That is true...but i have Fantom, System 8 , Juno X , Jupiter X and Gaia 2 . Something tells me that this would be pointless for me. And also paid already for the N Zyme....😉😉 ( but i did it anyway )

@@TheBebe666 It would be a downgrade for you.

@@ChrisP3000x Not really , but only a convenience if i don´t want to turn on anything but Fantom. I will still keep all my hardware anyway. And piano upgrade is excellent.

@@TheBebe666 If you don't care about polyphony, layering, knob per function, etc,....then yes.

@@ChrisP3000x As i wrote i have other Synths so i am covered very well regarding everything but sometimes i just want to turn on one for fun time. Sometimes it is Fantom, Montage or PA5X. Only then i do not care about anything...almost. 😄

Great positive attitude but 10% of the original outlay is a not funny joke

I’d like to see a good O series update like this, but honestly, how much can Roland really give to the O series considering the major memory differences? The SN Pianos are already a lighter version compared to the big Fantom.

Technically not possible. 1 board not 2. It's why its less than half the price.

There should be discounts for people who already bought n/zyme and/or jd-800.

Buyers of N Zyme will be emailed by Roland with discount codes. How much...i don’t know.

Jupiter 8

Dont think people will be mad to purchase the upgrade, I'm mad that n/zyme comes with it. N/zyme cost 75% of that by itself. Why can't I purchase the rest for cheaper.

@@fishgutt242 they just released that people who bought nzyme can purchase the update for 99 bucks

Technically I am sure it would be possible as they seem mostly to be parameter mappings. No idea why Roland doesn’t do it. Maybe too much effort or the MC-707 does not have enough memory to accommodate this.

Roland anonunced that discount codes will be emailed to N Zyme buyers. For me is too late but i hope i might get discount for something else.b

Update...i have just god half of the amount back from Roland because i have also bought N Zyme just month ago. Really nice move from Roland

I wonder if every model adds its own polyphony to the ensemble????? so could help global polyphony pb ???

I wish they did . I bought a fantom a month ago, it's a great machine, but the polyphony problem is a MASSIVE let down for me. I get voice cuts with three or four layers within like 8-10 notes sustained. They really manipulated the 256 polyphony claim.

​@biggiesmalls7939 did you do that 3.02 update?

I'm the opposite; not having to bring a computer to a live setting is great; I recently got the Arturia AstroLab so I can load my V Collection and Pigments into it, and leave the computer at home. The Fantom EX is the best at what it does that's available today w/o needing a computer IMO - which for me is having a solid catalog of Roland synths and sounds in a workstation. FWIW, I also have a Nektar Panorama P6 I use with Omnisphere 2.8, so I will bring a computer if I need it.

@@zoomzoom3950 Thats Great! Wow! I ve checked, great solution!

You only need to register that Fantom under your account. Delete what was inside previously and reinstall your EX again. I did that and it works. I had exchanghed my Fantom 8 for 6 because of lack of space and removed Fantom 8 from my account...registered 6 and reinstalled everything after removing what was in it.

I think everyone who already has those should open a ticket with Roland support to say that it is not good to do it that way. Maybe they will move if enough people complain.

At least if you buy a new one right now it def should be included.

Who told you that?

What makes you say that these upgrades should have been there at the beginning? These are substantial updates that go far beyond the original scope of the product you bought, and took time and money to create.

Vst! I see no reason to buy a 4k midi control! A laptop and midi controller can still do far more

Hi what is the actual UK price for this update, only I cant find it on Roland's own website

Considering the fantom doesn't know what account the usb drive got the expansions from, I can't see how that would be a problem.

@@biggiesmalls7939 let’s say the new buyer wants to add another expansion, he has to create his one RC account then buy it then link his RC account to his Fantom : he’ll have to reset the Fantom and he’ll lose the EX-upgrade or any expansion you sold it with. Also, some of the major firmware upgrades require resetting your system.

I bit the bullet and bought the update even though I own N/zyme already... The ACB patches they included have a little something that's hard to place, Best way to describe it is 'slightly wild' which is how an analogue synth should be. They really do sound lovely, BUT Keep in mind they will only be available in zone 1, so no layering multiple ACB patches, and no V Piano with it either.

@@AGB_2000 that sounds about right, but I guess maybe it needs more processing power than usual? I bought n/zyme too... the fact that the update isn't discounted or anything for people like us is pretty disappointing. I feel sorry for people that recently bought it only to have it bundled in this update.

@@AGB_2000 The processing power of the Fantom is just too weak, largely disappointing for a "flagship"

The ABM emulation which is already there sounds much worse than ACB. You can easily try yourself without paying anything, register for Roland Cloud 30 day demo. ABM emulation is in Zenology Pro (install model expansions) and ACB are standalone plugins. You hear the difference immediately. Also, contrary to ACB, the ABM emulation of Jupiter-8 can't do some things that the OG Jupiter 8 can (I think use sync and crossmod together) which is because the Zencore engine (which is basically an upgraded version of the engine they have been using since the JV-1080 engine.. ) can't do it.

@@mudi2000a Also, the new ACB Jupiter has velocity sensitivity over VCA and VCF, like the System 8. The ABM model does not.

it contains a lot of value, tbh, before, if you bought JD-800 and n/zyme expansion only, it would have cost already more than this. BUT I also think, if you buy a new Fantom now, it should be included.

Yamaha is no better, releasing a new keyboard for a AN1X expansion basically and making you buy the 88 key to get the polyphonic aftertouch that could easily be put on all their models but they do a money grubbing operation making many buy the 88 key version.

Both companies make excellent synths and workstations. I've had both and more since the 80s. However, the fact remains. If I purchase a product, I shouldn't be charged for updates that should have been there in the first place. I've never paid for montage upgrades or DSI..Oberheim.. Moog...Elektron. But Roland. £350 if you paid for N zyme first... Jokers but I'm not laughing to be mugged.

. @cds8137 What makes you say that these upgrades should have been there first? These are substantial updates that go far beyond the original scope of the product you bought, and took time and money to create.

@@defenderstargate1447 Roland had these ACB models already. They probably added them with a few mouse clicks. Nevertheless, it is Roland's prerogative to do as they wish. They ignored their customers for years who wanted a TB-303 or 808 drum machine until enough dedicated people out there reverse engineered it and showed it is feasible and even easy to do. Then Roland released a half-hearted digital boutique copy of their original great product. Strange company.

Fair price for this one. I am only bummed that previous purchasers of Nzyme don't get a discount.

yes, bought the upgrade last night. @@defenderstargate1447

It's excellent news they give the choice. Virtually we have a successor to the System 8 with better finish and keyboard. Would be cool if the Jupiter X/XM also benefited from ACB support.

ACB is a very good analog emulation and sound-wise far superior to ABM. Of course they should push it!

No it is not. But at same time it is not worse.

cheaper than getting a new board!

@@nonchai True, but no way it’s going to sound like the real Juno 8. Should be $50.00 at minimum. I paid over 3K for my Fantom which is a flagship product and should come included!!!!

@@Crookedletta601 Jupiter 8

@@TheBebe666 My bad, was all in my emotions 😂

ACB sounds better than ABM ... at the cost of polyphony and that you can have only 1 instance of that. Together with it being similar in the Montage M where you can load AN-X only on 1 slot, to me it shows how weak the processors on those synths are. If you load the ACB emulations on a computer you can run quite a number of them, even on a laptop.