Romulus, its Destruction and Deceit

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2 жыл бұрын

The Romulan home planet of Romulus was a hub of political schemes and ploys from the Star Empire, not only just from the Tal Shiar. But the planet itself was a veritably verdant veneer over a darkened core.
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@CollinBuckman 2 жыл бұрын

> Romulus > Remus > share an orbit > term for object sharing an orbit with another object is a trojan > Romulus and Remus were descended from the Trojan Aeneas This had to be intentional lmao

@casbot71 2 жыл бұрын

There's beta canon that the reason for Romulan withdrawl during the Federations "Golden Age" was that they were fighting a all out war against another species on the opposite boarder from the Federation. They couldn't afford to have a war on two fronts and were in fact worried that if their two rivals learnt of each other they could join forces and overwhelm the Empire. And thus the Romulans only started bothering the Federation again once they had beaten their other rivals.

@Sierraomega1991 2 жыл бұрын

I had always thought bit was maybe a civil war that was going on

@TrensGemini 2 жыл бұрын

…who drank Bont the Viscous, who drank Ungo the Moist, who guzzled Zorn the Stagnant... who slurped Hudge the Dewy, who enjoyed a soup composed principally of Throm the Chunky….

@KingOfMadCows 2 жыл бұрын

Ah, yes. Romulus, how well I remember it. You'll find the predominant color to be gray-- the buildings, the clothes, the people. Did you know that the Romulan heart itself is grey? It's true. And altogether appropriate for such an unimaginative race.

@Gameguru667 2 жыл бұрын

- Garak

@recurvestickerdragon 2 жыл бұрын

We love Elim

@goransekulic3671 2 жыл бұрын

Spoken by a literally gray person. :)

@Okiedog1 2 жыл бұрын

I always thought Romulan politics was "cut throat". Thank you for confirming that! Also, I'm sure the Romulan people were hard working and family oriented. It's the scheming military and the Tal Shiar that scares me.

@MrBigCookieCrumble 2 жыл бұрын

The fact that a sense of paranoia was hanging over the general populace is evidence in and of it self that the civilian population's lifestyle, goals and motivations differed significantly from that of the ruling class. On top of that the very fact that the upper classes felt the _need_ to create and employ an organization like the Tal Shiar is further proof of that.

@ThePockyJocky 2 жыл бұрын

destroying romulus was one of the worst thing the movies did.

@BurningFlamesofDivineDragon 2 жыл бұрын

I feel it gave the Romulaus more development and made for some great stories in Star Trek Online. Each to there own I guess.

@jeffhallam2004 2 жыл бұрын

JJ verse should not be canon. Unfortunately Picard series incorporated it.

@BurningFlamesofDivineDragon 2 жыл бұрын

@@jeffhallam2004 Each to there own I will give JJ credit were its due he brought Star Trek back into popularity after it hadn't had a new TV show or movie in 8 years.

@jeffhallam2004 2 жыл бұрын

@@BurningFlamesofDivineDragon not for me. If you like it cool.

@CaptainJonathan 2 жыл бұрын

It has no affect on the classic, legacy timeline in IMHO. Really, the evidence is there.

@lovipoekimo176 2 жыл бұрын

Awww, Romulans are my favorite too! The ships, the secrecy, the fashion. What's not to love

@BurningFlamesofDivineDragon 2 жыл бұрын

The Romulan ships have a cool color with that green. It gives off a mysterious vibe.

@uncletaylorify 2 жыл бұрын

Those 80's shoulder pads lol

@michaelbritt7609 2 жыл бұрын

I never noticed this before, but the Romulans sure do love Mid Century Modern architecture!

@ClassicMagicMan 2 жыл бұрын

Seeing the imperial city just made me want to play Oblivion again, darn you, Ric.

@matthewjay660 2 жыл бұрын

YES, RICK! The Romulans are also my favorite species! JOLAN TRU!

@AidenCain 2 жыл бұрын

I like how you totally make Me think this is a historic documentary. I’m here wondering where are they now and what it must have been like before the nova 😌

@mangamegs 2 жыл бұрын

The romulan star empire seemed so close to being the ultimate super power in the alpha quadrant, before that pesky super nova that is.

@lg_4da695 2 жыл бұрын

I would say that the cutthroat politics limited their reach.

@mangamegs 2 жыл бұрын

@@lg_4da695 good point

@mangamegs 2 жыл бұрын

@@lg_4da695 they seemed to come out of the dominion war in the best shape of all the alpha powers, but like you said too much in house betrayal held them back. Along with that pesky, stinking supernova 😆

@msharp6887 2 жыл бұрын

Second to the federation

@Edd25164605 2 жыл бұрын

One plus to Romulus' destruction was it gave Birth to the Romulan Republic!

@whyjnot420 2 жыл бұрын

I have often described the politics of the actual Romans as "a soap opera with lots of knives". This description also holds true for the Romulans. edit: Personally I am partial to the Andorians, but the Romulans are easily in position #2.

@MaverickBlue42 2 жыл бұрын

"I'm blue, da ba dee da ba di"...

@tomasr. 2 жыл бұрын

Both very emotional and dramatic, and therefore funny.

@jimmyryan5880 2 жыл бұрын

Picard is my favourite trek show. I love what they did with the romulans. I always though they needed to be fleshed out more.

@recurvestickerdragon 2 жыл бұрын

Their almost cartoonish dedication to subterfuge was a surprisingly charming trait~

@connernickerson5509 2 жыл бұрын

You must have childish and grotesque tastes then.

@Phil-D83 2 жыл бұрын

Really stupid how they destroyed it.

@BurningFlamesofDivineDragon 2 жыл бұрын

I feel it made for some great stories in Star Trek Online as well as giving the Romulans more development.

@Ryan-vl2nn 2 жыл бұрын

I love the ancient Carthage-esque layout of the capital.

@nationeer 8 ай бұрын

Man I love that Galorndon 23rd century Romulan Colony map so much, pretty much my favourite map in STO together with the Starfleet Academy and New Romulus Command. I replay The Core of The Matter every now and then just to enjoy the map.

@stevieturner9338 2 жыл бұрын

Love this channel.

@jeffhallam2004 2 жыл бұрын

Love these types of videos!

@XanthinZarda Жыл бұрын

The destruction of Romulus is, in my opinion one of the most baffling things to happen in the Prime universe. Thanks, JJ!

@Awestefeld6612 2 жыл бұрын

Please do a personal file on the Romulan Commander.

@Platypi007 2 жыл бұрын

5:38 hedge mages? 😄 Fun slip-up.

@drewf41 2 жыл бұрын

Those aren't torture chambers, they're medical bays...

@ludicrousfunone5705 2 жыл бұрын

Jo-lan tru Rick! Romulans are my favourite too. Them and the Augments!!!

@tech83studio38 2 жыл бұрын

The Romulan Empire is indeed fascinating.

@nobodyyouknow1065 2 жыл бұрын

2:37 I see that comma left hanging there, Ric.

@RyanMartinez 2 жыл бұрын

Do an in-universe history of pop culture and why almost every episode references anything made in the 19th and early 20th century and before and why a version of Magic Carpet Ride by Steppenwolf in First Contact felt so novel. We all know why in our universe. Rights, public domain works, etc made it easier for us to relate to characters. Maybe WWIII somehow wiped out all pop culture between the 1940s and 2026? Maybe we just somehow got tired of producing shows, making music, and writing and just became purely consumers of existing older works? I dunno.

@skywise001 2 жыл бұрын

Words: Romulus was the larger of the two Screen: Remus is the larger of the two Um wat?

@MaverickBlue42 2 жыл бұрын

The way Romulan society seems to work, with their various castes and classes, I wouldn't be surprised if the city's area is exactly as depicted on screen, with the balance of the volume being in the vertical plane. High society and public commons on the upper levels, with the middle, lower, and slave classes generally living closer to/below ground level as "appropriate". I'm sure the Remans would probably even prefer the lower levels with their light sensitivity(and you just know that some of the better behaved Remans would be kept on the homeworld to do the shittiest of the shit jobs, thanking their lucky stars they weren't in the mines....).

@hevendor958 2 жыл бұрын

It should be worth noting that the 14,000 Kilometer Diameter is actually the Planet's Equatorial Circumference, and when calculating the Circumference, Romulus appears to be a very small Planet surprisingly

@mangamegs 2 жыл бұрын

Why didn't they mass produce the semitar? Even without that super weapon, and over powered cloaking device that ship was a beast.

@enisra_bowman 2 жыл бұрын

i mean, they kinda did it in STO, but as always in Storys why there is mostly one or two supership and no more build later, either it's scematics are all "lost" or it would be to impractical to have one large megalomanic ship insteas of smaller ones that don't use that much resources and crew. And while the last one is a realistic reason, it's always a powerbalance and charakter-shield applied so we can have a story

@mangamegs 2 жыл бұрын

@@enisra_bowman ok I totally forgot about sto using them.

@geoffreycannon2197 2 жыл бұрын

If I remember correctly, it wasn't mass produced because it was designed and manufactured by Remans in secret, not by the romulans. Been a hot minute since I've read the novelization of that movie, or the associated extra material.

@mangamegs 2 жыл бұрын

@@geoffreycannon2197 that makes sense.

@sophiedunn4661 2 жыл бұрын

Can you do a video of crimes and punishment in Star Trek

@starclone4 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, The Romulans... My all time favorite Star Trek race !!!! How could I not love such a treacherous species...

@Gamplik_impostor 2 жыл бұрын

I hope their make romulan republic canon is much better than what star trek discovery did with romulan

@tomasr. 2 жыл бұрын

People will do a lot of work to come up with it, draw it, add lore. And then the one director comes, destroying the whole thing offscreen, just to have a motive for one of his characters.

@beridot2615 2 жыл бұрын

I read the title as, "Romulus, its Destruction and Detroit"

@CaptainDonut0 2 жыл бұрын

attempt #4 plz make the cultural index for the sheliak corporate.

@phelimridley6727 2 жыл бұрын

@2:32 which Romulan continent has an Irish accent? 😁 (home of Orla Brady's Laris)

@DissociatedWomenIncorporated 2 жыл бұрын

Didn’t ST:Picard imply that Romulans and Vulcans _weren’t_ originally from Vulcan?

@pmahler4137 2 жыл бұрын

That was likely taken from a conversation between Kirk, Spock and Sargon (I think?) from a TOS episode back in the day. Hadn't really been acknowledged since.

@DissociatedWomenIncorporated 2 жыл бұрын

@@pmahler4137 yes, I was thinking about that too, though it seemed more of a vague possibility in that episode than in Picard.

@mittensfastpaw 2 жыл бұрын

Picard is trash anyways.

@DissociatedWomenIncorporated 2 жыл бұрын

@@mittensfastpaw _[citation needed]_

@recurvestickerdragon 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I feel that's closer to the truth, as well. The schism may have happened after the loss of their original world, with the two factions seeking different refuges

@AlexTekle 2 жыл бұрын

If the Vulcan are the high-elves of of the star trek universe, the Romulans are the dark-elves

@firebat2120 2 жыл бұрын

This is just me, but I don't consider the J.J. Abrams universe destruction of Romulus to be canon.

@connernickerson5509 2 жыл бұрын

It's not just you, any thinking person would also reject this Nutrek.

@Sephiroth144 2 жыл бұрын

It always struck me as ironic that the Roman Capital (Ki Baratan) seemed to draw inspiration in its layout from Carthage...

@bjorndejonckheere8677 2 жыл бұрын

Fascinating, I thought it was Roman.

@zironthegamer 2 жыл бұрын

the imperial capital is called cyrodiil city while province is called cyrodiil im an TES fan

@mittensfastpaw 2 жыл бұрын

It indeed would have been nice to see more before it poofed.

@JDEhlert 2 жыл бұрын

Yah, I have problems with the decision to make it the Romulan home star going nova. I'd rather it was like STO, and it being Hobus. Mainly because the tech Spock was using would be just as disastrous as the nova if it was used inside the star system itself.

@recurvestickerdragon 2 жыл бұрын

Hobus was mentioned by Spock himself in Trek 2009, though. So it's canonically not Romulus' star.

@richardwalker2881 2 жыл бұрын

Funny that a very treacherous race's home planet might of been destroyed because of a civil war of a very powerful race known as the q, who, in voyager, had a civil war and it was stated that clashes between q were capable of causing stars to go supernova and it is also stated that it could happen in the past and FUTURE, which could be possible as they are very powerful

@t3h51d3w1nd3r 2 жыл бұрын

You've been listening to too much Federation propaganda Ric, the Empire is just and honourable. D'Deridex was extremely intelligent and a man with an excellent vision. He like the Praetor and the Tal'Shiar, have the respect, admiration and are much loved by the people. Jolan Tru, Ric.................Jolann........Truu

@shanenolan8252 2 жыл бұрын

Its odd they are based on Roman empire. But political positions are different. Console is prime minister. Proconel is former console and governor of the colonies or foreign policy and the preator is like justice or home secretary. Police law enforcement ect . It feels like they mistead the history book . ?

@bpdmf2798 2 жыл бұрын

Asteroid field Romulus

@chrisbingley 2 жыл бұрын

They call themselves Romulan. Initially mistranslated as Romoolan by Ensign Sato, and corrected by T'pol.

@dave_p560 2 жыл бұрын

I love the romulans. I think canon could do with following sto's storyline for the romulans. The Republic is an awsome idea. However it won't be because if it has already been written then they would have to pay royalties for it. So one thing is for sure. It won't be the Republic. Picard mentioned the romulan free state. Sounds poo but maybe they can do something with it.

@recurvestickerdragon 2 жыл бұрын

that, and video games traditionally get tertiary canon status, beneath the books, which are beneath anything filmed.

@recurvestickerdragon 2 жыл бұрын

Hobus wasn't Romulus' star; it was nearby

@goransekulic3671 2 жыл бұрын

And it exploded Romulus' star via Transwarp or something. Hell, the explanation with Q civil war makes more sense than the entirety of nuTrek. Honestly? nuTrek makes me sick.

@Area51byDaveReale 2 жыл бұрын

If I was a Praetor, I wouldn`t want my palace in a valley. More like on top of a mountain...... Just in case. :)

@recurvestickerdragon 2 жыл бұрын

ah yes, closer to orbital bombardments I kid, lol

@Area51byDaveReale 2 жыл бұрын

@@recurvestickerdragon Probably best to just be a good leader and hand out the bribes. 😀👍

@recurvestickerdragon 2 жыл бұрын

@@Area51byDaveReale It's worked this long, hasn't it? :3

@stevengalloway8052 2 жыл бұрын

🤔 Was Remus destroyed as well? 🤨

@bjorndejonckheere8677 2 жыл бұрын

Imagine a massive shockwave coming about, destroying e everything in its path… two planets very close to each other. Even if the shockwave missed Remus the sudden change in gravity must have propelled the planet into deep space.

@recurvestickerdragon 2 жыл бұрын

Hobus destroyed several star systems and all within them, yes.

@connernickerson5509 2 жыл бұрын

Nope, it never happened, we threw away this wretched timeline.

@michaelmacleod6517 2 жыл бұрын

New Romulus should join the UFP. Its past time.

@leejohnstone894 2 жыл бұрын

I thought Romulus was destroyed in the Kelvin universe?

@bjorndejonckheere8677 2 жыл бұрын

No it was very much alive the destruction of Romulus and Remus was in the same timeline as the narada and Spock’s jellyfish, which were tossed into the kelvin timeline because of the black hole, Spock’s red matter created

@joseaguilar3323 2 жыл бұрын

No, it happened in the prime universe and lead to the creation of the Kelvin Timeline. Vulcan was destroyed in the Kelvin Timeline though.

@shmee123ful 2 жыл бұрын

Ahh the romulans, the 2d most convoluted race or faction in a future science fiction setting. If you want to know the frist it's the apua legion. Even they don't know what they're doing or who's side they're on more than half the time.

@RickySpanish12344 2 жыл бұрын

Romulus being destroyed is one of the dumbest thing Star Trek writers have ever done. Literally destroyed a legacy power for a single, weak movie.

@goransekulic3671 2 жыл бұрын

How about Vulcan? Damn, FUCK nuTrek!

@DMSProduktions 2 жыл бұрын

Jolan tru Ricardus!

@nilevinsmoke5880 2 жыл бұрын

Stargate or Steve universe?

@LustyDwarf95 2 жыл бұрын

Stargate

@goldenknight578 2 жыл бұрын

Red Dwarf. It's the only universe that's believable.

@jamesdanton9033 2 жыл бұрын

New Trek: We don't really have any good ideas or characters so how do we make things interesting? EXPLOSIONS! Seriously, new Star Trek is loud, pointless, brainless, violent, non-sensical garbage. Star Trek ended with Enterprise. Everything after that is cultural vandalism.

@Awestefeld6612 2 жыл бұрын

Lower Decks should be canon.

@jamesdanton9033 2 жыл бұрын

@@Awestefeld6612 It would be except for the 'Starfleet' personnel who aren't and don't act like Starfleet personnel. I hate to say it but the best fun I have with Star Trek now, even though it has the bestest evar female character in it, is Prodigy. It's the most Star Trek feeling show but what it does over time is yet to be seen.

@goransekulic3671 2 жыл бұрын

Damn right!

@XanthinZarda Жыл бұрын

New Trek is basically jingling keys and jingoism.

@Monkismo 2 жыл бұрын

Congrats on using "its" correctly. :-)

@nilevinsmoke5880 2 жыл бұрын

Second

@dredeth 2 жыл бұрын

In my head canon it wasn't destroyed. That Pick hard show never happened.

@dreadfulspiller8766 2 жыл бұрын

I don't accept this timeline or anything since like std or picard.

@yousufahmed5675 2 жыл бұрын

First!

@Bondoz007 2 жыл бұрын

But why is there the connection to Roman mythology where Romulus and Remus originate? And if Ni'var exists as a united world in 3800, something happened?!

@shanenolan8252 2 жыл бұрын

Roman mythology i assume you mean in universe. ? If so . I think it was earth reference. They had a twin capital system. And an imperial empire and they probably named them with that in mind . Like Vulcan is also from mythology. Im sure it has a different translation in the original language. Same with earth or terra ( home / terrain /earth ) your right about the reunification. I always thought perhaps the Vulcans had a large refuge population that grew into a major population over time or the succeeding romulan state merged eventually. The Vulcans were partly responsible for romulus destruction or they delayed assistance. A reason nero was so angry with them . Spock and picard took to long persuading them . I believe spock ended up stealing the technology to try help .

@CaptainJonathan 2 жыл бұрын

I disregard the JJ, Disco and Picard verses, so for me Romulus is still alive and kicking. One may think ST Picard is in the legacy timeline, but the Romulans not having AI debunks that as they most certainly did in legacy Trek.

@recurvestickerdragon 2 жыл бұрын

I didn't even consider that... hmm