How can Gandhi Family manipulate Democracy.

Communist sympathisers and anti nationalist.. All Thapars genre are same ..sad to. Learn she devise the history curriculum in secular era ..All bogus

रोमिला थापर ने जो भारतीय इतिहास का गर्त किया है वो शायद ही किसी इतिहासकार ने किया होगा..... .The trough of Indian history that Romila Thapar has done, hardly any historian would have done it.

Bad meets evil.

The Quality of this conversation is so high. We miss this, The main stream media has sunk so low. Arnab Zee India TV Aaj tak ABP news all of them watch them for 15 mins and the head start to pain watching them kiss govt ass. But after watching this I can say that i learned something new today.

Romilla Thapar is a joke. Gone are those when trust was merely based on reputation. Gone. So our up with it

Excellent discourse. Such intellectual healthy dialogues must be encouraged instead of diabolical TV debates which are not healthy but leaves the viewers baffled and totally confused rather than informed.

Really i like the below point 1.How many people ask the question what are you actually teaching the child. 2. We give the child information and expecting the child to repeat the information 3. where are we teaching the child to really ask question. We have objective type questions where there is no room to ask questions. 4. And if someone asks questions we tag them as anti-nationals. Really there is something wrong in the core.

The Wire should begin podcasts for those who would prefer just to hear such interviews while doing their other jobs. You could use SoundCloud and Apple Podcasts for this.

Romila Thapar should write a Book on how to “ How to Cook history “. Romila Thapar is classic example of pseudo intellectual. History, knowledge and information as per their perspective is correct .

Wonderful thought provoking to rediscover potential of public intellectuals in national patriotism and national development.Great session fromProf.Ramila about critical enquiry. Autonomy of University role making India. Thanks and regards V.Chandra Sekhara Rao

It's funny how Romila who was ordained by the politicians to distort history in her textbooks, thereby upending her credibility as an objective historian alongside Guha and Bipin Chandra is given the authority and clique to speak on any relevant matter of contemporary times

The Wire, I have two requests: a) Please get Professor Chomsky on for a freewheeling, wide-ranging interview on global issues. b) Enter the world of podcasting! (And please develop an RSS feed and, most crucially, an app.)

Why do they have a problem if I as a citizen of India voluntarily love my country, am a nationalist, a patriot, respect my army, proudly sing my national anthem? Nobody has asked me to do it, I am doing it because my motherland has a deep place in my heart. I reflect the sentiment of the masses of India and these kinds of discussions just show how disconnected these guys are from the pulse of the nation.

A fearless discussion in true sense. Most clear verbalisation of state of our present times. Must watch.

Thanks for the interview, but,Education has become a business Is it possible to come out this vicious circle ?

All must see this video to see exposed Romila by Rajiv Malhotra. Decolonizing Romila Thapar: Nation & Nationalism - 1/5

Try however one might, one can't refute, nor dismiss Prof. Thapar. She will always remain relevant.

Muslims and Christians have misused their minority rights in India. Minority appeasement was the failure of Congress. This was put by A. K Antony before Congress leaders after election. Hindu Kashmiri Pandits were driven out of Kashmiri valley by Muslims. Arundathi Roy who criticizes BJP is still living in India whereas Bangladeshi writer Taslima Nasreen has to be afraid of her life in India. India is way ahead of Pakistan and Bangladesh because of its secularism although it has 80% Hindus. Thus both sides have its share of problems

Siddartha Varadarajan is contributing to our collective consciousness in a very important way through The Wire . It is so vital in today’s times. We all should support such independent media.

Romilaji being an educator you have to agree it’s a two fold problem. You cannot shy away from the cohesion. If in the name of intectualism & critical thinking you also have to realize the mistakes you made in retrospect your western agenda of influence. Today BJP cannot be blamed for your mistakes. If you people really kept your eyes open then no country could have influenced agenda.

woah.. the way she unpacked nationalism

Thanks for getting interviews from intelligent people.. Kudos to thewire

Romila thapar's history and truth are just parallel lines

Worst scholars are those who go to rulers... Sarkari Maulanas should learn from Romila Ma'am who has refused to accept Padma Awards twice...

Great

We are questioning. We are questioning the likes of you, and getting no answers. What exactly are you teaching us? Whose propaganda are you selling to us? Who are your masters? Who funds you? These are pertinent questions.

lots of respect , Kudos to Madam

Thanks to Siddharha and Prof.Dr.Ramila for most important discussion of the day on75 years of Independence of India

I think Chomskian interpretation of an "intellectual" would be a little different from Romila Thapar's. Chomsky holds that the very word "intellectual" comes into play only when you have close relations with the Power. People who are not close to the Power don't get to hold the label of "intellectual"

Ma'am I have read all ur books....u r great ma'am....

well I suppose karan , romilla & Siddharth Varadarajan should form their own media house

Watching this in 2023 with the context of all that has happened in last 5 years

It's quite hypocritical and ironical on her part to now talk of Education. For decades, she and her likes, were in charge of creating text-books, but they did nothing about addressing the RW arguments(which prima facie, seem to be quite valid and stimulating), treating them with an unwarranted indifference and disdain. Now they(along with us) are suffering and bearing the results of that inaction, in the present rise of Hindu Nationalist Right Wing.

To all the people calling her names what makes you all experts on history?

How do you define the word intellectual person ? Any body who supports the Gandhi Family is intellectual ?? 😊😊 is it so.

Examination papers have the following printed on question papers. "Students must answer all questions" . What it should be is, "Students must question all the answers".

Critical Thinking = Criticize people where any form of conformity exist but don't do it if it is in the academia itself or only do it when academia gets the jolt by public collectively (Like the right-wing swing all over the world.) For a large time History was written in the form of meta-narrative & the modern departure is to divide it into 'Micro-History' & 'Macro-History'. Thus when the goal post keep changing in academia it is not hypocrisy but when historical texts provide the similar dilemma then 'Historical Narrative' given by 'Pundits of History' is the one to go with. What i heard - Historically things move from A to B to C & thus we are seeing A to B phase & there is a possibility of C phase but i am not sure. Basically keep picking the periods which support your arguments without providing proper contexts so that your point comes out on top of all other 'non-specialist' people about History because you are 'Pundit of History'. I love the honesty in the last 2-3 minutes of the video where she does questions the historical narrative that became the meta-narrative of India's history so i wish she will brings new perspective in her new books & all the best to her for future endeavors.

Intelligent debates in society are a privilege, the first set of priorities should be poverty alleviation. Romila Thapar seems so distant from the struggles the common man

Looks like a fraud even from her face.

Thanks, Siddhartha. You have brought the most complicated issues facing us in the right perspective. You have always broaden our understanding.

In Europe if someone doesn't know hibru language can't get a P.hd in history.But Romila thapar have a P.hd & she guide P.hd student In the field of ancient india's history even though she confessed that she doesn't know Sanskrit. If a historian can't read the available primary source which are in Sanskrit God knows how she became a historian What a irony 🤣🤣 Maculay putri Romila

She is a distorian not historian

5000yrs old... Aryans belonged to India... Never proved by historians... Aryans were outsiders... India has always been strengthened and added upon by "outsiders" who became "Indians"...

I love Prof. Thapar! She is so articulate! Thank you both

Two Foes of the Indian state on the same Platform. Romila Thapar should worry about what her Epitaph will be. She should be ashamed of her past and her deplorable actions in promoting British Imperialism and manipulating Indian history through academic subeterfuges. This guy Vardabhai was enrolled to clean up her reputation which was nothing short of toxic. What happened to her sense of critical inquiry when a temple was discovered under the Babri Masjid. She and her cohorts stood on their heads to conceal history to show that the Ram Temple under the Masjid was a figment of the Hindu imagination. Thank God for the BJP, RSS and other Dals that took her on. She talks a good game but she knows her time is up.

Romila thapar is one of greatest intellectual and her thinking is upto mark and point only those will understand her who have mind not the imitation of things

Thanks and regards Prof.Dr.Ramila madam for man making discussion.

As per the wire- 1. Congress is not involved in any curruption 2. Sonia gandhi never interfered in judiciary 3. Sonia gandhi didn't taught false history 4. Mughals weren't destroyed by marathas, delhi suktanate wasnt destroyed by rajputs 5. Islam enriched Indian culture😂😂😂😂😂lol what a joke😂😂😂😂 6. Islam spread by peace 7. Muslims of india converted for "spirituality" , not because they were shoodars and were ass slapped by brahmins for 5000 years 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

If there was written display of the speakers' speech on the screen it could be easily understood by looking only along with hearing . Thanks .

You were there for a long time. You could have asked these questions when Congress or Congress-Left combination ruled the country and promoted mediocre historians through back door. They first divided the the country in the communal line of religions, then raised pseudo intellectuals in the name of secularism. These pseudo intellectuals (mostly having hybrid family/ vested interest) distorted and destroyed the history of freedom movement of India. For sixty years out of seventy after independence this lobby was raised by the government at the Centre. These intellectuals do not want that Indians know their real glorious history.

Generalised discussion without touching any core problems. Using advanced vocabulary to project themselves has intellectuals and facade there alterior motives.

your British accent signifies how out of touch you are. Your party and the left had the control of this country till 2000s, and now you talk about education. You should have demanded primary education for all after independence irrespective of religion, caste and sex. So now this rising middle class is being radicalised and i hate that, but you all are to blame for. India should have liberalised much before 1991. This is the irony that the left invited the right in India. :(

Madam Prof.Ramila I read your books Freedom movement and Nehru.They are inspiring.

The Wire is the present and the future of journalism in India.

mam you are charming..

Interesting question and answer, which news ch

Thank you for this!

Thank you Madam for the enlightening thoughts. Am proud as a contemporary of people like you

INSIGHTFUL DISCUSSION

The Congress government has been the best apparently 😂

When hypocrisy has a face

many thanks Mr Siddhartha varatharajan

Before opening your mouth with hinduphobia and hindu hatred. Read and understand below. 1. Partition was agreed on the following conditions, pakistan will be the land for muslims and india will be land for the hindus. these were the agreed terms of partition. 2. The constitution of India did not use the word Secular , even the great ambedkar refused to allow Nehru to add the word secular, he said that hindus are already secular and the constitution already uphold the rights of minorities to pray and have minority schools, so there is no further protection needed for the minorities as the constitution already adequately protects the minorities who for whatever reasons could not go to pakistan or uk. 3. One needs to understand that even that land which was created as Pakistan is a hindu land before even islam was created, this land given to muslims is the most scared land of the hindus and sikhs, but the hindus gave it will fully to be able to live peacefully as hindus in India, we will not tolerate any additional interference or separatism or political hijack by minorities against the interest of hindus. 4. The muslims historically came to the land of hindus for refuge and shelter before they became invaders and conquerors. It should not be forgotten the family & companions of the prophets mohd's grandson received shelter in the land by hindu kings when they were being persecuted in arabia. 5. The congress govt teaches us wrong history & now there is an organized effort to call kashmir is not part of India this is being done in a systematic way by congress party & communists in India. nobody should forget that , the partition of India & pakistan happened based on religion, after 90% muslims voted for creating Pakistan this is historical facts, that Pakistan was made for muslims, & India for hindus. Now the hindu majority, being tolerant agreed to give rights of religious freedom to the minorities but they did not agree for secular constitution, infact it was ambedkar who severely opposed to add the word secular in the constitution, this is because the hindu culture is inherently is secular. But in 1971 during emergency, Indira Gandhi (Nehrus daughter) corrupted the constitution, by forcefully adding the word secular without regard for majority votes in the parliament to pass this in a democratic manner. Meanwhile Nehru also did corrupt the constitution by adding anti hindu or anti majority clauses in the constitution without majority vote, which means the constitution was violated & needs to be corrected. Nobody was informed in the parliament that the article 35A was secretly added by Nehru family, it was only when one indian visited pakistan there he learned from pakistan about article 35A which he came and shred with indians, since then the 35A was being challenged, there is no auditable record to know who added this clause secretly int he constitution illegally. Partition of India Pakistan does not take into account many facts, 6. The british created fake partitions, keeping 30% seat reservation for muslims, bribed a pork eating, alcohol drinking Jinnah and beef eating Nehru to partition India, using the psyche of muslims when 90% Indian muslims voted to create Pakistan. The British had already planned partition of India soon after 1857, created muslim league themselves in 1906, with agenda to be loyal to the British crown. 7. Pakistan was created british using fake elections, even the hard core muslim mullahs did not want separate pakistan, it was only the zamindars, but british played a cleaver card via Jinnah to create it into land for islam as until that point there was no country made for a religion only 2 countries israel and pakistan have that distinction. 8. The fact is if Kashmiris wanted to coexist they would have not found any trouble in India and Hindus. The reality is a few Kashmiris have hijacked Kashmir because they get paid by Pakistan to do these things and create this violence. These people brainwash the others to follow them. Pakistan is almost idiotic and fanatic in their approach about Kashmir. They forget that the land that has been made Pakistan is infact the birth place of vedas and hindu / sikh religion and yet Indians are not fanatic about this. We believe in live and let live. However this cannot be a continuous process of demanding more and more land in the name of a religion. We can be generous but we are not dumb. There are more Muslims in India than Pakistan and Bangladesh put together and yet a few Kashmiri muslim want to join Pakistan, they forget in 75 years of existence Pakistan has killed more muslims than any country in the world. This is a reality we all know how many killed in Bangladesh and Balochistan. Yet no muslim blinked and eyebrow why. 9. During the partition India and Pakistan, the two countries were divided based on religion although the religious significance of Pakistan territory to the Hindus was like mecca to muslims or vatican to christians , yet still the British forced the partition and gave the 10000 year old hindu lands to the muslims. During the partition the population of Muslims was 92 million muslims in Undivided India. The population of muslims who went to Pakistan from India was 5 million and the Population of muslism that went from India to Bangladesh (East Pakistan) was 5 million. So at the time of partition 82 million muslims stayed back in India and only 10 million muslims went to Pakistan and Bangladesh (East Pakistan). This despite the fact that 90% of the muslim population had voted to create Pakistan. So East and West Pakistan took 10% of the muslim population but took 35% of the land and resources. The total population of undivided India in 1947 was approx 390 million. After partition, there were 330 million people in India, 30 million in West Pakistan, and 30 million people in East Pakistan(Now its called Bangladesh)., So after partition there were 9 million HIndus still left behind in Pakistan forming 22% of the population of West Pakistan and 11 million Hindus left behind in Bangladesh (East Pakistan) forming 27% of the population of East Pakistan as per the 1951 census in both these territories, but within 40 years the population of Hindus in these regions killed, exterminated and as per 1991 census only 1.8% hindus were left in Pakistan and 7% Hindus were left in Bangladesh. After that Pakistan stopped counting the hindu population in subsequent census, instead counted them as minorities together with other shia, ahmediya minorities. Where as in India the 82 million muslims who formed just 8% of the population has now increased to 19% muslims where they got opportunity to progress. This means we gave away 30 percent of land to muslims as pakistan, when the actual population who went to/ remained in east and west pakistan was less then 5 percent it is not understood, why then we gave 30% land if only 5% actually stayed in east and west pakistan, and large population of muslims stayed back in India. This suggests Nehru and Gandhi were not sincere, and we also noted when reading independence act of india, nehru act, cripps commission that Nehru was never seeking or askingh for independent india he was only seeking a dominion status, on the 14/ 15 August 1947, both India and pakistan got only dominion status not a indepence. Then why did nehru and gandhi mislead india and why did jinnah mislead the pakistanis. 10. In 1947 90% Indian muslims voted for creation of Pakistan and then later the same muslims stayed back in India and claimed they were loyal Indians. If they were loyal why did they vote for creation of Pakistan. We all now understand your Muslims ancestors were practicing Taqiyya (deception). But when India and Pakistan were divided based on religion, Pakistan a Islamic country and India a hindu country. Yet it was hindu majority that created a secular constitution that allowed all Indian including minorities to practice their religion with full freedom, unlike pakistan and bangladesh were minorities were exterminated the same did not happen in India. Till date they do not tell the muslims you are not belonging in India. 11. Now let us hear this from the mouth of sardar patel who said in this speech to muslims.and he said , You will killed 5000 muslims in nokhali, 90% of you muslims voted to create pakistan but stayed back in India. Still we the hindu majority will be toerant we will create a secular constitution. so that you have freedom to relgion. He said we are giving you chance to integregrate.but so far even after 75 years of indiependence muslims are doing block voting and violating democracy. Hence muslims should not be given voting rights in India if they are going to destroy secular democracy. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/lZl4ebGiy9XWmYE.html SO based on this Pakistan was already given more land for muslims in 1947, but they never took all the muslims, so why more land needs to be given for muslims. Infact the Kashmiri muslim majority has done exodus of Hindus, and created constitution to discriminate Hindus and Women.

Thankyou Romina Thapar you and your bunch of colleagues for those beautiful stories in the guise of history & building the sense of inferiority complex among my fellow Indians. Your lies are debunking now!

Insightful and thought provoking discussion.

Thank you Wire

TWO COMREDS ON DUTY🤣..LAAL SELOM😏

Where is Soorpanka ? Not invited to the temple opening ?

Salute to u madam

Who are the well wishes of India around the world ?

Intellectual must be converted to Islam!!!! Ab n congress hai jiske talwe chat k chatukar itna paisa kamaya hai!!!!

She ever believed in Nationalism which for her is a bourgeoisie concept ? Her party CPI ? And Wire is a paid ISI channel !

Healthy discussion is need of the hour. Rediscovery of nationalism to rejuvenate nation al life.

Wire is lire

12. Pakistan never withdrew from Pakistan occupied Kashmir, gilgit , Baltistan as per the UN resolution, which is the main and primary clause due to which UN resolution could not be implemented. Pakistan, instead it gave/ gifted 5800 sq kms of land to China another thing it did was it mixed its own population inside the Pakistan occupied Kashmir, and massacred millions of Hindus and Sikhs. Mass marriages of Pakistani men with Kashmiri women continued. Also Pakistan changed the borders and took away some provinces of Kashmir and included them into Pakistan. In the same period India has never allowed any Indian to buy land in Kashmir, it has not allowed Indians to get Kashmir domicile status. Infact till today a Muslim in Kashmir valley can get resident permit in 15 days where as a hindu even if he is Kashmiri his son can take 2 years of rigorous effort to get the domicile of own home state. In Indian Kashmir the politicians made a rule via Kashmir constitution girls of Kashmir marrying Indian nationals will loose its citizenship and their children have no rights to anchesterial property in Kashmir. But when Kashmiri girls or boys marry Pakistanis, thier spouse is given kashmiri/indian citizenship and their children get ancestral property rights. 13. Biggest problem has been influx of Pakistanis in India. for 75 years congress and kashmir constitution has left a loop hole Due to this loop hole lot of Pakistanis have got Indian citizenship over the years, we need to reverse this, We need to find out which are the persons who were originally pakistani they married Indian kashmiri girl and then got citizen card of Indian kashmir then they got indian passport. This is a weakness in our law/ kashmir constitution. how this has happened over the years. Mass marriages of Pakistani men with Kashmiri women in POK and Indian Kashmir has continued. Also Pakistan changed the borders and took away some provinces of Kashmir and included them into Pakistan. In the same period India has never allowed any Indian to buy land in Kashmir, it has not allowed Indians to get Kashmir domicile status. Infact till today a Muslim in Kashmir valley can get resident permit in 15 days where as a hindu even if he is Kashmiri his son can take 2 years of rigorous effort to get the domicile of own home state. In Indian Kashmir the politicians made a rule via Kashmir constitution girls of Kashmir marrying Indian nationals will loose its citizenship and their children have no rights to ancestral property in Kashmir. But when Kashmiri girls or boys marry Pakistanis, their spouse is given kashmiri/indian citizenship and their children get ancestral property rights. This is how more and more Pakistanis entering Indian kashmir and then into India. This must be stopped and revered, ll those who were pakistanis their kashmir IDs and Indian passports must be revoked. Now there is not only infux of pakistanis but in Begal there is also influx of bangladeshis in india. These foreigners have been getting indian voter ids, passports, ration cards with the help of the congress and its allies like TMC. 14. the number of Love jihad attacks on Hindu and Sikh women by Kashmir boys who have right to enter India freely have increased. Is it safe to have open borders with Kashmir Muslims which exposes India and its Hindu population. No govt in India has done anything to punish these people who do dreadful things in the name of religion. English paid media wont even put this in news cause it is a Hindu girl who is gang raped by Muslims. Updesh Rana in the video below was killed in a targeted accident who was trying to support a Hindu girl gang raped by Kashmirs. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mbJ6f8pl2rfKeYE.html 15. Article 35 A was added through a back door entry Bypassing the parliamentary procedures,any article passed by president bypassing parliamentary procedures has an expiry of 6 months after which it is null and void. 16. Hari Singh did not like Nehru, he was always suspicious of his, he even put him in jail once. 17. Dr BR Ambedkar, refused to draft Article 370 said anyone who drafts this will be a traitor . But still Nehru he colluded with Dr. Abdullah (Prime Minister of J&K was working for Maharaja Hari Singh) to draft and introduce the Article 370. Article 370 of the Indian Constitution is a 'temporary provision' which grants special autonomous status to Jammu & Kashmir. Under Part XXI of the Constitution of India, which deals with "Temporary, Transitional and Special provisions", the state of Jammu & Kashmir has been accorded special status under Article 370. Such Temporary provisions can be repealed any time but due to not removing this earlier some lobbyist particularly congress are making so much noise , which is why the BJP needs to go to Supreme court. Else like any other article of the Constitution can be changed even this article is no different. 18. Nehru could not add the Article 370 via parliament majority and this is how any changes happen in the Indian Constitution, instead Nehru ignored the parliament majority and got this added via Presidential order of 1954, The Constitution (Application to Jammu and Kashmir) Order, 1954 came into force on 14 May 1954. So Mr. idiot this is nothing to do with Kashmir it is part of Indian constitution and we can do as we choose with it. 19. Article 35A was not added to the Constitution by following the procedure prescribed for amendment of the Constitution of India under Article 368. Article 370 does not anywhere confer on the President legislative or executive powers so vast that he can amend the Constitution or perform the function of Parliament. This is why Nehru was following illegal means to add such articles to the constitution of India. 20. Clause 3 of Article 370 is clear. ... In other words, Article 370 can be revoked only if a new Constituent Assembly of Jammu and Kashmir is convened and is willing to recommend its revocation. Of course, Parliament of India also has the power to amend its own Constitution to change this provision. So all the provisions are with Indian people not with the Kashmiri separatists as some communists like Arundhati Roy and separatists and even Dr. Abdullah claims. Infact as soon that the Article 370 is removed from Indian constitution automatically the Kashmir constitution gets nullified as it is the Article 370 which provides these right to the people of Kashmir allowing them right to own constitution which in itself is a temporary provision.. No Kashmiri can do a damn about it whether you like it or not, all it takes is majority govt to take the necessary decision to remove this article.

Love your interviews ,the wire .so fearless in these dangerous times

I just wanted to laugh when the speaker talked about how education doesn’t allow us to think objectively. I want to ask what has the speaker done at her level to help enhance objective thinking. She was involved in history writing. Did she looked at the history objectively. A total washed up version of India’s history has been taught to an entire generation. How’s that objective thinking ?

please do an interview with A P shah too...

Thanks for teaching us your twisted version of false history.

she destroyed entire perception of history

Except by the reputed historians n journlists in the TV talk shows, we the citizens on the ground never experienced the nationalism or anti-nationalism in our daily routine lives. Has these syndroms cropped up in the minds of intellectual community in this country have started after May, 2014 ?

Good interview. So much to learn.

The congress teaches us wrong history & now there is an organized effort to call kashmir is not part of India this is being done in a systematic way by congress party & communists in India. the partition of India & pakistan happened based on religion, after 90% muslims voted for Pakistan this is historical facts, that Pakistan was made for muslims, & India for hindus. Now the hindu majority, being tolerant agreed to give rights of religious freedom to the minorities but they did not agree for secular constitution, infact it was ambedkar who severely opposed to add the word secular in the constitution, this is because the hindu culture is inherently is secular. But in 1971 during emergency corrupted the constitution, by forcefully adding the word secular without regard for majority votes in the parliament to pass this in a democratic manner. Meanwhile Nehru also did corrupt the constitution by adding things without majority vote, which means the constitution was violated & needs to be corrected. Partition of India Pakistan does not take into account many facts, The british created fake partitions, keeping 30% seat reservation for muslims, bribed a pork eating, alcohol drinking Jinnah and beef eating Nehru to partition India, using the psyche of muslims when 90% Indian muslims voted to create Pakistan. The British had already planned partition of India soon after 1857, created muslim league themselves in 1906, with agenda to be loyal to the British crown. Pakistan was created british using fake elections, even the hard core muslim mullahs did not want separate pakistan, it was only the zamindars, but british played a cleaver card via Jinnah to create it into land for islam as until that point there was no country made for a religion only 2 countries israel and pakistan have that distinction. The fact is if Kashmiris wanted to coexist they would have not found any trouble in India and Hindus. The reality is a few Kashmiris have hijacked Kashmir because they get paid by Pakistan to do these things and create this violence. These people brainwash the others to follow them. Pakistan is almost idiotic and fanatic in their approach about Kashmir. They forget that the land that has been made Pakistan is infact the birth place of vedas and hindu / sikh religion and yet Indians are not fanatic about this. We believe in live and let live. However this cannot be a continuous process of demanding more and more land in the name of a religion. We can be generous but we are not dumb. There are more Muslims in India than Pakistan and Bangladesh put together and yet a few Kashmiri muslim want to join Pakistan, they forget in 75 years of existence Pakistan has killed more muslims than any country in the world. This is a reality we all know how many killed in Bangladesh and Balochistan. Yet no muslim blinked and eyebrow why. During the partition India and Pakistan, the two countries were divided based on religion although the religious significance of Pakistan territory to the Hindus was like mecca to muslims or vatican to christians , yet still the British forced the partition and gave the 10000 year old hindu lands to the muslims. During the partition the population of Muslims was 92 million muslims in Undivided India. The population of muslims who went to Pakistan from India was 5 million and the Population of muslism that went from India to Bangladesh (East Pakistan) was 5 million. So at the time of partition 82 million muslims stayed back in India and only 10 million muslims went to Pakistan and Bangladesh (East Pakistan). This despite the fact that 90% of the muslim population had voted to create Pakistan. So East and West Pakistan took 10% of the muslim population but took 35% of the land and resources. The total population of undivided India in 1947 was approx 390 million. After partition, there were 330 million people in India, 30 million in West Pakistan, and 30 million people in East Pakistan(Now its called Bangladesh)., So after partition there were 9 million HIndus still left behind in Pakistan forming 22% of the population of West Pakistan and 11 million Hindus left behind in Bangladesh (East Pakistan) forming 27% of the population of East Pakistan as per the 1951 census in both these territories, but within 40 years the population of Hindus in these regions killed, exterminated and as per 1991 census only 1.8% hindus were left in Pakistan and 7% Hindus were left in Bangladesh. After that Pakistan stopped counting the hindu population in subsequent census, instead counted them as minorities together with other shia, ahmediya minorities. Where as in India the 82 million muslims who formed just 8% of the population has now increased to 19% muslims where they got opportunity to progress. In 1947 90% Indian muslims voted for creation of Pakistan and then later the same muslims stayed back in India and claimed they were loyal Indians. If they were loyal why did they vote for creation of Pakistan. We all now understand your Muslims ancestors were practicing Taqiyya (deception). But when India and Pakistan were divided based on religion, Pakistan a Islamic country and India a hindu country. Yet it was hindu majority that created a secular constitution that allowed all Indian including minorities to practice their religion with full freedom, unlike pakistan and bangladesh were minorities were exterminated the same did not happen in India. Till date they do not tell the muslims you are not belonging in India. Now let us hear this from the mouth of sardar patel who said in this speech to muslims.and he said , You will killed 5000 muslims in nokhali, 90% of you muslims voted to create pakistan but stayed back in India. Still we the hindu majority will be toerant we will create a secular constitution. so that you have freedom to relgion. He said we are giving you chance to integregrate.but so far even after 75 years of indiependence muslims are doing block voting and violating democracy. Hence muslims should not be given voting rights in India if they are going to destroy secular democracy. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/lZl4ebGiy9XWmYE.html SO based on this Pakistan was already given more land for muslims in 1947, but they never took all the muslims, so why more land needs to be given for muslims. Infact the Kashmiri muslim majority has done exodus of Hindus, and created constitution to discriminate Hindus and Women. Pakistan never withdrew instead it gave/ gifted 5800 sq kms of land to China another thing it did was it mixed its own population inside the Pakistan occupied Kashmir, and massacred millions of Hindus and Sikhs. Mass marriages of Pakistani men with Kashmiri women continued. Also Pakistan changed the borders and took away some provinces of Kashmir and included them into Pakistan. In the same period India has never allowed any Indian to buy land in Kashmir, it has not allowed Indians to get Kashmir domicile status. Infact till today a Muslim in Kashmir valley can get resident permit in 15 days where as a hindu even if he is Kashmiri his son can take 2 years of rigorous effort to get the domicile of own home state. In Indian Kashmir the politicians made a rule via Kashmir constitution girls of Kashmir marrying Indian nationals will loose its citizenship and their children have no rights to anchesterial property in Kashmir. But when Kashmiri girls or boys marry Pakistanis, thier spouse is given kashmiri/indian citizenship and their children get ancestral property rights. Moreover the number of Love jihad attacks on Hindu and Sikh women by Kashmir boys who have right to enter India freely have increased. Is it safe to have open borders with Kashmir Muslims which exposes India and its Hindu population. No govt in India has done anything to punish these people who do dreadful things in the name of religion. English paid media wont even put this in news cause it is a Hindu girl who is gang raped by Muslims. Updesh Rana in the video below was killed in a targeted accident who was trying to support a Hindu girl gang raped by Kashmirs. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mbJ6f8pl2rfKeYE.html

I learnt so many things. Thanks Prof. Thapar.

Yes there is Decline but Decline of Hypocritical Inquiry. Hope Perish in Pain

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Biggest joke of the year ! Romilla on nationalism.😄😄

I have read her history books. What a wonderful lady!

I'm sorry but there's a protest against this lady because she didn't do proper research and actually listed an indigenous Indian community as Extremists. Why is the lady trying to educate the mass to look at the Bodos as militants or terrorists? In page number 378 of her book Ancient Indian Social History: Some Interpretation she referred to the Bodo community as a militant group. Thapar wrote, "Few in India pause to count the number of militant groups, that are terrorising the areas of the sub-continent and are not concerned with matters of Islam, such as the PW, the Naxalites, the Bodo, the Ulfa, a variety of groups in the Northeast, some of whom go back 50 years, and various mafias acting like private militias." Doesn't she know that Bodo is one of the scheduled languages of India? It's listed 3rd alphabetically in the 8th Schedule of the Indian Constitution. Please refer to the news article here, www.telegraphindia.com/states/north-east/students-protest-slur-on-bodos-234034. Here's also a video link (Ignore the accent but concentrate on the content): kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r9GZh5d_0c65oHU.html

Colonial conscious Early Christians

Read Minakshi Jain's books before call her a historian or intellectual

Do we today need Nationalism per se (not only Hindu Nationalism) as desirable political-social formation? In this digital, globalized world fraught with ecological catastrophe?

When you talk of secularism, how could you integrate the fact that the agenda of Christianity and Islam is to destroy and eliminate the non-Abrahamic religions of India? Is there any justification for a riposte by the victims to those whose ideology and actions are to destroy them ? Which is preferable, a forceful riposte like Sikhism against Islam or a defensive low-keyed amorphous one like Hindutva? Or just allow themselves to be quietly overwhelmed and eliminated like Zoroastrianism ?

Whether some rulers like her or not, she remains the foremost historian of all times from India, recognized worldwide for the sheer rigour she brings to her work. Only Ranajit Guha comes anywhere close with subaltern history.

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HE IS A U S CITIZEN ? MEDDLING IN INDIA ?

all the spheres of Indian society and its civility is basically dumb!! be it any...we have had no great philosophers in History Except BHIM !! for ref just look at the no. of views to this video. and compare that to any rightwing hateful video with "Exposed" in the title.

The days of these slaves of the Nehru Gandhi dynasty are numbered.

The Constitution gave the right to vote to both the literate as well as illiterate.