BBC Breakfast 20th December 2011. Pete Waterman and Elaine Constantine discuss Northern Soul. Elaine's film looks very promising and authentic, the music choices are great and I can hardly wait to see it.
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@Zebred20018 жыл бұрын
As a North American (and lifelong Soul fan) I had never heard of "Northern Soul" until the odd reference would pop up in KZfaq comments (and I'm ethnically English!). This always puzzled me. This scene didn't really exist over here. We owe these English fans a debt as through their efforts many obscure (and great) songs were revived for new audiences. I just watched the movie Northern Soul last night and found many many songs I'll be listening to for years (none hits). It's interesting that this music was developed to a great deal in the northern U.S. industrial cities and found new fertile ground for audiences in northern British industrial cities.
@frankainsworth268612 жыл бұрын
Hey Pete! I was a cabinet maker and there wasn't one miner in our posse AND there were plenty of girls too! :) I can't wait for this to hit the screens after watching most of the 'dance clubs' Elaine and her team have put on for the 'kids' (yes Elaine they are) to give the film a real air of authenticity.
@kdeeuk12 жыл бұрын
is northern soul making a comeback ? never died out m8 keep the faith
@hertssoulgirl12 жыл бұрын
Well done Elaine, let people see all your hard work and how great the dancers are ktf k x
@flyerh10 ай бұрын
It’s now the biggest scene on the planet with a massive following in Japan.
@redstar72925 жыл бұрын
It was because northerners had hard lives, few prospects except factory work. So they just lived for the weekend where they could dance on dexys and bombers all night. I remember well, bands influenced by Northern Soul, like Dexy's Midnight Runners - and Marc Almond - so it was good to see Elaine's film and get the back ground and the references.
@scarthogirl11 жыл бұрын
you just made me smile there deffo no mines in Cleethorpe as l went myself thanks for the smile
@lankytwang12 жыл бұрын
Love the way he said it was a male scene ! An affront to all us girls out there.Hard to believe he had any appreciation of the scene at all.
@squirrell5712 жыл бұрын
good post, missed it this morning...
@TheSoulTwins11 жыл бұрын
So whilst you lable drwatson's comments as 'snobbery' etc - as an 'older' soul fan myself I completely understand his pov. Having said that and to be fair to 'younger' NS fans such as yourself - I sense that you possibly share the same passion and love for the music that we did in our day. That's great and it's good to see NS is still alive (and thriving) to this day! But it's an absolute tragedy that there's little appreciation for how NS first began and of the people who were part of that.
@99wardie11 жыл бұрын
I always struggled to find dance floor space at the Casino...all those Wigan miners, leaving their pickaxes, Davy lamps and pies everywhere, coming off a hard shift underground to dance all-night,
@TheSoulTwins11 жыл бұрын
Totally agree Dave! As an early teen and devoted soul fan I clearly recall hearing about legendary venues such as 'Oldhll Plaza', 'Up the Junction' Crewe and the 'Golden Torch Ballroom' Stoke from mine and my brother's best friend's older brother. He was a post-mod/smoothie and greatly influenced our taste for ("uptempo") soul music - it wasn't even referred to as NS back then! He was a very smart, trendy guy (studying to be a lawyer) and our 'hero'. Waterman's 'miner' reference is total BS!!
@rooie1611 жыл бұрын
I would hazard a guess that the film will premiere in September or October, given that the accompanying book is being published in the first week of September. I've pre-ordered my copy already!
@TheSoulTwins10 жыл бұрын
Mmmm - whilst I appreciate some of your points, in general I can't agree with your overall argument. To repeat, NS was never the same post-75 and DID demise for many of us original NS fans who were lucky enough to experience the best time for NS (early 70's). I and my brother, Dr Watson and countless others we knew left the scene completely between 75-76 as the new 'breed' of fans jumped on the bandwagon. That's fact. I'm happy that you found NS - but believe me, you missed the best of it!
@57dogsbody5 жыл бұрын
'Fraid you're spot on. In fact I would say it all started to go down the tubes as early as late'74. Pop records, coach loads of idiots chewing caffeine pills etc. Before that it was brilliant, but Russ killed the goose that laid the golden egg.That's why you have a crowd of fools all bleating "ktf" and thinking records like "that's not love" are soul records, not the (piss poor) pop they really are.
@paulhunt32383 жыл бұрын
"Jump on the banwagon"
@drwhatson11 жыл бұрын
@AskfPJVE - The story of the early NS scene is the history of my own youth and that of my friends. We resent the way it has been distorted by the "Post-Footsie Generation" to airbrush the facts to suit their own limited experiences. Most of us older fans were well into Motown and wider aspects of Soul music - that's to say when the North had a genuine SOUL scene, not just a pathetic "Oooh, I went to Wigan - play Judy Street! (KTF)" nostalgia society.
@emotionalsobriety21125 жыл бұрын
Was at the Casino in 1977 and 1978. I did not like the way Waterman hijacked the interview. he was not accurate saying it was for men only to dance. Within our group from Keighley, there were women, as there were from towns and cities throughout the UK, Halifax, Bradford, Leeds, Manchester, Leeds, ect, ect.
@Ricardo09126112 жыл бұрын
Can' wait to see the film. The music is awesome. KTF. Saw a clip from a programme 'Something Else'. Does anybody know if they are showing it on the Beeb soon. Would love to see it.
@TheSoulTwins11 жыл бұрын
To conclude - drwatson is simply stating that any historical 'look-back' carries much more authority and gravitas if the people who were actually there at the time are used as references. Sources such as Pete Waterman, Mick Hucknall, Elaine Constantine et al WERE NOT - but because they are (well?) known their opinions are considered as 'factual' and binding. Moreover, these opinions are largely based on a totally different period in the NS 'story' - which greatly differs to its true origins.
@TheSoulTwins10 жыл бұрын
It may not have seemed a 'demise' to you - but it definitely was for NS fans of my generation. (and this happened long before Wigan closed!) In fact, it all started to die the moment Wigan Casino opened its doors to the TV cameras. I was there that night and it was absolutely horrid - I and many others I knew never went to Wigan again. For us, NS had lost its true 'underground' status and entered the mainstream. What word would you use to describe seeing something you loved & treasured end?
@yogihaughton764611 жыл бұрын
When is the bloody film coming out? Been waiting for ever.
@neilwilliams874110 жыл бұрын
me paul agree mate i went 77 [rhyl youth club] missed the cameras but my older brother said it quenched the scene nowadays its tourist spray tans scowlers[mid 30 women ]and gossipers [i was with a rochdale girl met at prestatyn heavy bloody metal fan i used to say the scenes changed when i went it was working class bouncers football hools brickies miners]she said its not tough scene its middle classs clueless and no idea time machine ktf to the itk lot
@TheSoulTwins11 жыл бұрын
In support of drwatson - I think you are slightly missing the point. NS was an almost totally 'undergound' culture - with devoted 'soul' fans that had moved on from the mostly commercial Tamla-Motown, Stax/Altlantic etc tracks of the time. As a result many of us were overly protective of this 'scene' and fought hard to keep it 'underground'. This all changed with Wigan - which whilst great in its first year (Sept '73-74) brought unwanted (media) attention and led to the 'real' NS scene's demise
@simonprice19384 жыл бұрын
Oh so because you born at "the right time."!!!!! It was yours by birth right. And no one else is allowed to enjoy it.... ffs EVERYTHING THAT'S WRONG WITH THE N.S scene.. Arrogant bastard.
@lankytwang12 жыл бұрын
Plenty of girls from Blackpool- still see most of them and not a miner in sight. !
@eddieMurphy1111111 жыл бұрын
just had to view this again ,and they never mentioned the torch where it all began
@57dogsbody5 жыл бұрын
Probably because it didn't begin at the Torch.It had been going for years b4 the Torch opened. Bletsoe, the Wheel and numerous all night r&b clubs in the south and midlands were paving the way in the '60s.
@owenmullarkey1244 жыл бұрын
Pete's a gobshite, freeloader he proved himself with kylie minogue. Torch and the morgue and the wheel. What aprick, widnes guy ive not heard anyone talking about the Carlton warrington, that was the warm up club before you got the last train to Manchester whitworth street.
@italodiscorevival10 жыл бұрын
Easy to see why acid house took off in the way it did up there...
@TheSoulTwins11 жыл бұрын
The point drwatson is (quite rightly) making is that a LOT of the focus on NS is based on Wigan post '75. (when many of the true NS fans had left). The NS scene we left behind was full of 'tourists/sightseers' who came along to see what all the fuss was about and had little (real) love or knowledge of the music and its origins. Thankfully, many of these people didn't stay long - but it's very frustrating to hear their distorted and unrealistic comments on NS used as fact by the popular press.
@57dogsbody5 жыл бұрын
You're absolutely right. I wish more people could see that. The thing that is really sad is that these "experts" have made a really great youth movement look ridiculous.
@simonprice19384 жыл бұрын
So post 75 they left....... only to come back decades later to watered down shit nights.... jeez you couldn't make it up... nostalgia ain't what it was,its a thing of the past..... well and truly the past
@francoz879511 жыл бұрын
good question yogi, when is it coming out?????????
@Bagzyb11 жыл бұрын
Yep, that just about covers it
@STEPASAUR10 жыл бұрын
Bizarre, on one hand you've got Pete Waterman waxing lyrical about the old soul days next to a woman who WAS there explaining the need for more soul in music next to Pete Waterman who like the Cowell of his time was plenty responsible for removing us from that very soul in the first place, stick to your toy trains hack
@tonydam11 жыл бұрын
Hmm
@neilwilliams874110 жыл бұрын
dave sulas with respect how would you know how waterman looked like lol behave a mate of mine casino regular said he,d recognised who went bollocks 35 years later ...he was right about the mining ,working class scene when i went late 70,s it was ktf
@Bagzyb12 жыл бұрын
Oh right so I must have being hallucinating ( possible wink wink lol ) when I saw all those gorgeous girls at dayers and nighters,
@kezzer211 жыл бұрын
Blacks and whites dancing,enough said...........groundbreaking music,then Ska,love it.......Im white.....is it important?
@drwhatson11 жыл бұрын
Pete Waterman was never a "Northern Soul DJ" - he was an ordinary pop DJ in Coventry who played the occasional Northern tune, mainly bootlegs and whatever UK releases were available, as many ordinary pop DJs did. True, he was a bit of a Soul fan - mainly commercial Philly and Motown, but had no influence on the underground Northern club scene whatsoever and knows no more than he read in B&S mag. Elaine Constantine knows even less as she was far too young to have been around.
@owenmullarkey1244 жыл бұрын
Your right pete never dropped a bluey or a bomber in his life never seen the inside of the twisted wheel, morgue or the torch, too busy pouring out shite with kylie minogue in warrington with that makalie Strachan bird. And the other guy from Newtown le willows.
@Genghis-Khan12110 жыл бұрын
soul twins got it spot on!! i was also there when the cameras came in and i have to agree from then on it lost its underground status , today its all about wanting to be someone a face on that scene , hence this shit books films training dancers lol its lost its true values , so Elaine when you first got in to it 1976 makes you just 10 or 11 years old
@edge78a11 жыл бұрын
Avo surry,dunna fret bite folk not undstandin Stokie dialect,conna elp it,arn kno wot the docs onna bite n arv gorra lorra respect fer im theer,ayz got rayt gud knoledge me duck. Thee iz wot thee iz, arn tue n proud o mar eritage n wer arn comm frum n also proud o mar soul background since '72. Thee cun tek the mon ite o Stoke but ya conna tek the Stoke ite the mon.
@kezzer211 жыл бұрын
It was about intergration.not men and women,Black and White......Northerners,dont preach.......read up mate.I was there.be advised.Not sure what your on about.
@davewolves284811 жыл бұрын
pete waterman never said nothing about the places in the west midlands and staffordshire there again he comes from a place were you never hear about northern soul that shit hole coventry so whats he know about it and that miners kack he is on about i have never seen any miners at northern nights , There was lots here in west mids and staffs they were in bed at 10 30 pist up on banks s mild and northern soul is for every one not stereo types [ miners]] soulin since 1973
@1423stuart9 жыл бұрын
why does an underground scene need exploiting with yet another crap film,pretty much as shane meddows did with that other academy award winning this is England,haha unadulterated shite,