the problem with music industry. Always on rivalry. Not supporting all bands. Making bad opinion to other bands just to destroy reputations of other bands.

nikki cannot be talking about fashion movements lmao

In the early 90's a lot of established musicians disregarded "grunge music" as being a passing fad that would soon disappear, when in fact it was "hair bands" that were the fad. They needed something to blame for their failing album sales and decreased popularity, and NIRVANA made for the perfect target. There's not one bad track on Nevermind, and it changed rock music forever. But how long did they actually think that their stale music and teased out hair and lipstick was going to last? Were we going to pay for songs like "Unskinny Bop" forever? Hair bands died of natural causes.

Love 80's metal - all genres...love Nirvana, and AIC is still killing it! Pearl Jam?? Not so much - sorry. You can like music without a label on it. My heart is still stuck in the 80's though!!

Mötley Crüe’s 1994 was and is an amazing album.

Really góod bands could mostly survive. Metallica, GnR, ac/DC, Ozzy , and others survived. Grunge helped filter out a lot of crap. Still really love that first Poison record though.

I remember 1991 being a turning point in rock music.

I remember reading somewhere that due to the corrupt practices in the recording industry, each band member of Nirvana made a total of like $40,000 for Nevermind. That's crazy to me.

as someone who grew up at the time, granted it was a little young but was really into music when that happened, 80s hair metal hit a wall because it was all the same, it had become formulaic at the time, the youth of that time were tired of that sound and what it stood for, we wanted something more raw, less polished and meant something more

Music is all subjective - listen to whatever the Fek you like.

How isn't 'Hairspray Queen' not mentioned in this vid?

yeah i think cause nirvana created a new genre to the new era 90's, and I thought it was amazing

AIC shouldve been in rock n roll HOF button👇🏻

I was more into Alice in Chains. Korn. White Zombie etc.....And I love the 80s. Every decade is their own thing. I don't know much about the 70s, but i imagine it also was a great decade 🤘🎵

I still remember the first time I heard Nirvana, SLTS on the radio in my bedroom late at night. I spent the rest of the night searching the radio channels to see if I could hear the song again. Next day at school everyone was suddenly talking about Nirvana. Funny thing is before that I was listening to all the hair metal bands. That night everything changed for me musically. I don't remember the first time I heard Poison but I'll never forget Nirvana.

All I can hear when you make the sound you use every time you change subjects is Kurt saying, "Moderate rock" lol

Mother Love Bone which basically turned into Pearl Jam, and Alice in Chains both were hair bands before they made their. Soundgarden and Nirvana were not. Now I wouldn't say Mother Love Bone was exactly like the hair band were talking about in this video, but it was sort of swaggy rock and roll along the lines of guns n' roses more so than warrant or Motley Crue

I don’t get the Hate towards Either Camp…I Enjoyed VH/Ratt/Dokken/Whitesnake (Blues Band at First)/Poison/Faster Pussycat/GNR…. Just as much as Soundgarden/AIC/P.Jam/Mother Love Bone/Nirvana…. Man, I also still LOVE Zeppelin/Stones/Who/SRV/Clapton…I feel Sorry for People that get, “Stuck” in a Genre’ and just Refuse to Get into ANYTHING ELSE !!! And in that Vein, Sinatra/Streisand/Mathis/Martin are Fantastic Vocalists with Incredible Musicians behind them…

I love all the bands mentioned in this video. It’s all rock and roll at the end of the day.

Imagine if, Audioslave didn't have that name, but instead they announced that Chris Cornell was the new singer of Rage Against The Machine. That's what Motley Crue did! If they only changed the name, presented themselves as a new band, I think the album would get a better reception. People would've bought the album expecting something new. Instead, people were suckered into buying a Motley Crue album that wasn't. I feel bad for John Corabi. He didn't have a chance.

Nothing lasts forever but I really enjoyed both eras. the 80’s hair metal as a child and the grunge stuff as a young adult. Ton of great music.

What’s the song at the very end?

Nikki Sixx saw the writing on the wall, and he was a very intelligent visionary. The 80's scene was all played out.

Kurt was an artist. Rose was a performer.

Times music and fashion change it just takes someone new and creative to pop up and set a new scene.

It was the media and the bands themselves that killed hair metal

Rewatching Boogie Nights recently and seeing disco turning into the 80's (and video tapes) made me imagine what the 80's hair-metal hedonists must have felt like when the 90's hit!

Sadly music now is just like the 80s mixed with early 2000s music with no real substance. The music that was coming out in late 60s through the early 70s had substance just like the 90s did. Just be glad when lyrics have substance and a message again instead of just being like bubble gum.

Mentioned is Alice In Chains, but not mentioned is the fact that they started out as more of a hair metal type of act and by the time they actually recorded Facelift, were transitioning into more of the grunge movement and sound. I feel they stand apart from most grunge acts, but still fall within. But with that being said, even on some of the earliest demos of some of the songs that would wind up rerecorded and on Facelift, you can hear the hair metal sound a lot more (in both the music and Layne's vocal delivery). I don't know what really came first, the chicken or the egg, but at some point they became the AIC everyone knows. I don't know if the grunge movement had a big impact on their change or if it happened organically, but jeez, I'm sure glad it happened. Layne's voice is still great on those early demos, but it really evolved fast... the goat. RIP Layne...

Like others have said, The decline of guns was not a result of “grunge” or nirvana. They did it to themselves. Unfortunately. Based on my expert research Use your illusions came out a week before nevermind. Sold 35 million copies. Nevermind sold 30 million. Sounds like gnr was still going pretty damn strong at that point.

As a guitar player and music fan I can say I’m proud of the 4 Seattle bands and others that followed that trend. Great music. Also far harder to play than 80’s glam riffs!

I feel all talked out on this subject i was born in 1982 grew up to rock, there was a time in the 90's where you could hear such a diversity of music hair bands, the talking heads, janet jackson, metallica dr dre snoop dog, and nirvana, pearl jam, alice in chains but also kick start my heart and dr feel good, and even haddaway's what is love it was a beautiful and perhaps the best time for music EVER why did they all try to mingle together to sound the same and ruin it for everyone most blame cooperate overlords

Early Motley had a raw edge to it. Similar to In Utero... All recorded live. Good stuff. Can see why Kurt said he liked it.

With Grunge, audience made shift, majors cashed. It was buzz in late 80s allready and alternative buble exploded in early 90s. Except Grunge, wider audience shift also to Hardcore here Biohazard, Dog Eat Dog, Life Of Agony, Skate Punk here NOFX and Rancid, and more. People wanted Metal also but more extreme and serious like Pantera, Sepultura, Machine Head and Death Metal,. Slayer was still going strong. I went in to music like that by simple: I heard it me like It. That 80s Glam Rock it didnt catch my soul.

I see it as being different strokes for different folks. New eras are always being made for those who are seeking the alternative.

Kids that became Nirvana fans..were the little Brothers and Sisters of the Heavy metal kids in the 80s.. same thing happened to Rock in roll When the Beatles came on the scene. All those 1950s kids had little Bros and Sisters😂

Dont forget that Alice in chains facelift album was out a year before nevermind. And also Stone Temple pilots album Core. Those two albums are a Staple in the alternative Rock sound in my opinion. It changed everything.

A little bit of both. Like anything popular it was gonna fizzle out eventually.

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The thing is all these guys had their moments in time and they made more than enough money doing it. They didn’t need any more than that every era ends and something new comes along same happened to grunge too.

It was all good music in my view. Nirvana, GnR, Motley Crue , Pearl Jam, even the hair bands like warrant. It’s all good in my view.

That Crue album with Carabi was the one that was worth a damn

Motley Crue's eponymous album and Def Leppard's Slang album were attempts by both bands to adapt to the 90s grunge scene, but Joe Elliot of Def Leppard later admitted that they should've just taken a break during that time and come back with a new album after the grunge trend passed.

Yeah, “Too Fast For Love” is a great record.

I agree with the comment that bands jumped on the Grunge wagon and saturated the sound. Record companies found a way to squeeze the juice out of it like a lemon and then you're left with just a peel at the end.

I think it is interesting to contrast the Hair Metal bands complaining about The Seattle Sound killing their careers while the American Hardcore Punk bands, most of which never really even had careers generally have positive things to say about Nirvana and Nevermind.

We really overstate Nirvana’s impact

Funny you mentioned the pixies! It was one of kurts biggest influences and when he finally got the chance to meet frank black he was really nervous and shy.

Yes I think it was on its way out, I did like most of the rock bands, I was a teenager in the 80s. I did think that it was getting to be over the top, I but I wasn’t happy that the new music coming in felt depressing snd the way they dressed was plain in comparison to the 80s. Now I understand that Kurt was a musical genius, and there were some good bands out there.

The haunting and eerie melodies that Cobain brought, "Sappy" and "Dumb" are good examples, alone places him in a league of his own. That haunting melody that is in 'Sappy' and 'Dumb' I can't seem to find in Kurts influences, it may be 100% uniquely him.

I love that quote from Nikki Sixx. The dude was humble enough to admit stuff sucks right now. While still wanting to continue and adapt to the new sound. He's still not a good person, but even monsters have their soft sides.

nobody even mentioned how grunge had an effect on the hairspray industry. Hairspray companies went out of business left and right. And spandex industry too. Grunge destroyed them and many investors lost out.

what song is at 10:28

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All about talent. Grunge seems to be more versatile.

Grunge was the last music revolution.

GN'R fell apart because of GN'R. I was there. (I saw GN'R in Columbia in '92.) Guns were still all over MTV and selling out stadiums well into the Grunge revolution. GN'R was kind of timeless because they had great influences (i.e. blues, classic rock, punk, etc). Grunge didn't last because it was just so limited musically. And really the LA hair metal bands were in trouble by the late 80's largely because of GN'R...and the growing popularity of Thrash. Metallica & Megadeth were getting bigger & bigger with every album. (By the late 80's, both had made it onto MTV with videos.)

lol when the 80s bands said that it was a fashion thing, made me laugh!!!

The day where music is pure. MTV was so cool before.

I would say it was bands such as Guns N’ Roses and Metallica topping the charts before the so-called grunge scene took over the airwaves, as to why fans stopped listening to hair/pop metal bands. I never put Mötley Crüe in the hair-metal category but a number of fans did, and stopped taking them seriously. But I am the type of guy who could listen to bands like REM at the same time love Van Halen.

Nirvana, Alice and Chains, and Soundgarden - all really amazing bands - no comparison there

They didn’t like Kurt because he took the other band’s audiences

Good music is good music emotion, truth and artistry will always persevere if a song is good honest and passionate it will be well received if your doing something because someone else did it everyone knows it's called selling out

Next, let's hear how they affected the punk scene.

Smooth, Easy-Sing-Along songs may work for the 80's, but when time moves on with much more complicated life feelings, they just ain't working any more......

Before grunge. There was an ongoing feud with trash metal and hair metal. Then grunge was counteract by brit pop. Rap metal ended by the post emo. Alice in chains was hair metal before but they've perfectly shift to grunge.

This doc should be called "ex-rockers ate 5000 donuts, and look like it today"

Nirvana the best band in the world forever

With Nirvana, grunge definitely overpowered rock in the 90s. Rock didn’t disappear but people were immediately drawn to grunge. The sound was powerful, captivating and unlike anything that had existed before. Nothing wrong with that; it was a great experience.

Guns N' Roses wasn't destroyed or even scratched by Nivana. Axl did it himself

Why did he say “Guns n Roses and Acd C, who have the same singer”? They only had Axel sing for ACDC for a brief period in modern times, not back in the 1990’s. Strange.

I think around that time of Nirvana it was a culmination of different things to cause Hard Rock to fade out. Metallica had hit their peak with the Black album, Pantera really starting to hit their stride, I think people just wanted to look for something more heavier or gritty, Hard Rock was just not delivering that anymore. GNR was starting to implode and their anticipated release after Appetite for Destruction had too much filler tracks and lot the same level of aggression.

Thank God.

What you don’t understand is that it was the radio stations that continued to push this and block out the older style stuff. It was not necessarily because it was “better”. And younger people are very easily led, so there ya go.

Look at Chicagos Enuff Z nuff once they got labeled a glam band, it was hard to redefine there band to a more original rock sound because the change to Grundge was also to spite hair metal

I was subscribed to Columbia House as a kid and had a lot of the Hair Metal, Grunge, Thrash, Rock, Metal, and even some Hip Hop. I didn't care then and I don't care now, I listen to what I want. Not what's the fad at the time

Look at you Nikki Sixx at the beginning of the video! He knew it. We needed a saga...

Steel Panther (if you know you know 🥰) covers AIC sometimes, so…

I dunno, man. As someone who didn't grow up in the states, elsewhere the grunge movement wasn't this industry-changing movement that it's always retrospectively portrayed as. At least in Europe, there was space for all those bands at the same time. We got just as much Nirvana as we did Guns and Roses.

Staley wasn't talking about nevermind he was talking about in utero.

nice

I wonder if it affected Kurt as well seeing bands being dropped from labels due to the popularity of nevermind especially since he didn’t love it. I wonder if he made nevermind as war towards the critics that hated on nirvana. Who knows. Only his homies do I guess.