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Rod Liddle speaks to Cindy Yu about why shaming people could be a good, even essential thing.
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@Elizabeth-jd3mn
@Elizabeth-jd3mn 2 жыл бұрын
People who change and distort language do so because they can't cope with truth. Lack of self discipline and resilience is why people don't change and look for excuses.
@joeblack1126
@joeblack1126 2 жыл бұрын
The way to judge if something is morally good or not is ask parents what would be the worst job they would accept or want their daughters to be doing, all cultures would give the same answer Im 99.99999999999 sure.
@chriscoffee9070
@chriscoffee9070 2 жыл бұрын
Well said Rob, 'sex work' doesn't mean anything, 'whoring' is indeed a better title.
@edmundironside9435
@edmundironside9435 2 жыл бұрын
I see The Spectator are making the most of Cindy Yu's good looks: the title says Rod Liddle, but the only person in the thumbnail is Yu.
@bighands69
@bighands69 2 жыл бұрын
The media has always done that. Presentation is everything.
@mcannon1974
@mcannon1974 2 жыл бұрын
I think that says more about Rod. And I’m sure he would agree.
@28pbtkh23
@28pbtkh23 2 жыл бұрын
“How to safely involve themselves in prostitution…” Rod finds it difficult to avoid laughing at 01.00 - and I can’t blame him. It’s an incredible statement.
@bighands69
@bighands69 2 жыл бұрын
My classes at college were full of skint females and not one of them resorted to prostitution. They worked during the summer, weekends and so on. Many of them went without luxuries like mobile phones and so on or fancy meals. Students back then did not go on summer trips to Ibiza unless they came from a wealthy family as they were working.
@user-si9sb1lf9y
@user-si9sb1lf9y 2 жыл бұрын
В CCCP рабочие доказали, что они могут жить без богачей. Но заметьте, ни один богач не доказал, что он может жить без рабочих...
@joeblack1126
@joeblack1126 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-si9sb1lf9y Yes but non of them workers can live without the rich man paying them for their work in the CCCP the rich man is the party leaders who control everything in their workers lives freedom any day of the week for me = choice.
@knightstemplar8977
@knightstemplar8977 2 жыл бұрын
What happens when you are falsely accused, of something you didn't do. This happened to sir Cliff Richard; and thousands more !
@TheBasicTruth
@TheBasicTruth 2 жыл бұрын
Knights Templar, that's no more to do with the stigma talked about here than if Cliff Richard had been accused of murder.
@kingfisherphil
@kingfisherphil 2 жыл бұрын
that is not the context, here it is more about facing up to the down side of being fat through carelessness or being in hospital with covid whilst not being vaxed. We cannot spend many, many millions in NHS making everything bigger and stronger to suit the people who stuff themselves beyond what is healthy.
@unusedsub3003
@unusedsub3003 2 жыл бұрын
Usually you end up with PTSD and substance abuse. Just like the Birmingham Six and Guildford Four
@beecat9951
@beecat9951 2 жыл бұрын
"As a millenial" oh please! Some of us Millenials can still think for ourselves
@jb3222
@jb3222 2 жыл бұрын
But not spell millennial........!
@aerogray2500
@aerogray2500 Жыл бұрын
she really is a pain.
@neilrobson3064
@neilrobson3064 2 жыл бұрын
I like the way he’s finding it harder and harder to find bits of his house that don’t clearly convey how much he gets paid…..
@seventus
@seventus 2 жыл бұрын
Jealous?
@neilrobson3064
@neilrobson3064 2 жыл бұрын
@@seventus I’m more bored with the likes of you. Creeping round the internet trying to defend Rod “under caution” Liddle - your plastic Jesus…….
@BlookbugIV
@BlookbugIV 2 жыл бұрын
At least she recognises why she’s impervious to rationality
@autumnchild8586
@autumnchild8586 2 жыл бұрын
destigmatising prostitution will not make it safer, neither will courses when it's men murdering them that's the problem
@joeblack1126
@joeblack1126 2 жыл бұрын
I notice you didn't say bad men that says a lot about you, you lost child, you poor thing.
@duncefunce1513
@duncefunce1513 2 жыл бұрын
What does Rod Liddle mean by 'filthy'? Honest question, I don't understand what he means.
@DieFlabbergast
@DieFlabbergast 2 жыл бұрын
If you don't understand, no-one can explain it to you.
@duncefunce1513
@duncefunce1513 2 жыл бұрын
@@DieFlabbergast why do you say that?
@bighands69
@bighands69 2 жыл бұрын
@@duncefunce1513 I will try so if you do not have a weak stomach stick with it. Prostitution for women is a very messy endeavor. Women in prostitution can be having interactions with several men in one night and that means here is going to be situations where bodily fluids are going to be exchanged. There is just no getting around the physicality of what is happening.
@joeblack1126
@joeblack1126 2 жыл бұрын
He means repugnant disgusting behaviour, selling your body for sex of course is in any society.
@HMSindistinguishable
@HMSindistinguishable 2 жыл бұрын
Honest and humble reflections on his own life.refreshing
@b.alexanderjohnstone9774
@b.alexanderjohnstone9774 2 жыл бұрын
Stigma against, say, domestic violence is quite proper. Bring back stigma against men not supporting their children.
@PeteCourtier
@PeteCourtier 2 жыл бұрын
When fathers get equal rights maybe?
@johnestok277
@johnestok277 Жыл бұрын
I believe the best way to deal w domestic violence is for a woman to beat up the guy, he’s not worthy of the term man. I don’t believe A jury would ever convict the woman who beat him up.
@gipgap4
@gipgap4 2 жыл бұрын
Bring shame back.
@toby9999
@toby9999 2 жыл бұрын
Marriage doesn't last? Why not? I've been married for 30 years. Hopefully I'll live long enough for another 30. Marriage can work when there is mutual respect and love. Problem is, for too many people it's all about me me me.
@saltspringrailway3683
@saltspringrailway3683 Жыл бұрын
Been married 45 yrs, still best friends.
@flyingdutchman3483
@flyingdutchman3483 2 жыл бұрын
A question:- Should we shame people that distort figures to try and con the public that a failed project is the best thing since sliced bread, when its not. Or should we only follow journalists that publish articles based on fact rather than fiction. Britain are now having infrastructure cuts to what was promised, plus tax increases along with food shortages. And yet there is no shortage of foodstuff in French supermarkets plus they are receiving tax cuts and lots of local and regional infrastructure investment. So another simple question a balanced journalist would like to answer is who is doing well out of Brexit. Plus some of our prominent politicians and large business ventures have opened offices and branches in Europe to get on the EU gravy train. I wonder what punishment journalists that did not want Brexit will demand of all those right across the board that demanded Brexit on the false promise that ALL the British people would gain.
@djtobs2
@djtobs2 2 жыл бұрын
I feel the elephant in the room here. Is why university students who get into Durum of all places, and are obviously from a well off middleclass background, feel the need to resort to that kind of work from an economic standpoint? Might it not be due to the simple fact that there is not enough high paying work for the aspirational young middle classes?
@unusedsub3003
@unusedsub3003 2 жыл бұрын
Because capitalism is shitting on us. Look how good young people in Germany and Denmark have it compared to us.
@beecat9951
@beecat9951 2 жыл бұрын
Good point! The middle class is being squeezed out
@unusedsub3003
@unusedsub3003 2 жыл бұрын
@@beecat9951 Thanks
@FC-PeakVersatility
@FC-PeakVersatility 2 жыл бұрын
Because mopping floors and emptying bins has been stigmatised as unaspirational, demeaning, but having control over who gets access to your ha’penny is seen as empowering to the modern woman. 🤔 I bet it was a man who came up with that idea
@Ottorockz
@Ottorockz 2 жыл бұрын
I try to shame s.j.w.s everyday...they need it for sure.
@DieFlabbergast
@DieFlabbergast 2 жыл бұрын
*SJWs (think about it)
@b.alexanderjohnstone9774
@b.alexanderjohnstone9774 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah pimps are the new feminists
@johnduncan2004
@johnduncan2004 2 жыл бұрын
Why does some one with these absurd views interview for the spectator? give it 10 years and the place will be like the independent.
@drstrangelove4998
@drstrangelove4998 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been working in higher education most of my life. Even two decades ago the rumour was a surprising number of women, and maybe some males, were working in the sex industry.
@johnestok277
@johnestok277 Жыл бұрын
I live in America and the stereotype here is that women would date their professors and that got them special treatment for grades. I never heard of them getting paid money by these professors
@cecilefox9136
@cecilefox9136 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with Rod!
@andrewoliver8930
@andrewoliver8930 2 жыл бұрын
Shame the people in power. The papers that Liddle has worked for have shamed people lower down the pecking order and has been quiet when it's a favourite of theirs.
@frenchenstein
@frenchenstein 2 жыл бұрын
Hire a teenager whilst they still know everything 👍🏽
@drstrangelove4998
@drstrangelove4998 2 жыл бұрын
Yes indeed, well said!
@unusedsub3003
@unusedsub3003 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a teenager and I don't want a job. #shuvyajob
@aerogray2500
@aerogray2500 Жыл бұрын
the only good thing in this interview is the Great Rod Liddle.
@msjaneleaper
@msjaneleaper 2 жыл бұрын
Liddle's logic is faulty. If children of divorced or single parents do worse than children of married parents, it does not logically follow that if they would have done better if they had two married parents. It is the wrong comparison. Liddle should be comparing these children with the children from previous generations, whose parents married and stayed together because of the stigmas he thinks protected the children. He also ignores the fact that stigma affected the children as well as the parents, and were draconian in effect. My own mother, born in the 1920s, suffered dreadfully through her illegitimacy and ended up in a mental hospital in her mid-teens. The idea that children like her benefitted from the stigma of illegitimacy is contemptible..
@manofkent4472
@manofkent4472 2 жыл бұрын
it's not "If" 'children of divorced or single parents do worse than children of married parents', as there is no "if". But, you have to look at the group as a whole, otherwise you are like the chap who refutes that Chinese are generally shorter than western men because he has seen a 6'6" Chinese basket ball player.
@tuckwatsellers
@tuckwatsellers 2 жыл бұрын
Guff.
@paulhevan322
@paulhevan322 2 жыл бұрын
I suppose that university's have to teach something useful as most of their courses are not compatible with the new world view of things.😒
@user-si9sb1lf9y
@user-si9sb1lf9y 2 жыл бұрын
В CCCP рабочие доказали, что они могут жить без богачей. Но заметьте, ни один богач не доказал, что он может жить без рабочих...
@alkestos
@alkestos 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, no. You tried to overtake, I mean "annex", my country in second world war, and you failed. You're not any more welcome now than you were back then.
@johnestok277
@johnestok277 Жыл бұрын
I think a lot of overweight/obese people are very depressed and unhappy and they use food/overeating to cope w this. Others smoke, use drugs, and or drink excessively. So I’m not really in agreement on shaming them. They know they’re obese and probably have an idea of what deep down people think of them.
@bjarnestroustrup3650
@bjarnestroustrup3650 2 жыл бұрын
We have a moral duty not to comply. No to discriminatory vaccine passports and mandates, it is an utter disgrace. This must not happen England. Will never vote Labour or Tory again. Disgraceful
@garethprice7879
@garethprice7879 2 жыл бұрын
🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿👍
@GMN360
@GMN360 2 жыл бұрын
There is no safe way with prostitution
@spartacusforlife1508
@spartacusforlife1508 2 жыл бұрын
The vast majority of prostitution is drug related so shouldn't the students be taught how to inject heroin safely as well🤣🤣🤣
@neilrobson3064
@neilrobson3064 2 жыл бұрын
Rod “under caution” Liddle dishing out lectures on shame and stigma now - just brilliant…..
@toby9999
@toby9999 2 жыл бұрын
So he's not allowed an opinion? He might be correct?
@benphilips9918
@benphilips9918 2 жыл бұрын
He is right in what he says about stigma even if he hasn't always been able to live by it. How many of us are guilty of that too? Really it's the 60's social revolution come full circle 60 years on.
@neilrobson3064
@neilrobson3064 2 жыл бұрын
@@toby9999 Rod “under caution” Liddle - your plastic Jesus……
@yinoveryang4246
@yinoveryang4246 Жыл бұрын
Is it just me, or does Rod Liddle always look like something out of Blair Witch Project? needs Emily Maitliss to come shuffling around with her stylist, and lighting specialist, if you ask me
@nigeljohn65
@nigeljohn65 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure Rod has thought this through. "It's immoral" isn't really an argument, without a convincing additional argument that states why this is the case.
@alkestos
@alkestos 2 жыл бұрын
Immoral things corrupts your soul. Not talking about "soul" as in Christian soul but soul as your character. It ruins your sense of self-worth, confidence and in case of whoring it ruins your capability of affection.
@thedativecase9733
@thedativecase9733 Жыл бұрын
@@alkestos Yes I'm an atheist and that is my estimation.
@continuouslylearning6152
@continuouslylearning6152 2 жыл бұрын
I don't understand how one becomes this much of a liberal tawtwaffle
@bighands69
@bighands69 2 жыл бұрын
They are not liberal. Being a liberal has to do with liberty most of those that label them self as a liberal are in fact Marxists. And the irony is that conservatives call them liberal and they in turn then call conservatives fascists' and transphobes.
@umwhatthistime
@umwhatthistime 2 жыл бұрын
Rod the simpleton.
@chrisdavie8163
@chrisdavie8163 2 жыл бұрын
Careful now, Rod. Saying that about 16 year old single parents in this day and age is apparently "offensive" and judging someone's ill thought out morals judgements can make some woke Twitter user cry apparently.
@Mark_Dyer1
@Mark_Dyer1 2 жыл бұрын
ROD: The problem with "moral standards" is that, when I was born in the Year-of-Accession (1952) many people regarded 'being' homosexual (let alone expressing it physically) as demonstrating LOW moral standards. This attitude was fuelled by the Church, of course! However, as a confessing Christian, I am no moral relativist. I simply make a plea for greater nuance. There is nothing immoral in enjoying one's body, with others, UNTIL you decide to commit to ONE person, with whom you wish to have children. That is a game-changer! So I accept Cindy's argument that older adolescents should be provided with sufficient information to enable them to enjoy their own (and others'!) bodies safely. Where I disagree is a UNIVERSITY getting involved.
@joeblack1126
@joeblack1126 2 жыл бұрын
So you think whorring is ok I don't think their parents would want that also when they become parents they would not want that for their kids right.
@Mark_Dyer1
@Mark_Dyer1 2 жыл бұрын
@@joeblack1126 Well! That's a variation on "So, what you're saying is.......!"
@joeblack1126
@joeblack1126 2 жыл бұрын
@@Mark_Dyer1 Isn't it obvious what Im saying.
@Zenblayed
@Zenblayed 2 жыл бұрын
Cindy is rather lovely...
@benphilips9918
@benphilips9918 2 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of an ex-girlfriend. Sigh... Rod giving Cindy instruction on morality is an irony that should not be lost on anyone! She is far purer than he could ever be. Still, a case of the sinner repenteth and for that we should all give thanks..
@kensmith2971
@kensmith2971 2 жыл бұрын
if you think for one minute, you can stigmatize the sex game. you a living in a dream world,, they do it cos they like it,
@unabashed26
@unabashed26 2 жыл бұрын
Racist! \ joke
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