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Woah woah woah man, let’s back up a second. This whole rant has some points, but are twisted with some pretty hard core assumptions about Pink Diamond Rose. We do not know what exactly are he events that lead to her decision. We don’t know if she even had a chance to just go “Hey! I don’t want to keep colonizing this planet because it’s beautiful!” There are plenty of factors that could’ve complicated things, especially considering her mind appears to act way younger than the other diamonds. I could literally come up with a more humanizing reason rn but I’m writing from my phone and that’d be a lot- so-- Seeing the whole situation from the perspective that Pink was given a huge responsibility while still mentally unprepared to deal with all of its aspects and then desperately trying to find a way to make your own path like “Living on earth as someone completely detached from home world society”... you can see how even a good gem could COMPLETELY fuck up. I do not believe she did this out of malice, but it’s clear she definitely was never a perfect leader. She was impulsive, childish, secretive, dishonest. But those traits don’t always sprout from someone trying to watch the world burn. It’s clear she really did love the planet. That she really did love her gems, especially her crystal gems. She even loved pearl (Platonically of course, literally look at any clips of pearl and rose and you can see pearl is just infatuated beyond repair while rose sits there idiotically oblivious). And Rose avoid ever thinking about anything she did because: (and she’s stated this herself) she’s made so many mistakes and done so many objectively terrible things in the past... if she was Sociopathic or something she wouldn’t care. And she very clearly cares. *whips* look now you got me defending pink diamonds stupid ass-

The Trial was basically a family reunion lol

Over a year later: Let’s bring up what she did to spinel!

Peridot: "Well if she (Pink Diamond) wanted to protect it she did a lousy job, there'd BE no cluster if the Earth had stayed a Colony, now there's NO colony (All the gems were shattered or corrupted), and there's gonna be no Earth, so thank you, Rose Quartz, you doomed the planet!!!" Peridot didn't know how right she was.

Bismuth was right. Steven really is better than -Pink Diamond- Rose.

I kinda like Rose better this way? lol It was cool when she was a perfect, moral leader, but seeing that she had good intentions and ended up doing fucked up things anyway makes her more complex. It really emphasizes the fact that you can still do bad things while you think you're doing good.

Remember when Spinel was still standing in the garden before season 1 was aired

Who else came back to this video after the movie to vent their spleen about Spinel? Me: My opinion of Pink Diamond couldn't possibly go any lower. Spinel: Hold my rubber hose.

It makes sense that rose quartz is pink diamond, because rose quartz has so many different powers and now it never made sense before that she was just a quartz and had all these awesome powers. People may see her as the villain however I think that we need the whole story we don't know what blue yellow and white diamond were like how they were oppressing rose quartz/ pink diamond

Personally, I think Pink's intentions (to have herself, her court, her colony, and all the life on it be free of the oppressive, destructive control of Homeworld) were noble, but a lot of her methods and approaches were off-key. There were a lot good things that happened, but also a lot of bad things too. Then again, because of how strict and seemingly oppressive the Diamonds' and Homeworld's ways and traditions were, she might not have had much choice in how she went about her goals.

Right after watching the Steven Universe movie, it all makes sense now.

my favourite part of this is how you're so outraged and mad that you clap and stuff and it can be heard in the audio 😂

Actually Steven should be able to cure corruption once he gets better control of his mind powers.

I remember when Peridot said "well she did a lousy job at it" welp she's Right!

Lets just go ahead and add Spinel to the list.

Jasper: Yellow and blue told me enough, they told me that you killed her, you killed pink diamond. Rose: No... I am pink diamond. Jasper: Noooooooo!!

Lol i am the only who absolutely loves the plot twist?

Can we just agree to call her "Rose Diamond"? Because rose is a shade of pink.

Rose's character makes perfect sense with the PD reveal: as Pink Diamond she was abused, but still sheltered and privileged. She simultaneously doesn't think her fake death will negatively affect anyone and also doesn't realise the power, influence and privilege she has over other people and how much they defer to her and base their lives around what she says. While being made to feel less than the other diamonds in status, she was still indulged even by White Diamond as the darling entertainer and the spoilt child, she has always been taken care of while still being a leader to the gems under her, she was raised to not even consider others' feelings or to realise how much her everyday life was based around an expectation of others serving her. Thus in her becoming captivated by the wonder of Earth, it made sense to her that, feeling like the least important of them, she'd never be missed by the diamonds, and that there was no reason why her desires should not be met, just as others had swarmed to accommodate them, or to have consequences for others, no reason to consider why she shouldn't have what she wanted. She is basically a lesson in massive privilege.

Anyone watching this after seeing what she did to poor Spinel?

uhhhh I suppose this may be an unpopular opinion considering what this entire video is about, but I loved the reveal. It connected all the foreshadowing and actually MAKES SENSE. not to mention, this makes her character flawed, which is nice since she was considered perfect as the leader of the rebellion. Also, it shows growth from a bratty kid, to someone who cares about earth. now, there is also a direction for the story to go. STEVEN IS A DIAMOND that's huge, and provides the show with so many directions to go

11:05 You can hear this man clapping in the background of the audio because he is in such shock and outrage. That's just one example, there are load more throughout the video.

She literally left a tarnished legacy on her son who was innocent 😇 and never asked for any of that

I relate to Pink diamond a lot. Being raised by "bad"/controlling influences, Abandoning relationships/people we got bored with, Being childish, selfish, naive. The list goes on. I find Pink diamond to be an extremely interesting character. I don't think she's as evil as people claim she is. I wish there will be more about her in the new season of SU.

I can’t hate Rose/PD because in the end of the day she thought she was making the right decision, and yes it did hurt a lot of gems but you can’t always make the right decision sometimes you have to follow your gut and hope at the end of the day everything turns out good. By her making that once choice I believe we are going to get to see how Steven, Pearl, Amethysts, Garnet, and Greg grow as individuals and not just them pinning over a lost one they are going to be able to let go of that image of what they thought Rose was and evolve into more complex characters

Maybe pink was mortified of how white diamond would have reacted. I mean, maybe she would have, like, destroyed the planet to make pink think again about defying the diamond authority. I mean we are claiming her to be the most powerful diamond and the one who has authority over the other diamonds AKA, the supreme ruler. By the way, I personally like this plot twist i love how the crewniverse set this up and we cant complain about finally getting answers after so much filler episodes. And the characters dont have to forgive pink, but maybe they can forgive steven.

I guess Lars was right back in SU season 1. “This is all because of your weird mom!” - Lars

AS much as being a fusion destroys any independence in Garnet's character and makes her not feel like a character, i'm sure Garnet was actually pretty frightened too by Rose being PINK DIAMOND.

I’m not trying to redeem PD/RQ here, but someone pointed out that Pink didn’t have much of a choice, and that she genuinely thought that faking her own death was the best option. All Yellow and Blue ever did was patronize her, control her, talk down on her, criticize her. Pink truly felt like the Diamonds didn’t care about her. And she knew that she was by far the weakest Diamond. The smallest Diamond with only 1 incompleted colony. What options did she have? Option A: Stand up to Yellow and Blue, insisting that Earth will not be colonized. Outcome 1: Yellow and Blue brush it off and continue to force Pink to colonize Earth. Outcome 2: Yellow and/or Blue set Pink aside and take over the Earth to finish the colony themselves. Outcome 3: Yellow and Blue turn on Pink and defeat her in a full-blown war that still includes the Cluster and the corruption bomb. Outcome 4: Yellow and Blue turn on Pink and defeat her, but still colonize Earth afterwards. Option B: Continue to colonize Earth the way Yellow and Blue want her to. Outcome: Everything on Earth dies and all gems are still serving Homeworld. Option C: Keep making up excuses for not colonizing Earth. Outcome: Yellow and Blue getting sick and tired of it and setting Pink aside, colonizing Earth themselves. Option D: Completely defect from Homeworld and fight for Earth as a Crystal Gem (as Pink, not Rose). Outcome: The war will happen and Pink will eventually be bubbled or imprisoned/punished in any other way, or in the worst case, shattered. Option E: Fake your own death, because Blue literally said “As long as you are here to rule, this colony will be completed”. Seeing as Pink genuinely thought that the Diamonds didn’t care about her, she thought this was the best option. Outcome: Earth is left alone and she and Pearl are free to live there. No war, no corruption, etc. Or so she thought. This is where Pink went wrong. I can understand why Pink chose option E but she really didn’t think ANY of it through. She must have known the Diamonds wouldn’t accept her death and, especially since they had someone to blame who was actively fighting for Earth ON Earth, they would seek revenge. And so everything bad that has ever happened in the show followed. It’s not like Pink knowingly made the choice to let the war, corruption, and so on and so forth happen. She just didn’t think through it all and she also probably didn’t care as much. At the end of the day, it was her own ass she was saving. Something I DO actively blame Pink for is how dirty she did Pearl. No need to get further into that, we all know all about that now. More than anything, I have VERY mixed feelings on Pink. More bad than good at this point, but I haven’t branded her a super evil villain yet. Maybe that’s where White comes in.

When greg and blue diamond was talking how they lost someone they love, they were actually just talking about the same person 😂

In the end, Pink Diamond still believed that love was out of anyone's control and Gems should be whatever they wanted to be.

You know who *else* Pink Diamond screwed over? *_MY MO--_*

Steven is half diamond and greg ... Omg greg is the luckiest human in Steven universe

Well r.i.p bismuth she is not going to be happy. Bismuth was in the war with everything she had. She lived the war and rose lied to her. When she does come back (hopefully this season) she is going to be mad. I would be ok if she came back sooner rather than later so she would be with the other crystal gems on this.

Time to revisit this after the movie!

The way I see it, Pink is not evil, just childlike and naive. She didn't think about the longterm consequences of her actions.

K but seriously Steven Universe fooled ALL OF US for 6 Seasons with a damn camera angle. The gem was just sideways this whole time!?!?

Before we judge PD's actions too harshly, let's consider her situation. It's made pretty clear by her mannerisms that, at least from a writing standpoint, she's coded to be a child. A bratty, spoiled child with no perspective on things like consequences and empathy. In any other world, a child would learn these things by interaction with other children and by being parented properly. But in PD's world, children as a concept don't even exist. Parenting doesn't exist, the other Diamonds have no idea how to handle her and grow to resent her for it. And the icing on the cake, because of her nature as a Gem, she will never ever have the opportunity to grow up and mature beyond her initial flawed programming. She's doomed to be an incompetent child and looked down upon *forever.* And then she encounters Earth. Here, the beings are growing and changing all the time, living and aging and evolving, and it's the embodiment of everything she desires for her own life. But the very foundation of this ever-changing world is the antithesis of Gem society; constant change versus constant perfection. Preserving this microcosm would be acknowledging that it's system of aging and learning has value, that mistakes have intrinsic value. It would destabilize the very core of the Gem's rigid philosophical foundation of everything being perfectly tailored for a specific purpose. Accepting Earth as it was would be admitting that Gem society is flawed, and logically, that would call their credibility as leaders into question in the eyes of their subjects. But PD's a child, she doesn't understand this. All she sees is 'the adults are being unfair and not listening to me.' So what's her response? Run away from home. Put on an adult costume and express her argument to a different crowd. This planet is her ticket out of her hopeless situation, and like *hell* she's going to watch as she's forced to destroy the only hope she has. Not only does her disguise work flawlessly, but she finds followers. She finds genuine validation based on her thoughts and not her status for the first time in her life. And it's intoxicating. Once she's had a taste of genuine respect and validation, there's no way she's going back. Not for anything. She'd rather die. And so she does. Were there other ways to handle it? Yes. Better ways? Yes. But do most children have the clear-headed perspective and maturity to think those ways through before acting? *Fuck no.*

I honestly respect the shit out of the writers for making this twist. It takes serious guts to do this to such a beloved character. This is, great and bold writing

She wanted to be rid of the colony to protect it, she was giving up what she wanted most to save what she learned to love. Meaning she would have probably had to leave with the diamonds.

I'm happy with the plot twist, gotta problem with that?

I think the writing for Rose Quartz is good. I understand why she was horrible. She is in general the embodiment of people making mistakes in life. and how we do our best to make up for our mistakes.

Rose always seemed malicious and just shrouded in mystery. The way they basically worshipped her was ominous and I knew it was going to crash and burn I just didn’t know how. She did all of this and let all of it happen just so she could hide her identity.

"My Pearl" was a sign of affection. You only say "My" to your higher ups

What I will say about pearl being programed to love PD, is as I said in my stardust reaction, I think she was originally WD's pearl but was given to Pink as a gift so maybe Pink treated her so much better then WD. I could see WD treating her as a shiny toy (as Peridot said before) but Pink saw her as a friend.

man people are writing books in the comments

That's exactly be how I feel, I have no idea where Steven would go from here

Whos here after the movie? hmmm??

The only reason she's not the villian is because she's too gullable and childish. She meant good and it went super off trail, or she was just selfish but blind of what her actions would cause

A character being childish, and making a selfish decision that turned out to be a mistake doesnt really make them a sociopath though? Clearly Rose is a super flawed person, but I don't really see how that proves that everything evil that came from her mistakes was intentional and all a part of some master plan.

Now spinel is added to the survivors of pink diamond’s manipulation club. I feel like everyone who interacted with PD needs a hug and self help books or something. I mean, I have depression and I know stuff like a hug isn’t a fix all. But, all of them have a lot of trauma and I just want so much nice stuff for them. Pink was the biggest manipulator. Greg did an A+++ job raising Steven.

Justice for Spinel!

I was shocked! But in my eyes it made sense. Pink Diamond/Rose Quarts had a colony on earth so she must've interacted with a human or two that inspired her to want to live a free life and to help other gems realise this. But she came to the conclusion that she wouldn't be able to do so being a diamond. So she got her pearl in on her ideas and her entire plan. Including the part where she made another identity for herself. Kinda like the faking-your-death thing to live a new life! Man I love Steven Universe!

So what are blue yellow and white to Steven? His grandmothers, sisters, aunts

I mean, white diamond probably would have either shattered and replaced her, possessed her, or taken the planet away from her and colonized it herself! Not only that, the other diamonds didn't treat her equally, they abuse her. In her defense, there was no other way out

I stopped watching the show a while back but i hated/mistrusted Rose since day one. She was always manipulative af and way too worshiped by everyone as some messiah. She "liked dangerous things." This? This is like my bday and christmas together. Imma be smug for ages.

Steven Universe In a Nutshell: Steven: Do I have Powers? Crystal Gems: No Steven: Yes! (Later) Steven:Did Mom Really Shatter Pink Diamond? Theorists: No Steven: YES (Later) Steven: I need answers. Everyone: No Steven: Yes! (Later) Pink: I wanna get a Colony! Yellow: Pink, No. Pink: Pink, Yes! (Later) Pink: I change my Mind. I want my Colony Free. Blue: Pink, No. Pink: Pink, Yes! (Later) Pink: Pearl, I want to fake my own death. Pearl: My Diamond, No. Pink: Your Diamond, Yes! (Later) Pink/Rose: I wanna have a baby! Crystal Gems: No. Pink/Rose: Yes! (Later) Steven: I want MOAR answers. Crewniverse: No. Steven: Yes! (Later) Crewniverse: Rose is Pink Diamond. The Diamonds: No Everyone: Steven/Rose/PD: I regret everything

At least we know that diamonds can fuse.

I for one LOVE the reveal for these very reason! There are so many new question just when we thought it was coming to a close and i cant WAIT to see how the crew handles it all. These next episode are gonna be great!

I love coming back to this video to see just how utterly wrong one person can possibly be. It truly is amazing.

Pink Diamond was the little sister and would of been walked all over by the others dude...... seriously the colony would of been made either way if Pink stood her ground. Pink couldn't predict that the others could do the Corruption attack. I get your point, but Pink isn't omnipotent and couldn't of known what would happen and she was more short sighted.

Just realized Greg and Blue Diamond miss the same person.

Pearl looked like she was in physical pain when she tried defying her order to "never speak of this again" I get the feeling if Pearl could've, she would've said something, most likely at the moon base with the rubies.

I don't get what all the fuss is about. People complaining about Rose being Pink Diamond. This is what I've read over the past few weeks. "She's a liar! She's so selfish! She's completely inconsiderate of the Garnet, Amethyst and most of all Steven!" Wah wah wah wah. In case you all forgot, her greatest desire was to save planet Earth from colonization. That was her main objective the moment she grew love for life on Earth. I don't know about you, but Pink standing up to Yellow, Blue & White would have not gone very well. I'm sure they would have detained Pink and isolated her in some way which might of led to Blue being assigned to Earth anyway. When you commit to saving a planet from being hollowed out by Gem resources you don't just jump over a few puddles and wala. You pretty much have to swim through the entire tsunami or in this case homeworld gems. About the ''feelings'' of the rest of the Crystal Gems. They all knew exactly what they were getting into. If you remember in Rose's Scabbard, she clearly tells Pearl the consequences of what would happen upon achieving victory. I'm sure everyone else who was involved in the Rebellion war knew this as well. It's not like Pink forced or manipulated anyone into fighting by her side. They all knew what was at stake. The only thing she kept to herself was her identity. I don't know about you but personally I think nobody is entitled to anything. Pink doesn't owe any explanation or apologies to anyone. If it's anyone that's definitely owed an explanation, it's Steven. Which is why eventually Pearl found a way to tell him. Something as big as defending a planet you love from your own homeworld siblings is going to require a great cost. And the mere emotional trauma that it cost Garnet, Amethyst, Pearl and Steven is hardly a loss compared to the entire planet Earth.

There is no such thing as a good war, humans are saved, but gems are killed - greg

So Bismuth spoke some truth via: “Then you really are better than her.”

Even now I interpret Pink more as a tragic hero than anything else. Ones like Zuko, Darth Vader, Sorta Iron Man, Sorta Moses, Oedipus, Achilles, Hamlet, etc. As a character she starts off no better than her cruel abusive sisters who colonize planets and treat other gems as objects, just like Spinel or her pearls. Then she goes to earth and sees what the colony is doing to the life there. Realizing this she tries to do whatever she can to protect earth and save all life, even utilizing her magic tears to heal all who were in pain, just wanting and wishing for it to stop. But the other Diamonds are not into helping Earth so and the War escalated to the point where Pink believed her sisters were never going to listen to her and she faked her death. Once with her new family she did everything she could to keep them together and not fall apart, even keeping secrets like how she secretly bubbled Bismuth to prevent the gems from turning against each other or turning violent like Bismuth. And then the final strike left several gems shattered and the rest corrupted, leaving only Rose, Garnet, Amethyst, and Pearl. The war took many lives but the Diamonds left and everything seemed at peace and so they spent their days fighting corrupted gems and hanging with the local humans. Then Rose finally decided to give her heart to Greg, and even have a child, Steven Universe. There were lies and sacrifices made by Rose, but in the end she wanted to escape an abusive home/Dictatorship and find a life and family worth fighting for and tried to see the beauty in everything. That’s my interpretation

Here's what I think. Pink Diamond/Rose Quartz was always INTENDED by the creators to be a flawed but adored paragon. But the way she was written made people realize that she's more than flawed, she's sadistic and terrifying. Same thing goes for most of the relationships shown in this show; as you dig deeper into them you realize that they're really a lot more dysfunctional and destructive than the writers intended them to be.

List of all the people pink diamond hurt : everyone

To be fair, she was raised around manipulative people. She was probably having trouble breaking through that. I might be just really lenient and forgiving, and I know I am, but this seems harsh. I see your point though, it was interesting to hear.

This whole pink diamond rose thing actually made so much sense to me. I always had a weird feeling about rose, I mean, sure, at first we saw the tape she left for steven and everyone loved her and etc. But as time passed we started to see different sides of rose, I mean, when pearl sang "its over isnt it" and she greg say "rose did whatever she wanted" (or something like that), and when rose sang "what can I do for you" it always made me feel bothered for some reason. I felt like rose wasn't really a good person. So I always thought to myself that "love like you" was in fact rose singing to Steve, but until the last events I didn't really thought about it seriously. I think that somehow Rose/Pink is still "alive" inside steven and can somehow see his actions and his journey. And I think this is how she redeems herself. Because I don't think she ever stopped to think about the consequences of her actions, she just went along with her desires like a spoiled child and may have realized how damage she caused only later. I dont remember the exact lyrics, but the song says something like "I always thought I might me bad now I'm sure it's true cause I think you're so good I'm nothing like you" if rose was inside steven's gem and somehow aware of his actions she would realize the difference of her thinking and steven's thinking, she'd see everything through his eyes and realize how different her motivations when compared to her son. Another part says "if I could begin to be half of what you think of me, I could do about everything I could even learn how to love like you" steven is the person who loves everyone and always try to save and talk to people he was supposed to fight, on the other hand we have rose, the most egoistic character ever, who created a war out of nowhere because of her own reasons, she liked earth and she liked to "play along with humans" so she stayed there and had fun doing whatever she wanted. The we have: "I just adore I wish I knew what makes you think I'm so special". Steven has always had a picture of rose, he heard stories, the crystal gems only had the nicest things to say about her. Rose is a big deal to him, she's not only his mom, she's the one he has to live up to, he even says in the intro song "I'll fight to be everything everybody wants me to be when Im grown", "everybody" meaning the crystal gems, he doesn't go to school, he doesn't think about what he wants to be in the future, in steven's mind he's only got one option: fill rose's position in the crystal gems. So, if rose can see all this going on inside steven and starts to feel guilty about everything she ever did, it's only natural to me she starts to see herself as worthless compared to steven. I think at some point we'll see rose again, the diamonds will be there, the crystal gems will be there, absolutely everyone will be there and she'll be all serious and remorseful and give herself to the diamonds do whatever they want with her. Anyways, I don't have any other proof about all that i just said, I don't even know if this is an actual theory people already thought of, but I think it would be a great way to wrap things up and give steven the opportunity to really confront his mother and all the problems she left behind. I'm sorry if I somehow offended anyone with my "theory", it's just something that's been on my kind for a while and I felt like sharing after the big plot twist.

Whoever made the intro has my full respect.

Okay, I've been thinking about it...and there's something else that rubbed me the wrong way: The implication what Pink did makes her WORSE than the other Diamonds...I'm sorry, but that REALLY rubs me the wrong way. Pink may have WANTED to be a conqueror before she actually got Earth, she changed her mind. Yes maybe thousands suffered...but we outright SEE Yellow Diamond performing a PLANETARY GENOCIDE with all the investment of a boring office job in Jungle Moon. And the murals show ALL three Diamonds have done that. So how is manipulating and lying to people in an attempt to SAVE billions of people anywhere NEAR as unforgivable as multiple counts of PLANETARY GENOCIDE? Especially when Rose clearly feels REMORSE for her actions. Greg: I don't even know you. Rose: That's a GOOD thing. The other Diamonds? Yellow treated the invasion in Jungle Moon like it was a boring office job. She felt NOTHING to her. To her the species they were annihilating were a bug infestation. And given they rule an entire GALAXY, in all likelihood the planets on their murals are the tip of the iceberg. Note, I'm not saying this makes the Diamonds BEYOND redemption. I don't feel they ARE, especially not Blue at this point since on some level she can acknowledge humanity doesn't deserve to die. What I'm saying is it genuinely rubs me the wrong way to say 'this person who did morally ambiguous or grey things in an attempt to save the Earth' is somehow worse that 'people who remorselessly commit planetary genocide multiple times over without a moment's regret'. If Rose doesn't deserve forgiveness, NONE of the Diamonds do PERIOD. 'The Diamonds aren't in the wrong' implies they've done nothing wrong, but they HAVE. They'd done a LOT of wrong. I'm sorry, I love your videos, but that genuinely rubs me the wrong way and I DO NOT agree with it AT ALL.

Good video, but there’s just one thing you said that I didn’t agree with, which is that Pink Diamond was on equal footing with the other diamonds. In the episode, “Can’t Go Back”, you see how the other diamonds treat her. They may SAY that she’s equal, but they certainly DON’T TREAT her like an equal. They told her to just “smile and wave”, which tells us that Pink had no real power or authority. On paper, Pink was just as important, but that scene showed us that the other three diamonds held real power, not her. Other than that minor little detail, you made some good points. Of course, I wouldn’t be surprised if there was another major revelation down the line that casts Pink/Rose in a better light, such as Yellow Diamond suspecting that Pink was “off-colour” and if proven correct, Pink would’ve been shattered for real.

What happened when Rose Quartz was poofed? Because she clearly goes from a usual quartz uniform to her signature dress at some point, but we never see a gem shape shift into a completely different outfit than before, they only ever change after they’re poofed

The fact that even Rebecca said that she doesn't like Rose

I think we are blowing this out of proportion a little. Yes pink diamond may have made some bad choices and is a bad person, but no one is that black and white. Pink said in jungle moon she was just as important, but was she really? She didn't have her own colony, she acts like a child, and she is just physically smaller than the other diamonds. How could she have the same importance? The other diamonds talk down to her, just saying "smile and wave and everything with fall into line." Blue diamond silences her when she tries to speak. Pink at that point KNOWS there is no changing their minds. Another thing, yes she was very manipulative to pearl. I think the silence was forced and Pearl physically couldn't speak about it, which is really messed up. But to say Pink didn't care at all for pearl is an understatement. Yea she didn't love her, but they had to have been very close still. Pink became obsessed with organic life, how it grows and changes. She wanted to protect it, investigate it, learn and become one with it. The very thought of wanting to protect organic life is completely ridiculous to every other gem. I don't think Pink knew about corruption. As someone who commanded both sides of the war, both the crystal and homeworld gems, she would know how to manipulate things in her favor and make the crystal gems victorious. But if she knew about corruption, wouldn't she have warned everyone? She could have thought of some excuse of "oh we found information that they are going to do bad stuff so everyone bubble yourselves and protect yourself." But no, she last minute pulled garnet and pearl behind her shield.

I'd like to give Pearl major credit in this episode. Think about what she actually did here. She DEFIED her Diamond for real by revealing the truth to Steven. She took a circuitous approach to get around the wording, but she did it! Whether she was or not before, she really is her own Pearl now.

"she thought the b* died!"

I'm glad I'm not the only one that feels this way. I really thought no one thought the same. Thank you so much for making this!

Pink Diamond is a child, she didn't think of the consequences and din't think ahead. she just did whatever she wanted. Maybe this is a subtle message that not everybody is nice, and that people are manipulative and there there are consequences to actions?

I think she created this "Rose Quartz" personna because she wanted to look like a hero, she wanted to feel recognition. She was a child who wanted to show she was great. She probably felt like shit when she realised she couldn't even keep her colony because of her feelings. I don't think that what she did is goodbut I understand her. She killed thousand for sure. Did she do it for fun though? I think that in her bratty egoistical mind, these lives were the price to pay for freedom. She could have shapeshifted into Thanos for all that matter...

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One thing to note that yellow diamond knew that pink diamond was still alive since The Trial, when steven showed his gem to the diamonds, yellow diamond looked OVERLY shocked to see the gem, Yellow had already knew that it was rose,but when she took a look at the steven's gem, thats when she probably recognized that it was Pink diamond

The crewniverse turned the entire fandom into ranaldo

Im glad that Rose was "ruined" for the haters. It's a deconstruction of the perfect angelic messiah archetype often given to female characters. No flaws, human wants or greed, no mistakes; the "Mary Sue". This story is just as about Rose "growing up" as it is Steven's coming of age story. Pink Diamond was not equal to the other diamonds; she was treated like a child. Repeatedly asking the others to stop colonizing Earth fell on deaf ears. Demanding that letting the humans live and Gems to forsake their caste class would have had an even worse outcome. Doing nothing would have killed all organic life on Earth. The Crystal Gems were willing to die to defend the earth and liberate themselves. It wasn't a fake war, the whole goal was to get the rest of the Diamonds to leave Earth and the defected Gems alone. Her mistake was assuming that the rebels killing off a Diamond would scare the rest of Homeworld off.

Am I the only one that has noticed that rainbow quartz, stevonnie, and smoky quartz are diamond fusions? ( Considering Steven is pink diamond since Rose quartz is pink diamond and Steven is Rose quartz)

I actually really like pink diamond. I feel like a lot of people don't like her because they're looking for someone to blame. think about it, all her actions make sense in context of her situation. not only that but we saw her progress backwards, meaning she might seem eviler when she just made a lot of mistakes. her character is more realistic and not flat. just my opinions tho

Rose may be the antagonist, but she’s already defeated...by Greg 15 years ago.

I don't deny that she's a bad character but I feel like we're making a bunch of assumptions about what Pink was aware of. Based on how she was treated in jungle moon and I can't go back, the diamonds don't treat her like an equal they seem almost indifferent to her supposed struggles with the planet. We don't know how much time has passed between the Pink we see in jungle moon and the Pink we see in a single pale rose but it could be thousands of years. So her entire disposition could have changed in that time. she's categorically an off color so she would eventually recognize herself as flawed by having to constantly compare herself to the other diamonds. Based on the two episodes, I don't think Pink thought that the other diamonds cared about her at all. I think she truly thought they would consider the planet a waste of time if she was no longer around. Which is incredibly sad in my book, it means Pink is someone who's felt so ostracized by her family that she thought they wouldn't care if she died.

I just realized all those scenes where remorse or questions revolving around rose where left open for pearl to say something but she just held her mouth and teared up. That was her stopping her self from talking saying the reveal of rose as pink diamond

I actually really like this reveal. It highlights how PD/RQ is actually incredibly emotionally immature (rather than evil or maniacal imo). She never considered how her authority over others would inherently an abuse of power not did she consider how her actions would affect those professed to love. Most of all I think PD/RQ shows how relationships built on lies are corrupting and inherently abusive

For a good amount of time I had your same opinion, especially about the Pearl situation and how she was indeed abused on her trust and love...but I’ve also come to a conclusion. RQ/PD is not evil, is childish and immature. Notice in Jungle Moon how she’s not teached the point of why her tantrum is wrong, hell she’s even given a great colony, according to Peridot. Once she has it she discover life is wonderful, but all she hears is about the colony and to complete it. Would have she protested or not, she would not have been listened, she was probably even allowed the compromise of the zoo or the tantrum of bubbling all the other RQ ( I hope a reason is given about that ). So she thinks in the wrong way, she starts to be Rose, and now is Rose that is ignored by the Diamonds, and sanctified by the Crystal. Yes Sanctified, because Rose was nothing short than that for them. So she sees in her immature ways this is working, someone finally loves her for what she is and not the rank, but at the same time the Diamonds ignore her pleas as both. Sonshe takes the most immature choice ever: to be done as Diamond, thinking that would end the war and then let her live as Rose the Saint. You know what happens next, but here’s the problem: in her mind Rose can do no wrong, that’s how she’s depicted, even we before the episode still though she was not perfect, but still the good rebel leader wo saved earth and made the Crystal Gems. We have a case of someone who the only place who recieved a no was from the Diamonds, and usually followed still getting her cake. Her relationship with Greg got serious only when he demanded seriousness, made her realize the difference between actual partners and just the novelty he was, when he told her how to make this work. RQ/PD is depicted as a childish, immature person that everyone held, in a way or another, in too much esteem to make her realize things that now Steven, not having this “holier than thou” shield, understood and that made him mature in the wonderful and truly caring protagonist we have. And yet sometimes, like the trial, he still takes some decision that are wrong, but he has people who teached them to not run from the problems and that made him mature and grow. I don’t need spoilers to know Steven is gonna fix this hell that Rose left behind. But I also wish to see Rose’s side. I think it’s unfair to judge a character without her side of the story, especially considering we don’t have the full picture. Like how many Pearl actions that we found exaggerated are now justified and makes us feel even sorry for her, I feel that saying “ Rose is evil “ before even considering all the possibilities of the scenario. Oh, and that doesn’t mean she should not actually say she’s sorry. Everything IS indeed her fault, willingly or not, and she should have taken different approaches. Is due time someome would explain her that running doesn’t solve anything and to make amends with the people she hurt...although I feel she may become this “ wrong character “, I feel the serie will take the road of Steven having to fix what her mother broke and helping everyone move from the saint and find their own peace...like he’s pretty much doing from day one actually.

I won't judge until I have more facts. There has to be a reason for all that she did. We have seen the "First" and "Last" PD but not the "Middle" one. In all good stories you cannot hope to understand the tale told by just reading the beginning and the end, the climax of the stories is in the middle and we are still missing that part, so, until then, I will remain neutral. I'm not mad that RQ is PD, I find it intriguing, because now I want to know the WHY of so many things. Everyone is saying that she just had to tell other diamonds that Earth was hers and she could do as she wanted and then everything would be fine, but, are we sure of that? The other diamonds are shown as narrow minded and strict, so maybe if PD said something the others would simply ignore her and take the colony back or could also decided that her whole colony and all the gems she created were defective and shatter them without a second thought. In this scenario, with the "Middle" still missing, it seems that at least PD gave them a chance to fight... There is so much information still missing (I mean, we don't know ANYTHING of the, supposedly, most important gem: WD), so there is no way we can objectively judge the story if we are missing a very important character So, as I said, I'll remain neutral and expectant, up to this point, I'm really intrigued.

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It always bugged me that Steven had these different unique powers than a mere rose quarts. I know we didn't get to see what powers they had. It felt wrong that they could heal and have mind scape powers and floating! Later Steven gets more powers! That never sat with me right so I thought there was more than meets the eye about Rose Quarts and now Steven. I never put together that RQ was the same person as Pink Diamond! That shocked me good! I feel bad for everyone who now has to deal with the aftermath. Glad later on Steven does see a therapist about all of it! Crazy Universe! I still love love love this show!!

You forgot about what she did to poor bismuth.

Why is it that VGMarkis is the only guy making videos who has handled this twist at all maturely? Seriously with this? Look, the entire point of this was that Pink was young and stupid and made the wrong choices, and it's overwhelmingly obvious that she's painfully aware of how much trouble her choices made. It's *why* she wanted to forget, it's *why* she wanted to start over, it's *WHY SHE WANTED TO BE STEVEN.* It's clear she's been carrying a huge amount of guilt for *thousands of years.* As much she yells until she's pink in the face that she's on equal footing with the other Diamonds, she clearly isn't, and that fact only got further and further rubbed home as the colony project dragged on far longer than expected. She set up the human zoo probably as a plan A to save *some* humans, and then set up this rebellion as a half-hearted way of avoiding a direct conflict with the Diamonds. She probably seriously thought the Diamonds would be scared of someone who could shatter them and just leave because she clearly didn't understand how much they actually cared about her, and she almost certainly didn't know about the mind-nuke. She also probably figured that they would have destroyed the zoo, not counting again on how much the Diamonds would mourn her. But the most important thing of all that you and everyone else except VGMarkis is ignoring is that *THIS IS CLEARLY CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT--WHY ARE YOU PUNISHING THE SHOW FOR HAVING THE CHARACTER MAKE MISTAKES IN HER PAST THAT SHE'S TRYING TO REDEEM HERSELF FOR?!* Bismuth's line about how Steven really IS better than Rose was *not an accident--it's supposed to be ENTIRELY TRUE.* Rose is a flawed character who knew how flawed she was, and Steven is Rose's *redemption.*

P sure pearl said it was involuntarily silent. "I've wanted to tell you for so long" and the crewnerverse has said pearl has to follow commands from the diamond she was made for. When she put her hands on her mouth it means she wants to say it and she couldn't. She wanted to tell everyone when Steven turned himself in.