Testing Bear Rifles

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Welcome to Ron Spomer Outdoors! In this video, Joseph von Benedikt and I test several popular bear rifles to find out which one is the best for bear protection.
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@charlesbarrows3318 3 ай бұрын

Back in 1970, a bunch of Infantry units from Fort Carson, had a two week training session near Tarryall Reservoir, Colorado. They gave each of us Platoon Leaders three rounds of 5.56 FMJ for grizzly bear protection for our whole platoon. Thankfully, no one saw any bears.

@davidneal6920 3 ай бұрын

I enjoyed the movie ‘southern comfort’ where the Cajuns took out a National Guard platoon who were on a blank firing exercise. Not sure about giving platoon leaders live rounds though. Everyone knows officers can’t shoot! lol 😂

@charlesbarrows3318 2 ай бұрын

Almost all of the enlisted personnel were Nam vets waiting to get out. Us Lts., were waiting out turn to go to the Nam. Somehow, bears didn't seem very scary.

@lynnjr457 2 ай бұрын

We did quite a few exercises in Bear Country and Wild Dog Country (massive packs of wild dogs that would go after a person in the Carolinas). They wouldn't give us live ammo, they just told us to slip our cleaning rod down the barrel of our M16A2s with a blank behind it to propel the rod. That approach was obviously useless.

@scottythebody0811 3 ай бұрын

You handled that 458 like a boss

@panthermartin7784 3 ай бұрын

Having been physically involved in a Grizzly charge I can 100% assure you when it happens your biggest enemy wouldn't be the bear but your own body. Everything slows down to extreme slow motion and your screaming for your limbs to do something but your frozen in time trying to get your arms and legs to respond as your brain is responding to a giant ass bear plowing over brush trying to get to you. And more importantly, extremly important, YOU WILL NOT have time to get off more than one round even if you get the gun to your shoulder In time. The bear moves that fast. Your best defense is situational awareness and recognizing the threat so you can buy yourself the time to respond accordingly. For what its worth the .405 Winchester really is the hand of God.

@algoneby 3 ай бұрын

That Bear, has more Bark Than Bite.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 ай бұрын

Good one, algoneby!

@Vikingocazar 2 ай бұрын

My minded added in the snare and cymbal 😹😹😹

@Chris-jq3eg 3 ай бұрын

Dads Winchester model 70 30-06 Gramps shot it for years, then dad shot for lots more years, Doug took it to Africa for years and years then gave it to me and I'm going to give it to my Grandson soon that things killed everything known to man

@NCWoodlandRoamer 3 ай бұрын

All you ever need.

@matthewotis3594 3 ай бұрын

Except much of Africa doesn't allow anything smaller Russians have killed brown bear for a century with mosins and they're a bit cooler than the 30-06. 50 fps or so.

@cameronmcandrew9745 2 ай бұрын

Being a 30-06 I would say that is more the Quality of the marksman using it than just brute force my friend. If only the steel and timber could tell us the tales ay.

@mrskelington 3 ай бұрын

Slick control of that 458 Joe.. impressive

@anthonyrstrawbridge 3 ай бұрын

James Howe's 35 Whelen cartridge pushing the HORNADY round nose at 2525 fps or the Nosler Partition or Barns-X.. How dead do you want 'em!

@user-eg8hb8xt3j 3 ай бұрын

That’s my calibre ! I love my whelen. I hunt in mountain grizzly country and I run 225 grain partitions moving at 2750 at the muzzle . It’s perfect

@williamfoerster298 3 ай бұрын

Great comment - yes, the 35 Whelen Cartridge loaded with the right bullet would get my vote!

@thorhuisman7807 3 ай бұрын

Yes that 35 whelen in a Remington 7600 pump for bear ....

@mickeydoodle6014 3 ай бұрын

I am working on a custom load with Hornady brass, H4895, 250 Interlock out of my 700 Classic 22”. Hoping for 2500-2550. OAL is forgiving. Close to Magnum length.

@anthonyrstrawbridge 3 ай бұрын

@@mickeydoodle6014 Yes, excellent. Any plans to hunt something?

@garyK.45ACP 3 ай бұрын

Since 1988, my top bear (and elk and moose) rifle has been a Remington Model 7600, .35 Whelen. Powerful, very accurate and fast to operate. None better.

@mahinzaman902 Ай бұрын

Which bears? And how does those reaction after getting shot?

@garyK.45ACP Ай бұрын

@@mahinzaman902 Black bears. They died very quickly when shot with the .35 Whelen.

@troy9477 22 күн бұрын

Nice. Been wanting one of those myself, if i can ever find one

@garyK.45ACP 22 күн бұрын

@@troy9477 They were only made for a few years. I was a .35 Whelen fan since the 60s when I built one on a Mauser '98 action. When Remington announced they were going to make them, I got with my local dealer and had one ordered right away. I also owned a 1968 vintage Model 760 in .30-06 (still have that one also) so I was familiar with the rifle. If you can find one, jump on it! I have plenty of .35 Whelen cases on hand, but they can be easily fireformed from .30-06 cases if necessary. I did that for about 20 years before Remington made the factory ammo.

@ericneilson9151 3 ай бұрын

40 years hunting in Alaska. 338 Win with 250 grain Barns x bullet.

@brinkee7674 3 ай бұрын

NOW imagine being Stu Taylor and being shot through the back of your left shoulder with a 458 Win by Tim Herald. Took him years to recover and surviving alone was a miracle

@oldschoolhomesteadfarm2683 3 ай бұрын

I'm glad to see this video I have just inherited a Winchester model 70 300 win mag pre 64 from my grandfather. It's a bear stopper if I ever have to. Learning to shoot long distance with it. It's in mint condition so want to keep it special use.

@craigparker4108 3 ай бұрын

At 2:11 you see the bird taking flight. 🐦 Impressive penetration from 7mm 08.

@rustystubbs242 3 ай бұрын

Charging brown bear probably go 40 yards before he realizes he’s dead.

@JohnLee-lr2op 3 ай бұрын

"Is that you, John Wayne? Yeah, this is me!" Lol, fun video! Thanks, guys!

@everettyost8639 3 ай бұрын

How about a 375 H&H?

@kevin_6217 3 ай бұрын

Right? Skipped much?

@lifewithabe312 3 ай бұрын

Yes a lot of ignorance showing by not having that on here. Makes a guy think who the heck made some of these KZfaqrs pros??

@bullgravy6906 3 ай бұрын

Ron has long touted the efficacy of the ol’ 375HH, my guess would be this was done with what they had available at the time of filming. Personally, I would HATE to do a video rapid firing all the bear cartridges out there. That said, he’s generally a 375HH fan so it is surprising him not having it.

@mikga45 3 ай бұрын

I owned a Winchester MN: 70 in 375 h&h and felt recoil was like shooting 12 gauge 2 3/4" slugs. Rem 7mm mag kicked more with a lite hunting rifle. I liked the 375 h&h.

@lukeescamilla9386 Ай бұрын

Or the 375 ruger

@johnnyv.223 3 ай бұрын

I've always had deep respect for Swift A Frames. I can't remember for sure, but I think I first saw them in the '90s. I wish there were more of them to go around! They're scarce as hens' teeth. Herr Joseph von Benedikt has an interesting accent. He sounds like John Wayne, if he had grown up in Minnesota. You betcha.🤠 Thank you for an interesting and informative look at these weapons, regarding their potential performance on bears. Continue the fight for our right to keep and arm bears! 🐻

@jakesvideos8204 3 ай бұрын

I have a model 70 in 270 win I call it the piano because it’s heavy!

@BornAgain2019 3 ай бұрын

I have a RMEF model 70 sporter in 300 Win mag and yes it is hefty. I'm looking for a featherweight in 270 though.

@donwyoming1936 3 ай бұрын

I've got an M70 Lightweight in 270. The scope probably weighs more than the rifle. 🤠

@lovacporodjenju4363 3 ай бұрын

Hey there, I am from Bosnia and Herzegowina, we have also a lot of bears in our country and we do hunt them sometimes, not every year because they are protected, when I say not every year, I mean you can hunt them if you pay, but if you want to do that for free then you must wait for the spring seasion. We hunt usually wild boars and they can be really tough animals too, especially if they run with full speed.. For all those animals 308 Win, 30-06 or 8x57IS will be just great choice, even 7x64 or 270 Win with light bullets must do the job if the hit was okay. We hunt usually with the dogs and we had never problems with bears, wild boars or something like that when we are talking about right caliber.. So I don't know is that so really important. I hunt with my new Sabatti Forest combination gun in 30-06 and 12 gauge 3 inch chamber and I can say that I am really happy with it. A lot of people use Benelli Argo and Browning BAR rifles and they are anwesome because you can shoot very fast if its needed... So this is cool video after all, and I like all videos from Ron Spomer, so thumb up 👍

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 ай бұрын

Thanks Lovac! Sounds like some wild times over there. We don't see the Browning auto afield here in the Rocky Mountain west very often, but it's fairly popular in parts of the East and Midwest. My cousin shot one exclusively in 30-06 while hunting Dakota mule deer and whitetails and rarely ate tag soup. As luck would have it, I'm testing one for our 30-06 Week video series in two days. Cheers, sir. Hunt honest and shoot straight over there.

@lovacporodjenju4363 3 ай бұрын

@@RonSpomerOutdoors Thank you for the answer sir... Eastern Europe is wild even today, some countries like Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Bulgaria, Rumenia they have all bears, wolves, lynxes and some of the biggest predators, even wild boars are bigger and can weight up to 450 pounds. On the west in Europe is another story, there is too much rules, too much gun control and all that, so for the hunters is a lot of harder to get a gun license... I don't know, but I am lucky to be on Eastern part where every hunting club makes own rules which is nice.. In my land, cities are pretty small, you have maybe 10 000 people in one city, so just take a rifle and go out, it doesn't matter if it is a private land or public land, just go out... You should see that once..

@edwardfinn4141 2 ай бұрын

That’s a great comment there local. 👍👍 Ed from Newfoundland

@PassivePortfolios 3 ай бұрын

The 30-06 with the 220 grain bullet is the poor man's 338 Win. Mag.

@Peter-od7op 3 ай бұрын

Use partion bullet

@Peter-od7op 3 ай бұрын

Ron your friend does no how to operate a bolt but not often

@TODinWY 3 ай бұрын

It killed an elephant for Eleanor O'Connor.

@TheLordsClay 2 ай бұрын

How does that read on the Tombstone ? "Poor Man Should have used a .338 Win Magnum instead of his 30-o6.." Most come from the school of THE LARGEST CALIBER YOU CAN POSSIBLY HANDLE... PREFER 460 WEATHERBY BUT CAN ONLY HANDLE .458 WIN MAGNUM.. BETTER SAFE THEN SORRY 😔

@PassivePortfolios 2 ай бұрын

@@TheLordsClay a bear hit with a 220 grain 30-06 or a 250 grain 338 Win. mag will not know the difference.

@bobkat1663 3 ай бұрын

Ron, wood has a sponge like absorbing property, and it goes up in dia. if that helps any?? One of my guides killed a bear with one shot with the 45-70 those cast bullets you guys mentioned. so I know it works. I did it all with a 270 Win. with Nosler Partitions. I have never had any experience with a slug gun on bears, so I can not comment, but all those other rifles will do the job easy. Some guns that really get over looked in this area are the 338 Federal, 338 Ack. Imp. , 358 Win. and the 35 Whelen. Great Show...

@denjikoby 3 ай бұрын

I totally agree with the 358 win out of a Browning BLR short action, fast handling, short barrel, 225 or 250gr hard cast or solid mono bullet. That's my go to when guiding in the interior of BC. We have a 7'2" record black bear on our bed from the interior. That's usually not seen unless its a costal bear. And a big one at that.

@Darth_Boons 3 ай бұрын

Black magic 3" slugs have been used on bears a few times I've read stories of it anyway. I'd love to see those shells tested.

@JoeZelensky 3 ай бұрын

Brenneke slugs are the best for smoothbore. For rifled Lightfield sabots are the best.

@leonhart2452 3 ай бұрын

Alot of posters mentioned cartrdges for hunting black bears, a few for grizzly. This thread was about bear stoppers. Cartridges that can stop a close quarters charging grizzly or brown bear.

@dalebenson6859 3 ай бұрын

I lived in Alaska for 30 years and during that time my only income was from Guiding fishing and guiding Brown bear or Yukon Moose hunts. If anyone believes those deer guns are Alaskan Brown bear or interior Grizzly guns, then surely you believe Elvis is alive and well and big foot is giving signed autographed photos at the local bar! Only the Weatherby 338 comes close to an Alaskan hunting gun the others absolutely I would not use them. I hunted often with a young man who was a soldier from the military base in Anchorage, so he got on that 45-70 fad then often as we are hunting, he found himself Highly restricted what the 45-70 was capable of shooting at because of the short range for a 45-70. Often over the years when we hunted together Tom was his name found himself using my 8mm-378 Weatherby Magnum to take down a Moose that was far out of range for the 45-70. Over the 5 years we hunted together only once Tom used his 45-70 to kill an animal and it was a Moose I had shot then we walked up to the Moose it tried to get up then Tom shot the moose with the 45-70, all the other times Tom killed a Moose or black bear and one Brown bear hunting with me the animals had been out of range for the 45-70 then Tom used whatever rifle I had on that day to take down the animal. People aren't going to take a walk in the woods with the intent on taking on a bear attack you will have with you the rifle you favor most often that is going to have to make do when your life is on the line.

@Vikingocazar 2 ай бұрын

I just watched Ron’s interview with Phil Shoemaker… I tell ya, yup, he got ‘er done with that 9mm, but man I just wonder how that would be on a frontally charging brown?

@dalebenson6859 2 ай бұрын

@@Vikingocazar I don't believe a single word of it all and I fond absolute lies from Schoemaker in that interview so tell one lie and anything after that I don't believe the person. I did contact assistant guide work for other guided like Schoemaker who lie because it is mentally rooted in their brains to tell lies about everything. The worst idiots I did assistant guide work for hunts in Alaska would be Neil Webster of Bear down adventures then Phil Driver who is so cheap he feeds clients and everyone on camp spoiled Moose meat from that past season then there was Billy a metal nut job living in Talkeetna Alaska who is a rude bustard and a pathetic liar. / Dealing with Billy and his unwarranted verbale assaults on me when I got out of his camp for a week break, I never went back to meet the next clients because no money is worth being belittled and verbally attacked on stupidity of Billys own ignorance. Bullys own hunting experiences has only been 10 years when I am 64 years old then grew up in a hunting family. Unfortunately, the guiding business is full of liars - crooks and people who can't make in a normal life.

@johnl5974 3 ай бұрын

You guys make for an enjoyable video to watch - thanks

@ratdaddy7774 3 ай бұрын

Would like to have seen what 3006 with a heavy swift a frame would do

@jwdundon 3 ай бұрын

Punch through. (At least my 06 with a Nosler partition would).

@wallacerose7499 3 ай бұрын

44 Remington mag in Rifle ! ?

@jwdundon 3 ай бұрын

@@wallacerose7499 oh hell no! When I was a kid a local shot a old black near with a 444 Marlin 4 times. (He ran out of ammunition IDIOT). ONE broke the bears jaw, one punched a lung, I think he missed the other 2. The bear could have easily killed him, instead it ran off and died 1/2 mile away. -- you really think a SMALLER 44 will kill? (Try it, if you want a Darwin award).

@Airon79 3 ай бұрын

@wallacerose7499 Yeah , I want to see the 44 mag , 357 mag , 9mm , 10mm , etc . PCC guns .

@jwdundon 3 ай бұрын

@@Airon79 I have those PCC rifles, they are all close end rifles. (They are seriously limited in range). We call them "range toys" for a reason, they are more TOY than utilitarian. (You can look up energy levels if your serious).

@allanarndt3047 3 ай бұрын

Hi guys! I’m really enjoying your bullet/cartridge/rifle comparison & now firing into that maple! I had done a lot of the same type testing when I hand loaded all my ammo. I hunted everything from squirrel to black bear & at one point I had a .458 Socom I used for my thick cover deer rifle. If I remember correctly I pushed a 300-325 grain TTSX or Hornady all copper Flex tip to 1,890 FPS out of a 16” AR-15 rifle,very close to the 45-70 w/20” barrel! My thought was with that caliber/bullet/rifle combination it would make the perfect guide backup gun to follow up on a wounded bear or to stop a big bears charge! Talk about fire power,a standard 30 rd. .223 mag. held TEN .458 Socom rds.. A light,short easy to swing brush gun with TEN 300-600 grain bullets ready as fast as you can pull the trigger with the power of a 45-70! With my rifle I installed a good muzzle break,changed the buffer & spring so it shot fast & never malfunctioned! I shot a number of deer at different angles & all were thru & thru! I too love the bolt guns but the AR-15 in .458 Socom really impressed me. I think it would you as well. Can’t beat the speed of an auto loader!

@foonus406 2 ай бұрын

Used to own a Marlin 45-70. when I was new to bear hunting I fell for the 'Hornady Hype" and loaded the 325Gr FTX bullets in there... don't make that mistake. As with most of Hornady's lineup the X might as well stand for explosive. Terrible results over a bait setup.. would definitely avoid these in your 45-70 for anything but deer. Stick with the cast bullets. I eventually sold the thing and moved to a Beretta 1310 semi auto shotty with a 7 slug loadout. You can empty that whole magazine with that blink action in under a couple seconds compared to a lever or bolt action, and no stupid muzzle brake to force you into wearing ear protection all hunt.

@anthonyboatright6960 3 ай бұрын

Beautiful country.

@sylviajones3355 3 ай бұрын

We need a bear "meat target'.

@jfess1911 3 ай бұрын

Those are called bears.😀

@whoshotashleybabbitt4924 3 ай бұрын

Paul Harrell is smiling.

@jfess1911 3 ай бұрын

@@whoshotashleybabbitt4924 The strore was out of pork ribs, so I decided t substitute a bear. So far in my testing, the biggest problem problem has been getting the bear to wear the high-tech fleece bullet stop.

@BeetleBuns 3 ай бұрын

@@jfess1911did you try trading it some picanic baskets?

@jfess1911 3 ай бұрын

@@BeetleBuns Sorry, it didn't occur to me. To be honest, the hat and collar that held a necktie had me flummoxed. That certainly was no average bear, I can tell you that much!

@georgezink8256 3 ай бұрын

Small diameter 708is like my 17 Remington with Berger 25 grain buckets at 4300 fps will go through 1 inch cold rolled steel and 7 mm Remington magnum only dents it !! This was done at northern Chester gun club witnessed by 9 other shooters? And that day 7 of 9 shooters went to gun store in phoenixville pa. Bough 17 Remington Remington model 700 rifles

@davybarr5919 3 ай бұрын

One of the most fun videos I’ve watched in a while. Thanks so much!

@dannyvision730 3 ай бұрын

The pioneers with one shot MZ's had some brass ones ... Imagine 30 mph claws and teeth...

@davidneal6920 3 ай бұрын

Seriously you are the man! Handled that 458 well!!

@roperbrad93 3 ай бұрын

Logs are much more dense than grizzly meat and muscle any of these caliber's with proper shot placement

@Mickster71 3 ай бұрын

Really enjoyed this... All the best from the OLD WORLD 🇬🇧

@buckaroobonsi555 3 ай бұрын

I am a 300WM fan boy and will admit my bias. A 300WM loaded hot with a heavy well constructed bullet just for bear with other ammo for all your other hunting needs is a bear stopper. The 300WM can be found with Nosler Partitions, Swift A-Frames, Barnes TSX fairly easily. I can gurantee as someone that has used 300WM to hunt everything I legaly can hunt on this Earth with it and for long range competition that since 1995 that a 180gr. factory loaded partition ammo will equal or outperformt he 338Whrby RPM with the 180gr.

@golfnolsen 3 ай бұрын

Good ol’boys just having fun! Great video 👍👍

@Peter-od7op 3 ай бұрын

So happy to see you operate a bolt the correct way ty

@saigudbai 3 ай бұрын

I like my Tikka T3X Battue Light. 30-06, 20"barrell, Open sights for backup, 1-4 trijicon scope on QRW rings. 13 round magazine, 220 grain max loaded Nosler Partitions.

@michaelwilson9986 3 ай бұрын

Excellant point n advice on eyes n open sights.

@ryanevans90 3 ай бұрын

Great show of practice makes perfect!

@tywiltse6390 3 ай бұрын

I'd be quite content with a 300 Win Mag, 7mm Rem Mag or the 7 PRC, either of them with a long heavy density buttet. Ron, I'm waiting for you to bring out one of your treasured 7mm Rem Mags or your 280AI. Great video, fellas.

@MikeHSmith36 3 ай бұрын

Great video ALL!

@fatjeezussouthtexasoutdoor5244 3 ай бұрын

An ar15 chambered in 50beowulf would be an ideal bear protection rifle..... Bullet weights from 275grain HP's to 700grain hardcast and you have 5-10 rounds in tap plus spare mags.....it could even do double duty as a 100yard hunting rifle.

@daveyboy728 3 ай бұрын

I didn’t realise the 50 beo came in 700 grains

@jasonshults368 3 ай бұрын

Hard not to like that kind of fire power if facing a charging bear.

@patchitwood7428 3 ай бұрын

Great job as usual, guys!

@foonus406 2 ай бұрын

Some good points but one was overlooked.. that 338 and the bigger chamberings with the muzzle brakes.. Would you rather have that 7-08 and be able to hear the bear running for you at 10 yards, or would you rather be forced to spend your entire hunt wearing uncomfortable ear protection needed for the muzzle brake and not hear the bear (or whatever you are hunting) in the bush until he is on top of you.

@user-uw6rt1zs2f 3 ай бұрын

Shot through and pine tree that was about 16in with and 375h&h and 270gr rem core loke. Found the bullet in a leef right behind the tree that was so hot it was turning the water to steam. Nice to see you use the recoil from that 458 to help run the bolt. I use the same technique when shooting my 375HH... fun stuff makes me want to go to the range....

@mikerobinson6606 3 ай бұрын

Ron survived the charging maple log.

@LBrawn 3 ай бұрын

outstanding video, guys. i have seen many others similar, but none done so well.

@daig54 2 ай бұрын

"This feel pretty good, not as bad as I expected" 🤣

@20cameron1 3 ай бұрын

Results don’t represent what any of those loads would do to a bear. Those shotgun slugs need to be Brenneke black magic.

@Stewart7516 3 ай бұрын

Yes, that's what I use.

@HaroldTheSloth 3 ай бұрын

My parents used to live in eastern PA, deep in black bear country, with black bears frequently walking through their yard and around the house. Dad always kept a shotgun with 12 ga Winchester rifled slugs for the express purpose of bear defense. After seeing this, I'm happy he never needed to use it. I never knew penetration would be so poor with 12 ga slugs, but it makes sense that slugs would behave this way given the diameter and pressures behind them.

@Stewart7516 3 ай бұрын

Remember thats a Maple log they are shooting, the penetration is much deeper on flesh and bone. We use them (12ga) all the time here in Alaska for bear protection at the fishing hole or around camp.

@johnshields9110 2 ай бұрын

This testing reminds me of testing our deer rifles down on the family farm. My Dad got so mad at my brothers and I shooting up fence posts. That 185X mono bullet did great on expansion and penetration. More premium bullets do make a differece, it seems. I sometimes wonder if the 45-70 bullets have enough velocity? I bought a 375 Mag years ago and I think it would still be what I'd choose; 25 to 200 yards.

@Kurtdog63 3 ай бұрын

.416 Rigby seems to be king of the penetrators.

@sylviajones3355 3 ай бұрын

Kentucky Ballistics always gets insane penetration through just about everything with the .416 Rigby.

@Kurtdog63 3 ай бұрын

@@sylviajones3355 I think one of his videos showed it going thru THREE or FOUR blocks of ballistic gel longways! Something about the physics regarding weight, velocity, the most efficient diameter of bullet. There are other calibers that shoot with similar velocity and bullet weight, but they don't penetrate as well.

@donwyoming1936 3 ай бұрын

Love the 416 Rigby. All that performance without ridiculous high pressures.

@andrewcleveland 2 ай бұрын

Shot through some large diameter trees with the 416 rem mag. Not even the normal heavy 400 gr bullets, I was using the 300 and 350 grain bullets I use for deer. The 416’s just are known for extremely deep straight line penetration. Wonderful bullet diameter

@hakokiri3627 3 ай бұрын

lol, you guys were having too much fun!!!

@johnbunch6006 3 ай бұрын

You know I remember that Ron wrote an article on this very same subject and said that a Kimber Montana with sights, shortened barrel, and in 300 WIN MAG was the ultimate. I find it interesting that that wasn’t brought up.

@caseymelick8023 3 ай бұрын

You worked that 70 like a boss. Congraduations.

@randymathewson7939 3 ай бұрын

On some of those shows like Alaska State Troopers, & Alaska DNR Game Wardens. They showed and talked about their weapons. They used Brenekke slugs in their shotguns, for penetration, they stated. Makes sense to me. I realize it's a deer, but growing up in a shotgun only state I often shot through stem to stern with exits on whitetail. And once years ago we had a Brahma steer get loose and go crazy. Very aggressive had to put it down before it hurt someone. I put 5 lead pumpkin ball Foster style slugs into it. Stayed on its feet and was pissed off. Went to the Brenneke's. Didn't kill it, or exit but instantly took it to its knees and I was able to finish it off. After some more lead. That animal actually scared me. Anyway if Alaska is issuing Brenekke, there must be something to that.

@catherineharris4746 3 ай бұрын

💡Shot placement is key every single time💥👍

@coreystoner4129 3 ай бұрын

My personal choice for black bears in my home state of pa is any 30 cal. I picked up a model 70 in 300 win mag for a elk hunt but it’s going to be my bear gun. I almost got a 400 pounder last year but my 308 and a tough time with the mountain laurel.

@borisbuliak3626 Ай бұрын

This last two episodes were a lot of 🤩

@tonkatank045 3 ай бұрын

Velocity is a power multiplier. Not surprised that the high velocity round penetrated better

@HobbitHomes263 Ай бұрын

an old boy over in Deer Lodge makes his own slugs. He pours a 12 ga hardcast lead cylinder. He chucks those up in a lathe and drills a 0.375 inch hole dead center and press fits a pointed tungsten rod. the whole unit weighs 2 1/4 oz and gets loaded into a 3.5 inch case. I don't know what kind of velocity he gets but he says he shot one at an abandoned wheel loader. It made a big dent in the 1 inch steel. the lead splattered but the pin passed thru the bucket, the tire behind the bucket and lodged half its lenght in the wheel. I didnt see it but Ive known him to be a man of long windy yarns

@brandiwynter 3 ай бұрын

Pretty effective, I don't have any of those so I'd probably carry my .50 Beowulf with 350 grain solid brass spitzers for bear defense. I don't know but I can't imagine a big shrugging them off. I don't know how fast the semi auto shots would be in comparison to the bolt actions and lever guns. I've never tried the Ron Spomer "big bear log" drill with mine. I've heard multiple people say that the .450 Bushmaster, .458 socom and .50 Beowulf aren't powerful enough for bear defense but they are fairly similar to a .45-70 but in semi auto so not sure I believe them.

@curtishunter6725 3 ай бұрын

That Winchester is a mule kicker

@curtishunter6725 3 ай бұрын

I've got a model 70 in a 264 mag it will kick ya like a mule

@InTheYear 3 ай бұрын

Bazooka

@andrewboore3899 3 ай бұрын

I have a model 70 in .375h&h and it's a big heavy rifle with a big heavy barrel. Gives a nice almost gentle push instead of a kick to the nuts.

@oldschoolhomesteadfarm2683 3 ай бұрын

I have a winchester model 70 300 win mag looking to shoot like that 😂

@andrewcleveland 2 ай бұрын

I have the Winchester model 70 safari in 416 rem mag. It’s a good weight with a good sized barrel on it. Shooting standing really isn’t that bad, but 20 plus rounds on the bench for load development gets a little rough lol.

@willbaum7140 3 ай бұрын

depending on the kind of bear of course right? I took my .270WSM to BC for a spot and stalk Black Bear hunt. 2 shots of 140gr Winchester Failsafe anchored my 6'7" squared bear. He made it about 30 yrds

@user-po9hy9th7w 3 ай бұрын

... on that last axe swing Ron looked like he was getting ready to stroke out ... good thing the log split

@ianmccutcheon6319 3 ай бұрын

Well that was an interesting exercise . Some good bear medicine was tested. Ron , you sure live in some nice country out there.

@user-sz7oq9qk3e 3 ай бұрын

I have worked with wood for decades, in and out of the forest in respect to logging and wood construction. Although interesting and a somewhat reasonable comparative, the Maple log contains what we call "Spore Rot" in portions of the log. I could see it when it was split. The log should have been a reasonable newly cut piece and much more square on each end for even stacking. Paint lines or stripes vertically and numbered should have been on both pieces of log for re-alignment each time. Also numbering for ease of alignment. Although as I said, interesting by comparison to calibers, the procedure was not thought through very well.

@johncmitchell4941 3 ай бұрын

Great collab on this one, guys. 👍 "Maybe later" I could bring up 9.3x 62mm for coastal bears, while mine (CZ 550 American) isn't likely to make it to Africa in my lifetime. 😢 Also, Ron made me laugh when he mentioned 'old eyes'. IMO a good wing-shooter or rabbit hunter would also shoot first and think later as he clearly demonstrated. Alternately and on a close/charging shot I'd want a 1x optic that I was used shooting with both eyes open. 😉

@mollybug9325 3 ай бұрын

Funny I have a 338 win mag with Barnes XLC bullets 185 grain, that are running at 3400 fps. Recipe from the Barnes reloading manual. Out of my Ruger mark ll, that is still my go to for elk & bear. Too bad they stopped the blue coating.

@orr89rocz 3 ай бұрын

Hot ticket would be that 338 rpm and mount a small rmr type redot on top of the scope for close range stuff, use the long range scope for far shots

@jeffreylocke8808 3 ай бұрын

That 7mm-08 with 160 A-frame really penetrated that log well. And that the log did not move so penetration was better.

@4xhoser 3 ай бұрын

cool vid! Ron’s a right handed shot but left handed axe swing? Neat

@jeffreylocke8808 3 ай бұрын

WDM Bell used full metal jacket round nose 7mm 175 grain bullets to brain many of his ivory carrying pachyderms. Not surprised of the 7mm-08 using a 160 grain A-frame.

@davidsammut335 3 ай бұрын

So right about old eyes ron

@ccfdmd 3 ай бұрын

Yeah, I put a red dot on my 12G this year

@blackie1of4 3 ай бұрын

How dare you guys allow the women and childrens cartridge win the penetration test! A lot of gun writers painted the 7mm-08 Remington into a corner! Great for women and young hunters.. they've wrote!!! Which is nonsense.. I wouldn't call it a bear cartridge.. but its a great deer cartridge! My personal favorite whitetail cartridge! PS.. the video definitely proves how important bullet selection is 😊

@IRishbuck58 3 ай бұрын

Awesome video

@ChristianGustafson 3 ай бұрын

The new B&T chambered in 1.0, with an integrated suppressor.

@rexrodecolt 3 ай бұрын

Ohhhhh, Thank yall!!

@Extra_Ordinary_Gary 3 ай бұрын

The thing about super hard things, speed and small diameter (high sectional density) penetrates. Look at armor piercing with 5.7 or the old 22-250 vs 30-06 steel plate anecdote. I think maple falls into that category by looking at these results

@alt5494 3 ай бұрын

Half mass times velocity squared is the equation for energy. Velocity has four times the effect of mass. Low velocity extreme mass is a obsolete solution to cast lead bullets.

@rexrodecolt 3 ай бұрын

Ron I think you have a secondary spokesperson for you, channell,company,and legacy. I'm just saying. Joesph speaks up!

@denjikoby 3 ай бұрын

How would a. 358 winchester do with a 250 grain hard cast bullet or a solid copper? It has about 50 ft/lbs more energy than the 45-70 with the 500 gr bullet but it's traveling a hair over 900 ft/second faster than the 45 70 hard cast. Follow up shots out of the Browning Lever action would help with follow up shots, lower recoil than everything you tried except for the 7mm-08 and you can use spire points with the all copper. That is if they make a all copper, spire point in 250 gr. That I'm not sure of.

@whoshotashleybabbitt4924 3 ай бұрын

I feel the best bullets for bear defence are belt fed. Packing around a GPMG is a pain in the ass though. 😂

@tristantimothy1004 3 ай бұрын

This was just too cool! Couple of big kids opening Christmas gifts. 😁

@e.miller8943 3 ай бұрын

The log is not moving. It is not trying to kill you. If a bear were charging me I would want a semi-auto for followup shots and not having to work a bolt.

@ShockerMain2124 3 ай бұрын

Where's that 300 win mag AR?

@georgesakellaropoulos8162 3 ай бұрын

@@ShockerMain2124Noreen has it.

@BeetleBuns 3 ай бұрын

Bear Creek Arsenal makes one, seems pretty nice

@66smithra 3 ай бұрын

Semi autos are illegal in many states for big game. Also it’s much easier to get lots of power in a bolt gun.

@ZacharyNWare 3 ай бұрын

Mass and diameter has been used to stop big fangs and sharp claws for a few hundred years.

@buckaroobonsi555 3 ай бұрын

Not only that but hotter than SAAMI is also a plus!

@troy9477 22 күн бұрын

Good demo. I will probably never hunt bears, or much of anything else, but it is good to know that 7mm A Frame penetrates so well. I am planning to get a 7mm-08 for my next rifle, just because, and i still want a 45-70. From the reserch i have done, 260 gr seems to be about the heaviest practical weight for the 7mm-08. Most likely the 173-175 are a little long and intrude into the powder space. It would be fun to use some for steel and other targets though, to channel my inner Karamojo Bell. Just a thought: that 12 ga slug probably needs a different shape. At its weight, it is probably going only about 1400 fps or so. Making it a little more streamlined, maybe a shape like a Keith SWC, might help it penetrate better. The flat nose and the shoulder would give it some shocking power. Just a thought. Most handgun hunters swear by them. The shape would probably lighten the slug a bit too, and give it a little more velocity.

@HookLineSinger 3 ай бұрын

Welp. That looked FUN!! Surprised by that 7-08 zipping thru the maple. Curious as to what made you choose that round relative to the other behemoths.

@jongutierrez9116 3 ай бұрын

Would mounting an offset redot help during those emergency CQB situations?

@robbieandbeckie 3 ай бұрын

The 7mm-08 is such a fantastic cartridge.

@andymsmith 3 ай бұрын

Is the hard cast round nose buffalo 35 rimington a bear stopper as buffalo states that this round will take elk and moose.

@antonlueker9648 3 ай бұрын

Need high speed camera with high frame capture rate to get the video evidence you need. Cool stuff though, enjoy your videos and testing

@jongutierrez9116 3 ай бұрын

Would mounting an offset red dot help during an emergency CQB situation?

@randylong8156 2 ай бұрын

Wish you guys would run a test on the 348 winchester

@RM-ub1xd 3 ай бұрын

That Model 70 ejection is beautiful.

@DrBreezeAir 3 ай бұрын

.338 Win Mag was kinda represented by the .338 Wby Mag. Also, they're "Solid Steel Slugs", not solid "Steal", I think.

@jackrose7261 3 ай бұрын

Quick question Ron. Going Javelina hunting this February what gun should I use out of 223,6.5 Grendel,7mm08,or 270 Winchester

@HobbitHomes263 Ай бұрын

I was testing some bear rifles the other day. I don't know if it was the rifles or the loads but before I finished testing, I flat ran out of bears

@MrTacklebury 3 ай бұрын

I don't like hard cast in the .45-70. I use Honady 350 gr. RNFP and holds together a bit better. Wood isn't really a good simulation substrate. lol

@ErikHenrichsen 3 ай бұрын

How would 7.92x57 Mauser score in this exercise? Full power load, .323 diameter heavy bullet of the proper construction for the task. I have no plans to go into bear country, but I’d like your thoughts on this old war horse.