The fact that Kiss wasn't even mentioned in this show is jaw dropping - they were the second band I thought of after The Beatles. But it was nice to have Bon Jovi make a rare appearance on SoT, lol. I was definitely part of the 80s Bon Jovi mania - and it was mania! Screaming girls, millions upon millions of albums sold all over the world, massive tours - even going to the old Soviet Union as one of the first Western bands ever - and on the cover of pop AND rock magazines on a weekly basis. MTV couldn't get enough of them, a new video coming out was always an event. They were huuuuge. And they survived the grunge movement too with flying colors.

Pete's poker-face when Martin is discussing The Clash lasts a few seconds, before he just has to mouth "Except me". Classic!

The first one to come to mind is Peter Frampton with "Frampton Comes Alive" For a while it got constant air play and was all anyone was talking about. You couldn`t avoid it.

"I don't know what the truth of this is, or if I'm making stuff up, BUT...." hehe. I'm gonna use that from now on

Great topic today. As usual/ every Friday. Thanks. Martin/ Pete 👍💯

I think the reason young kids latch onto the Doors or at least a majority of them is because the words are hypnotic and for some there is a message. I believe the same can be said for Kurt kobain, Chris Cornell (solo stuff), Chester Bennington (Linkin Park). The lyrics are dark and almost mysterious. I’m glad John Mellencamp was mentioned. I saw him in high school and was completely surprised how good he was.

Man what a good point Martin made about the Stones creating classic rock. Have never thought of it that way. Guy is so insightful

KISS of The 1970s should have been mentioned. Absolute sensation, mania, mystery & power. So much iconic imagery as well. The Album covers, posters, magazine covers, billboards. The classic lunchbox, the Kiss comic book, ferchrissakes! Lived through that era, so I well know that KISS was very much like a "70s Beatles" for a whole lotta kids teens and young adults. As we know, a lot of the great bands feature distinct members of the group, where "each one" is indelible and highly charismatic (eg, The Who, The Beatles, Zep, Rush, Queen, etc.) Theres no doubt that Kiss had that in spades, but then you must add in the "mystery" factor with them as well, which, in the 70s was palpable, intriguing, and unlike anything else. The tour of Japan in '77 was absolutely off the charts too. Total Beatles-like insanity. I do think that Led Zeppelin, AC/DC, Bowie, early VH and maybe even Blondie are good choices for this as well. ⚡ Marc

The Doors have world wide appeal. They are a very American band with Indigenous influence/themes; American blues, but there’s European gypsy, Middle Eastern droning, African rhythms, Eastern European cathedral and orchestral production qualities.

19:00 I think the exposition on The Beatles was pretty good, and happy to hear mention of the psychology of the JFK assassination. Though it is nearly impossible to summarize their impact in 10 minutes. They didn't just start the British invasion, as Sgt Pepper's Lonely Heart Club Band helped launch psychedelic rock (the Summer of Love) and prog rock. "All You Need Is Love" was their message for the first live global TV link, and the list goes on endlessly.... fun show!

🎉it's Friday in the fun house ! Yes !!!!

1940s - Frank Sinatra 1950s - Elvis 1960s - The Beatles 1970s - Elton John 1980s - Michael Jackson

First band I thought of was GNR. Did I think Pete would mention them though? To my surprise he does! Kudos. People forget how absolutely massive they were.

Martin mentioning The Smiths made me think about The Stone Roses,from what I read I think there definitely was a big mania in the UK for this band (around when their debut album came out), but for quite a short time. Then also came the mania around Blur and Oasis.

Good afternoon, greetings from Brazil 🇧🇷

Eddy Vedder was a great replacement for Jim Morrison at the Rock Hall of Fame concert. Talk about a mania event😮.

I would add Queen as long term mania. Who else could have a documentary made about just one song!? There are of course many other documentaries made about the band and until Oppenheimer Bohemian Rhapsody was the biggest grossing biopic ever

Late 1998 to 2001 nu-metal was a definite kind of rock mania. Lyrics about the pain inside, crawling and getting away. All those bands went a gazillion times platinum in the states. Videos played ad nauseam on channels that weren’t even playing grunge. Every band dressing up in baggy jeans, backwards caps, and standing around looking like tough guys in photo shoots surrounded by supermodels on every magazine cover in every grocery store on the planet.

I'm hopping the upcoming Rolling Stones album does well. It would be great to see a big selling album of new rock music make an impact.

I actually asked this question for the q&a last week but i posted it too late. But im glad they just happened to have addressed that topic here. They kinda went off on a different path , with picking some low level mainas or some interesting revivals like the early 80s doors revival. Which was really odd because jim was long gone by then. My version of a "maina" is , selling obscene amounts of records, massive, critical acclaim, huge huge tour, and having a major influence not just on music but things outside music. With Jacksons thriller album , madonna circa 1989, Beatlemania, elvis mid 50s, these artists did all that plus broke down boundaries. Musically, culturally, sexually, racially, .etc. They did stuff no one had seen before. Jackson also took mtv and music videos to a unthinkable level too. Swift isnt necessarily breaking down borders, but she has managed to have this convergence of factors that all peaked at the sane time. Already mega popular , her masters re-recordings, hasnt toured since pre COVID, shes in stadiums,. She put out 2 slbums during 2020 when she was supposed to be touring for her 2019 album. Then she put out abother one in 2022. So she basically was gonna tour for 4 albums . But then it became this greatest hits tour. But shes not a 60 year past her prime artist, shes a mega superstar doing a best of tour while shes still in her prime. And her new music and re recordings are selling. Add in shes doing 3 hour show, put it all together, and u got a maina. She got everyone who ever liked her a little bit to absolutely running in the streets hysterical love her to come together at this moment in time . And when u been around 17 years and 10 plus albums of material thats all been highly successful, and u do that , you have hit god tier level popularity.

Kiss in the seventies. Talk about mania.

Elton John! Elton John! Elton John! Elton John! Elton John! (Unbelievable no mention of him?)

Martin's picks are crazy :D He always picks these obscure artists no one has ever heard of. Here he had to pick big bands but still goes for the not so big ones!

Even though I'm not a fan of Kiss, they're a band that I've known my entire life. Their music is featured in movies and TV shows, the makeup is iconic, Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley are always in the public eye, and there's tons of Kiss merchandise. Plus, Kiss videos manage to pop up on my KZfaq feed for some strange reason. The mania surrounding Kiss is insane!

For Doors mania, you can include the story that Jim is still alive, just like Elvis

Being from the UK I was around in the mid 1990s when Oasis mania hit which saw their first three albums selling combined sales of just under ten million copies in the UK but by the time of the release of their fourth album in the early 00s that mania had died away

Metallica when the black album came out. The mainstream went nuts.

Popoff and Pardo are at it again to discuss their views of fan and band mania and some interesting choices here. The primary three of my youth in the 60s - Elvis, the Beatles and the Stones - got some discussion along with a variety of others. Another fascinating discussion show, gents, so offering the usual thanks. There ya go!

When I was working at a record store in the late 80s-90's the mania with Metallica's Black Album was immense. We had a line in front of our store on release day. That was the only time our store had a line for a release. The Cure may have had a mania about them from about 87-92. 10,000 Maniacs is my Popoff REM of the late 80's/early 90's. Natalie Merchant's lyrics for songs like Don't Talk, Like the Weather, Trouble Me and Noah's Dove were important to my young self.

Greetings from Wales. Here in the UK obviously we had The Beatles and Ziggy era Bowie and T.Rex mania. Also The Bay City Rollers but they probably won’t be on your radar.

Agree 100% with Martin on R.E.M. I had the same experience when I was in college. I still do love those first 5 albums, especially "Fables of the Reconstruction" and "Life's Rich Pageant." Even though I'm more into metal and prog, like Pete.

R.E.M. is a great inclusion. The ‘college circuit’ in the ‘80 though wasn’t about campus shows. In the US it was about the dominance of college radio, the emerging underground bands and the amazing local scenes that sprung up amongst all that. This is where REM made their bones

In college 83-88 I was a total fusion head and had no clue about Indie Rock! REM bleh! almost 40 years later I appreciate that type of music as much as Return to Forever.

Love the mention of R.E.M. and The Smiths and how important both bands were to indie and alternative music from the early '80s to now. While Stipe & Co. have retired the name, the individual members remain busy and Morrissey is still pissing people off haha. Don't care. Love both bands.

I was working at a record store in Worcester, MA - early '80s. We sold t-shirts, including a Doors one, with a picture of Jim Morrison. Teenage girls loved that particular shirt.

T. Rex with the T. Rexstasia from 1971 to 1973. Great Teenage years then.

Spot on comments about The Doors. My son is 33 (born in 1990) and he doesn't like most classic rock...he likes hip hop, modern extreme, doom metal, dub...but he loves The Doors. I can't figure it out either! I have asked him what it is about them that he likes...and he says he's not really sure it's just the overall sound of their music.

Wow! This episode is full of great bands metal heads are supposed to hate. 😁

1. The Beatles 2. The Rolling Stones 3. Kiss 4. Metallica 5. Iron Maiden...maybe not in the US, but in most of the world.

On REM, The Smiths, Husker Du, The Replacements, and many other bands which began in the '80s, and were not easily classified-- in the '80s, I remember them being described, variously, as "modern rock," "postmodern rock," "college rock," and "cutting edge." Especially in their early days, Husker Du and The Replacements were musically influenced by punk, but REM and The Smiths were much softer. What unites them all? I'm not sure! 🙂

yes, the boys are back in our rock n roll hearts😃

Hüsker Du, The Replacements (Mats), Minutemen/fIREHOSE, R.E.M. Very important bands. The Clash - Give em Enough Rope is an often overlooked rekkid. It's mostly a hard rock album and produced by Sandy Pearlman.

Nice to see REM get some attention. Not the usual SoT fare, but I've loved them since my college years too. Those first four albums were the best. You guys were right about them not quite having a classification, at least early on. The term "alternative" was starting to get some traction around that time.

Great to hear John Mellencamp get some praise on SOT. Even now he’s making good interesting albums.

i remember in hs/college the mania around Nirvana & Kurt Cobain in 91 - 94

Nick Cave is a rock star. And a mania. 🤩

We had a sign on that particular shirt that said, "I'm Jim, and I'm dead, but I can live on you for only $6.99 (I can't remember the price)." Many kids asked what that meant. They had no clue that Morrison was dead.

YES mania ! Mid 70s.

Loved this episode and can't argue against any of the pics.

Clash is an interesting one. Seems being too British wasn't too much of an issue, not sure where Martin is with that - they wouldn't be playing stadiums if so. They imploded about the time they really cracked the US so it probably seems like it was a quick fad or mania but the inter-band problems with Joe and Mick with them having severe issues with management (and owing a shedload of cash with the flop of Sandanista) ended them before it needed to. I think there was a lot more to be done with them.

The Cougar had excellent music videos. Really well done.

R.E.M. was such an awesome band. There may have been greater bands before but none since.

"Destroyer" by the Kinks is such a great song!

Falls come to florida , it's a high of 87 today! Feels better than 97 to 105

Guns And Roses mania 90-93

The conversation today brings up.. maybe... an interesting topic of bands that were huge elsewhere but not in the States...Blue Rodeo, Biffy Clyro, Manic Street Preachers...

Right on, Pete! I’m also a fall/winter guy. 👍

For a time in the mid 80's there was a segment of media and fans that called Duran Duran the Fab 5

Great topic gentlemen

Yes Prince was extremely huge! He is my favorite musician of all time!

i teach hs & i remember about ten years ago one of my sophomore students pulling a cd copy of “LA Woman” by the Doors out of her bag

these 2 so good

...Huge Topic Indeed for a. AWSOME volley and Deep Dive for Memories and as usual Many New additions to my Arsenal of Rock Info ....SOT Rocks ....All the Damn Time 😎! Thanx Guys

Great as always.

There was definitely a college circuit for RnR bands starting in the 60's through the 90's particularly. The college venues were volunteer efforts, often led by the campus radio station. It was normally a not for -profit venture where tickets just floated the next potential concert. Depending on the College density, some bands could play 3-4 times a week within a 50 mile radius. When I was playing college DJ 84'-87ish; there were Non-Aor or non Pop bands ,Metal/Hard-Rock , Punk/Hardcore or just generically College. College was such a catch-all because Bands/Management would inundate College stations with new releases; hoping to get some traction before hitting up the big players.

REM was my fave band and still is. They were big in Europe and influenced bands like Radiohead and Coldplay.

You should Meet the Beagles! They are England's No 1 pup combo!

Great stuff about The Doors and Jim Morrison guys

BEATles -pronounced with a sharp T- like Beat. Not beadles! Few Americans seem know how to pronounce their name. But Pete is right. They are the ultimate example of this topic. Martin's previous admission that he has never bothered to learn which Beatles songs come from which albums amazes me. Of all the bands to neglect appreciating their musical development he picks the greatest of all!

Bay City Rollers mania in Europe in the mid-70s. And oh, didn't the Ramones also mention them as an influence? In Finland, there was a big rockabilly mania in the late '70s/early '80s; obscure British bands like Matchbox and Crazy Cavan became fairly big here.

Martin, I’m a huge fan of your Album By Album series and I’ve done a video about it. Would you ever consider doing one on The Beatles? It would do record breaking sales.

This video inspired me to look up the top selling albums of all time in the USA. Hootie and the Blowfish sold 21 million “Cracked Rearview Mirror” units. This is unbelievable. How is this possible? I thought they were a bar band with one hit…maybe 100,000 albums sold tops…but 21 million???!!

G N' R = the last giant rock act.

Only artists, that I can think of, that would have the mania tag attached to them would be: Elvis, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones (maybe). In more recent times, sort of, Michael Jackson, Madonna, Taylor Swift, and Metallica; but to me, all of these are maybes. Plenty of very successful artists out there but to be huge enough to generate a mania-like frenzy, I'd say, it's pretty rare.

I would like to put fourth Metallica when the Black album was released. They were a phenomenon from 91 to 94 during that tour and album run. They were on the cover of the Rolling Stone 3 times. They were everywhere. Another band I thought of was Def Leppard during the Pyromania era. They were massive and then with Hysteria even got bigger.

Awesome show again. Look forward to next week's Led Zeppelin challenge!!

A little surprised KISS wasn't mentioned in this episode

Great episode, at first I was thinking, did Martin get the assignment (REM/Clash)? Anyways Duran Duran had their 15 minutes. I still see lots of high school kids with Zeppelin shirts but not as much the doors. The doors were a band i thought would last forever like the Beatles. I was surprised to see Iron Maiden transition to the next generation of kids (good surprise).

A very interesting and well-treated topic. When I think about a "-mania!" I think of a cultural that extended beyond the music. That's why very important and influential bands don't make it to this list. There's no doubt that Elvis and The Beatles were the prototype for the mania phenomenon. I literally had goosebumps when the Doors were discussed, and I agree with everything that was said. Bands I would also put in that list would be Queen's resurrection after the Bohemian Rhapsody movie which made them bigger than they ever were. I would also put Metallica/ACDC as a mania phenomenon, which was a cultural thing with kids in the early 90s. I think I would call Nirvana-mania a bigger mania than the Pearl Jam mania, especially since it was bigger world-wide and broke way beyond the music business. Sex Pistols were more culturally impactful than The Clash. Can't see how you chose them over the Pistols. REM, U2, GnR are valid selections too, IMO. If you talk about the last 20 years, all pop phenomena artists (too many to mention them all here) are no longer in the rock'n roll mindset and other genres have taken over like hip-hop, latin pop, electro-pop, k-pop and stuff like that.

As I recall, you never discussed Kerry Livgren’s extremely serious stroke. He couldn’t speak, walk, or play any instruments. But. He recovered to write & play music for Proto-Kaw and for solo albums. You need to do a show on this fabulous songwriter & musician.

Martin , if you back in 1980 . and choose 12. songs for "Sandinista " ( or 14. songs ) what songs do you choose ? 🙂 It is hard , i try so many times .

Pearl Jam never fell off a cliff, they are a amazing rock band. Their first four albums are amazing. From 1998 to 2002 their albums are a bit disappointing. But from 2006 and onward I think their albums are really good. I think Pete should give Pearl Jam a second chance, and then do a ranking the albums Pearl Jam show with Martin😉

Rush?😀❤️

11:48 I believe the college circuit was _absolutely_ a thing in various parts of North America, at least around 1988-1993 and likely far before that.

REM was labeled as Indie, for sure - mid-80's college boy speaking. College Rock as well. I heard the term College Radio Band as well..The minute the drummer left, game over

Hi all. Love the show to death. Long time viewer, fifth time commentator. Great that the Kinks were included in this topic. Practically God-like to many of a certain age over here in the UK. When anybody asks you who do you prefer; The Beatles or The Stones? The answer should invariably be The Kinks. Worth remembering that, at the height of the British Invasion, the band were subject to a four-year touring ban in the States sanctioned by the American Federation of Musicians. OK, The Kinks may have brought some of this on themselves with their antics etc, but a clear example of the punishment not befitting the crime. Who knows, perhaps some of the other 60s British bands wouldn’t have been as successful Stateside competing with the might of a fully functioning Kinks on the scene as well?

Haaa! Pete's face at 7:36. He should dog REM like Martin bagged on Child in Time. Definitely got Pete's back on that one. Child in Time (especially Made in Japan version) badass. REM s-u-x.

Oasis seemed to have some mania for a while off the tail end of The Stone Roses.

In the mid 80s im Milwaukee REM played on a street corner in our at the time the hip part of time. We had no idea who they wore. Most of us just walked on by

Nirvana 91-94

Stryper made a huge impact in the Christian Rock genre in the mid 80s, esp. thanks to videos on MTV.

Two band I thought of were Kiss & Metallica.

Staying on rock only; U2, Bruce Springsteen, Beatles, GN'R, Nirvana (def not my cup of tea), Bon Jovi, kiss, Rolling Stones, Queen. to me these would be the Mania rock artists over the years.

Skipped over KISS, really??

Bruce Springsteen is the first that springs to mind. "The future of rock n roll", the Time/Newsweek simultaneous covers, the epic live shows, a lot of subject matter about rock n roll mythology, definitely a 'messiah' element whether he sought that or not... Nirvana. A lot of people suggest that it's only because of Cobain's suicide that they are regarded as so legendary, but they just took over everything completely for a while, and changed the heavy rock music scene, practically overnight. Oasis. I cant think of another band from the UK that had quite so much of an impact (mainly but not solely contained WITHIN the UK to be fair) since possibly...The Beatles? I was never a fan, but you couldn't escape them. The records just kept selling and selling...they were on every magazine AND tabloid cover. From about 94 to 97 ish really. But the ongoing family drama, insults and speculations still make headlines. To clarify, there are/were other far better or maybe actually 'bigger' selling bands overall, but that sustained mania (and I'm talking critical acclaim from 'credible' music journos as well as superpopstardom) for Oasis was like nothing I'd experienced before - and certainly nothing like it since.

I experienced 3 manias. Nirvana mania Oasis mania in the UK And Korn mania I like all 3 .

Martin starts off by stealing what would be Petes' picks. Husker Du, The Minute Men, R.E.M., The Smiths, and The Clash.

The lithmus test of whether a group ignited a mania is a wide age group. Pink Floyd The Wall, loved by both children and adults.

I was waiting for G'n'R to be picked. Wasn't disappointed. 😂

A theme I seem to hear is marketing. These manias are craftily created via marketing. Pete so expertly demonstrated this with his examples of The Beatles and The Doors. Can there really be a “mania” without some type of marketing campaign to create it? As far as Mellencamp, his “marketing” is maybe the Farm Aide concerts.