Is that true? I think it's more like you paid for the internet. Paying for the internet allows you the ability to access the content, it doesn't mean you have paid for the content.

@@rossmanngroup I think subscribing to cable tv is more like subscribing to KZfaq Premium rather than paying for internet access. I always thought is just double dip having ads inside a cable tv subscription, when you compare to Netflix and services alike.

What about PBS, Fox, ABC, CBS, Broadcast antenna TV. You're not paying for a cable subscription to access that content and still get adds served to you. If you us your VCR to skip those adds is that really any different from this topic?

In recent times the agreement that you make when subscribing is a *license* agreement. You are not paying for the content of the broadcast but the right to view it *under the terms of the license* (which most of them say you are not allowed to make a copy). One of the few reasons that copies continue to be allowed is that we have people fighting in courts to invalidate “unreasonable” clauses from those licenses. For example: multiple companies have tried to restrict your viewing of specific broadcasts to a single time *and* a single device, wanting to force you to pay again if you view it on a second device. What happens if someone’s first device breaks, or they have a screen reader for accessibility? Some companies are quite happy to be rigid and demand payment again, but thankfully people push back to make those usages legal no matter what the license agreement says.

Yes, but you don't own the content of the broadcast, it has its own terms and services and copyright

I'm ashamed to admit it, but I once went to the toilet during an ad break!

​@@reddwarfer999tHatS StRAiGhT uP PirAcY, LitERaLLy ThE eXaCt SaMe tHinG;!!😢😢😢

I mean yt adds a skippable and no one forces you to watch that exact video yk your argument lacks comparison tbh.

if ads were really skipabble i would have never used adblockers@@Rjean-paul, youtube made the situation unsustainable themselves, and them i saw how the rest of the internet is better with adblocks, if only we could block outdoors in real life too

Please hand yourself in to the nearest police station

I mean, the latter IS true.

And theft. Not everyone's on an unlimited plan.

@@rayden54Ads are theft of electricity.

And stalking as well, they follow you everywhere

Targeted harrassment actually, you know the algorithm targets you with specific ads

"I don't even care" Proceeds to go on a screed about piracy

Adblockers *REEEEEEEEEEE* **Also using unlicenced windows**

better yet, if he(linus) truly beleived his own bs, he would move his entire library off youtube but as you said it yourself as long as its profitable he will not regardless of his stance. this is especially bad for a tech channel that should know that adblocking is one of the many layers required for safe browsing.

Oh, and then gaslighting is rich in this one. He did not say "Illegal" but he said "Piracy" as if the definition of piracy isn't literally illegal activity, theft of goods and property.

I mean, Linus is a money grubbing scumbag.

Lol for real, i've tried to suffer through watching on TV with my brothers/parents, and sit through 2 15-30s unskippable ads multiple times in a videos

YES. I can hardly stand watching someone else's KZfaq these days. Someone said elsewhere in the content "the seller sets the price." Well, guess what? I set the value of my time.

Help a brother out, what do you use?

@@mikefamm5712 UBlock Origin. Works wonders, and can be used on any browser-- plus it's open-source.

@@mikefamm5712 right now on my phone KZfaq revanced

You are so right.

That's because of the rampant use of AdBlock. They now have to serve more and more ads to the users who don't block to compensate. It's a vicious cycle.

It's why's more and more sites are paywall backed.

@@actually_it_is_rocket_science it was terrible well before adblock, m8. Most people don't use adblock, it doesn't have that much of an effect.

Agreed. Without adblock or equivalent, more than half of modern pages on the net make me feel like gouging my eyes out. If I want to read articles without ad-blocking, I have to cover ads with other windows or re-scale the page so ads land off-screen.

The real treasure is the ads we block along the way.

I understand what you try to say but what you write isn't logical. If cows taste good, that means mammals taste good. I'm not ready to eat dogs, cats, humans, ... See?

@@addanametocontinue thx mmd

@@yourikhan4425 you do realise he was making a bit of a joke, why over-anal-yse it

YARRRR!!!! We sail at dawn! It's the pirate life for us!

Yeah let Linus sue FBI, or he has no balls and its just words as always (like returning a prototype that he has reviewed and sold it right after that)

I mean at this point their going to argue that going to the bathroom during a 30 seconds ad is also unethical as your not physically watching the advert.

"If the government suggests it, it’s probably not illegal"... Points at entirety of history,

Yeah I wouldn’t live by that motto

​@shawkorror Illegal. Not unethical. Historically the government had not often encouraged people to break the government's rules.

And the next step for us is putting a cardboard cutout of a person staring at the screen while we walk away

I don't even have a webcam

and if youre not there then the ad just pauses and waits for you to come back, dystopian world

@@ShowierData9978 Next monitors will have one incorporated cos it's the future!!!1

Literally not even impossible. They might demand that the cameras on smartphones be active for the user to have access to content. People these days are so apathetic about privacy that they'll just click the "accept" button.

Part of the agreement is not always a good argument.

@@JimAllen-Persona Chrome has extensions that can block. Chrome is put out by Google. The adblockers extensions are authorized by Google. Go talk to Google about that.

@@yoyoclockEbay Yeah, its bad. But nobody came up with anything better so far. So youtube > no youtube.

FortuneZero I always allowed up to thirty seconds of ads to play in order to support my favourite creators. Until I found out that KZfaq were playing ads on unmonetised creators and content. Now I NEVER allow ads to play. Everyone loses! 🍌😤

@Jim Allen I wasn't aware I'd signed an agreement with youtube or any content creators to watch adverts.

they will make you pay to watch ads if they could

@@mfmr200 prime video literally does that, additionally i got really pissed yesterday because 2/3 of the shows aren't even included in the subscription, so i am paying to see advertisements of shows on onther subscriptions (MGM,Starzs,Looke) everytime im searching for something to watch, and it is not even a side ad, it is mixed with the content that i have access to

@@devforfun5618 lmao, they already do that? time to sail the ship matey.

Don't they doing that with some program? They have a small ad at the bottom.

There were rumours about a tech that watches your eyes, and if you don't pay attention to the add you can't proceed. If this becomes an actual thing, it will be time to riot.

You don't have SponsorBlock extension? It works on Firefox too

Don't give them ideas.

No way, even KZfaq is encouraging "piracy"!

Just try to make the sponsor part watchable and you avoid that problem entirely, I watch for example comedy channels and the ad parts are hilarious, my channel is super small and so far I have made only 1 video with a sponsor segment, on the whatch time graph there's a lot of people watching and re-watching that segment, and on the other side, I've sent like more than 300 people to the referral link and made some money already, and the channel's super new, I don't even have 500 subs yet, the problem isn't on the action of advertise but on doing it wrong, or boring or just reading a company script, if they knew how to do it they wouldn't be paying you to do it, so big part is on the initial negotiation with them saying yeah no Jerry I won't read that 5000 words panflet as it won't help either of us, let me do it my way.... See true classic shirts ads with millions of unpaid views and shares etc, ads aren't bad, *bad ads are bad

@@CoolWatchesOnly Eh The problem is when youtubers don't know what they sponsor, which is most of the time.

Has he actually thought that though?

Linus is a mistake his dad didn't pull out quick enough🤣🤣🤣

twitch spends more effort/my adblocker spends less effort on their site. any chinese streaming site will spend 10x the effort in adblock circumvention in my experience

I get and agree with your point, 100%. I have done less pirating myself once I actually had a way to buy things I wanted. The difference between my ability to buy content in 2022 and 2002 is crazy, and as a result, I don't even have a usenet service subscription anymore. To be real here though, they gave you youtube red which removes every ad on every creator for $10/mo and people still adblock youtube. If $10/mo for everything isn't enough then I don't know what is. Linus literally built his own platform that he offers very affordable subscriptions on if you dislike youtube that does not have the youtube ads. If you like youtube it's $10/mo not just for him, but to be ad free for every creator on the platform. If I were him I'd throw my hands up in the air and give up on the idea of pleasing anyone at that point.

@@rossmanngroup Yeah you're right, but alphabet can afford it and there's NO WAY I'm paying money into them. I will support who I choose to support, as and when I can afford to do so, but I will support them directly. NOT through some company that is only going to pass on 1/3rd of my donations or purchases. If YT were a more fair and less censorial platform who applied their rules without discrimination equally to all parties involved, I might think differently. But while I as an adult am being told what I can and cannot see, what I can and cannot say, beyond the grounds of what is generally acceptable public behaviour, nah... YT can choke on that big ol bag of dirty roosters.

KZfaq creators need to be forced to submit timecodes for their sponsored messages, so the KZfaq premium ad free experience is enforced. 😼

Perhaps Ad Nauseam is the way to go it blocks ads but also generates clicks on blocked ads so the content creator is paid and being an omni clicker it breaks tracking because it clicks everything. The only one getting screwed is the advertiser seems like a good way to do things given TV Commercials are paid for whether or not they are watched or fast forwarded. Honestly click based payment is problematic because it allows advertisers to not pay for advertising unless they get a user interaction out of it which is not how advertisers should pay content creators for hosting your ads without expecting a return.

OMG do you remember when pop-up ads were a real thing before ad-blockers. It was literally like that gta 5 mission at ifruit

Omg yes. I am not the type of person to go on questionable sites, but the amount of times I'd get malware on my pc prior to adblockers existing was so frustrating. Funny thing, ever since they came out and I started using them I've not had any issues. So no, I don't feel bad about all the youtubers I watch not getting the .0001 cent they would have from my ad view either.

Bullshit. I remember when Ad Blockers started. They started after the first shitstorm ads (pop-ups, whole screen ads, audio ads, flashing ads etc) was limited to shadiest of shady sites. Even Geocities and similar free space providers calmed down before AdBlockers started. Mostly because at that time there wasn't any plugin support for browsers and ads were hosted at site provider's side so you couldn't really screen them but they weren't a thing during the worst of times.

I don’t use ad blocker. Despite their technology the overwhelming majority of ads that are delivered to me have zero relevance or connection to me. I am continually amazed about the ads I receive. Ads like this are a form of violence. KZfaq fires ads at you just because they are paid to do so, and force you to watch them for a lot longer than is comfortable, however I have once or twice seen something that i actually ended up buying and found useful.

Yes, if ads were confined to static, tastefully made items that were seamlessly integrated into the site, I doubt I ever would have felt the desire to block them. But instead people thought the best way to advertise was to use pop-ups, seizure-inducing flash animations, huge banner ads that lumbered after you as you scrolled down the page, and any other way they could get your attention. Even if it was so annoying that the only effect it had on you was to make you swear to yourself that you would never, EVER, buy the product or service being advertised just on the principle of how annoying their advertising was! So of course, I started using adblockers. There are a few channels I watch regularly and highly value their content. So for those what I do is open my secondary browser and open tabs for some of those channels. I mute the audio, set the video res to 144p, set the playback speed to 2x. Then I go to the video tab on their channels and press the "play all" button, and minimize the browser. This way those channels get to play all their ads that are never skipped. The playback speed goes to normal when playing ads which is fine. It usually takes almost a week to play all the videos on a channel. Then I will restart that browser to release all the ram it was using, load up other sites I watch and do it again. Once I have cycled through them all I start again. My system is on 24/7 so it's not costing me any extra money to do this, and it negates the guilt I would feel if I didn't do this for my favorite channels.

Good point, almost forgot it. Btw it was for charity (which only makes it worse and harder to get a prototype back)

Nice.

since that i did not watch a single video of that little fucker

That wouldn't be piracy, it would be a lot closer to just theft. Remember, piracy isn't theft, that's what courts explicitly have stated.

AMEN!!! 👏👏👏

Damn, good point on the BUILT IN popup blockers. I'd love to see linus respond to that.

Lol those ads with the moving X are the best!

Dobrze mówi, polać mu

Ads are still annoying, especially when you can only see a third of the website on mobile

I will never turn it off. Not until everything is fixed and ads are actually an enjoyable enough experience.

For me the reason why I did it is *since 18th November afaik they began shoving ads on non monetized and no copyright claim videos.* Which happens to me. It disgruntled me Edited the date

@@laravelisbullschitt3281 The current ad music “meta” appears to be ukulele, whistling and / or lame “folksy” singing, and claps and stomps for percussion. I feel the same as you.

@@ADreamingTraveler what's funny is the unskipable double ads make you skip more or not pay attention. So let's say there's a actual good ad, you want to watch the whole thing, but just as it ends, you forget to skip it (because in this case the first ad was skippable but you didn't casually it was good) and the second ad starts playing and it's not skippable, the next time a cool ad comes on, you skip right away

@@SilverStarHeggisist Yeah, with advertisements, they get too greedy and scummy, then have the nerve to act like people are the scum of the earth for trying to block that trash

very much this. adverts auto running with sound? fake [x] buttons that wont close the add but forward you to the link? most of this was and still is extremly instrusive and sometimes even breaks the actual contant (the webpage). the amount of people that read up on how adblockers work wouldnt be a fraction without the pure necessity to do so. OH and the whole argument "content creators live by adverts" is kinda lame too. There was a youtube before the creators made any money - and arguably this was the better version of this platform. The need for competition for search rankings, front page time and ad revenue has many negative impacts on this platform and arguably the overall quality of the content has not improved (on a technical level sure.. but on an artistic level certainly not)

There is a group of the internet you can blame for this: The porn industry, they are the pioneers in pretty much everything internet or media related.

@@hippo1985 That's true, they pioneered video on the web for sure. Never underestimate people's need to watch other folks bone on the internet.

@@GeddyRC I had a stroke of genius - Add adds to porn. Lots of them. That will be really fun, and the backlash would be hilarious

It's still the same shit, an aggressive ad policy shoving shady shit and scams down your throat

That's also the main reason I don't want TV anymore. Not so great content anymore. Bloated of advertisement they can make a segment of its own after each show. Ugh.

the last time I watched TV it was around 1/3 to 1/2 of the time just watching advertisements, literally un usable

Ads are ridiculous. I’ve noticed KZfaq can tell when you’re not engaging on the site/app. When I do dishes and I let those 10-15 seconds ads run, KZfaq knows that I’m away from my device and start ramping the timer of the ads, from a few seconds to literally 2-3 hour ads. HOURS LONG ADS? Who the fuck even has that much money to have their hour long ads run wild lol it’s absurd. I can’t even listen to the radio because it’s the same level of absurdity when it comes to ads. In an hour long run you end up spending over half the time listening to ads rather than music

@@Deminogg True. And the same is with billboards here. Those billboards are screaming from everywhere. It's almost as annoying as those ads on YT. When it comes to Linus himself..maybe it's me but I don't get it. I don't get how he can have some many followers and people be actually interested in his content. Apart from his annoying voice his content is pure crap. When it comes to his opinion on ads.. well, it's his opinion. Not a fact.

I gladly let iPhone users who don't have Vanced pay for youtube creators. It's like when you don't want to have children, with the time they take and the money they cost. There will always be enough people to make the species survive...😁

Selling a small company's only prototype at an auction to an anonymous buyer as well

@@gamm8939 It's not piracy, they receive money on the views themselves. And the connection between ads and employing people is a connection Linus made one-sidedly regardless of what viewers want. And it is, by definition, not piracy. If people like Mr. Beast can put ads in the video itself letting people skip it, and still be arguably the most successful youtube channel ( also pewdiepie) then so can Linus. People used to make content because it was fun. They got big headed because of a large audience and decided to profit off of them. The audience used its choice not to be gaslighted into watching ads they don't want which are intrusive and sell your data. This is the real piracy and illegal activity.

​@@gamm8939when your service is so bad that privacy is morally accepted. Say I am coming to KZfaq to watch video. If would be fine if its just 1 or 2 ads in 15 mins. But heck there are 30 secs videos and got slapped with 2 unskippable ads. In the span of 15 mins in youtube my experience : 1. Ads appears between every 5 vids recommendation 2. Ads in search result 3. Ads right below video description 4. Ads appear back to back during video Then here s experince on internet : Every damn site has ads It s acceptable to have ads that s not intrusive But most of them are: -Appear right in the middle of the content -Appear every single time you move to different page within the site -Appear every 5 minutes (including appear in middle of your content) Do I have to pay for every single god damn page to not see ads? Some ads is disgusting and disturbing to look at. Tldr: Ads made themselves so bad that they has invited ads block app.

@@gamm8939 to add onto Honor’s point, this also feels *incredibly* naive if you really think the content creators get their money. KZfaq will demonetize literally any one of them for seemingly any reason. A channel that was about their young daughter doing gymnastics got demonetized… because of inappropriate comments… on videos with 100k of them, that they apparently were expected to moderate. Literally just about every KZfaqr that gains any kind of status has Patreon or something like it *because* of how awful KZfaq’s monetization is.

​@@gamm8939it's not piracy. You're wrong. Objectively wrong

This. I am really reluctant using something that I've seen ads for, even if people recommend it to me. I don't like (most) ads. If someone makes an ad to show it to me, I don't like them and I don't want any of their garbage anymore.

A fairly common practice in the Balkans is that in tourist areas packed full of bars and restaurants, they will have someone inviting people to take a seat at one of their tables. Walking in those areas feels a heck of a lot like going on a site where I have to deal with an ad after every other sentence.

@@AresFordwin I grew up in the Balkans and I always felt coerced by that practice, hate it. Also, I love my Ublock origin.

Same

@@AresFordwin Unfortunately this practice is pretty much universal in Touristy areas around the world. I remember once a few years back my family and I were in Monterey California on Fishermans wharf. We had intended to eat dinner at one of the many restaurants there, as we had done many times before, but i became so disgusted by the aggressive hawkers the restaurants were employing that I insisted we leave and go elsewhere. We ended up eating at a Benihana (a teppanyaki chain) not far from the wharf instead.

By that metric, you probably do not watch pre-election campaigns because they are also full of lies and scams to get this or that con man elected, turning your eyes away from what is happening hardly makes things any better, you need to educate your family not shield it from the reality of present days, which you at least partially doing by watching this channel. Think about some better excuse next time.

Linus wears earrings, all of his opinions are invalid.

​@@Muis33he's literally a pirate😢

If i see one more add for free money through some health program. Using edited clips of famous people I'll gladly pass. Claiming its piracy while also not filtering what is advertise or its legitimacy.

Claiming you own someones data is like claiming you Own your Wife......

Another reason why adblockers are a necessity. Even if I had 100GB/month, I wouldn't want to waste any. Kind of unrelated, but I wonder what the carbon footprint of the entire advertising industry is at this point

me too i was pretty tired of watching 5 minutes of uninterrumped ads

Do ISPs even offer services with data caps anymore? That's some 2005 shit

@@Gr00t Mine certainly does.

@@Dmayrion2 I apologise greatly for the hell you're living through.

I remember when our national TV station finally decided to drop the audio volume of the ads to match the rest of the broadcast content (in the mid 2010's) ... and were patting themselves on the back like they did something amazing!! 🙄😴

Yo ho ho and a carton of juicy juice

@@williamdrum9899 Lmao

They still do that a lot of the time, Spotify convinced me to get premium because the ads were at 500% volume.

Before that I figured out you can just leave the room

This is exactly why in some lists, common advertising domains are part of a 'malicious feed' because these domains don't always do the best vetting, and thus their content should be considered possibly malicious.

It's less about malware and more about being tracked by the same ad companies on all websites that I visit for me.

Adverts are psychological malware

news websites are the absolute WORST for catching the internet-AIDS. Sketchy porn sites are safer to visit without blockers than news sites.

I've been hearing about that being the case between hidden ads that auto-play, or ones that auto-redirect to either the Google Play Store or even doing malicious downloads. It's one of the biggest reasons I keep an adblock on my PC, but I pay for certain ad-free services such as KZfaq Premium (mainly for YT Music under legacy system.)

@@Fonic_Artes minecraft for mods some sites have 3-6 fake download buttons which ad block blocks

Back when they came to be, I didn't really mind the occasional ad to help support the creator. Now when something like a 30 second trailer that itself is an advertisement then has 2 minutes of advertisements in front of it, its way out of control. If they insist, then it should be *ONE* advertisement at the start, and _MAXIMUM_ one every 15 minutes, so its useable and people don't feel the need to block them all. At this point its virtually intolerable due to how greedy they are now.

the porn ads...

Not to forget all the malware popups or fake "virus in your computer" ads that would lead to a website that tries to either scam you or give you viruses, lol.

I was pretty indifferent to Ads about 7-10 years ago, and honestly back when I was a broke teen, I was actually happy to support my favorite creators at least in that way. Then KZfaq made their ads unbearable, they would advertise malware, gross mobile games, and sketchy apps with bets/casinos/investments/etc. The final nail in the coffin was when they started putting 15 second unskippable ads before videos that were 10-60 seconds long, that is just cruel, don't waste my time...

@@hikkamorii thats not even the worst part, the worst ones were before they had set amount of ads on video length sometimes you'd get like 4 + unskippable ads on a 4 minute video. Like no boo, im refreshing, and if it stays that way im leaving

exactly this, I don't mind watching a promo a content creator PUTS in their video as an ad, but when the site's I'm browsing shove 86 ads down my throat and only 23% of my screen is the content I ACTUALLY want to consume, then I'm blocking them. its straight up some dystopian future like in black mirror where you cant close your eyes during ads.

ublock origin blocked 429 ad related stuff just on this page ONLY. sorry , im keeping it. I also pay bandwidth

advertising actually makes me less likely to buy a product simply because I find ads annoying, and whenever I see the product it makes me think of the ad and my monkey brain just feels intense disgust

Exactly. If a company forces me to watch ads or come knocking on my door trying to solicit my business, I won't give them my money just out of principle at that point. I don't care if it's the best deal ever. If I'm in the market to buy something...say a new internet provider, then I'll do my research and choose the best option for me, not what some guy tries to tell at some folding table at the grocery store that asks trap questions like, "Don't you like to save money?" No, fuck off asshole.

@@BeetleBuns Agreed. Ads usually earn my spite and nothing else.

yes like the Raid Shadow legends Ads get me mad as hell.

The reason why advertisement is there is because people want a free service

Exactly. I don't mind to disable adblock for sites I like, problem is most of them don't have a minimal sense of respect with the reader, flooding the page with tons of ads everywhere (some of them even leading to scam or porn content), which makes the navigation almost impossible, not to mention the amount of CPU power/bandwidth needed to handle all of the ads.

Actually, using adblock doesn't screw over the site. This is how ads work. Company pays network to serve ad, network puts ad into system to be served, network pays a small fraction of what was paid to creator IF the ad gets watched. This works for live streaming sites like Twitch, this works for web pages with 30 ad blocks(which by the way, only pay if it's CLICKED, not if it's viewed), this works for video sharing sites like KZfaq. The network already got it's money. So a better way to support creators is to support them directly, either through merch(almost everyone likes clothes, unless you're a nudist) or through things like Patreon and direct donations.

My suggestion: Visit better sites. If I get a site that has 100 ads on a page, I will never go back. My theory is if they need that many ads, it must be because they won't expect to retain me with the content for more than a single page, so screw them.

Exactly my thoughts

Absolutely nailed it. Needless to say the ads usually are like 10x louder than regular content, and sometimes they would even go off in "inactive" tabs that have scripts to reload the ad stuff after a given amount of time. That and the vast and utter mass of malware hidden in them are the main reasons I use uBlock Origin. Another is just saving lots, and I mean LOTS of loading time and even data traffic on mobile. I don't pay my carrier a fortune per month for a gig or two just to have that drained by a truckload of ads I don't care about. As for KZfaq, some uploaders know how to exaggerate with what feels like a thousand pieces of midrolls. Not exactly my taste of tea. Too bad I can't set rules for individual channels that I would totally support by letting the ads play. Some of them that I watch a lot and I know they need the cash get a few bucks per Patreon though as a fair compensation (and actually that's a LOT more than the adsense revenue). I used to recommend using AdBlock basically everywhere for quite a while - in order to support some content creators indirectly, I don't do that anymore. If someone is nagging about the ads I tell them they could get YT Premium to get rid of that, but I won't mention a blocker anymore. I've considered doing that myself as well, but my income is extremely limited. I'd instantly do that if my situation would better though.

This is what I think. Advertisement is the cancer of our epoch. It influences our society and it doesn't seem to be a limit to this extent.

Someone needs to develop adblock that actually works on phones youtube app etc

Then pay 11 bucks/month for youtube premium you act like you have no alternatives but watch or use adblock

@@emmanueloverrated Honestly, I've grown tired enough from those 3 minute pieces of sponsored content that I've downloaded SponsorBlock, just makes the video skip right past all those incedibly annoying Raid: Shadow Legends ads you get shoved down your throat for 3 minutes non-stop, on every single KZfaq video out there basically. Life changer, honestly.

In about 1.5 years my adblocker has blocked 1.8 million ads. I will never stop using it.

yeah why would anybody want to support google, the only people i would want to give ad revenue to are small creators, and they don't even get the revenue plus i will stop using ad block when they get rid of multiple ads in a row before the video even starts, i will stop using ad block when we can see dislikes again, im not going to monetarily support something without a rating system

This is just a lame excuse. Google earns money by selling ad slots or subscriptions. If you are unhappy with the pricetag be it time in advertisement or in money for the subscription, you can choose not to use the service. Circumventing the ads is technically fraud. The financial damage is small, but still there.

@@fabianfeilcke7220 i will stop using ad block when they get rid of multiple ads in a row before the video even starts, i will stop using ad block when youtube stops demonetizing creators and stealing their ad revenue, i will stop using ad block when we can see dislikes again, im not going to monetarily support something without a rating system

@@markilleen4027 Then you are stealing. It is up to KZfaq how many ads they want to place and it is up to the advertisers which videos they want to advertise on. Kind of funny that you complain about creators not being paid while stealing from KZfaq. If you want to support your creator feel free to join Red or another subscription based video platform that gives money directly to their creators. Your reasoning is basically "This TV is too expensive, therefore I steal it"

@@fabianfeilcke7220 No, it is not, even in the widest definition, theft. There is a moral dimension to it but there is nothing illegal here. There is no actual contract to take ads on KZfaq and even if there were, good luck enforcing it.

If you go to websites full of malicious software thinking that ad block will protect you then you are their ideal customer because every picture and script running on that website may contain some nasty stuff regardless of ads. Did you get any virus from watching KZfaq? Probably not, because if service providers were in the last couple of years not capable of reasonably well defending against that, you likely would not have an email address managed by these providers too, as they use similar tech to clean incoming emails of harmful additions. So, you likely just selectively punishing everybody for the mistakes of the few, while continuing to use all of their services. The real harm comes not from ads but from metadata collection, and ad blockers do nothing against that but it is the reason why big companies do not care about your ad blocking that much, in fact, you can find ad blocker ads even on KZfaq, despite ads will be the only thing they are left with once people start taking countermeasures against data collection of their privacy when sufficient harm is done worldwide (like Cambridge Analytica scandal where UK referendum/US election were influenced with targeted ads using illegally obtained metadata) for governments start to give a damn to the point of not caring about a bit of harm to profits of big data collectors...

same, being using adblocker since 2012, before 2012 i had to deal with viruses all the time, but as soon as i started using adblocker all my virus issues went away, go figure

It’s not your responsibility to subsidise a business

Allowing ads because of fair play is gotta be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. OK maybe not ever, but this month.

Couldn't agree more! Opening your browser without an Ad blocker these days is like walking into a mall just to burn some time and have every shop owner surround you, some poking you and some jumping right in front of you, blocking your view, trying to force their merch on you.

KZfaq TV covers 5 accounts, skips ads on KZfaq, play in background on KZfaq, and gives you KZfaq TV. It's $15 a month per account if you go family style. It's worth every penny at that price. Only downside is I can't not pay for CNN and TYT...

@@JasonCloseOK Ads are always loaded in the highest quality, even if I've set the videos to 144p. They allow basically any ad. Hell, I remember an uproar last year because people were getting borderline porno ads. People get demonitized and copyrighted for things that really have no business being copyrighted/demonetized, all the time. Also, I've looked at a few channels which get basically every video demonetized, and there were still ads. That is theft. They can offer me the best deal in the world and I still wouldn't pay out of principle.

youtube has ads?

yeah fuck video ads that's BUFFERING

And viruses too.

Fake download buttons...

Yeah, here I am trying to read an article without an Adblock and the whole page jumps around the damn universe bc it’s trying to load all that garbage. Also majority of websites are so bloated they don’t even finish loading.

I love the "Block Element" button. You know what Twitter, I don't want to see your trends when all you put in there is more celebrity and sports garbage that I've told you time and time again I'm not interested in. Flash is gone now, but before it was, no websites I don't want to see your massive obnoxious slow Flash banner on your home screen.

I became interested in adblock and script blockers after a couple cases of ad networks spreading malware. The sites and networks took NO responsibility for the massive damage they caused.

You're simply not obliged to download something that you do not want to, regardless of why.

It's happened repeatedly without the ad network being hacked too. The advertisers don't care enough to properly vet the ads are secure.

That is how I look at Adblocker. It is for security. And for those that are born after 2000, most likely did not experience the era that adware/malware was on every other official free/demo programs and sites would on the regular run popup and pop under banner ads, even full screen popup windows and a majority of these banners were purposefully intrusive and miss leading in order to interrupt your viewing and make you click them. It was a common practice for sites in general. And youtube is one of the few sites that I will turn it off occasionally for those that I subscribe to, but I do keep it on when I am just browsing.

@@onehairybuddha They literally force you to see the ads without adblocker, wth are you talking about.

He is not teaching piracy because this is not piracy. He is just trying to be a smartass with his fan base but got put back in his place by the community.

He is teaching privacy, even said the exact same thing in his video/WAN show where he discussed it.

To be fair, they also teach how to build a Hackintosh.

Linus should shut his PieHole

@@wildecity_88 Linus is a pompous douche and people pay too much attention to what he says because of his success in the youtube/media/tech space. I don't think he needs to shut up, but I think people need to ignore him.

for content creator it really is catch 22 to get a business out of a channel it need to grow you can't grow your channel with things like nebula nor can you shift completely to nebula and or your own website after you become big your viewership will simply not grow and over time it'll die out so a good chunk of your content need to be in the free platform which i would hope people find it understandable that even though it's free no business would want to do it with negative profit. so people complain about their free content is in fact not free (but they won't actually spend money if given the choice)

Honestly don't even feel bad for YT. They block monetization on 70% of the content I enjoy anyway, so it's not like me blocking ads even matters anymore - Yet YT likes to still try to show ads on things YT won't pay creators on. Creators should be moving away from forced ads anyway. I liked it when they didn't have to, but it appears that the people in charge of ads have no interest in being remotely reasonable anyway. Adblock telling advertisers that you blocked it, makes impressions from people who don't use adblock more valuable, since it weeds out the people who will never engage with the ads anyway- I'm more likely to engage negatively anyway, with companies that advertise to me. I am guaranteed to not be one of the impressions that will lead to a purchase, so it's not like advertises have less purchases, by not having me.

The problem with advertisements is they're fundamentally incompatible with the free market. They're a form of enforced revenue. They're trying to force to watch the ad by any means necessary (we have adblock detection even today, and I'm not looking forward to the day when eye tracking becomes common and inevitable), and they're trying to force you to buy a product with the ad itself, which is what pays for the ad in the first place. All of this is an attempt to make products successful based on what businesses would like, instead of their customers. There is no option for this to be an acceptable form of revenue. Subscription models are infinitely better, because with those at least you're paying for the product only, and not a whole miscellaneous industry as well that only exists to waste your time, spy on you, and manipulate your purchases to hijack some of your influence over the market. That's why KZfaq Premium pays so much better, it cuts out all these middlemen.

i remember the days when "creators" had their own site and post all their things on it

I totally agree but unfortunately this perspective applied maybe in 2007? At this point content creators especially on KZfaq know exactly what they're doing and are just as much part of the problem. Linus business model is ads and promotion not content. Content is the side gig. Linus wouldn't want you to pay him for content because there are many others who could produce better content than him. Half his content is paid promotion.

For real. The mid ads are SO stupid. I will forever use an adblocker until they aren't intrusive and I don't see that anytime soon.

I have seen some slow moving videos that were ad inserted to the MAX (most likely by the creator) and every time I move around the video I get served an ad. After 3 of those I clicked off and watch something else.

Totally agree.

I downloaded an ad blocker because of this very reason. Not only does it pause the video it also fuck up my phone if I'm using data.

@@kei2142 Actually my understanding is that a couple of years ago KZfaq sent an email to creators saying they were going to be adding midroll ads to run by default on all videos over a certain length and telling creators they could opt out of this change. Then they just did it to everyone even the people who opted out, some of whom were really annoyed about it and paid members of their staff to go back and remove all those extra ads. I believe the maximum number of ads that can be on a video are a 5 second unskippable ad followed by a longer skippable one at the beginning, a midroll ad every 90 seconds, then end ads similar to the ads at the start.

Theres a browser extension that skips over in video ads.

I just press the right arrow on my keyboard however many times I need to. Usually 3-4 in a Linus video.

the length and timing is regular enough that if you press your arrow key 2 times you'll be right into the intro

@@aronseptianto8142 try it, it’s convenient. Some people have ads beginning middle and end of a video

@@apocalypseap the right key gets you a five second skip, but L gets you 10 seconds. You can hit that fewer times.

That makes sense.... except that your definition is nonsensical. Streaming a video illegally is piracy, piracy has nothing to do with straight up downloading a video or "making a copy". Even by this definition streaming would still be considered illegal because streaming is your computer litteraly making a shot term copy of a video on your computer. If a website states that viewing ads are the payment necessary to view their content, refusing that payment while still receiving the content is literal piracy.

@justalonelypoteto it depends on how the company decides to put their content on the market. KZfaq relies on a sort of content as a service platform where they obviously do not want people downloading their videos, ESPECIALLY music. This is why there is no real download button, and you have to go through alternative sketchy methods in order to do so. A company has a right to put whatever limitations on their services they want, if they say you need to watch ads to access their content, that is the rule you must follow. Doing otherwise is literally piracy. You state "download it for backup purposes" but a company does not need to give you the right to download the content. I don't believe any content platform such as Netflix or HBO or Disney+ allow true downloads. This is common with software such as CAD where you download gigabytes worth of software, but as soon as your subscription ends it's all worthless. You pay to have access to the software, you watch ads to have access to the content, its not that complicated.

@00Kode00 Yes and no depeneding on your intentions. If you're intentions are to leave the room BECAUSE of the ads, thats piracy, That's obvious. Imagine a world where everyone just got up and left as soon as advertisements played. This means that click through rates would heavily tank. Advertisers will only pay if their ads get clicked on but if everyone turns off the computer as soon as an ad plays advertisers would never pay for ads and your favorite content creators won't get a single ad deal ever again. If this becomes rampant enough, youtube wouldn't exist as a platform as youtube is only funded by ads. To make an analogy, let's say you and I make a deal where I send you a product and I'll send you a check to fill out to pay for the product as soon as it arrives at your door step. You get the product, you see the check, but you throw the check in the trash. Did you just steal from me?

@@Jankyito the difference is 1) watching an ad is not a financial transaction, unlike a check or bank transfer 2) you don't sign a legally binding contract whereby you must glue your eyes to the screen whenever an ad plays. The advertiser is paying for an ad to be served, not for it to be guaranteed to be watched by someone, just like they can't force you to not doze off during the ad, obviously the hope is that some people will watch the ad but that's a gamble, and one the advertiser has to take

@justalonelypoteto 1) financial transactions have nothing to do with this, it was just an example. Transactions can still occur without actual money so your point here doesn't make sense. 2) Actually, you do. It's called TOS. Any company has the right to deny you any service when you don't follow their rules. It's the contract you sign by using their service. Also you're just wrong. Companies buy ad space in order to advertise their products. If people are leaving the room while ads play, advertisers will simply stop buying ads and youtube will cease to exist. Do you think advertisers will buy ads if everyone has ad block? If everyone leaves the room? Obviously not. You could argue not everyone is going to be doing this, but you have to contend with the fact that in your world everyone could do it and nothing old be wrong with that. Your world basically leads to internet where everything is subscription based because it is impossible to.make money through ads anymore.

I used adblock for a lot of things but not on youtube until some years ago when youtube started forcing 7-10 minute ads on videos and to add insult to injury you had to pick your own poison by choosing which 8 minute ad you wanted to watch (and these ads did not have a "click here to skip ad" button) before youtube would let me watch the actual video which was often shorter than the damn ad. Now I just adblock everything, no compromise. It's also just not worth the risk with autoplay ads being the most dangerous.

that's really it. a small banner ad or two or even 3 is fine, but these fucks got greedy and want half of the page advertising. a case of a few bad apples you know.

Yeah i literally dont watch twitch because of intrusive ads mid live videos. unbearable.

@@YojiroX I never get hit with the "choose your ad" thing. but ever since KZfaq did their "red" shit, Ive noticed (on my phone my PC runs 3 blocks and 2 anti tracker/ cookie programs) that they will hit you with 2 back to back unskipable 15-30 second ads, and another 2 at the end of a vid, WITH at least 3 more ad breaks in the middle of a 10 minute video. and its Aggravating as all hell. I finally got to the point when I downloaded the firefox browser for my phone and the ad block programs with it JUST so I can listen to a pod cast or music play list while driving my class B truck around from job to job! I cant touch my phone wile the truck is in gear (cameras in cab watch everything I do) so I cant hit skip after 5-10 seconds. It will say skip in 5 seconds, But Ive timed it with a stop watch a few times. Its not accually 5 seconds. It sometimes take a full 10 to "Unlock" the skip option!

@@HighmageDerin I like opera because it comes with a built in ad blocker. It works on both my pc and phone.

Do KZfaq ads give malware ?

​​@@nathanjora7627yup there are a lot of fake gta 5 on phone type of stuff and fake mr beast scam giveaways

A lot of adds on youtube served for me were scams. When scams started showing up I started using add blocker.

The US government literally recommends ad block

@@nathanjora7627 Given the choice between testing them all under lab conditions or blocking them from MY computer, I choose the second. Trust is for the naive.

I like to unsubscribe when that happens, then put in a comment about why I've unsubscribed. The best part is when you're trying to, say, research something you think you might purchase, get an ad (or two) up front, then find out the review is just some guy posting marketing material (zero effort made).

@@camberwellcarrot420 Especially when you're trying to look up a tutorial or help with a problem and the creator pads the video for ad time when the solution only needed less than a minute.

Install sponsor block itll help

Yeah... now I just turn it off and start the video, let the 5 second 10 second ads run. Or the banner pop up and then turn the blocker back on. I can't deal with the ads that scream in my ear, during a video... it's extremely obnoxious. Why would I ever pay attention to, or buy something that gave me heart failure...?

KZfaq doesn't do that.

For me the reason I installed ad block was when I used youtube to listen to music playlists while working and I kept getting one or several adds between each song. Whenever I start using a new device I start without addblock but after a few hours or days I always end up installing it due to how annoying they are.

The reason why I use a 2 stage adblock mechanism is to have a safer, faster and more efficient browsing experience. Ad servers are like all you can eat buffets for malware distribution. Don't tell me those servers are all malware free. I highly doubt it. It's feast for malicious people and organizations...

The adpocalypse was actually the reason why I started blocking ads. Before that, I just suffered through the ads even though they were becoming more and more obnoxious as time went on, but I believed that I was supporting my favorite creators that way. After KZfaq practically weaponized ad revenue I installed AdBlock and never looked back.

@@ThePC007 Oh, I did that long before that and wasn't affected anymore.

It's to the point where I can't even use sites on mobile phones because every white surface is an ad that hasn't loaded yet. Good thing Firefox mobile comes with the ability to load AdBlock

@@Nerobyrne yea. I used to like Pinterest to look at art but now every 3rd or 4th image is a ad. These ads are distracting and take me out of what m looking at. Very annoying

@@Nerobyrne I got brave for android because that built-in adblock didn't know firefox had it as an option, though as weird as brave is, I think I prefer it. firefox's rotting corpse makes me sad.

The thing I don't understand is why, in a discussion mostly about blocking ads on youtube, everyone in the comments always brings up popups and cancerous ads that you see on other sites. KZfaq's ads are generally fine, if those issues were really your problem you'd whitelist youtube on your adblocker. If you don't it tells me that you really just care about being slightly inconvenienced and you're using those sites as an excuse.

@@dalmationblack for me it's a deal breaker if the content I'm watching is interrupted. The thing is, I don't even have a problem paying for KZfaq Premium. But lots of other sites are terrible so I still run adblockers. Plus, the one I'm using can actually block stuff that's not ads but still annoying, like Autoplay videos.

I haven't thought it that way but you're absolutely right - though I didn't double-check the math :D

Ads affect peoples purchase habits. For most without them realizing it. So it's not for nothing, it's to improve sales for those products. And it works.

You still have the option of premium if you think your time is worth $10/month. It's not like ads are the only option here.

@@kalleguld I think $10/mo is a ripoff. If all I'm doing is replacing ad revenue, I'll do $10/yr.

@@kalleguld Ad blockers are free. Free > $10 a month to the corporation who created the intrusive advertising problem in the first place

You're missing a key point, KZfaq ran at a loss for years. There came a point where it was so popular something had to be done to cover its costs, without that it would not exist right now.

unskippable ads are only 15 seconds max it's not even that much time, also you can skip sponsorships??

@@Punched0 Problem for me is that YT let scammers run ads with freaking shit audio and visual. If they curated ads better and do a better job on the Ads algorithm then maybe. I have to get on YT premium train to get rid of these kind of ads.

@@Punched0 *1* Mid rolls + the start ads can easily sum to several minutes; *2* IT DOES NOT matter how long are unskippable ads, the very fact that they are is horrible; *3* You try on mobile device and see how many ads there are; *4* It DOES NOT matter you can skip sponsorship, the very fact you'll still be fed ads even if you're on YT Red/support with merch/Patreon is horrible I can go on. The "implied contract" has been broken long ago. And it did not start with the AdBlocker.

@@alexatkin any hard data on the loss part? Any analysis?

I am one of those people that consider ads a war against my brain. I think you have the moral right to do what you want with those ads. But in the case of youtube you have the option of paying for yt premium.

Same. I also find the notion of paying KZfaq so I don't have to watch ads completely repugnant!

Indeed! KZfaq adding ads before the video is what drove me back to ad-blockers after a period without them.

@@LinusBerglund With YT Premium you pay to unlock features and only *one* of them is watching ad-free videos. Another feature is using YT in PiP mode, for which, just like AdBlock, there already is a free browser extension and it is made by *Google* themselves, so... Even Google is sending us mixed signals regarding their own services! 🤣🤦‍♂️

idk humaniy seemed decided they like windows 10 and above to force auto update instead letting us choose what to update and what not to update. that is THE SOURCE for all other things comming. like the "recall" feature. auto updates that cant turn off means microsoft or whoever can decide to make even delete things from the device., all the good custom minecraft launchers unfortinatly automaticaly update, and can see with like t launcher that USED to be good, but it automaticaly updates and site is now owned by virus spreader, so even if have a clean t launcher it will auto-update and then get virused. why are pro pirate comminitys making these launchers auto updating after seeing that happen to tlauncher!!! why masses WANT forced updates?!??!

The EU did (and then tried to hide) a study on piracy and found it was a good sales motivator more than anything else. Gee, its almost like if someone can try out your product and make an informed decision, they’re more likely to buy it.

Riaa wasn't getting their cut. It's a mafia shake down. The artists were LUCKY if they made 10 cents on the dollar. A lot of em were screwed and made nothing (or worse). Artists only make real money at shows and from merchandise. It's your duty to pirate it.

It's worse than that. They got to make up whatever "worth" they were losing. The whole problem is imaginary.

@@havenbastion their logic probably was something like "ok so this album was downloaded 10,000 times, meaning that we lost 10,000 sales, and each sale is 15 bucks, so in total we lost 150k".

QED: It's only because of Kazaa and Limewire that I now own physical copies of my favorite bands' entire discographies.

...Or when the ad is longer than the video!

Exactly, now a days having an ad blocker is the first line of defense against maliciousness out there. When you have ads that open 2 more ads after you close the first ad, or have gigantic invisible i-frames so no matter where you click on the screen you get redirected to some shady website there's no chance people won't use adblocker to combat it, or hide a process in the backround that uses your system to mine crypto. Ad block is nearly as important as antivirus.

always were! I will not use any web browser with adblockers, a someone on youtube winging about adblockers just sounds dumb! Oh no! you uploaded to a public website and...sigh. RLY linus! REEELY. Addblock and ublock is so nescosary because -leaches- adverts saturate everything, to much of everything IMO.

Yeah since there is many questionable harmful ads out there. Be it tricking you to click something or being outright harmful. It does come off as someone wagging their figure, to call you a bad person and put your device's safely at risk so they can make a few more cents. Since well if I get a spyware or something on my device. I am the one who has to remove it or replace any parts that get damaged. Long as anything bad that happens to my device comes out of my pocket. I am going to take all the basic steps needed to protect it. Which honestly after thinking about this some more. It seems like this shouldn't that big of a deal for these who have a large viewer base. Since they can always make money by selling stuff like t shirts or the like, that or get people to donate money to support them. That and well ads like mid roll ads can ruin the experience by stopping the middle during a big action fight, rather than when it fading to black during a break in the action.

And the maleware ads

And the content of ads. I can't watch a video because of "age restrictions" but youtube is quite happy to literally post adverts that are just thumbnails of tits. Thank fuck I found Vanced.

@@_Hal9000 That is what drove me to ad block and noscript. I kept getting those fake antivirus things that autoinstall from ads on legit sites (one time from the LA Times......) After the third one that also uninstalled malewarebytes by itself I went ad/script block and never went back.

Indeed. Suffering from nerve deafness, I frequently have to turn up the volume to hear voices, especially if there is background noise in my house. Between music that people can't seem to figure out how to equalize and ads that are turned up to 11, I refuse to take the risk. This is also the reason I haven't watched network TV in years. Well, one of the reasons, but a good one nonetheless.

Wow YT ads sound worse than I remember, I've been blocking since roughly day 1 of the og AdBlock before it got sold out and moved onto alternatives that weren't corporate shilled - They're not even ads at this point, it's just random channels pushing the shittiest edits out or straight up 10 minutes of raw gaming footage of GTA V - it makes no sense

@@Sigurther Explosions are loud and voices are quiet I’m guessing. I have a theory on that, it seems to have only started a few years ago. If you don’t have surround sound turn off 5.1 sound. I bought a Sonos Beam sound bar specifically for its voice enhancement. Pretty good.

I think sponsored content should also be considered here. If a video contains sponsored content it shouldn't contain ads I think.

@@kolgax2064 Yep. Advertising has gotten so bad that Sponsorblock was invented.

Late to the talk, but that 1% of a cent likely already considers the lack of attention that ads get. Since buying ad slots NEEDS to be cheaper than the money it brings down the line (and ads being awfully effective at that), then every single ad needs to provide as little money as possible. I WOULD argue that the monetization from ads WOULD be larger (heh... 2% of a cent? wow doubled the numbers) if spectators paid more attention, because there are lower losses and companies would find a way to monetize more. But that is an argument I would only make if companies worked in the people's best interest and the market worked perfectly, which neither do.

@@NothingXemnas which is probably why ads in cinemas are more expensive, bc people are way more likely to pay attention

Didn't Mr. Rogers legit show up and defend people using VCRs to record his show?

I guess you also think its fair that Edward Snowden has to live out the rest of his live in exile than too ? , the law said so !, I guess its moral now, you're making a legal argument where there was none

@@munjee2 well if we wanna use this angle, Snowden insists that people should never browse the internet in any capacity without an AdBlock because the majority of ads silently deliver some form of malware or spyware these days. Ad space has become so polluted by bad actors that it is full stop a security risk to not use adblock; even Google has hosted such ads and had ad-based security breaches at a few points in the past decade.

@@JacobNintendoNerd99 I specifically used this example for this reason, I have problem with people use adblock, I have a problem with he argument of settling moral arguments with the law

@@munjee2 Invalid comparison logical fallacy. Don't bother replying since I won't respond.

A good analogy for this is that you post a poster beside the door to your free exhibit with the expectation that people will look at it, and I choose to not look at the poster.

but the act of using their server without payment is the theoretical illegal part, you can have adblock all you want, just stay off servers that dont want computers using that software. You are probably the same person that installs wall hacks and aimbot in games and thinks they dont deserve to be banned.

Agreed. Especially when many people have data caps for either their phone and or their home internet. Nobody wants to use THEIR OWN MONEY(data) to PAY FOR ADVERTISERS to show them something they don't want to see. It's asinine. We already are inundated day in and day out by advertising that we can't control. The hell if I'm not going to control what little I can in my own home on my own computer.

I think a really good analogy is a company giving away free merchandise with their logo on it for advertisement. When they give you the T-shirt you own it you can do what you want. If you want to burn the T-shirt you can. You want to remove the logo and still wear the shirt you can.

Professional298 please google do what this guy said, Odysee would really appreciate the extra push.

Why do you hate ads. I don’t mean why do you hate watching ads, because that makes sense, no sane person would like to watch ads, i am referring to the idea of ads. A lot of ads are trash(monile game ads), but some just tell you about a product you might be interested.

isn't that false advertising?

@@polarmata7433 depends, let’s take the “99% of people can’t do this very easy thing” type of ad. They could hire a bunch of idiots and just 1 in 100 can do the level, they could say it’s not false advertising. It’s the same way the toothpaste commercials work. Now the question is do they actually hire a company to do the testing and come up with that number? Ofc not, no body cares, so yeah it is false advertising, but it could be real advertising but it still a shitty ad.

if ads didn't work, they wouldn't exist

@@mateilicaret2904 The only ads that have ever convinced me to buy something are ads for food or drinks, i.e. something that's only a few dollars. And generally only ads advertising a deal, at that. Last time a commercial/ad convinced me for anything else was when I was a child, lol.