Nike still hasn't given us our cool shoe car, come on nike, whip it up

"GT by Citroen" sounds like a perfume brand. "GT... by Citroën... The new fragrance... for men"

He really never reused footage of the all yellow race. Went through all that work for 10 seconds, you absolute legend.

Vision GT cars shouldn’t cost anything but time because they’re just promotional. These should be prize rides for events and that’s all.

The main problem with VGT is that games have gotten so overcompetitive that not even the brands themselves are allowed to have fun anymore. It's suposed to be a casual addition for fun rather than another point for competition, i get that it could have been incorporated in a better way, but more content should always be seen as better as long as it doesn't break the game. Gran Turismo used to be the simulator for everyone, now it's been taken over by the competitive scene and it's no longer what it once was. VGT made sense until GT Sport came out, just like Jay Leno's tank car being in game

Especially on GT7 every time I looked at Vision Gran Turismo cars I couldn't help but think "cool looking, but why focus on these instead of bringing in the game other cars that are infinitely more popular than what these will ever be?" Especially in a game that had no focused events for around half the cars available ingame. "Vision" program should have stayed as a fun concept work of a handful of a vehicle years ago, not turning GT into a grind version of Ridge racer.

It has become pretty apparent that Kaz at least as he's getting older (ie the last 10-ish years) has begun seeing cars more as beautiful things to be looked at and appreciated, as art even. And much like more modern games that try hard to be art rather than games, the "game" part of the videogame for Kaz and Polyphony is almost a vestigial part or their product, an ancient relic that they perceive to be an annoying obstacle they have to include in their product in order to market and sell said art product as a video game. I like me some car pr0n, don't get me wrong but just making something that is visually impressive and beautiful does not equate to making a good game.

9:49 The biggest mistake that was in Vision GT is actually not having insane race tracks for the insane cars. Take the NFS2SE as an example; the insane track options where designed about the insanely diverse concept cars. Now, it's insane cars designed for sane tracks.

Vgt was a wonderful idea on paper, but… well… A lot of the cars don’t behave, since they were never developed in the real world. Those that stick closest to real cars are the best, but then you might as well get the real thing. I’d love it if they used real life concept cars again, I miss the Furai. Which for a very obvious reason we can’t ever get back. Unless Mazda can be persuaded to build a replica. Please do. How about the gr3 roadcars? I used the Mustang as a rwd rallycar in gts and loved it. In gt7 it’s stuck at 1500kg, and for all the power it’s sooo sloooow…

I think Gran Turismo hasn't been necessarily strictly about realism, but rather car CULTURE, and concept cars are a part of that. They certainly need to be implemented better, but they have their place in the game

That bit for the race of yellow cars was simply hilarious, I'd love to see that snippet in its own short video

Excellent points in the video. Just to add a few small points of my own: Vision GT cars often look comical, almost like a caricature of what a car should look like, and it very much clashes with the ultra realistic look and feel of the game. The Merc VGT for example, has tyres so low profile, they look painted on. The Volkswagen Supersport has no fuel inlet anywhere. Many don't even come with reverse lights or turn signals. Most are set to scrape on their own shadow even on a textureless, mirror smooth racetrack, and with non adjustable suspension, they just spark like crazy and are a bumbling mess on laser scanned real tracks. Oh, and some of these shadow scraping cars can even fit dirt tyres, which should tell you everything you need to know about how much thought goes into these things. Which brings me to my second point: most of them drive so God awful that it's completely inconceivable to me that anyone test drove these monstrosities before greenlighting them. Back in GT Sport, the Subaru VIZIV will wheelspin in 3rd despite having AWD, and its torque vectoring just instantly spun the car upon turning the steering wheel. Same with the INFINITI VGT. I mean, hell, the Jag VGT gave us the first (and only, if I'm not mistaken) red flag in Gran Turismo history, to give some context on how awful these things are to drive. In a series that has traditionally included many duplicate cars and highlighted the minute differences between them, Gran Turismo has really made me appreciate the small, mechanical improvements that go into a car as it ages. Now imagine Dodge coming along and claiming they can make more than 2,500HP from a 7 Litre V10. Chevy saying they can propel a car with lasers. It just feels like a playground fight between children to see who can exaggerate the best. Now imagine those playground kids being given the power to materialise their fantasies. It instantly invalidates any and all of the hard work that real engineers do to satisfy safety, emissions, and reliability standards to bring a car to market. It feels like a direct slap across the face to race these outlandish and improbable VGT cars with real cars. Back in the earlier GT games, the fictional cars weren't so egregious. The Dodge Copperhead looks like it could be produced and rub shoulders with an NSX, sure. The del sol LM looked hilarious, but it could run with the other LM racecars no problem. The RX-7 LM is actually based on an obscure 15th anniversary body kit Mazdaspeed offered. Even though they were fictional, they had roots in reality, and didn't feel out of place to look at or to drive. That I feel is the main difference between fictional cars in earlier GT games versus the stupid VGTs we have now. Even if VGT cars materalise, they often don't share much with the original VGT. The McLaren Ultimate VGT uses a familiar sounding V8 engine, features a novel prone driving position, and has my favourite cockpit view in the entire game. The McLaren Solus has none of that. The only link to the VGT program it can claim is just in styling. That just feels incredibly skin deep to me. As you said in the video, VGT cars aren't for the players. They feel like cheap, marketing ploys at best and being forced to watch Kaz and car manufacturers circle jerk one another at worst.

This is why modding is so important in gaming, if the game allows mods I'm pretty sure someone will make these VGT cars able to race against each other! And possibility are endless!

I remember Vision GT actually didn’t bother me in GT6 because I was already pretty entertained with 1000+ cars in the game. It started to feel like bad additions in GT Sport and 7 since the car choices felt so limited.

Easy fix for the inclusion of concept cars debate: After doing a full integration of concept cars into events with production/racing cars, give the players an option to toggle concept cars in races as opponents. Gives the player the choice of how they play.

the intro part of the video makes me wish that in custom races we can race against 40+ cars in a gt7 update

One area they need to improve is hybrid. They need a option to put it in charge mode and overtake mode. After the first lap you run completely out of energy. And it barely recharges under braking.

Cant believe its already been a year since the nike car released🤯

My issue with the VGT cars is that they are created with no constraints. In real life, you have to worry about chassis dynamics, packaging, designing a powerplant, and all other sorts of genuine issues that your design has to accommodate. With VGT, you end up with a bunch of cars that the manufacturer doesn't have the engineering capability to deliver (looking at you, SRT Tomahawks). You can make a car model that looks and handles like a spaceship and then decide that it would have 16000hp, but you don't have to deal with waste heat, material stresses, etc...there's no art without constraints.

anotha roflwaffle certified hood classic gran turismo rant 🔥🔥🔥

I hate the fact that gran turismo gives us that many concepts but not more modern cars

I love the idea of the project and some of the results are absolutely fantastic in terms of design, as you say we even see some of the ideas from VGT having an impact. Concept Cars have always been one of my favourite categories of the Automotive world as you can see what Engineers and Designers are capable of when they're given loose parameters with no expectation of having to produce the car. If used properly the VGT program could be such a strength for the franchise as even normal concept cars tend to be very rare in other racing games. Having any concept cars be drivable in games is so fantastic as they can basically live a new life they'd never have otherwise, if they're built in a driving form irl then they tend to just end up in storage or collections if they're not dismantled at some point. VGT is just the cherry on top for me as you can see what some manufacturers have on their mind if they were unshackled in the current times and in the coming years. The implementation though leaves so much to be desired, as you say PD definitely needs to massively rethink what the hell to do with them. At the moment they're just interesting showpieces for the most part unfortunately.

"Not going to build an attachment" *mourns for the death of Tomahawk X grind at Tokyo Expressway*

it's all about the brand's prestige in my opinion, GT always envision itself as a mature, elegant, a racing game for the cultured. Vision GT is an extension of that, "look at us, even Bugatti and Ferrari designed cars for us!" i don't think Polyphony or Kaz ever think about what to do with these cars, they just want a collection of cool cars designed by real companies in the automotive industry to show how important their game is.

I think VGT is kinda cool, it's just that for whatever reason, the usage for them is insanely limited.... (which is crazy considering how far apart many are in performance)

I think the coolest thing about Vision was seeing the design cues trickle down into production vehicles.

Something that pull me off, is racing classic Le Mans cars such as 787B or R92CP against VGTs, it just ruins the immersion. Even tho I know, the game lacks classics LMPs cars in the first place to fill an entire race. And in fact, I miss that; I prefer the old cars, I miss those Pescarolo, Bentley Speed 8, Minolta 88c-v, 350z LM, GTR Falken LM etc...

Forza pulled off the fictional cars card way better, as that franchise had fictional cars from videogames like Fallout, Final Fantasy or Cyberpunk that are fully modeled and fully useable.

To be fair, the developers never promised any sort of proper usability for the VGT cars in the game - the project's main goal was to inspire manufacturers to get involved with the game, thus strengthening a positive relationship between them and the franchise. By the looks of it, this goal is achieved and there's more to come I guess. That being said, there's a win-win scenario as manufacturers get exposure and players get free cars. Sure, some of these cars are definitely not worth of general attention if any at all (like Daihatsu, Mini, ItalDesign or Zagato), some are meh but OK overall (like Infinity and BMW) and some are just epic (like Mazda, Toyota, Lexus). There's definitely some room for appreciation. To each of his own.

I am a great fan of VGT simply because I love car design, especially outrageous car design like the Alpine and Dodge VGT. However I completely agree that they make no sense to exist in GT, they just don't feel like they belong because of the things you have explained in this video.

To add to the VGT cars in other games, the Citroën ended up in Asphalt 9 Also semi related fun fact, I believe Asphalt 9 was the first game to have an official licenced "Hypercar" (LMH/LMDh) with the SCG.

The Mercedes-Benz AMG VGT (VeGeTable) you'd get for free in Gran Turismo 6 was a good way to grind Like The Wind B-Spec for easy money.

I'm not sure it matters that much in the context of the video, but as a young automotive designer starting my career in an OEM, I can say that developing a concept like that is an incredibly fun and rewarding experience, and watching some of the development of these cars in the gt6 presentations was very impactful for me as a young teen. I think this program was partly responsible for inspiring a generation of young automotive designers. And from the professional perspective, it's not often that we get the chance to work on a car with so little restriction, being able to prioritize the design vision and proportions without needing to worry about feasibility (especially inside the OEM studios, where we are always very bound by tight packaging parameters when working with production cars), which leads to a lot of creative exploration that can be end up being impactful in developing some actual production cars further down the line. These are the cars that we dream of making in our perfect car design utopia lol.

The only Vision Gran Turismo car I've ever bought was the SRT one in GT6 because it's easy to farm credits in a few advanced races.

Always saw it as Ridge Racer X Gran Turismo.

GT7 is the biggest disappoinment in the series. To make it worse they don't communicate at all. We didn't get an update this month and no explanation why

I couldn't agree more with the video. Congrats. The only Vision car I feel attached to is the turbocharged Audi version of the E-tron. So much fun to drive. The E-Tron itself is just a curiosity...

TBH, I love the VGT cars. Even before I even got Gran Turismo since I first saw them in a video called "150 Rare Cars in Video Games". From then on, even if I think Real Cars should also be added, I still have a heart for VGT Cars. Heck, I even wanted some car brands to join the VGT game like Koenigsegg, Pagani and Acura (even if Honda joined in). But then again GT Brats gonna be GT Brats (GT Brats are just GT players who complain or even btch and moan) that will still complain even if the most requested cars like the LFA, 992 GT3 and Dodge Demon are in the game and demand for real cars or call the most requested cars "boring". Besides those people are just the human versions of the slang word, "killjoy". They ruin people's fun when those said people say they like VGTs. (TBH, I always remember that before I bought my first GT Game. I would usually screenshot some VGTs and keep them since all of them, excluding the DP100 and Italdesign, are good looking imo. Even if they're all useless, aside from the Gr.1 and Gr.3 variants, or even I might never use any of them or might sell them when I don't feel like keeping them, I can still look at those VGTs and understand that VGT cars shows that creative freedom still exist.)

Video title should be VGT=KICK

Seemed cool in GT6. Was very annoyed to not see it really pan out, and most of the cars were half assed. Was very annoyed to see that it's still in the game in gt7, I don't care about these hideous concept cars anymore.

I forgot about the Fittipaldi. That was my favourite of all VGT cars because it was useable and realistic! Can't believe they got rid of it.

Personally I like seeing what designers do with VGT cars. I agree with your points that their should be more use for them in the game other than something to look at, but there's definitely a part of Gran Turismo that isn't for players, but more for the people who are interested in things like design and history.

I really believe that many car companies would rather put their concepts in a game like this rather than create a rolling chassis. These virtual vehicles arent for the gamers, they're for the manufacturers who make this game possible to tinker with ideas. A virtual vehicle is far less expensive than a tangible vehicle. Large scale auto shows started to decline in popularity in the late 00's and they took a steep nose dive during/after Covid.

I miss the Fittipaldi, and my dad has been waiting for something with the Ford VGT since 6.

Re the 499P: there is almost definitely a licensing issue with the upcoming Le Mans game because it's good ol Motorsport Games. Who simulatenously locked in NASCAR, INDYCAR, and Le Mans in one swoop, has so far only delivered NASCAR games that are a complete buggy tragedy.

I feel as though the issue largely comes down to, like it always does, time and development. The amount of patience and effort to not only wait for manufacturers to design these cars and put them in the game, but also to balance them performance-wise and price them in relation to their utility and PP while also making sure they perform uniquely from one another (which given how much of dickthroats car manufacturers are, they'd probably raise hell if their car was treated as lesser than others), would take an agonizing amount of time and work, even more work then I would presume the Gran Turismo games usually have go into them. The creation of Vision GT without planning ahead was a giant fuckup for Polyphony.

I love how they advertised all these cars that never got released in GT6. Odd considering Sony had lost a lawsuit for taking away Linux support for the PS3, prior to the game, because it was an advertised feature. i actually liked the idea of Vision GT. The aspect i liked most about the game was collecting real cars and being able to experience them. GT always had cars other games didn't especially concept cars. Adding these concept cars made it as if they actually put them into production. And it's quite interesting to see what manufacturers can design without all these (necessary) regulations. I was excited every time the game was uptaded with a new VGT, however i have only played up to GT6. That Italdesign can just fuck right off though.

I remember in GT6 launch, that glitch with the Mercedes that give you a ton of money if you downgrade the game version and sell the car Since then, all GT Vision cars for me are like "huhu that's Ridge Racer car" if I get one miraculously in a roulette ticket, i sell it immediately. Just like that one time they gifted the ferrari, I use it just for the "Vision GT" race and proceed to sell it.

Something curious about the GTC cars in GT6 if you enter in photo mode these cars actually have an modeled interior and I don't get why they decided to not making them visible in the cockpit view out of photo mode

fun fact: some of these "exclusive gran turismo concept cars" can be found in other games nowadays🤣 some of them: GT by Citroen in The Crew 2/Motorfest Honda 2 & 4 Powered in Project Cars 2/3 honorable mention also gta online which have a parody of Lexus LF-LC Vision GT as Emperor ETR1 Bugatti Vision GT as Truffade Nero Custom...

I never mind vision GT being included with modern cars in races, because I grew up with playing hot wheels and I always mixed futuristic and classic cars racing each other😭

It is nice to see other views of GT7 , yours is a critical view but done in a good positive way, is not a negative rant but informative and well done

i was literally about to start work but that can wait since roflwaffle dropped a new vid

Thought he could through in Koybayakawa at 0:42 without us noticing.

Asphalt 8 player here; Besides the Infiniti GT and Bugatti Vision GT, we also got the Volkswagen Golf Design Vision GTI and GT by Citroen, which was also eventually added to Asphalt 9 roughly over a year ago. We seldom get original Concept Cars outside of Chinese New Year Revisions or "Special Edition" Cars both of which are based on Preexisting Garage Cars. Then there are the unique Concepts like the Aston Martin Valhalla and Valkyrie Concepts, DeVel 16 Prototype, Mercedes Benz Biome, Silver Lightning and EQS Vision. But other than those the only Vision GT style Completely Virtual Concept addition seemingly exclusive to A8 for now that I can point to is the Ford Designed "Team Fordzilla P1" (TFP1 for short). From an arcade racer perspective I really like these futuristic designs concepts and I would love to see more crossover releases of these VGTs because they would fit better in our Arcade Racers thanks to the combination of unrealistic driving mechanics of +500km/h Top Speed, Aerial Stunts+Nitro Resource tools and Knockdown based PvP grid shenanigans. 😏 Those Dodge and Ferrari Concepts look hella dope. 😎👊 It's nice to see a shout-out from a different Racing community to my humble arcade side of the world. 😁👍

This video made me question why there isn't a Sunday Cup class. Cheap, stock daily drivers would be kinda fun to race against in a fair environment.

28:39 Forza player perspective - yes. It's honestly pretty cool that GT gets this status and recognition, something Forza doesn't seem to have as well (though they did help in designing the Ford GT). The Tomohawk had me watching hours of VGT content and it's always looked pretty cool to me.

I heard Ridge Racer PSP music, very underrated soundtrack 👀

I gonna create my VGT car: A Hybrid Toyota Sprinter Trueno AE86 retrolike style, using a combined engine with 1143 HP engine and a giant spoiler who magically change the downforce using AI real time calculations. Resume: VGT is a great bs.

2:40 ahh, the most beatiful car in my opinion

I LOVE Gridge Tracer: The Real Fantasy Car Simulator!

I remember I quit GT7 2 days after launch because the first online weekly race developed a meta with a Vision GT Hybrid car that was un beatable. So everyone started using just 1 car.

5:22 bro decided to shoot some Ridge Racer music. I see you're a man of culture.

I got a suspicion that the BMW VGT is the basis for the design of the BMW 3.0 CSL HOMMAGE, which is a car you earn in the early stages of a playthrough of ASPHALT 9: Legends. Yet another example of car companies using a VGT as a basis for something else.

Feels like Polyphony are trying to build Gran Turismo as a car culture platform more than a racing game. However if one part of the idea for vision GT is to reach an audience that wouldn't go to car shows, then it fails due to there not being much more to do with those cars than to look at them. Also technically there have been a bunch of fake cars in the series ever since the first game. A lot of the race cars with 'LM Edition' in the name may be based on real cars, but the racing versions are often made up.

I really liked the VGT cars, especially the Tomahawk. It's got one of my favorite interiors (feels like flying a spaceship instead of driving a race car), it's got that insane active aero that helps with cornering and braking, and its not an EV. For me, it's the Formula car experience on steroids.

The VGT program is a cool concept. The problem is the execution (usability) and that in GT7, they take up 10% of the car list. On the usability part, PD could have made a lot more events around the VGTs (same applies to other types of cars that have little to no use) by creating, for example, one-make events/championships. The same way there was the Clio Trophy nad other one-make events in GT4, we should have the BMW VGT Cup, Mini VGT Festival, and so on. This would give a unique utility to each VGT, other than just their ability to be used in some other random race. As for their ratio in the car list, the only way to solve this problem, is for PD to be faster at modeling cars for the game. We should be able to get 5/6 cars per month from updates, which would gradually make the ratio smaller.

VGT cars are cool, but not good. Whenever I see a VGT car, then I feel like "ok, whatever" and forget about them. Its a nice idea, but not done very well. Because I would find a returning car from the PS1/PS2 titles more interesting than yet another VGT car. They aren't bad in any sense, just underused. Maybe even make the prices more understanding than 1,000,000 cr.

This videos are just so enjoyable. Thank you for all your hard work! 😄

I guess I'm one of those few who love Vision Gran Turismo cars. And opposite to you view I especially love those futuristic ones. At the end of the video you mentioned that "we're not going to be driving these things in real life anytime soon". That's right, but what the difference does it make if most of us are not going to be driving all the real Bugattis and Ferraris neither? That is my main point. For most of us the real hypercars are just as much a fantasy cars as VGT's, so a Tomahawk S or even Tomahawk X isn't seem to be much more unrealistic than a Bugatti Chiron for example. Again, I get that my view is quite unique.

When vision gt was announced, my understanding was that it was to celebrate 15 years of gran turismo. So these cars would all be released & featured for GT6. Not go on for another 2 games over 10 years later...

30:58 The Hyundai N 2025 Vision GT was also featured in the Roblox game "Hyundai Mobility Adventure", but it's a manufacturer racing game, so I digress.

I wish PD would bring back the LM Race Cars from GT3.

Ngl this just made me want to see a race thats yellow team vs blue team made of a random hodgepodge of cars painted in those colors

GT Sport video teasing us with a 9 car update. If only, with GT7.

The only VGT I've ever gave a crap about was the Bugatti Vision GT, and now I guess the McLaren Vision GT can come into that because its being produced irl as the Solus GT. And the Bugatti has one real example of their VGT. Other than that, they're all fancy fictional cars you'd expect to see in ROBLOX.

What I feel don't like about VGT cars: 1. Daihatsu VGT isn't even able to compete with normal Kei cars in GT Sport. It's really baffling me because that car isn't too fast enough to fit with other VGT cars that is mostly ultra-hypercars. Spending Cr. 500,000 for a slowpoke kei car is just a scam. 2. Some VGT cars are just being unreliable and even uncompetitive (look at you, chapparal VGT!) I tried to enter endurance race with such particular car in GT7 hoping I can easily win but I was wrong.

I understand the motoring industry needs concept cars but these days I completely ignore them in the game.

I grew up with the Gran Turismo series. I've owned every title released in the U.S., starting with the original game. Sport was a huge disappointment. Gran Turismo 7 is the first of their games I've decided not to buy, and I don't feel like I'm missing out. It's not the same series I loved. Oh, well...

The GT pricing issue in the game is like getting the invitations although what I would've liked to have seen is a progression meter for each manufacturer. As you accumulate wins and miles/kilometers in vehicles from Lexus, for example, you gain rewards. Let's say at 500 kilometers driven they give you a road car, 1000, you gain complete customization freedom (Any tires on their vehicles, all paints, access to secret aero parts etc) and at 2000 along with 40 race wins, you get their Vision GT vehicle for free. But at any time you can purchase the vehicle from the shop for 1,000,000 credits. It gives the player agency and milestones to work towards for just playing the game.

Design and create? Really? No, it's to create a ridiculous body, then pull obscene performance numbers out of their butts. It's never been anything more than crass branding and it was a detriment to the game when on many occasions the best cars for particular tracks are cars that COULD NEVER EXIST. Why not just add the 'cars' from Wipeout as well?

A very interesting insight into Vison GT. Well done Rofflewaffle. I myself was bewilderd when these cars came into GT 6 and didn't really understand why they were put there (I was 13). Now I see the picture clearly whilst the achievement of this project has allowed the creation of some real cars to be realised its clear that there exacution in Gran Turismo was poor. There will always be some people that hate Vison GT but if their exacution was better I think this project could have been recieved better my the fans.

WHY AM I JUST THINKING ABOUT THE JAGUAR CX75 THE ENTIRE TIME!!!

As a player that that only ever played Gt1 to Gt5 PSP I was just now thinking of getting Gran Turismo 6 because of the VGT cars some of them look insanely cool to me, ever since I was a little boy watching old VHS recorded footage of Le Mans races I thought their prototypes were the coolest because cars like the Sauber Mercedes looked like a bullet and others just looked like spaceships and the VGT designs made that idea kid me had of the those golden prototypes into a modernized style that I happened to like, which is hella rare because in the era we live in I hate just about every car designed, a vast majority are an eye sore compared to the classics from early 2000s and under but the VGT cars surprisingly resonated with me and I'm deeply saddened to hear about how the project turned out, I'm still gonna get Gt6 since it's dirt cheap by now and I do wanna have another experience that's not replaying Gt 4 for the billionth time sad to hear the fate of these cars though

Talking about GT6 still upsets me that they never ported it to PS4. I missed a whole GT because I got rid of my PS3 when I got a PS4.

after 20+ years, the most famous racing franchise could not integrate its vision gt cars into the game?! My question is, have they even tried to play it or do the developers exist in their own separate world where players spend all their time in a photo editor? It feels like the 2d...

I've been watching a couple of your videos in the last few days and your presentation, script and delivery is top-notch. I've never considered becoming a patron for anyone but I have just joined yours based on what I've seen! My first GT was GT5, but spent more time on GT6 and some hours on GT Sport.

I feel like part of why all the vision gt cars costing the same 1,000,000 credits is to please the brands, like "these are our fancy futuristic cars it has to be expensive" "1,000,000 is a big number" "sounds good" and they couldn't have one brand's fancy futuristic car be more valuable than another's so they have to all be the same, unlike production cars that have an actual real world value attributed to them.

The Chaparral 2X VGT completely mystified me when I first saw it. I saw it for the first time at the LA Auto-Show: it looked like it was straight out of TRON. I was in love it from the start, and was confused why I never saw it in Forza or Forza Horizon when I first learned about it... I...wasn't a very bright teenager. Having never played GT - besides a very brief interaction with GT4 as a child in a Hotel Daycare in Cancun - I've only recently, through Roflwaffle, learned that they were created in collaboration with Gran Turismo, and wanted to know as much as I could about them. Watching this video though...it's saddens me that they're so neglected and isolated by their creators, and so unloved by the community. As an outsider looking in, it doesn't feel like my place to say what Polyphony could do to fix this, so I'll defer to the judgement of Rofl and the rest of the GT Community.

God i love this channel, so much good stuff about Gran Turismo :D

9:00 The McLaren Solus is actually going into production

I'm writing this comment at 19:55 So in my play through of GT7, I was always just incredibly broke since I hated the idea of grinding just so I could feel like I could complete the main focus of the game (at least to me) collecting every car. So after the big tournament arc ended you get the sub-menu books and the other new tournaments. I had a few million at this point due to getting a few lucky tickets and I saw that there was now races for the VGT cars and I was so excited because I had ZERO reason to ever buy one so I had bought the VGT Bugatti since I've always sorta liked the aggressive design and it would realistically make the races incredibly easy and possibly fun. So I buy the car, and I look at the restrictions, on a VGT race. High tire wear and fuel drain on Daytona. Then the realization set in that the car's rating was too high to enter even though the other contenders were much lighter and faster. Adding the weight ballast made the car feel like a boat and down tuning the engine was even worse since this Bugatti was something I was looking forward to owning and using to it's fullest and I couldn't even do that. After that tournament I dropped the game just feeling hollow after it. I'm an avid GT player and been a fan for a decade now but GT7 and Sport have left such a sour taste in my mouth.

hey nero53 used to be a patreon of mine, glad to see they are still supporting great content

Hi ! Found this Tweet, and from some sources know, that could be possible Mark August 7th on your calendar. It is confirmed that PD will add at least 10 cars and 2 tracks on that day

Imagine we did get that Bugatti VGT

Vision GT's ruined GranTurismo. Back at the day, even in the PSP version, we had 800 cars but now we only have half of it and %10 of it is Vision GT's. I'm looking foward to play the new Forza Motorsport when it releases.

Made for GT7 but not made useful for GT7, the fine margin xd

'Players are not the primary focus.' GT has just been seemingly distancing itself from what players enjoy. Since GT5 the game has been dumbed down with each title, and with GT7 their attempt to claw their way back is more like making camp in the hole they dug themselves into. I actually like some of the VGT cars, but I don't want to see them exist in 'The Real Driving Simulator'. I don't see how a game with an FIA partnership can also use cars that do not and some that cannot exist in the real world. The racing varients should not exist, regulations exist for real cars... The whole point of a concept car is for designers to explore limitless ideas. If the car is built in real life then sure, but irl GT classes are for cars you can buy road versions of. I feel like some exceptions could exist, a gr.3 BMW VGT would probably be cool, but again I'm somebody who'd want this effort going into a fake version of a real car like GT already has. The racing version cars from GT5/6 were exactly this and they were somewhat real designs. I can't think of an ideal way to use VGT in game because you would annoy all groups eventually. If they are added like any road car then you get people like me saying they are not real and shouldn't be used by the player or opponents. But if they are completly useless as they pretty much are now, then what's the point of them existing... I think GT6's implentation was the best since you never really saw them but the choice to use them was there. But I honestly can't trust Polyphony making a good decision with the scarce event updates. If they were only able to be used by players then I would say that's a strong option. If you want to have fun, go research what GT HD was meant to be, I did this a few years ago and found some very interesting info. Bikes from TT on the same course as cars and features that were only added in GTS. I saved links and pics if you are interested since tcrf doesn't have any.

There are maybe 5-6 VGT's that are cool, but I much rather every single one be replaced by real cars. The ambulance is cooler than all of them combine except the chaparral

Great, well-researched video! Keep it up