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Also dont forget the most important glyph! The one that lets you sprint on water!

Hey WilliE love your consistent effort to bring us quality content over the last few years. Can't wait to see the classes I play on this series!

Seeing the progress of your editing skills since the original Classic class videos until now has been a treat. Great work as always!!

Apsolutely love this series - can always see how much effort has gone into each video! fantastic!

Can’t believe I’ve been watching you since classic and now wrath. Keep up the good job WillE

"If you like to pop real life consumables if you know what I mean"... This got me way more than it should have. gg

Great video ! I will say in TBC we had a nature dmg build rouge who killed people with crazy poison dmg!

Thank you so much Will, this video has made me so excited for the game, something which I haven't had for years! Great video with very fine detail! Cheers mate, you got a new sub and I look forward to new videos!

loving this series, tho you started with the 2 classes that i dont play!. i remember everything about the demon from wrath and still, im looking forwards for that video. keep the good work!

These vids are great, watching all of them while i wait for hunter guide to come out

Great video mate. Ill be maining a rogue in wrath and found this very helpful. Cheers

Ulduar tier 4-set-bonus is actually making Rupture ticks to crit, making it actually worth to use. That setbonus got changed later in some expansion where most dots became able to crit in baseline, and isn't archieved properly.

Here's the macro to cancel the threat transfer from tricks of the trade when you're using it on someone for the DPS increase. /run local p="player" for i=1,40 do if(select(11,UnitBuff(p,i))==59628)then CancelUnitBuff(p,i)end end /cast [@recipientname] Tricks of the Trade

Another amazing vid from my favorite WoW content creator. Thanks for all the videos that keep us all informed and entertained

Great video Will! The new intro is awesome! Really really well done. Just got my rogue to 70 that will be my main for the remainder of TBC and in Wrath as well. How did you know I popped irl consumables during raid? 🤣

Love the advertisement in the "The Rogue" chapter :D Baited me for sure xD Nice video - I guess - haven't even watched the first 5mins so far :>

As someone who mained rogue in wrath through to realm first 25lk, I can 10000% confirm that assassination is the IRL consumable spec. Such a simple rotation but actually feels fun

Waiting patiently while checking once an hour for the new videos in this series

Alliance T9 Rogue set is one of my all-time favorite looks!

The main reason why the rogue was really strong in hardmode progression back then was the mix of S-tier damage and extremely low damage taken values. Feint is the real deal. It makes a big difference when you are really high in damage, even #1 in some cases, and at the same time have 90% less damage taken than the rest of the raid. It's quite possible to get 100% feint uptime as an assa rogue, at the cost of a few dps of course... but hardly worth mentioning. if you don't spam a feint, you are of course always #1 :)

Oh mate, Cold Blood Envenoms used to shred plate classes. I loved playing that😂

The assassination pvp spec was preferred for RLS back in the day, can actually see it quite a bit in MLG tourneys here on KZfaq. have no clue how that stacks up with current knowledge of the game as I don’t pay attention to private servers.

I will never forget all my vault raids and the moment we full up I'd start whispering the other rogues to trade tricks.

Getting kill me please on combat back as the ability you actually choose should be fun. I remember using it in Cata to kill someone trying to fly away on a mount chasing them through the air until it dismounts them, then using the legendary dagger effect to save myself with the slowfall as they fell to their death over SW.

Love the vids! I’m gonna be rolling mage in wrath. When you do your mage video can you talk about if its possible to main fire spec from the start or are you just never gonna get a raid/dungeon invite cause your not “meta” and starting as arcane

The production quality in this is immense

I've been experimenting with Mutilate spec while leveling my rogue in TBC and honestly I think it has potential. Envenom is doing crazy damage and is a huge portion when I kill a target. I feel like there's a disconnect between your points of "Now poisons will actually do damage" and "Now envenom won't remove your poisons and kill your dps". Otherwise solid video.

These WoW content videos need some more credit. 🙏😎

Hey WillE, can I ask - Where did you get that talent tree specialization for combat rogue? I am trying to find the most optimal talent tree specialization. Was wondering if there is a way to find top parsers talent tree if there is a website or something?

i love these! thank you wille

I have 2 rogues in tbc because I strictly arena on them both for fun. I plan on playing in wrath but unsure which to main. I have a night elf and a human. I know nelf has been primarily troll but I wanna know if for double dps.. would it be better than human. If shadowmeld drops combat can I macro it to stealth in wotlk for a free vanish? Or would overall human be better?

Guys if you go for PVE Rogue-COMBAT in WOTLK classic for Alliance side bis endgame is wotlk race is Nightelf (Increased Agillity-the most important stats,you have Shadowmeld racial+vanish so you can use extra potion of speed on long fight durations like Lich King 25 HC fight and Halion),For the Horde side its really similar if you go for max stats build ORC is the best burst DPS for Rogue but this is so important ive been testing a lot of years and seems like Troll is BIS for endgame content,Berserking racial is really important the more haste u have more energy you gain and ofc for the long fight durations are the most important thing about the trolls berserking makes the difference on the DPS,this is all min max combarable things , the thing is to know your class how to manage cds and rotations ,you can also play in alliance Human as well im not saying its big difference but Nightelfs are bis for endgame also the same situation in the horde side ofc you can go ORC.I prefer this to the PVE players that are going to play hard and really competetive endgame content for WOTLK CLASSIC. Professions for MAX PVE PERFORMANCE:(you can go JWC+ENGI the most played combo or you can go TAILOR+ENGI combo a lot of HC endgame players prefer the tailoring back enchant 400 attack power proc, it really makes the difference between the burst of an JWC+ENGI and TAIL+ENGI rogue,As i mentioned before this is all small things when you assume all things Rogue combat is really RNG class in WOTLK)You can check guides for Combat Rogues there is Rupture and there is Eviscerate builds all depends what style you want to play.(Eviscerate is easier build for endgame and can make really big numbers,Rupture is kinda RNG you add + one spell to track on the rotation so it makes a bit difference and harder to play but also makes huge single target dmg,make sure you select the proper Glyphs for each spec.) I hope this will help to the players who are about to play WOTLK CLASSIC ROGUES.

Not even gonna play wotlk classic, but this was a very amusing video. thanks!

Thank you Wille love your content

I've been waiting a long time for this one

I’ve got my combat rogue and my sub rogue looking forward to some LK shenanigans. I ran my combat rogue as assassin spec for about a month, since I had better daggers than swords, it was pretty lousy though. Looking forward to it being a viable spec.

Surprised you didn't mention tricks of the trade snapshotting. Huge for affliction locks on the opener

Even though I always end up maining heals, I have a huge soft spot for stealth classes. Since apparently I'm playing WotLK Classic now, instead of going back to my usual and rolling a paly healer, I'm running with rogue this time. It's the class I started with in TBC when I first played WoW, and I've missed it.

So excited for rogue in Wrath! Picking it up in TBC was a lot of fun, I’m glad the other specializations are starting to become more viable as well

was a warrior main in wotlk but leveled up a rogue never once did i think it was a waste my favorite was the Professor Putricide fight in icc just for the part where you can vanish (and mages could blink through) his raid wide stun and go off on him. (hope warrior vid is next)

Man listen, when I played Wrath on release, I finally switched from War\Priest in 2s to Rogue\Priest and got to 1800 in 2 weeks and 2k in 4 weeks lol, good times

Great editing WillE!! Really proud to see the progress on your channel so quickly. Love these series, keep it up!

Hey WillE, should I level up a new character now or in the Pre Patch?

So is combat daggers still viable in wrath? I used it in phase 1 and 2 and out dps every rogue i raided or ran dungeons with. It always seems combat daggers is left out but is still really good early expac.

You can tricks someone giving them the dmg buff then cancel the threat transfer buff off yourself. They get the full buff and you only transfer threat from that 1 auto.

I remember playing my alt rogue in ICC and facerolling at the top of meter.

Im basically undecided if i wanna play pala or shaman, looking forward to your input :D

i seem to remember hunger for blood only working off your bleed and stacking 3 times for a total of 15% so if u accidentally let rupture fall off the target u would lose the buff and since it has a 30 second cd it takes 1:30 to stack it back again

I always liked the fantasy of being an assassin since the game I played before wow was Ragnarok Online and played a thief and later an assassin, even If I began to play on TBC I played that tree.

I appreciate that you never mentioned sub having any niche in pve whatsoever, since it's still beyond trash there finally someone who isn't calling assassination a meme spec

There goes my mace spec dwarf. No more constant stuns, on top of the. Constant stuns from spells, haha.. now it's armor breaking.

This is some nice quality

A little info you missed with tricks of the trade, you can cast the ability and then click the threat generating buff off yourself while the target keeps the damage buff.

I am playing, like 15 years ago, only Rogue as Main through all addons. :)

Great video! But, how u can equip axes?! I cant learn that in wotlk classic ...

I mained a rogue during wotlk and for years after that and I can confirm that I was popping real life consumables for a long time

The assassination changes are super tempting for me to roll in the fresh server

Rogue is the only class I haven't leveled yet in the game so far, guess I'll be in for a treat when I get that urge to go level again in Wrath! Thanks again for the info!

Huhu do assasination Rouges share gear (daggers) with subtlety? So that you could enjoy both a little bit of both PVP and PVE instead of for example if you play combat and have to farm two complete sets of weapon?

when giving out tricks for dps (which tbf should always be the case, tricksing tank is just a waste) best targets are aff locks and shadow priests since they can roll the 15% dmg increase on corruption/swp

The beauty of Tricks of the Trade is that the Rogue can decide to cancel the aura that gives threat to the ability. So I can decide to regular Tricks the Trade my tank and have him jump up in threat, or Tricks a dps and immediately cancel the buff that increases threat(but they still maintain the dmg buff). OR!!!!!! I take bids for what dps wants to buy my tricks. ...just sayin Edit/PS: Combat Rogue BiS Ulduar through ICC... I'll eat crow if not :)

Thank you for the comprehensive video! I was thinking about rerolling from Hunter to Rogue for WOTLK and now I'm certain :)

i´ve gotta say, for pvp at least my experience, you always went Muti/prep build i dont remember exactly the point distribution but it was around 46/3/22 to get obviously mutilate and preparation, and god it was so fucking good

Rogues using axes is massive making Orc Combat Rogue bis in PvE late game (ICC)

Dang epic animation!

Speed running you could try the 3 rogues always empowering a tank. Shouldn't ever need to worry about threat then

Raid geared combat rogues in pvp during the last tier are just insane. Can cheap shot, expose armor and killing spree and almost anything will die with no further input

If I remember correctly, mutilate/prep was the wotlk pvp spec, no ?

That T9 for Human Rogue is well... BOOBA

Hi, does anyone know when the pre-patch releases, please...?

So excited for this expansion because I literally played every single PTR patch there was and I know how buggy this game was at the launch and if they don’t fix the rogues and the mages and the death knights it is going to be a complete hellfire

As a rogue you need that dalaran mammoth ,then you will allways be in ogrimar skinning people

This was the last current xpac I actually played, and even then I only started after ICC came out lol As others said Assassination was definitely viable in pvp, I don't think I ever touched sub and had a pretty good time in 2s with a ret pally (probably capped out around 2.3-2.4k). I ended up making a dozen or so fraps videos with my buddy on ventrillo I revisit every few years to remember the good times

You're great!

I remember playing a Rogue the first time back in WOTLK when I started with WoW. Died like all the time till level 10.

15:20 talking about assassination rogue while showing combat gameplay?

Working on 2 rogues. One Combat, One Sub will switch to sin in wrath. I love rogue so much I've stopped playing my main Feral Druid. Pick Pocket XD

i like how he said assassination is useless :( but i have been maining it throughout tbc

1. Threat in wotk wasnt an issue as long as your tank was at least semi competent 2. Rogues would usually ToTT each other, if there was only one rogue you would get spammed by all dps classes for TOTT 3. vigor was pretty bad as a talent unless you were bad at managing energy. if that was the case you were just better off rolling arcane mage and press two buttons 4. vigor worked with vanish, and vanish as a skill was more often than not an offensive skill (gives immunity for around a second after use and lets you ignore certain mechanics that are supposed to kill or stun you - eg. putricide fight) 5. Combat pulls ahead of assassination only once you get enough ARP, otherwise for most of the expansion assassination was slightly better 6. Conqueror's 1st bonus was super jacked for assasination, and it was BIS-ish to mix it in with t9, then t10 was super good. 13% 3CP was basically meant 0,45 CP each time you do a finishing move so that promoted finishing with 4 whenever you landed on it instead of going to 5cp before finishing. 7. Rogues were really good throughout the wotlk Also they need to bring elitist jerks back for wotlk remake ;) edit: and remember to be IMBA ;)

I Played Rogue in Wrath and your expectations for Assassination in raids is pretty much spot on from what i remember. we had 3 rogues in our ICC HC 25 team, 2 combat rogues and me, They would beat me on cleave ofc. but my ST damage was insane (kept up with a fire mage who was insanely geared) I think my plan is the same this time around :D

Please do Warlock next!

15:35 okay okay, you don't have to call me out so hard.

does Blade Flurry stack with Fan of Knives?

been debating to come back just to play this class in pve - Ulduar GANG

Best wow content creator, period. Every video is hit out of the park.

Which spec for leveling ?

WillE is the gold standard for WoW content creation

Cant wait for Wrath now, TBC has been tough for rogues and the constant negativity from other classes made maining one a bit of a chore.

I actually had a rogue alt in wotlk. It was fun, I got around 2,2k in arena and had fun in raids. What I did not have fun with was the grind for the FUCKING ICC ARPEN TRINKET... fuck that shit.

Tbh that assa spec you showed really isn't that great before ToC. Even up till late Ulduar using the envenom spec does alot more damage than actually using Rupture. You basicly go 51 Assa, 13 combat and 7 sub going 5x relentless strikes and 2x opportunity. All you do is keep up SnD, HFB, spam Mutliate and use Envenom on 4-5 combat points. It's so simple, but generates so much energy and allows you to keep on Envenom buff almost 100%.

Do Priest next :)

Was top 10 mutilate rogue in p3 and p4 world wide hoping dagger from kj drop so i can parse again

I'm so glad WoWlogs changed ToT. Imagine how bad parsing would be if you chained one person ToT like so many people will. Now the dmg from ToT is put on the rogues.

wait wait wait, haste increases energy regen in tbc? how so?

there has to be a good sword assassins build. just skip mutilate and use envenom with swords

Are axes really that good for rogue?

maaan classes all around in wOTLK all got so much better

So... i made a Nelf rogue a few months back that im wanting to go back to. How fucked am i for not being human?

do shaman next good sir