Classic preceramic for me. More character, better proportions esp for smaller wrists, super comfortable, and under the radar Rolex goodness.

Absolutely love this comparison video, very informative, I love the videos that go over the older references, keep up the good work… Love from London💕

There is something so special about the 14060 , it’s just the one to have .

Excellent analysis. No cheesy music, just the facts. Very well done. I hit the subscribe button.

Thank you for the refresher , I have both but tend to wear my M as my daily , I have a little more wrist 7&1/4 and I can sleep with it on its so comfortable . Enjoy your day .

I just got my Sub41 a week ago. I absolutely love it! Great review!

Great review, thank you so much. I purchased 124060 Submariner for my newborn son and 124270 Explorer for myself. Both watches produced the same year. Someday this will be his two watch collection.

My boy got one of the dopest watch reviews in the game! That 14060m FIRE😎

I had both the modern ceramic and the pre ceramic and I think one of the biggest selling points for the pre ceramic was the versatility of the watch on a variety of straps. From nato to artem style sailcloth and even leather it’s a much more classic look with the slimmer case shape that lends itself to looking amazing on different combinations of straps. The older hollow end link hollow centre link bracelet is really lovely on the wrist but the modern clasp bracelet is a huge improvement over the older style folded metal version. Both great watches but for classic looks and versatility the 14060m for me.

I have the 14060M 4 liner which I love for its vintage air yet it’s modern movement. I love the lume and it’s overall aesthetics. I also have the 126610ln which has the tapered case which I feel is far neater than the blockier case of it’s predecessor. I love both watches for their different qualities- the modern sub date and the vintage style original sub. Congrats to you for a wonderfully balanced and informative video.

I have the 14060M and I'm curious about the new model - that's why I'm here! One often overlooked difference which is relevant for smaller wrist sizes (mine's 6.5" too) is the pre-ceramic bracelet can only go down to 5 links on the 6 o'clock side, whereas the ceramic models can have 4 links. This means the clasp sits in the middle of your wrist and not slightly off to one side. It's not a deal breaker, but it's something that bugs me slightly on the older model.

The exact video I was looking for.

I think the old 14060M was actually 39.5 MM and slightly smaller than the date version at the time. Thanks for the comparison video.

Useful video. Thanks I’m on the “list” at my two local ADs for a new sub no date. I figure the call should be coming in any decade now…ha

I loved my 16610 Sub but then I tried the 124270 Explorer. All the modern tech + the comfort of the old references.

Very nice comparison! I own the 114060 and the 16610ln and i actually think the aluminum insert of the pre-ceramic is even a bit flashier than the cerachrome insert with its platinum-filled indices. Well, perhaps not really 'flashier', but it has more contrast (between the black and the indices), let me put it that way. If that makes any sense. :) Idk, i love the 6-digit but recently i seem to gravitate more towards the classic Sub. Great channel btw!

Have a 1986 16800 bought new; very iconic and worn everyday since then.

I'm impressed with how in sync the two watched are... even the second hands aere almost in identical positions

Great video and thoughtful analysis. The M takes it for me. As for reliability it has the proven 3130 movement. There have been noted issues with the newer 32xx series movements namely low amplitude. Both is the obvious answer😅

Just a week ago I almost trade my all set box and papers 2009 aluminum no date M sub bought at an AD for the newest but earlier next generation no box & papers 2012 ceramic date sub version and had to pay $3,700 usd plus for it. I wanted to have the same version as my Sub Hulk. If I had gone through that deal and see this video today I will be regretting it for the rest of my life. Great video!

I like them both for different reasons. I own the 116610LN. Fantastic reference but it is a bit clunky. I really liked the 14060M at $3500-4000 when they were priced in the early days of 2010. Rolex does sometimes down size and go back to original case designs like they have with the Explorer 1 - 124270 which is a home run! Vintage size and feel with all the modern upgrades.

Awesome comparison! I got the 14060m a couple months ago for many of the reasons you stated. It's the perfect tool watch I don't need to be delicate with, while still feeling a bit vintage.

I bought a new M in 02. It was a spur of the moment purchase in the Bahamas. I could have waited a day longer and $500 more for the date sub but didn’t. For years I wished I did, but now I so appreciate my M! Great vid.

Great review!! I would chose the 14060m over the 41mm and the older 40mm. The M is truer to the submariner while the new one is more luxury. Also, if I were to drop the M the bezel insert my or may not get damaged. It it gets damaged it is cheaper to repair. If I drop the ceramic bezel it may shatter and is also more expensive to replace or repair. Also, because I have friends that own the 40mm version. One wears it to everything. Gym, work, hot tub, adventures and so forth. The bezel still looks new but I cannot say the same for the case. It is scratched and a small ding which to me is great but there is a bit of a mismatch. Especially if you look at from the side and then you see the bezel looking perfect just seems off. Case is lived in but the bezel still very sterile. That all being said I don’t think you can go wrong with either. Both can take a beating even those from the 90s with the caliber 3000. Wear both every day and they still will put survive/love you.

Like comparing a 993 and 991. Love the 5 digits era. Nice video !

The pre ceramic is more of a tool watch while the new sub looks like a jewelry. I’ll take the pre ceramic anytime.

I just like the understatedness of the 14060M it does not shout wearing your money on your sleeve.

I have the 126610 and I love it. Even though the 16610 might fit me better, I feel I'd be getting overall much less watch at its market price compared to the retail price I paid on the 126610.

I own a ‘96 14060 tritium. Glorious Rolex!

Great vid, I am looking at the 14060M and this vid has helped me decide, it is a better watch for me, thank you...

Superb video and dialog. We'll done

14060m is greater. I am not sure if the new one is more robust. The issue I have is the 40.5 mill but also the ceramic bezel. Had a couple of friends shatter the bezel on rough terrain. I remember the replacement he a bit expensive compared to the steal insert. Also, the steal insert may scratch but won’t shatter. I prefer the lighter bracelet but the glide lock on the new one is very nice. Which ever one you have, you are getting a great piece that should be worn daily. Get all the dents and scratches on them and give it life. To be transparent I have had my 14060m since 05. It has been everywhere with me and still keeping great time. I have only serviced it once this past year and it has been running like a champ. This watch has been through surfing, scuba diving, snorkeling, climbing, working out at the gym and still is a beast. If you chose a 14060m even today pre-owned you are getting a tank.

Love both, but just brought the 14060M a 2001 model as its my daughters birth year (and i will hand over to her in a decade or maybe her 30th. I have in my collection a JC DSD a 2022 batman on jubilee and a pepsi on oyster plus a 42mm Tudor Pelagos ...so this semi vintage sub attracted me with the clean 2 line text the case size being retro but with a fairly modern internal. I like the fact it has the old clasp, although not as well made as my DSD clasp.

This is a great video!!

I have a 14060M and I love it but I just can’t seem to get the sizing right due to the 5 links at 6 O’Clock. I do not want to have to remove 1 permanently. So I am now looking into a 124060. Thanks for the good video

Thank you insightful video! If you could have only one which one would you choose from aesthetic perspective not technically speaking and why. Thanks in advance

How do you think the older ref 14060M compares to the Tudor bb58 in terms of size and fit etc, as there seems to be a lot of design q’s coming from that piece, I’d be interested to see a comparison of the two, especially as the Tudor is much easier to get hold of too.

I love my 41 Rolex submariner it’s my favorite watch to to wear 😊

I like much more the older one. Had a maxi case sub… I never get used to it…

The old one looks perfect and very elegant and it has that classic Rolex look. MUCH better looking. New ones have very "Breitling Superocean"-like cases and crown guards. Don't like them at all.

The 14060 is a really cool watch that many would love to have in their collection. The problem I see is that you have to pay almost 13,000 for a good one with box and papers. And then when you wear the watch on your wrist, it feels a far cry from that price point. If you were lucky enough to get a 14060 at normal prices, then yes, otherwise no.

I'm planning on the ceramic, because of the glide lock clasp. Once you experience the comfort of fly micro adjust, it's hard to go back.

I had a 5513, never bothered with the later watches. The new one is the one Rolex should have made ages ago. Leaves the old one in the dust. You need to have the wrist for it though which the youtuber doesn't have.

I say I don't hate the ceramic at all but I love the pre ceramic Submariner. They have that legendary Rolex Submariner style. And yes I do own a Submariner 14060m from 2003. I even love the super comfortable folded end link bracelet

Best comparison having the boxy “Maxi Case” mistake skipped 👍🏽. Beat of both worlds 41mm and pre-ceramic

I have the 16610. I really think the preceramic has better contrast. The ceramic is somewhat too shiny looking. I tried to talk myself into the new 41 sub but everytime I go and look at one I still walk away feeling more authentic with my preceramic.

Love the older subs but they go for $10k to $13k and thats just crazy for an old sub…might as well get a new one

I have a 2010 14060m 4 liner and a 2018 114060. Both purchased new from AD. I've never worn the 114060 and don't intend to. It does nothing for me. Considering trading the 114060 in for a new 124060 but afraid I will feel the same way about that watch.

dope watch how much is the 2022 submarina retail if you can get one?

Between the 14060m and the Explorer 124270, which do you prefer?

How about a comparison between your seamaster and your subs

Helpful review, however you're using the word "predecessor" incorrectly. The 14060M is not the "predecessor" but, rather, the 'successor', to the 14060; and, the 14060 is not the "predecessor" but, rather, the 'successor' to the 5513. On the other hand, the 5513 is the 'predecessor' to the 14060, and the latter is the 'predecessor' to the 14060M. For future reference, 'predecessor' means 'came before'; successor means succeeded or 'came after'.

Vintage for the win!

Good review. If you had a choice, which one would you pick, 124060 or 126610LV (Starbucks)?

The M is the two liner ;) the other ones have more lines

rolex really ruined all their new watches lol. saw my first 14060 in person the other day as well as a same era explorer II (black dial) and I was blown away by how much better those watches look in comparison to their current references.

It's the 14060m for me any day. I find the newer Subs just far too 'flashy' for my taste. If I'm buying a dive watch, even a Rolex, then I'm not going diving with it but I definitely want to wear it a lot and not feel too precious about it. The pre-ceramic just has such a classic look to it, I absolutely love it.

For those of you on the fence between a 14060 and a 14060m, I can confirm (as an owner) that the 14060 keeps incredible time even though it’s 3000 calibre movement is not “superlative chronometer” certified. I don’t think it’s worth it to spend extra money to get the “m” as you’ll be more than satisfied with the 3000 calibre work horse movement and it’s +\- 2 seconds a day. Additionally, all 14060’s have two lines of text on the dial whereas “m’s” often have four lines of text, which ruins the perfect symmetry the 14060 is known for.

i would choose the 14060 40 mm

Love my M

The 14060 which you have here ran from 1990-2010. The 114060 (2010-2020) is the maxi or super case. Distinguishable by chunky lugs and a hefty square look. Maybe people on the less knowledgeable forums call these out as fakes cause they don't look quite right. The 124060 (2020-present) which you also have is the 41mm case, and back to the narrower looking lugs.

The 124060 for me.

M is the GOAT. Rolex won't remake it.

The 5 digit would be better if it was half the price. Too much for what it is, might as well buy a new one

I think both are great watches, and both are flashy. I bought 41mm because it’s my son’s birth year watch. For myself I bought the Tudor BB 58. Another great watch.

The current market price for the 14060m cannot justify hollow endlinks and stamped clasp for me... overall just feel cheap compared to modern Rolex, heck even the much cheaper BB58 feels better made on the wrist.

The 14060 looks better but that clasp transition looks horrendous lol

Who’s the luckiest guy ever??? Me…. I got mine for 3k back in 05’!!! My 16 year old son will love it when it’s his turn…

14060M for me by a mile. More like the original

Unfortunately I need the 70hr power reserve, glide lock, chronolight...

I just bought a 41mm clone as a travel watch now that my 2006 14060M was increased in value over the years and I don't want to be wearing it in Italy in particular. While I have a relatively smaller wrist size I think the clone may actually be more comfortable. So who knows, I may actually be putting my name on the list to get one of the latest model no date Submariners. Does that surprise me - yes ! ! !

The 41 is technically the much better watch.

Don’t think you know what “predecessor” means 😬

For a average wrist or bigger the newer style is much better Solid and beautiful I had all the 5 digit and 6 digit model subs Yes all of the styles, the sub 41 is hands 🙌 down the BEST

Eh go China buy la

Rolex Sub 41 wins hands down. People just like to be cool and say the opposite.

the ceramic bezel clicks are as trash as the watch itself

over priced junks now...

In Toronto canada I buy a super super clone I bring it to a rolex expert he say it was real rolex . Unbelievable. Your super clone look just like mine. You a expert but a regular person like me will never know. Imagine on NKUWAN