The Cook Report - What A Record / Horse Trainer Martin Pipe S05E05 (1991)

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11 ай бұрын

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@rogercookreports 11 ай бұрын

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@Supersleuth42 11 ай бұрын

I worked in racing during this period, and one thing I remember from that time was hearing that Pipe returned over 100 passports to Weatherbys in the course of one calendar year. That came from someone who had connections to his yard.

@kevjards 11 ай бұрын

Red Rum would have been destroyed if Ginger didn't buy him. He suffered from a bone disease Pedalostitus. Ginger cured him by training him in the water off Southport beach. And he looked after Rummy til the day he died. 22 yrs. That's loyalty.

@Peter-ix1ym 11 ай бұрын

I didn’t know this, amazing

@yabbadondadda 10 ай бұрын

and how many of his other horses did he do that for, of red rum was special winning 3 nationals you sound really stupid saying that comment racing is a business trainers don't attached to their horses especially low grade ones as soon as they can't pay their way their gone 90% of race horses are treated badly no matter what the trainer makes people think very sad really

@MsVanorak 2 ай бұрын

yes, he had been a flat racing horse and in fact his first win was at aintree under lester piggot. ginger mccain bought him as sound for his owner noel le mare and found out about his bad feet afterwards. trained him in the salt water on southport beach. i think he was 30 when he died 1965-1995.

@Nijinsky26 11 ай бұрын

The Yard had a high tech laboratory. A former champion jockey, nearly got sacked, when he went in there to talk to the staff. It was off limits to everyone in the yard. Racing people in the 80‘s certainly had their suspicions about what was going on there.

@Pauljn67 11 ай бұрын

Many thanks for uploading this one.

@anotherblonde 11 ай бұрын

It was only at Royal Ascot 2023 that trainers are now required to trot their horses up before the course vet to prove they are sound. Strict records of meds are kept, and many drugs like lasix which are legal in most other countries are not legal in UK or Ireland. New tests for EPO came in 2000, with equine and human drugs tests being improved all the time, so much so that several English jockeys fell foul of tests in France in recent times. Stricter testing in France was thanks to Lance Armstrong et al.

@user-dp6cw9po5k 11 ай бұрын

This Cook Report from 1991 paints a firm But fair Picture of Martin Pipes & Horse Racing in General, Splendid Work!🙂😊

@db0800 6 ай бұрын

He had more runners ergo more fatalities.

@JohnJohn-zn8ib Ай бұрын

Horse trainers are scumbags.

@WtfTravellingJim 11 ай бұрын

Martin got serious results, the horse often ran up a sequence of wins, went up high in the handicap and so therefore were not worth keeping if their chances of winning were seriously diminished.

@wayinfront1 11 ай бұрын

A damning report. The way Pipe ran his horses was a scandal. No less so was the Jockey Club ignoring his high wastage rate and the suffering inflicted on the horses he trained.

@michaeljohnson5365 11 ай бұрын

Even Ginger was calling Pipe saying he was burning horses out! Pipe was murdering those horses

@MarkSmith-tp6zc 11 ай бұрын

All these figures in racing who spoke against Pipe’s model cannot all be wrong. Pitman, McCain, proper horse folk.

@BradyPires7 11 ай бұрын

i was into racing since the 80s, and remember in the early part of the season hed run the horses into the ground, obviously he had some very good horses over a long period, i cant believe scudamore would ride a damaged horse and he would know

@SH66667 11 ай бұрын

First trainer to use interval training which hardened them up better than those doing a canter once a day and needed a month between races to get over the shock of a race. Only so many times an athelete equine ,canine or human can go to the fitness well. Remember going on a stable tour to another trainer and every other horse was on box rest.

@ThefightingCelt 10 ай бұрын

There was a lot of jealousy towards Martin Pipe. The fact is that he developed training methods which were regarded unorthodox but definitely not illegal. He placed his horses superbly well, many races won using front running tactics. The quote from the vets totally vindicate Martin Pipe.

@dalek3086 Ай бұрын

running an injured horse with bandages - and another horseman says the horse should not have run . this really says it all. some record. High wastage rate......

@michaeljohnson5365 11 ай бұрын

Its always good to see Ginger McCain

@michaeljohnson5365 11 ай бұрын

@@rottie1971 yes i know he did i have his autobiography

@westendlondon8545 10 ай бұрын

Gotta say, I have never seen Roger Cook on a Racecourse or in a Bookies 😅

@stevehives7373 11 ай бұрын

Martin pipe cared about Martin pipe, he didn't care about the horses they were just a meal ticket, smart man yes because he came up with his method of training first, wouldn't happen now. I would be interested to know how many of his horses ended up at the knackery...

@MsVanorak 2 ай бұрын

sounds like a lot - they had to go somewhere. i was at the grand national one year when he had a runner and it fell at a jump on the home straight. the jockey unsaddled it on the course on purpose i think so that it would be led past the trackside crowd looking like a flippin' toast rack.

@michaeljohnson5365 11 ай бұрын

18.30 that was Minnehoma

@kennymoore7332 11 ай бұрын

I backed him when he won, I love Freddie Starr 😊

@bensouthwell1339 10 ай бұрын

the Guy is a Genius with a capital G. he is one of the few people to change the rules of their given sport. Here is a Guy who should be sitting in the House of Lords representing horse racing with his unique knowledge of the sport he has dominated for so long.

@astra47420 11 ай бұрын

The legend mr cook love it remember it wen I was younger love it then and now. 😊😊😊

@michaeljohnson5365 11 ай бұрын

Even the vet reconisned it as cruel

@ianandrews7559 11 ай бұрын

totally unfounded the lot of this as the next 15 years will tell you

@stevecooper2907 11 ай бұрын

Good days when horse won at all costs raceing now is awful they win more backing horses to loose

@user-xn2hf9re8r 11 ай бұрын

I'm an athlete and over training is a sure fire way of escalating health issues - horses are no different. Flesh and blood takes time to repair irrespective of any 'modern' methods. Pipe is wrong about owners deciding on races - they respond to the trainer's advice and pushing - Pipe's. He is a disgrace and horses will run until they drop - his argument about them not running unless they enjoy it is false. He is a liar.

@paulsharkey2862 11 ай бұрын

Pipe was first one to do it PROPERLY for fucks sake!!!!

@stephenholmes1036 11 ай бұрын

Bull, He did it differently he wasnt a touch on Fred Winter, Arthur Stephenson, Fulke Walwyn, Gordon Richards,Neville Crump, Venicia Williams, Capt Tim Forster and Capt Ryan Price. They trained horses that would last years longer than Martin Pipe and were far better trainers of chasers than Mr Pipe. I suggest you look at the losses of the above then at Mr Pipe 70% justify that? Listen to the vet on the seller winner at Southwell. Mr Pipe was the cheap and cheerful end of the market and he says it he does care if they dont come back. Martin Pipe was honest though i give him that.

@johnsonkevin1 11 ай бұрын

Correct Paul. The first trainer to get a horse fit.

@stephenholmes1036 11 ай бұрын

@johnsonkevin1 Really? And how many 9/10 years plus were left? Martin Pipe says it cheaper horses with owners that wanted winners at all costs. Then at 7/8 sell whats left and work horses from 3 to 7 maybe 8. The wins were there but the losses? Or do they matter to you?

@chriscolton6329 6 ай бұрын

Michael Dickinson was, imo...

@chasey2327 11 ай бұрын

hate the thought of horses bursting blood vessels or getting other injuries - but that often happens when horses turn up at the track unfit...something Martin cant be accused of as he had them fitting fit, involving vets in more blood testing and swimming and schooling the horses intently. Martin's a decent guy i'm sure of that, he also wanted winners and the sight of scu being half a circuit clear was an everyday occurence for years!

@martincosgrove8879 10 ай бұрын

Roger cook the man from the gentry

@thecritic81 11 ай бұрын

This was proven to be a lot of nonsense at the time,

@CONSIDERABLYMORE1 11 ай бұрын

Prove it

@marriotttenorgmail4474 11 ай бұрын

@@CONSIDERABLYMORE1you prove it

@CONSIDERABLYMORE1 11 ай бұрын

@@marriotttenorgmail4474 wind your neck in you mug

@scottlowder8576 10 ай бұрын

Martin pipe used to smoke the opposition away

@johnh1252 5 ай бұрын

Nothing changed. The BHA are hopeless.

@benellis9665 11 ай бұрын

This looks a proper hatchet job! Cook always came across as a nasty piece of work! It's also grossly unfair to compare training methods opposed to the unique circumstances of Red Rum simply because that's the horse all people (whether racing fans or not) have heard of!

@mabbrey 10 ай бұрын

different trainer at the time, ex flat horses run up a sequence then sold on

@terenceherming1838 11 ай бұрын

Was this the only one on Pipe or was there another

@ianandrews7559 11 ай бұрын

David his son is currently a trainer same stables

@terenceherming1838 11 ай бұрын

Thanks no I meant the video was there a part two, a follow up. Probably not

@ianandrews7559 11 ай бұрын

ah yes sorry didnt read the question properly

@johnh1252 5 ай бұрын

Thought there was one about doping @@terenceherming1838

@iannorton4463 11 ай бұрын

Very interesting,, I hope this guy isn't in business anymore or much after your investigation..

@AlanFleming7499 11 ай бұрын

Yes this show absolutely destroyed Martin Pipe's career!! He has been champion National Hunt trainer 15 times and had Peter Scudamore, Richard Dunwoody and AP McCoy as his stable jockey. By the time he retired in 2006 he had saddled 4183 winners including 34 at the Cheltenham festival including two Champion hurdle's although the Gold Cup did evade him. He also won the Grand National with the Freddie Starr owned Miinehoma. He also had some success on the flat and had six victories at Royal Ascot. Looking back on this programme its claims have been mostly disproved and "The truth, though, was that Pipe was just getting his horses fitter than anyone else, knew precisely when they were healthy enough to do themselves justice, and ran them in the right races."

@WESSERPARAQUAT Ай бұрын

evil pipey

@michaeljohnson5365 11 ай бұрын

Yes sadly lots of horses end up getting put down after there careers have finished or are demed not good enough to compete and then end up being turned into dog food and cat food its a really horrible business

@johnsearley7168 11 ай бұрын

Only winning horses will come back .If not injured.if a horse wins say 5 races out of ten entries does that mean that horse is burnt out ...I don't think so. If a horse dosent win or get place in a season maybe it won't pay to keep it in training the cost would be to much .

@michaeladams9205 10 ай бұрын

Horses wear bandages for a reason

@BradyPires7 11 ай бұрын

Why does pipe say why would he want horses coming back the following year? Ok in flat racing obviously top class horses mostly stay to 4 or 5 tops then stud beckons obviously 3year old retire too but jump racing c'mon lots of horses go until 12/13 year olds if healthy enough. He didn't expect 4/5 year olds coming back the following season? Ludicrous He was never my favourite person in racing back in the day In my opinion Jockey's rode for him to become champion jockey as they would ride so many winner in the summer/ autumn most of the horses unbackable anyway. I feel for the beautiful horses and also the owners because hopefully mostly they love these creatures and not using them as cash machines

@seanscanlon9067 11 ай бұрын

Because his owners were at the cheap end of the market when buying horses and they as owners and he as a trainer ran horses at the lower quality end of racing, such as in sellers and claimers when the horses are put up to sell or claimed after the race, so if another owner or trainer buys the horse then it will change hands and not go back to Pipe's stable. As Pipe became more successful, he started to attract owners who had the money to buy better quality and more expensive horses, which meant that as a trainer he could then compete at the higher quality end of racing and less so at the lower end, where horses he ran in sellers and claimers not going back to his stables will have accounted for his higher turnover of horses in and out of his stables.

@suemaher5282 11 ай бұрын

David Johnson was a major owner with him and wanted horses of better class in better races and actually transformed that yard. They had great days with Well Chief to name one. When David died and Martin retired his son David took over. Seeing this makes me realise racing has come along way. Horses running 3 times a week and over hurdles and fences on hard ground that would not happen now. Funny way to describe a yard as a factory as the reporter said sounds horrible

@davidmclachlan6592 11 ай бұрын

It's fairly obvious from this report that Pipe was so obsessed with numbers of winners that this would override the wellbeing of the horse.

@seanscanlon9067 11 ай бұрын

@@davidmclachlan6592 Except that it isn't. Horses do not win unless their wellbeing is sound and this report highlights a few odd questionable examples from a yard that probably had close to 200 horses a season that in total ran in the region of 1000 races a season.

@davidmclachlan6592 11 ай бұрын

@@seanscanlon9067 .....when you're racing young horses three or four times times a month over hurdles on hard going , there aren't many trainers who would recommend that , you might win a lot of races but who would advise that as being good for the horses overall well being.

@db0800 11 ай бұрын

Martin's horses were simply fitter than anyone else's. This meant they could run more. The trainers who came on here ran horses that were fat. That is bad for the horse. Every yard suffers loss. It's horrible but happens due to weaknesses from breeding.