Looks like your feedback has helped! Rogue announced today (July 21) that they'll exchange your MG-4C for the new narror version if you want! You just have to email them. They also told me they're not abandoning the MG-4C and have thicker handles in the works. This goes to show why they're one of the best in the business.

You would've thought when Rogue was testing the original, someone would've said it's way too big lol

Rogue needs to have a couple influencers like yourself test products for them before release to the general public.

Damn, didn’t even wait for wounds to heal…..and people usually get paid to be beta testers, I guess Rogue was like “naw fam, they gonna pay US this time”, lol.

I’m glad they made the change! It shows that they can adapt to their customers.

I dodged a bullet with the original bar. I was so hyped after seeing it at this year's Arnold Classic, but my wife reminded me how little I used a previous multi grip bar I owned (I actually gave it away some years ago haha).

Come on you guys knew this was coming. I bought the Elite FTS version and it will accomplish the same thing for a lot less.

Seems to me like ever since the home gym boom from covid Rogue’s quality and customer service has tanked.

Rogue has been goofing up lately, rep fitness been on the up and up

I understand the frustration here and agree it might be good to get more feedback for these more unique specialty bars. That being said, if this was a result of feedback from the community then I'm happy they listened and quickly provided the new option rather than waiting a year or more.

Great info, I’ve been MIA and have not been in the loop…if I ever get this I’ll know which one to purchase 👌

This just makes me respect Kabuki a little more. So glad I have the Kadillac Bar.

I agree from my experience it pays to not be an early adopter to new home gym products. BUT, I am happy that it seems like companies like Rogue and Rep are listening to the feedback from influencers like yourself and the community and improving some of their products. Hey Rogue, send prototypes to Brandon...he is not afraid to give you constructive criticism and help you give the people what they want!

I placed an order for the MG-4C when it was released and cancelled the order before it shipped. Buyer's remorse. I couldn't really justify the price, especially knowing I'd have to buy extra handles too. Glad I dodged that bullet, because I'd be kind of upset about this. Went with the EliteFTS American Cambered Bar and I've been pretty happy with it. Rogue really should've tested the original MG-4C more. Can't see why anyone would buy the wider version now, aside from people with massive hands.

That's some impressive turn around on the 2nd iteration, which likely ain't happening with offshore manufacturing. Any idea if they are planning to continue offering both versions of the bar? I wonder if they added washers to the bolts. If not, maybe that will be in version 3. It would be nice if they offered early adopters a credit towards the 2nd bar, or a buyback, or maybe a reach around from the Rogue employee of your choice.

So, you're saying, the bar did lie? *ba dum tss* I'll see myself out

Thanks to you, you tubers I waited, and hopefully this is the 1

I’m glad u called rogue out on the BS. Glad that they do listen to feedback and fix what was needed. Rogue needs to test their product first before release it and instead of release product then fix’s the issue and resell them!!!!

Rogue recently got involved in the manufacturing & selling of Kabuki's Kadillac, the improvement being that the Ohio-made Kadillac now features knurling on its handles (though I thought Kabuki's powder coat sufficed). Apparently it's not a super aggressive knurl (more like that of a typical Rogue bar) and still has the same powder coat as the OG. $70 more than a base MG-4CN, but go with the Kadillac, yes?

Glad I didnt go with the mg-4c and ended up ordering the rogue version of the kadillac bar. The main reason I went for kadillac is that on paper it seems to provide wider handle positions

Hey Brandon been watching your videos for a while and with your ideas I welded and fabricated mostly all my own attachments for racks. Quick question regarding the CAMBER BAR would you consider this a good enough bar to do seal rows with ? As I purchased the same leg extension / leg curl from Williams strength and trying to have a Minimalice bar selection. Keep up the in-depth videos . Much appreciated

Seems like they typically do it wrong. I would wait at least a year before buying anything rogue releases. Especially if you have to wait a month or two anyways on their new releases. 1) the big rounded bar had flattened knurling and coating issues and bars coming out of tubes and getting messed up 2) ab3.0 had issues. Slippery pad, alignment issues, etc. 3) now this 4) slinger a bad design (still bad)

Cant blame you for feeling that way. I would have felt the same if i were in the same situation. It does seem like they didnt test the first one long

Great explanation. I’m glad they listened to your feedback at least. $900+ is a lot to pay to provide a company with R&D though. Oof

Reminds me a lot of what happened with Kabuki re-releasing the transformer bar. I may be remembering the timeline wrong because I’m still a bit salty, but I definitely remember it being less than a year after blowing near 700$ on the bar that a shiny, brand new, greatly improved version comes out of the blue.

Looking forward to your next new Rogue product website-only review --> "Why I'm waiting ..."

Agree, that was a dirty move from Rogue that shows sloppiness and lack of consideration for the consumer.

Brandon, if you imagine you had the new bar, would you prefer it over the Kadillac bar? Seems much more refined and won’t slice open your jaw with a false move.

For those who saw the specs of the first bar, were ok shelling out the cash for it knowing those specs, you got what you wanted. Definitely understand the disappointment though, Rogue absolutely needed more consumer input before putting it out. Who I feel worse for are those who purchased the bar who did not understand the specs but trusted the Rogue name. With that said, I feel it was the right choice for Rogue to quickfix the product to prevent more people from purchasing a bar that doesn't live up to its price tag.

It is good of them to address the criticisms but I understand your point

More interesting is Rogue is now manufacturing The Kabucki Kadillac Bar WITH KNURLING ( Original Kadillac had no knurl....)

Man oh man, I almost ordered the MG-4C last month. This one looks promising. (Alo, it's time to bust out the classic "Bar Don't Lie" v neck for the summer. )

Brandon I'd be mad too...not as bad a situation but I bought the Sorinex bulldog pad right when it came out and shortly after they added extra holes to it for a lever row attachment option. I was kinda bummed out I didn't wait

Hell yeah tell it like it is brother

Shoot sorry that happened for you and many others. If it helps anyone else I am really happy with the Elite FTS American Cambered Multigrip bar

Sounds like Rogue is going Rogue and offering options to early adopters to keep everyone happy. Even if reach arounds aren't on the table, things like that make me proud to be a customer.

it was obviously too wide for most people. Bill is a solid stand up guy.

This is how I felt about the Rogue AB3.0 when all of a sudden there was a better pad. I'm like, "ok why wasn't this offered the first time?" lol

You should take a look at kingsbox, its an italian company but they do test a lot of stuff and they keep adding pretty cool new stuff every single month.

SO DIRTY! If this had been a 18 months or a year later, then sure I get it. BUUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT, at that price tag and the quick turn around, they have some "SPLAINING to DO"

People were beta testers while Rogue got paid. Similar to how most video games are now, usually alpha testers (obv. $60 vs $425 difference)

Rogue also should have shortened the length of the handle -1 1/2” to 39 1/2” long. They would have sold a ton of them to REP rack owners. The 41” length was the main reason I didn’t buy one.

I really like these barbells when dbs get heavy.

This is $225 on rogues site for November at the moment. Its an Amazing deal, and I'm spreading the word 😂 that included the stainless steel optopm originally but they sold out and moved those resources to move the mg4-C non narrow version

First the CB-4 and now this.

Sorry, that is brutal for the early adopters. Reminds me of when I bought the Rogue Monster bench 1.0 with fat pad. Alot of people, including myself thought the bench was great but a little too tall. Right after I bought the bench they came out with short legs for the bench. I contacted Rogue to see if I could get the short legs (swap mine out or buy them). Their initial response was they would sell me just the short legs for the bench for the exact same price it would cost me to buy the entire bench again! For a company that usually has good customer service I still can't believe they gave me that option and would not even consider selling me the short legs cheaper than an entire new bench nor letting me swap my bench out that I just bought.

All I can say is I love my Elite FTS American Cambered Bar which I picked up on sale for $150 less than the Rogue

Well hotdam. I said it was not worth it from the get go but now….crap. I may have to splurge a little for my birthday or Christmas. Now THIS bar looks dam-good. Struck out with the first at-bat and hit a home run second time at the plate. Good job Rogue.

You mentioned how titan has quality control issues. I chose to spend extra money on the SSB Yoke Instead of the titan clone when it first came out. Maybe my biggest mistake as a home gym owner.

I don't think it needs a lot of criticism. You call them "nitpicks" yourself, that the width didn't really cause issues for you, and describe the bar as "nice but overpriced" in the initial review. It's not like the Titan SSB v1 where they release a complete garbage product. I don't think the original bar needs heavy criticism. It was a decent piece of equipment that could have been done a bit better. And I don't think implementing changes based on customer feedback needs criticism. Or doing it quickly.

shows how good the Kaddilar bar is and was originally. they are still chasing Kubuki.

Bought an echo bike about 2 years ago. I keep it indoors and is already rusted in different places. I don’t live by the ocean.

Super lame. This is how I felt with the timing strategy they used when they released the slinger solo pulley a few weeks before the lat seat, low row kit and later, the swivel pulley. Glad they fixed the issues with the camber bar, sucks that the early adopters foot the bill.

I'm pissed they didn't take this opportunity to adjust the width so it could fit on a Rep fitness rack. 1 inch shorter wouldn't of hurt them. Just help sell more bars to a bigger base

There should be an exchange program for a minimal cost, ie. Shipping.

A shot to the foot by rogue and by foot I mean the customers foot.

Rogue: American made, but PROFIT driven.

BS the way they did this! Makes me wonder if the extra competition from others (like Rep with their recent innovations and other companies) is pushing them to rush products to market with less time testing and receiving feedback from community. Personally, I think they should offer a swap program for frame and handles.

Firearms manufactures do that alot. I never buy a gen I pistol, let the 1st buyers find all the bugs and then I buy Gen II or Gen III.

Yo what's up bro!

Where to do we sign to get a class action lawsuit going? 😅

I guess I am not the target audience for it. I guess you can super personalize the grip width but the EliteFTS American camber bar widths are at good intervals for me and it was much less than this.

The gym bros are gonna have to learn the hard lesson that gamers have dealt with forever. Never pre-order this stuff or buy it on the first batch because they’ll always be working out the kinks.

I’ll see you the same thing now as I did in your original review it’s too expensive they charge you more to do less actual manufacturing and pay less in shipping.

I can’t really understand why they’ve brought this bar out anyway, I had an email from Kabuki saying they will be manufacturing and selling the Kadillac bar! 🤔

Yep. Good ole kabuki

When they making tricep bar made the same way?

Wow. I would be pissed if I'd bought the 1st version. New one looks good, but damn... that's a lot of money to spend to 2 months later have an inferior product. I think you're right, Brandon. They might have rushed the 1st one out without much testing.

It's even worse. On Rogue's "new" products page the original version is no where to be seen. It's now on page 5 when it should still be on page 1 if they really are sorted by "newest"....

Sorry Brandon... 😿 Hopefully they will make it up next time and give you there next product to test that's in your wheelhouse ...

Unbelievable…I own the exact same bar as you….absolutely frustrating that they come with an improved bar so shortly. They could have sent you a bar prior to released and that would have fix most of the issues. In the end they probably dont give a damn because they are so big. I am seriously losing interest in that company, this is irrespecful…

They didn’t test the “e-coat” in my opinion.

Thats an expensive rough draft. They just made it that much easier for someone else to come in and get it right from the jump with a lower price point.

Well shit now I might buy one 🤔😂

This is what's about to happen with their Adjustable Bench 3.0. They rushed it to market with subtle design flaws that should have absolutely not existed and quickly began working on what obviously appears to be a revision, under the name Manta Ray. Eliminating the two piece spine connection and metal-to-metal contact points appear to be the main improvements. We'll see if they change it up anymore than that, but given their current bench line, I can't imagine what else they could logically introduce under this configuration and at this point in time without making the new-ish 3.0 a completely irrelevant consideration for new buyers. For current owners, we're stuck with the design mistakes that are only highlighted with the upcoming Manta Ray.

I understand your pain and would be pissed, but I was mostly distracted by the $900 price tag??? I stay away from Kabuki because of their ridiculous price tag.

looks like they revised this rogue MG4CN again 2 days ago lol

Guess this is what happens when the rest of the competition steps up their game... Rogue decides to release something sooner than they should... Rep seems to be taking their time.

Thanks Rogue! Good to see they're watching our reviews 😪

So…. Did are you gunna flog off the Kabuki and the MG4C and order this 😅?

Unfortunate for garage gym folk, but I do think the original release is better suited for strongman applications so I don't think the Narrow grip is redundant per se. Nonetheless, poor information/marketing presentation by Rogue. Given the time between the releases, I'm skeptical the narrow grip was a reaction to the market feedback from the first one, I'd think product development/manufacturing would take a bit longer, but what do I know.

Do you still have the Archon?

I bought the kadilac bar, did not feel good to me so I sold it

Yeah the bar looked way too wide when I first saw it shown on their website. Sorry you were the guinea pig. Perhaps they will release the thicker handles for the wide version.

Well im happy I didnt buy the bar. Having the kadillac bar I still don't see myself upgrading.

Just ordered a Kadillac Bar from Rogue. It has knurled handles. Not sure why someone would buy the Rogue bar.

here’s my comment I think everyone that bought that bar before the second one came out should be able to send it back and re-purchase the second bar with like a 75% discount and then they could take all the bars that were sent back and put them in the boneyard on sale and recoup some of their money because if they do it that way they’re really not losing out on money and they’re making a little extra because they got the original purchase price along with the partial purchase price of the new bar plus the purchase price of the boneyard bar now my math may be wrong🤣 but seems legit to me and if it was my company I owned enough stock in it I do my best to make that happen

Order 66

Rogue is great, most of my gym equipment is from them, but they are not perfect. I feel like they focus a lot on quality (yes) but too much on overbuilding. Some things are overbuilt to the point that it hinders use. Their incline bench is one. The thing weights a ton, can lift a full size family on it, but it barely has any settings. The belt squat has bigger pins to hold the handles than the tractors and cranes at work. It's cool but kinda pointless.

Good things come to those who wait 😂

This was just a very expensive bar in my opinion that was released too quick, they used everyone to Beta test it and now they made the changes and I’d be surprised if they apologize. Rogue has grown so fast and in my experience, quality control has suffered with that growth. I have the Elite FTS American Cambered bar so I wasn’t interested in this one, but Rogue needs to keep up with Rep so I’m sure it won’t be the only release of an inferior product. I hope they learn a valuable lesson from this and do a better job of testing before releasing to the public in the future.

Maybe Rogue did test the bar, but probably not with the right people. Should of invited the “right” people, make note of whatever the most common issues were, modify. Then repeat until it’s polished. If secrecy were a concern. They’re always the use of NDAs.

this is the reason why i never jump on a new release

This is like Sony releasing the PS4 and few years later ...releases a slim version lol

Wider bar always on sale ----

Rogue screwed me over on my first ever purchase from them long ago. Haven’t bought from them since and never plan to. To each their own but rogue just is not a company I choose to support.

You knew the specs prior to purchase and you bought it anyway. Surely you, the self-proclaimed equipment expert, knew that a narrower bar would balance better. It's not like slim football bars are a new thing.

My wife was against the purchase. Now i had to block your channel on her phone so she doesn't find out she was right...

How dare they take feedback and make improvements to their design.

Sorry man, I stopped buying v1 of new release specialty products for a reason like this.