IS CLIVE ALIVE OR ARE PEOPLE JUST HUFFING COPIUM? Let me know below!

Honestly felt bad for Gav the most. He's Cid's most loyal ally and even after his passing, Gav still continued to support his cause. When he saw Jill crying and starts to break down himself, that's where I lost it. Gav already lost two Cids. This game really has a lot of interesting character outside of the main ones (Clive, Jill, Cid, Torgal and Joshua). Gav, Goetz, Mid, Charon, Byron and many others from the hideaway and I haven't felt this attached to these side characters since FFIX.

I literally broke down ugly crying and Torgal howling at the moon was the breaking point. Man, this game is an absolute masterpiece!

What a 'magical' scene how the boy made fire manually without using magic crystals. That was the world cid and clive are dreaming of.

Square please stop killing my favorite protagonist or making them suffer this like the third time now

The fact that you can argue whichever angle you want when interpreting the ending is perhaps the best example of this game really nailing it’s theme of “living and dying by your own choices”. We can choose for ourselves if we think Clive has survived or not, and what better way than that is there for the devs to put us into his shoes with this theme in mind. Banger video btw!

Every time i watch this ending and Joshua’s death. Always makes me cry. These characters been through so much

The ending had me almost cry I spent 50 hours getting to love these characters and emotionally invest my self into them and the ending had me tearing up like no tomorrow

This was my first final fantasy game. I really enjoyed it. There were parts around the halfway point that really dragged but overall it was an enjoyable experience. I loved the cast and Clive is one of the greatest video game protagonists I’ve ever seen. Ultima when it comes to villains though was very generic and one dimensional. As a character, he’s pretty subpar. But when I was playing through the final boss at 7 am staying up all night Sunday night/Monday morning determined to finish the game, I thought about something. Clive is literally facing his inner demon. The fight all takes place in Clive’s head. So when you think about that, Ultima is a much better psychological threat and works much better as a concept than as a villain. An antagonist can be anything, and Ultima is definitely meant to be a villain, but he really serves as a great psychological threat and concept for Clive to overcome at the end of the game and complete his arc. When I started thinking about Ultima that way, I came to appreciate him a lot more. He’s not a good villain, but he’s a good antagonist

Man, that cut from Clive holding his baby brother's hand to him holding his (baby) brother's body...

I finished the game yesterday and I have a feeling Clive is not dead. He published the "final fantasy" book under Joshua's name. The happocrates guy in the side quest did suggest Clive to pick up "pen" by resting his sword. Also the red star besides the moon vanishing probably means that Jill's wish of Clive returning back safely to her was fulfilled/granted. I don't know whether I'm overdosing on copium or not but thats what I interpreted out of the ending.

I really thought Ultima was a great villain for the story. He didn't feel shoehorned in and the game left so many hints towards his existence. He plays well into the games central themes and is a great foil for Clive and Cid's ideals

A sad dog that howls, real or fictional, breaks my heart every time. 😭😭😭

They really did Dion dirty in the end... Got reincarnated as a dog.

The cut from Joshua as a baby to Clive holding his dead body hurt my soul man

I chose to believe that Clive survived. CBU3 kept going on and on about paying attention to symbolism and quests. So with Jill’s whole Night and Dawn comment in a side quest unlocked right before the end, the quill, Clive’s talks about never breaking a promise again then promises everyone stuff, Vivian’s whole side quest before the end about how the truth depends on how many people believe in it, etc. They left it ambiguous and then gave us so many reasons to believe either direction Clive’s fate could’ve gone. They clearly want us to interpret it our own way so it was very easy for me to believe he’s still alive because I love happy endings.

I love that the ending can be interpreted in multiple ways and it's up to us to choose their path - fits in well with the theme of the game. As for what the truth of the matter is? Well pending if the dev team ever deigns to grace us with the answer it doesn't really matter - another theme, highlighted with Vivian's and The Undying questlines - what people believe to be true, becomes true.

Lets just agree, the music was absolutely a banger all the way through. from the remixed tracks for garuda and titan, to the final fight, and the end scenes. Honestly. 10/10. I will say i do hope square gets enough y'know, reactions feedback etc, to get a DLC with jill and torgal and whomever else and atleast give us a 'happy' or y'know, atleast a better ending for the two, so they can move on. I've never really been attached to characters in a game outside of final fantasy 7 (mainly from childhood.) So this is really a first one that i've wanted a happy ending for a team of characters. I think if it was a DLC of jill and torgal adventuring with like Gav or something, and either finding a hospitalized clive as a 1 armed wonder, and jill and him can be happy im all for that, you know the MC had SO SO SO MUCH GROWTH. And the moral of the story was litterally living and surviving, them killing clive off just feels like a waste, and is nothing but tragic for Jill. They honestly deserve a happy ending i feel, not a bitter sweet one. ALTHOUGH. Damn you Square, you pulled them heart strings man, if that was their aim it was a masterpiece, i think it and zelda will easily EASILY buck for game of the year as of this moment. And it'll just come down to loyalist of Zelda vs the story telling of final fantasy 16. If it was a more 'happy' ending with clive and jill managing to be together in the end. (DLC CMON BBY) that be my game of the year for sure, it's already there honestly. That isn't to say square didnt do a bang up job either, the game was beautiful, gameplay was fun (You'll love FF mode, im enjoying it so much) And the ending was like, 99.99% perfect, but y'know, pray for DLC. Atleast in my eyes.

Call it copium or hopium or what not, I think Clive survived and we are reliving his story that he chronicled in the "Final Fantasy" book he wrote under Joshua Rosfield name (as Harpocrates suggested he should do in one of the sidequests) to honor his fallen brother. Clive narrates the game, the beginning sequence and the end sentence is also spoken by him and exactly how the book would begin and end. They could pick any other VA to do it, but they chose Ben aka Clive. Many clues from sidequests and how Jill acts in the end also point to it. People only talk about her crying, but almost no one speaks about her smiling at the dawn (sidequest reference). Metia vanishing/loosing her light can be interpreted as a falling star - granting wish. Many people think Joshua survived (maybe) but I don't think so, unfortunately, no one can bring dead back to life, not even the Phoenix (as it was stated in the story) and Ultima's powers doing it is just too random and pointless to the story to happen. I HOPE Square won't confirm or deny anything. Endings like this should be for the audience to interpret, there is no point to do it like so and then say it happen like this or that. Ending would loose it's purpose if they ever touch the subject.

I also forgot to restock on potions before the final stretch. I came here with 2 potions and 1 high potion. Didn't end up dying, but I came close at the end.

Clive is not dead at the end of the lore writer questline he gives clive an pen to maybe he becomes an writer someday, so he wrote the book in joshua name's to maintain his legacy. The narrator of the story is clive to the end even in the book part so the narrator cannot die to narrate. Also joshua said himself that phoenix cannot bring others from death so rip joshua so clive attempt to revive joshua with phoenix power was in vain and we don't know even if Ultima could bring others from death too. And Jill at the end is relieved because the sun it means that metia last resort before she fades was make jill wish come to true. Yoshi-p said symbolism is very important in this FF as well the questlines especially the last ones optional such as joshua and jill. Leaving all that aside i hope people start complaining and Yoshi-p say something or give us an DLC or even longer version of the ending, because people are done with bs open ending in games lol

Well from the looks of this ending I see why they envisioned no DLC after the main story.

Joshua was so perfect. The whole main cast was fantastic but Joshua was pure from scene 1♡♡♡

Salute to Dion. 17:45

Out of literally every reaction i've seen regarding the final fight of the game, this one came the closest to how i felt (especially Dion's sacrifice; i could rewatch that hundreds of times and still cry). After this, i got a lot of catching up to do regarding your content. Keep up the good work!

The contents of the game are *literally the final fantasy* of this world. Nice.

My own brother's name is Joshua, and this game reminds me of it every time.

The starlight song is called My Star by Amanda Achen. But still cannot find it yet right now :(

There are wayyy too many hints that Clive is alive, the loresman giving him his pen to write after this is over, the book at the end, him being the narrator, Jill's quest and quote about him always coming back to her, the sun rising, Metia, the children playing the same story Clive played with Byron...

I like how in the final Eikon Fight, Phoenix and Ifrit were incapable of damaging Ultima Prime and he even counter attacked them. Yet everytime Bahamut attack, Ultima Prime was forced to use his shield. It shows how powerful Bahamut attack was, thats why his final megaflare hurts Ultima enough to say "oh.." because he didnt have time to use shield. And Ultima wasn't even trying to punch Bahamut, he knows he can only hurt bahamut with energy attack as powerful as Gigaflare 😂 Bahamut is still the strongest Dominant ❤

There is a interesting Reddit post giving argument to why Clive Lived writing the book in his brother name

I think that Clive survived cuz I chose to believe that he did. besides the whole story is narrated by him strongly indicating that he lived. EDIT: If you did all the side quest at the end, it becomes abundantly clear the he lived.

How can anyone not cry while seeing this? The best ending in video game history. Thank you Square Enix.

i cried like a baby in the end🥲 dion was my fav character 😭😭

But i broke down i was sad for joshua and i was heartbroken for jill when i first seen the end. But after i pieced the story together the ending is really what ever you want it to be. Its open

Food for thought, this was a comment from Yoshi-P back in a May interview Yoshida: [laughs] For me, it's actually not really different. I kind of approach the FF16 story the same way I approach expansions for FF14. I think a good script is something that doesn't give all the answers at the end. It invokes a lot of feelings. It makes people think... it leaves a little bit of doubt there at the end. You're going to have finality in the main beats of the story, and you're going to get those answers. But there's always going to be that door left open a little bit to get people thinking. Moving forward, when people get the game and they play it, and they love it enough that they want to see more... We've left the door open a little -- just enough so that we can continue and can show more. But for what you're going to get on June 22nd, it's going to be a complete experience that you're going to be able to enjoy from beginning to end. Imo they wouldn’t leave the door open to DLC just to confirm Clive is dead

The real ending is what ever you want it to be. Its your final fantasy thats the hidden msg in this.

Side bar, I know I’m not the only one who was scared sh**less when Ultima first appeared lol he just showed up behind Clive I was caught all the way off guard lmao

The fact that Ultima shares his voice actor with Z from XC3 and the final battle takes place in Origin is hilarious to me.

Spoilers i guess but this is a video on the finale so what did you expect , but... I refuse to beleive that Clive is dead, that book was never mentioned to be written during the game, he had to have survived to write it, and it never shows the curse going beyond his arm, you know the rule, no body no death. it might be pure copium but i dont care Clive and Jill need a happy ending, they deserve it. Edit: for some reason i thought clive wrote the book instead of joshua, but i still have hope

It could be interpreted in many ways but people seem to forget that Cid basically had most of his arm petrified before his death. It was ailing him probably for years prior. So it is VERY possible that Clive's hand alone could have been petrified and stopped there as magic ceased to exist at that point. Also, there are many things pointing to Clive writing after his journeys. Tomes gives Clive his prized quill pen at the end of his quest line. And there is also a quest line where Clive says once his journeys are over, he may put down his sword and pick up a pen. The game's writers could have planted this into the game to make people think one way but honestly who knows. The writers leave it open-ended for interpretation because it gets people talking about the game / story. It's possible that Joshua could have survived because Clive healed him at the end. It could also be possible that Tomes or the Undying wrote the book in Joshua's name as they would have knowledge of the events due to all their research and Clive / Joshua relaying information along the way.

Such an incredible game. The ending breaks me every time I think about it 💔

The character i was rooting for the most was Joshua. He's been through so much. BEST BOY 😭😭

Good lord just finished the game and can’t stop crying….

Asura from Asura's Wrath would be proud of the final punch.

omg Roger you're so right about Satan from that Mark Twain animation. I think that got recommended to all of us a few years back lol it was all over the place.

“And thus did our journey end” is definitely the last line of the Final Fantasy book imo. Clive narrating it instead of Joshua I think says something about the ending

I feel like they didn't use Dion enough, we needed more Dion. I cried for him like a baby of course but I wanted more time with him. Joshua slipped up not going to him sooner. Gav, Mid, Goetz (UNDER USED TOO) and Uncle Byron are literally my favorite side characters. Joshua × Mid!! 🎉 Dude when Joshua CLOCKED Clive for Jill, I felt that, it was SUPER DESERVED. They honestly had us on a string with Clive × Jill! God! TORGAL BEING BEST BOI ❤

Bro... experiencing this game in a home theater with Diastrophism causing bass and a TV which gets as bright as a Zettaflare was the best experience I ever had with any game. ESPECIALLY the fight against Ultima in space, the colors, the vibrance, the effects, THE MUSIC!!!!! My retina was burnt through like gloom Btw, is the audio in this video kinda compressed and gritty?

Since I only played four Final Fantasy including this one. My top is ... story/lore wise. -Final Fantasy VII (all game included) -Final Fantasy XVI -Final Fantasy X (And X-2) -Final Fantasy VIII

As much as I love this game, and as much as I absolutely love that they made me feel loss in the end. I know I can’t stand the conversation around not knowing 100% if Clive is dead. And I know this may sound greedy, but this game made me feel some thing when I saw what I thought was Clive dying and I don’t want it to be taken away from me. But now I feel like it is because this ending appears to be open ended and I really think that hurts the game. In my opinion I’m not a fan of those types of endings. I just wish there was more clarity.

Such a brutal ending. Was expecting Clive to rebuild the world with Jill at his side. Bitter sweet as hell. Best final fantasy game ever. Give me some Jill DLC

so nice to see someone reacting as emotionally as i did

Here's hoping the Leviathan the Lost stuff is added on as the first DLC for this game, I wonder if it's a whole side story and then Ultima gets partial moveset in his final boss fight as well once you beat it, that would be absolutely worth it to play again to see in my opinion. Glad you found the experience worthwhile Roger, you blasted through this game pretty quick too 😂

It's so funny seeing Roger dance to nothing in the last few minutes of credits XD

Damn the end of this game is honestly perfect I almost cry few times during the final (clive, joshua and dion deaths, gav and jill reaction ...) And the final punch against ultima is so satisfying, I never smashed a button this hard in my life Definetely a GOTY contenders

FF16 is definitely in my top 3 favorite FF games, may even be number 1, but it's close. For me it is GOTY by far, but then again I've never loved Zelda games as much as FF games.

If I had a nickel every time I fought the final boss of a video game voiced by Harry Lloyd in a place called Origin, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird it happened twice.

The credit song is actually made by the person who made the chainsaw man opening song. Kenshin Yonezu. He has amazing songs

Wonderful game. If Clive really died, it's so sad thinking he died by himself alone. No one beside him in his last minute on that beach. Wish his flame lives on forevermore.

i was waiting for this! i had to leave the stream because i had not finished the game yet so i wasn’t there to see your reaction to the ending

I think Clive lived, but I'm ok if he didn't too. If he didn't I'm sure Joshua did; the whole game Clive wanted nothing more than to save his brother, and in the end he did. With Phoenix amplified by Ultima's power, who knows? Plus when the Crystal disappears you see a platform still floating there. Joshua wakes up there and flies down. Also it wasn't until the end of the game that I saw the little Phoenix feather Clive carries and realized "hey, it's a Phoenix Down lol".

I ugly cried for hours during the ending 🤣

Thank you for showing us how much you appreciate the music! I love it when someone's so immerse in everything the game has to offer!

great boss but i was so dissapointed in the ending. We spend 50+ hours with this cast and growing with your party just for not a single charater to get any closure at all. I was not a fan of that but damn what a game.

Poor jill. That made me cry and the music hits so hard.... Love that game. Its a masterpiece imo ❤ I will grind new game + and try to get 100% its not over for me xD

Honestly, i would *love* to see another mainline take from CBUIII and essentially became the one who leading the future of FF. But that leads the question of CBUI, the OG division (the one's remaking FF7 and KH4) , are they gonna became a Remake division now?

Thus, did our journey end. That's the final line of Clive's book. He wrote it. He's definitely alive, but the writers had to do the open ended so people continue to discuss it long after the ending credits, it also creates discussion around wanting a DLC. We also have Leviathan that is clearly mentioned in the game but doesn't appear in the game. The game has been breaking sales records over in Japan, it's a huge commercial success so DLC/sequel is almost guaranteed, in my opinion.

So I did some research because I was in denial about the ending and I found some stuff that may also imply that Clive might of actually made it out like for example the devs said that there will also be things in the world that will help tell or fill in the blanks to the end of the story like example there was a side quest where Clive mentions after all this is over he wants to write a story and what do we see at the end of the game a book written by “Joshua” there is ZERO implications that Joshua was writing a story and also we got confirmation Joshua did die Clive was the only one who made it out of origin and also it wouldn’t be the first time Clive took some one else’s name in a form Of “dedication” so it could mean Clive lived and did make his way back to Jill and those kids could very much be his dependents (that’s just a theory) also people believe that the redStar burning out at the end wasn’t Clive’s death but to symbolize his return and that the Star did indeed grant hills wish for him to come back to her she also prayed again before he left and there is a lot of lore about people making a wish on that star and it is said that if enough people put their faith into it that wish will come true or something like that also there are people that also say the song that they play at the end tells the tail of Clive coming back to Jill the devs said the end of the game is very “hopeful” and that there are things sprinkled throughout the world that will help u come to your own conclusion to the end of Clive’s story so have faith he might of at worse lost his left hand but he can still live through that it only kills u if u turn to stone completely and watching it closely it looks like it stopped at his wrist so he might still have been alive and just passed out from exhaustion

The game was incredible and the music killed it! How many times I was in awe just by the shere epicness on screen. Masterpiece!

First for Joshua the MVP

Gav was the real mvp And our third cid 😢

So I cannot stand bittersweet endings. Many times it feels like the writers just wanted to add one last emotional gut punch right at the end without any other reason. I kinda feel the same way here. Clive dying doesn’t feel right to me. Struggling so much to have a happy life just to not get it in the end. That feels wrong. Yeah he got to choose his death, but also not really because he had no other choice if he were to save the world. It may be copium but I hope he survives and only lost the hand because he deserved to have his happily ever after with Jill

maybe happy ending DLC ??? my guess that Joshua who wrote the book is Clive and Jill son that explain the last name, also the two kids are Joshua kids.. i don't think Clive died, Jill stopped crying and smiled at dawn and her line to clive in the side quest : "no matter how dark the night dawn will always come and that you will come for me, Clive"... and the most important clue is in all the scenes between Clive and Jill in the game they made the piont over and over that they wil always come back to each other... also Clive says thus are journey end after Jill scene..

I think Clive is alive. He returns safely and celebrating a memorable party like Straw Hat crew style with all other fellows. He finally marrying Jill with the coolest wedding ever held in Valisthea. He become a story writer while opening Chocobo farm and workshop. He spends the rest of his life together with Jill, Mid and Torgal 👀🔥

Clive is alive t's obvious thx god

@1:15:28 Ahhh you missed Metia's light going out...!!! That was the signal to Jill that Clive didn't make it... But until the dawning of the new day does her expression change...!

Clive is actually alive. The narrator of the story can't die. Joshua's fate is 50/50 however cause Ultima wanted Clives body to use Raise. Which would revive his race. Phoenix alone cant revive the dead, Ultimas power combined with it can. That's why Joshuas fate is ambiguous. I see the comments and people clearly didn't do the side quests before the finale or read Vivians and Harpocrates notes.

So Joshua lived at the end ?

Clive is alive. If you do the side quest for the librarian, he gives Clive a quill and ink and explains once he’s done fighting he should start writing. The phoenix can ONLY mend injuries but can not mend the spirit meaning that Joshua died but didn’t die with the hole in his chest. Clive takes Joshua’s name as an author to give his name lasting legacy like how he took Cid’s name

After finishing this game i have this final fantasy as an S tier alongisde ff6 and ff7. Definitely a masterpiece and top 3.

Clive is alive because metia star lost the brillant for thats case Jill desire its done...he still alive Joshua too

Sucks that I really didnt wanna get attached to clive knowing he wont be in another final fantasy game. And yet i got attached to clive. Damn square why you gotta do that.

Ultima is what I wish Z from Xenoblade could've been. Same voice actor but much better writing

“Such a good Cid.” Sub’d

OMG YOUR RANT right there "If you had told me..." SAME BRO - SAAAAAAAAAAAME

The ending theme: My star, is from Jill to Clive, and the moon gazing, Clive to Jill.

When Clive and Jill were naked they definitely made a baby and named it Joshua Rosfield

Dion deserved family with his Terence and Kihel ❤

I don't know you did this without Shiva. I was using that freeze dash on him left and right. That moveset is so delightfully broken.

now thats a goty

Clive's alive and I know it :')

Great reaction, the game was an awesome experience. I also love the end song

There was one Eikon that was missing from the game which Joshua mentioned the name Leviathan Lost back in Ash. Assuming when Clive said that Ultima's power was too great for this vessel, was it due to the vessel being incomplete without the power of Leviathan perhaps? If so, chances that YoshiP might do a DLC about it which would give us an alternate ending of What if. Joshua said that not even the Phoenix can bring one back from the dead but what if a complete vessel with all eight Eikons and Ultima's gift has the power sufficient enough do that? After all, Ultima's aim was to recreate the world using Clive as it's vessel to channel the spell so what's to say that if Ultima's gift is powerful enough to bring one back from the dead. That's just fanmade theory I had in my mind all this time so please go easy on me if I missed something there :)

Pure turn based in FF is done.. I can’t see them ever going back under the mainline FF titles. If you want colourful or semi turn based, that is what FF7R is there for. Mind you, we will have remakes of the older titles in the relative near future (near in SE terms) which will be nice as long as they don’t change it up.

There are multiple reasons I believe Clive is alive, Cid had a stone arm for years. Clive bookends the story as if he was telling it, Just like he told Harpocrates, that he eventually wished to put down the sword and pick up the pen. I believe the book at the end was written under Joshua as the pen name, or by Clive's son. I really thought they were going to bring back Joshua before destroying the final crystal, or that Clive would give his life to bring Joshua back.

It’s crazy I always hoped that shiva and ifrit had a special bond towards one another since ff8, my first ff game, and this game went hard on that.. this game is a real treat..

I just beat this last night I put 50 hours into it with all the side quests. This is the best game I have played in the last 2 years because of combat and story. Love your channel and you ste adorable

I NEED A PART 2!!!

@26:46 This is my whole entire being saying the same exact thing...