This video needs more traction! Thank you both for what you do!!

Thanks for having Rod on and letting people hear his thoughts. I like your channel as a new way of hearing various interesting views about this church in an open and non-confrontational manner.

Absolutely love it!

Excellent video!

Awesome video!

Rod seems like a very nice guy, he's very talented at doubting his doubts.

Great interviews

I've followed Rod, Wayne, Jonathan and many others for a long time now. These are rock solid members doing tremendous research. I used to be a Meso-America believer. I always had my doubts about that theory...never about the Heartland. The evidence; DNA, geography, archeology, Native American traditions, language, artifacts, what Joseph and Oliver said, etc., not to mention what the scriptures themselves say are overwhelming. The Stone in the Hat is another one of these theories that is dividing the nembers of the church. Again, Joseph and Oliver never said they used a peep stone to translate the B of M. You may say it doesnt matter, that it has no impact on our eternal salvation. I disagree. We are losing members over this stuff. Contention is of the Devil. Just because you have some letters after your name doesn't automatically make you right. We used to burn people at the stake because they didnt believe in the Trinity. That didnt make the Trinity theory correct. Let's all calm down, get rid of our preconceived notions and biases. We were commanded to have childlike faith by our Savior. The philosophies of men mingled with scripture is not the way to go. We are doing the exact same thing the Apostles tried to prevent in the New Testament. That didn't turn out very well.

Another question for Rod, in case you interview him again: when Alma 22:32 states "And now, it was only the distance of a day and a half’s journey for a Nephite, on the line Bountiful and the land Desolation, from the east to the west sea;" is this measuring the travel speed on foot or on Tapir?

Did he ever talk about the heartland model? I gave up during the geology portion.

I had a very good hearty laugh beginning at 17:00 where Rod talks about universes out of nothing - loved it! - I thought it was hilarious -

Rod Meldrum doesn't get to create a new definition of "peer-reviewed". This man's ideas deserve serious scrutiny....not just an open platform.

Meldrum lives in a pseudo-scientific fantasy world. The heartland theory is not traditional Book of Mormon geography. Hemispheric geography is. The Book of Mormon reflects the Mound Builder Myth and that myth encompassed the entire hemisphere.

As always, interesting conversation. You are amazing! Thanks again Steven.

This is an awesome interview. Thank you for doing this!

I really like Rod. Thanks for having him on

Did Rod end up going to mormon stories?? Excellent interview. Shows that people from different faith can actually discuss religions

Everyone should watch the series " Is Genesis History" here on youtube!

Okay, just listened to this YT interview. Does RM understand the “Rock cycle?” Or why Earth rotates on an axis? What is the cause of the rotation? We can have a belief system but belief doesn’t make it true. RM would benefit from taking a 6th or 7th grade science class. One more thing look this up: What is the skin color of chimpanzees? Chimpanzees are covered by a coat of brown or black hair, but their faces are bare except for a short white beard. Skin colour is generally white except for the face, hands, and feet, which are black. The faces of younger animals may be pinkish or whitish.

Since he mentions quartz. Optical Stimulated Luminescence (OSL) is an excellent dating process. Radioactive materials accumulate on quartz surfaces, unless solar uv light "strikes it off". You can determine the last time quartz saw the sun as a result. Not as precise as C14, but pretty good still and can determine much deeper time depth than C14.

KZfaq censors my comments even if I don't put in links ...

Truth is truth whether it's true or not

Awesome!!!

Very interesting. I love that you had Rod Meldrum on your show!

there may be Western Eurasian jeans and native Americans but it was way way way earlier than the book of Mormon so this means nothing to your argument Rod

Look at the book my Return of the God Hypothesis. Great topic,. I wish Rod didn't focus so hard on the DNA stuff. That being said I really enjoyed it

No, our results haven't been replicated. Some guy told me. Now there's good use of the scientific method. I think Rod actually believes this stuff. Sad. I would be more sympathetic if he was more honest.

When Rod Meldrum takes the Book of Mormon literally, does that mean he believes there were horses in ancient America, or does literal also mean that horses might have been Tapirs? Please ask him next time.

Love these in-depth episodes that delve into new paradigms, challenging what we assume to be established fact. My head hurts a bit after this one but that's ok.

I love those Stephen Hawking passages you shared. They show that even good scientists are drawn to go far beyond the observable in their statements and it is a good reminder to stick to what has been observed and tested when making scientific claims. Good science is based on observations that are as unbiased as possible and systematic experimentation. The ability for science to change is an important feature though as more observations and tests are done, it shouldn't be thought of as a bug.

This is very enlightening and makes sense. I’ve had the same thoughts about Scientists. Very cool. Thanks for having Rod on.

Didn't Joseph Smith claim he is a direct descendant of Jesus Christ? In that case, we can directly compare the DNA of native Americans ("Lamanites") and the Smith family, and they will match at least on some level. Or did Joseph Smith make that up?

Very thought out and very well prepared.

Those books behind you are HUGE!

Believing in God, he gives us time, to think, to feel, to come to understandings, to decisions, to recognitions, to learn, hopefully. And it comes to pass. Over time, that if we are Spiritually Intelligent, enough to go to Prayer in Sincerity to Humble ourselves, to open ourselves up to get out of ourselves far enough to accept, perhaps we lose our arrogance to really know a new truth that has been right in front of ourselves. Let's hope we don't know it all, for if we do, we are in trouble.

"rocks don't form in circles" - Rod Meldrum

Close your eyes and listen to Norm MacDonald. Great conversation!

Rod is goofy for saying the big bang theory is the same as creation ex-nihilo when he cherry picked an author that doesn't represent scientific consensus. A super-compact ball of matter exploding outwards is obviously not creation ex-nihilo. And also, the big bang theory doesn't try to answer how the matter got there in one ball.

Everything in this dimension came from the NO THING in this dimension. Everything originally exists in the highest dimension (you could say it existed spiritually first) and when you lower the energy signature of things in the higher dimension they now exist in the lower dimension. Its like an electron moving from one energy shell to a shell of lower energy. So this dimension has always existed as long as energy exists at all the many frequencies in which it can exist. So energy in this dimension existed as a null or void but a Creator Intelligence from the higher dimension took that null and void of this NO THING medium and separated it into a light or compacted energy center existing in the darkness void or an energy conductor medium called outer space. Think of an atom with electrons orbiting only in the first or closest energy shell, and although there are no other electrons existing and orbiting in the next energy shell, that energy shell and those beyond it still exist howbeit that they are null and void of any objects. So matter can become immaterial in the sense that it can revert to pure energy or it can be changed into matter.

I would love to see a sit down between Rod and Kent Hovind. They for sure would butt heads theologically, but it would be great to see them agree that mankind lived alongside dinosaurs before Noah’s ark.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Rod, if you want to change the paradigm of numerous fields of science, then you need to provide a lot more evidence than this. Basically, this is you and your group starting with a conclusion, and working out how the world would have to be for your beliefs to be true. It is interesting to listen to, in a masochistic sort of way, but this type of conspiracy theory is up there with flat earth and QAnon.

Rod sounds like a quack with his theories.

What a way for Rod to describe Stephen Hawking: “the guy that was on a wheelchair for a long time” 🫣

Why does Rod have to respond to John Dehlin here. Why can’t he respond on Mormon Stories? Does the Mormon church really keep its members from not associating with or dialoguing with people who left?

I made it about 20 minutes in. Yikes. He is fundamentally misunderstanding the science.

Mmmn. That "Caucasian" DNA - the X halpogroup - is Assyrian; not Israeli/Jewish. It's also North African. It's not from the House of Joseph. Also, the migration of that DNA occurred 20,000 years ago, but LDS doctrine claims that life did not predate Adam, which (supposedly) is only 6,000 years ago.

Rod's understanding of science is seriously lacking. He hears a few things here and there and extends them to make outrageous conclusions. For example, he thinks a liquid is necessary for gravity to form a planet into a sphere and uses mountains as proof. But rock has limited strength and deforms under gravity just like a liquid. The size of mountains decreases with the mass of the planet. Likewise he ways the core of the earth could be a giant ice crystal, ignoring its density, temperature/pressure profile, and magnetism. He makes these mistakes on every scientific topic he covers. He exemplifies the notion that a little knowledge can be dangerous!

I made it further than some. What I’m not getting from Rod is a line of logic that is easy to follow. If the BoM is indeed a literal historical record, it should be a ‘softball’ to answer. Which tribes in NA are Lamanite? End of story. I can’t see an interview ending well for Rod on MSP. To tie young Earth to Heartland is laughable. He seems sincere, but the logic and science are so, so flawed.

Meldrum lives in a fantasy.

Rod realizes the BoM is utter fiction right? His pseudo science doesn't help his case.

It is not Reasonable to Suppose the Holy Bible is False if you haven't read it and not sincerely Prayed to know if God approves of it or not. So the same would apply for The case for The Book ofMormon.

Mainstream ideology always is truth...

Hmmmmm...some planets are liquid, earth is a planet, therefore earth is a water world. Wow. Some people are Chinese (lots of them), I'm married, therefore my wife is Chinese.

I love the information coming out from the FIRM Foundation. People like Rod and Wayne are doing some amazing work! I look forward to the conferences twice a year to learn about the new discoveries being made about BofM geography. I think the UM is closer to the truth than what is forced down our throats since we were in kindergarten. However, over the last few years I've been convinced of Biblical Cosmology. We don't live on a spinning ball, dinosaurs didn't exist, and gravity is a hoax. There is a SDA you tube channel called Earthen Vessels that has some excellent documentaries that show some compelling information to at least consider. Why the lies? To hide God. As for the world-wide flood, in a nutshell: Antarctica isn't a continent, it's the ice wall border around our flat earth. It is the highest land on the earth, so serves as the container of the oceans, much like the edge of a lake is the container holding in the lake water. I know there is cognitive dissonance when one first is presented with this information. But look into it! Look into the Antarctica Treaty, that is a helpful step. What are they hiding?

John Dehlin hosting Meldrum was a total waste of time and bandwidth. Just as well host a flat-earther or moon landing-hoaxer.

EVERYONE who know anything about DNA takes issue with your take on it.

Poor Rod, he just keeps struggling with his Mormon beliefs. Wish he would be more open to accepting facts and science!

I was the one who mentioned a few times to John Dehlin via comments on his video's to have Rod on his podcast. But he and Southerton really hashed the Heartland theory. What else would you expect from Dehlin and his group. It was really disingenuous which is what most of Mormon Stories is in relation to the Church and the gospel anyways. Your not going to find much truth there.

Rodney is much like the "My Pillow Guy." Lots to say, but really says nothing logical. This is very sad, and embarrassing.

Rod's been smoking too much Jesus

Quit giggling

Rod Meldrum appears to have not studied or thought through the fallacies of the BOM. His ignorance of science and genetics is vast.

Technology works. False scientific theory does not.

Rod is so nice and generous. John and his Mexican sidekick were not at all fair towards Rod. Simon was fairly respectable. But John was Being disrespectful towards Rod. And And so was John's Mexican sidekick. John also was unfairly Comparing and categorizing Rod. And then when John dsrespected Rod When he was Interviewing him in perso And both John and kara Also lectured him And was quite condescending-Very unprofessional.John expected Rod to adhere to certain standardrles that John was not willing to also follow

Centrifugal force does not exist. Centripedal does.

OMWord!!!! You need to go to University and study how science works

Just awful .

The CES letter is authored by disgruntled Mormons who have an axe to grind. It comprises unreliable (unverifiable) third party source material, which purposefully portrays Mormon teachings out of context. Mormons, who feel guilty about wanting to renege on their moral commitments, use the CES Letter as a rationale to leave the church, because in reality they've adopted a “worldly-overview”, and the distortion of the CES allows them to “sin” without actually owning their decisions as long as they can blame the church. Cognizant dissonance is patently sanctimonious, but that is the disingenuous world we live in. John Dehlin’s immutable behavior sets the tone for his kabuki play, where departing Mormons lament over the grief of losing their close knit community while framing their morality cult as freedom from the a high demand church. He became a Mormon critic after adopting feminist concepts that encourage an acceptance of sex outside of marriage and homo-sexuality, which by any constraint mocks the Christian Bible teachings and embodies the Anti-Christ, Anti-Family challenge of our time. Dehlin portrayed his disdain for Bible teachings by criticizing the leadership for not allowing women and the LGBTQ members to hold key administration and teaching positions in the church. When Dehlin was unceremoniously excommunicated for his condemnation of the Churches’ refusal to adopt his secular reforms, he became yet another enemy of Mormonism in its righteous endeavor to restore the family culture.