Rope seals!?? Why a Piece of Old Rope is the Best thing for your Engine

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4 жыл бұрын

Ho do you fit a rope seal to stop oil leaking in a 77 year old engine? It seems surprising but some times the old ways are the best!
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@thedolt3367 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent series of videos. Please keep it up!

@scarface-39 3 жыл бұрын

Nice video, I’m fixing to put seals on a continental F140!!! Flathead 4 cylinder 👍🇺🇸

@5esk 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for telling me everything in detail :) I'm from Russia

@Greendot319 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@m38_depotharold12 4 жыл бұрын

I have never seen a rope seal installed, I'm sure it is now a lost art of installing one correctly. This was a good video!!!

@Greendot319 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for that I appreciate it, it's a simple process but rewarding when done properly ;)

@robertcostello4921 3 жыл бұрын

I learned that lesson the hard way.used the new improved seal the parts store recommended. It lasted less than a hour.had to take motor out.dissemble. bottom of motor. pull out crank.the seal looked too small.put in a rope seal old one too.nobody really knew how to put one in.this was before the internet.found a older mechanic that knew about it.i. put it in and no leaks.i have the jeep over 20 years and no leak.another story for the trans and transfer case.

@timblack6422 3 жыл бұрын

Rope seals are typically the best

@l.kanime1004 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent ! good job

@Greendot319 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, glad you like it

@kenshobby5191 4 жыл бұрын

I enjoyed the video and it's looking good!

@Greendot319 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@tileman17 4 жыл бұрын

I love the opening ok .ok ,hmm,WTF

@MikeBaxterABC 4 жыл бұрын

Love the editing and close up shots, bravo! :0) ... When I was Millwrighting we still used rope seals in some industrial equipment, the old style rope seals have some advantages in severe use environments.

@Greendot319 4 жыл бұрын

They suit the old applications they were designed for very well. Thanks for the comments on editing, I'll try and keep it up.

@tileman17 4 жыл бұрын

yes good editing good close-ups ,now just drop the music and its perfect, I just can't deal with bad editing music

@Greendot319 4 жыл бұрын

@@tileman17 thanks, very difficult to do edits like that without music, silent cuts dont work. I'm not a great fan of the music but it mostly fits the subject and what I am aiming for (and is copyright free) so it is what I've used. If you are able to find some suitable creative commons music then please let me know! Cheers matt

@MikeBaxterABC 4 жыл бұрын

@@tileman17 Music is a personal choice .. I liked it!

@recon20671 4 жыл бұрын

Great job

@Greendot319 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I appreciate it!

@focus82grothm.84 4 жыл бұрын

A truly excellent informative video 😊👍

@Greendot319 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks much appreciated!

@focus82grothm.84 4 жыл бұрын

@@Greendot319 You're Welcome 😊

@johndoe43 Жыл бұрын

I have the rope in the 225 v6 engines and I like them also.

@bikesqump 4 жыл бұрын

I helped my dad put those in a jaguar ss100 straight 6 many years ago, apparently he taught me the right way!

@Greendot319 4 жыл бұрын

Awesome, did it leak??!

@bikesqump 4 жыл бұрын

Greendot 319 it was oil tight while we had it, he sold it in the 90's tho.

@donaldgray2128 4 жыл бұрын

I always put a little bit of sealer on the mating faces of the rope for extra guarantee

@autophyte 4 жыл бұрын

Rope seals are good. For a split seal they are light years ahead of neoprene ones, in my opinion. They still were using them on the Holden V8. And that is an engine that produces considerably more power and revs than a jeep. But they have to be really deeply seated in the groove. And, most importantly, the excess bits of the seal which stick out after the seal has been crushed down,should be trimmed off, otherwise, the cap will not seat down fully on the block, and this is usually not noticed. Oil will leak out the crack, no matter how small, and most importantly, the cap will not be fully seated, possibly causing failure down the line. Here is a video on fitting such a seal to a Holden V8. I personally, wouldn't dimple the inner surface, but on a high revving, high output engine these engineers obviously found it necessary. But note the heavy steel bar of crankshaft diameter used with a big hammer to fully seat the seal. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/obmBis-f26etkn0.html

@Greendot319 4 жыл бұрын

Great info many thanks!

@Wanous-hv7zo 4 жыл бұрын

Rope seals are easy to install and have them not leak. I have done many of them

@ralphh.2200 4 жыл бұрын

Matt, a first rate video on the NOS rope RMS & it's installation.This original design is more than adequate for the L-134 engine. With timely oil changes-using conventional oil-it is safe to say they will not leak.Good job!

@Greendot319 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks much appreciated and good observations, they're a great seal, just need 5 minutes of work to fit properly!

@KeninMT 4 жыл бұрын

A dab of Permatex #2 is good on the parting surfaces and rope seal ends.

@Greendot319 4 жыл бұрын

Yes, I put a bit on ;)

@geneard639 2 жыл бұрын

I do know that the rope seal is made of hemp fiber. The A-7 Corsair II had a few seals that could be modern synthetic, rope or leather seals. A few aircraft at the end got rope or leather seals.. Airframes were chuffed to actually get to use them.

@MrJeep75 4 жыл бұрын

They supposed to stick out a bit so they seal on corners

@wfravel18 4 жыл бұрын

I bought a new rubber RMS on ebay that claimed to work. I will check tolerances as I'm pulling engine to work on things.

@Greendot319 4 жыл бұрын

I think most of the bad seals are gone these days so dont worry about using a newer style seal, if you have a more worn/damaged crank sealing surface then maybe a rope seal is the way to go but if it's nice then a modern seal will be no problem ;)

@aboyandhisdog 4 жыл бұрын

On the weight discrepancy of the connecting rods...would you maybe want to measure the weight with the pistons and rings connected? Maybe put the lightest pistons on the heaviest rods before you begin grinding?

@Greendot319 4 жыл бұрын

I'm not going to be grinding Tom. I dont think you can remove over 100grams from a rod and piston of this size. It's a lot of weight!

@Patrick-c8x 4 жыл бұрын

Nice job - very informative , keep up the good work! OIIIIIIO

@Greendot319 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad you appreciate it, Matt

@twinuppers6301 4 жыл бұрын

Rope seals,,, well how about that! I blew a seal once but that’s a personal issue I thank you.

@Greendot319 4 жыл бұрын

Think that's more of an o ring problem

@greeneagleking 4 жыл бұрын

Where did you find the valve spring compressor tool?

@Greendot319 4 жыл бұрын

Ebay ;) reproductions are made too available from spares suppliers, ;)

@chrisadams4662 2 жыл бұрын

Do you soak it in oil so it will expand?

@bobvines00 4 жыл бұрын

Matt, where did you find the NOS rope seals? I've got a '46 that will need engine repair as I restore it.

@Greendot319 4 жыл бұрын

Bob, I think it was ebay again, felpro provide them as standard in their gasket kits but I dont know how they compare with the originals as I've never used them. I have ever heard of anyone having a problem them with them however?

@jakubstrumillo 4 жыл бұрын

Nice Argention to details but in Europe most of ppls changes ropes to mercedes benz 300d seals... They fit and last much longer xd

@Greendot319 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for that, never heard of that seal but looks good 👍

@jakubstrumillo 4 жыл бұрын

@@Greendot319 check it, mercedes especially in models like W126 use good quality ropes/seals... they dont leak, and no tear like classic ones. I use them in russian UAZ to avoid leaks from engine block

@jakubstrumillo 4 жыл бұрын

@@Greendot319 just find matching one from mercedes parts catalog. They produce them to this day

@skylinefever 4 жыл бұрын

This is fascinating. I have heard of a similar situation. When you have an Oldsmobile 455 and need a rear main seal, most car parts catalogs don't give you many options. However, a Ford 460 seal does fit, and car part catalogs have a much larger number of options.

@sargethejeep 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Greendot, may I ask what your bare metal block has been prepared/painted with?

@Greendot319 4 жыл бұрын

It's been wire wheeled and then coated in oil so it doesnt rust further. The painted bits are painted with red oxide enamel, cheers

@sargethejeep 4 жыл бұрын

@@Greendot319 Cheers, thanks. I'm at a similar stage with my 46' CJ2A. I've enjoyed following your build. Keep it up!

@rogeroliver5083 4 жыл бұрын

Good morning 319, I think you mean lbs ft. Not ft lbs. ft lbs is work done lbs ft is torque. Roger in Norfolk.

@TheHammer260 Жыл бұрын

Im not sure if you are still responding to older videos but i was wondering if it is necessary to remove the engine or if it es feasible to replace the old seal with the engine still mounted?

@conceptalfa 2 жыл бұрын

👍 👍 👍

@MrJeep75 4 жыл бұрын

After market one's are junk

@aboyandhisdog 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent - very interesting! Don't mean to get ahead of you but I have a question about my recently rebuilt 134L. I plan to drop it in this spring and will be starting for the first time. Do I need to "pre-oil" the engine prior to start up, or will the assembly lube be sufficient until the oil pressure builds? I want to do it right but don't have a "pre-oiler" and don't want to buy one. Thanks a lot!

@Greendot319 4 жыл бұрын

You do need to pre-oil it in my opinion and I will cover that in one of my coming videos however just to cover it all you need to do is get an oil can and pump oil down the oil filter supply line until it comes out the top of the oil gauge line and then you are good to go! Pre-oiling costs nothing and ensures your engine has oil from the start so you have nothing to lose but lots to gain if you dont do it ;) cheers matt

@Greendot319 4 жыл бұрын

Sorry 'do do it'

@aboyandhisdog 4 жыл бұрын

I do have a small fluid transfer pump and was wondering if I hook it up to the port in the block for the oil pressure gauge and pump a quart or two of oil in there, maybe that would get me there? It is not high pressure by any means, but it will move the oil. What do you think?

@Greendot319 4 жыл бұрын

@@aboyandhisdog all you need to do is fill the line so the pressure doesnt matter. You could pour it in if you like! As long as it comes out the other end of the line e.g. the gauge line or the filter line then that means the gallery is full and your system is primed. Turn the engine over a few times to ensure the pump is primed too of you like. Cheers