RS058 Synth History: Behringer Clones - How and Why
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Күн бұрынLove them or hate them, but Behringers clones of classic synths are all over the place. For many synth enthusiasts they seem like a dream come true. Not only are the dream machines from yesteryear brought back in what seems to be faithful hardware recreations, but they are often MUCH more affordable than even the most beat up classic synth you are lucky enough to find ‘cheaply’ second hand.
As always, when things seem to be to good to be true, people get skeptical and start to look for the catch in the matter, and starting from the fact that ‘evil’ Behringer is doing these clones, to claims that they don’t sound like the ‘real thing’ to a ton of other complaints and objections, Behringers clones end up being surrounded by controversy.
In this video, I will try to explain why Behringer went all in on cloning and how going this route isn’t all that cheap and easy as critics often claim. Also, as I hope to show, it’s our own behavior as consumers, that keeps Behringer from pushing all new and innovative products.
Of course, and to make this a balanced analysis, I will also have to have a look into some of the more questionable business decisions, Behringer is notorious for, like ‘borrowing’ designs from other manufacturers.
The background music for this video is, you guessed it, done almost entirelydone with Behringer gear, here’s a link if you are interested:
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Sharing is caring, you can download animations I create for my channel on my new sub channel Rejected Synths Recycling Center:
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Playlist:
0:00 Intro
0:19 Introduction
1:14 Chapter 1: Love it or hate it
1:36 Chapter 2: The origin Story
2:25 Chapter 3: Getting started
3:12 Chapter 4: No innovation?
5:02 Chapter 5: How it’s done
6:24 Chapter 6: Fan service
8:27 Chapter 7: Legally cloned
10:29 Chapter 8: Gone too far?
11:43 Chapter 9: Cloning the future
Credit where it’s due, here are the links to the stock videos I used in the intro:
• Reading book stock vid...
• Library books,No Copyr...
• Books Free Stock Video...
@atrothe 2 ай бұрын
I use Behringer gear and IO love it. The x18 mixer digital recorder is fantastic. Their DI boxes are great and unique. They make owning hi tech gear cheaper. Their stuff is reliable, dependable and always gets driver updates. So far.
@fakshen1973 9 ай бұрын
I paid less for my Behringer Model D than I would have for the TAXES on a Moog Model D... made that decision pretty easy.
@x10dc90 9 ай бұрын
Well said. I think personally that the controversies are overblown by a lot most of the time. You just have to see how other industries like guitar manufacturing don't have issues with doing “clones” of other guitars. I'm not sure why analog circuitry is not ok to reproduce at a lower price. At the end the consumer gets to choose what is right for them. Market competition is to be encouraged.
@brmbkl 9 ай бұрын
can't compare apples and oranges, but if you would, you would see that noone wants the electronics/synth market to resemble the guitar market.
@Quimmoo 9 ай бұрын
Guitar manufacturers don't clone each other, by making Strats. Fender Stratocaster, PRS Silver Sky, G&L Legacy - those are different instruments, built with different approaches in mind and the sound is pretty different. The same goes for pedal builders. Klon was produced so many times under different names and brands, (you might be familiar with a term "Transparent overdrive" or "clean boost", those pedals are pretty much all based on Klon schematics) still - every company either adds their own twist on classic circuits, or explicitly states that it's a Klon-based pedal, or do both. At the same time, those companies produce their own designs, which adds unique touch to their Klon-based products. I've had a couple of different "Klons" from different builders, and while all of the pedals are great at clean boosting, the character and features were different, and the case, fonts and paint wasn't specifically tailored to resemble the original unit. Behringer rips off the original designs from circuitry to cases and sells it with arrogant stance, declares war on journalists (KIRK Cork sniffer) and forums (DSI Case) and constantly reminds you that "hey, we're actually dont break any laws", while not having any personal brand identity, except Uli's behaviour. I can give them credit for POLY D and Deepmind, those are actually somewhat decent takes on vintage gear, not a straight carbon copies, and it's actually Uli adding value to the synth table. I wish they stick to those concepts. Heritage manufacturers are the major part of the problem. Roland could release a proper reissue of their analog gear and stop being part of the problem, but they are too busy making tiny collectibles.)) Fender still in business, Gibson still in business, so you can go for "OG brand", if you care about that or choose something else, like PRS or G&L.
@APMTenants 23 күн бұрын
@@Quimmooyou are talking in circles to try to get around the fact that what pedal manufacturers do is exactly what behringer has done with synths. And I have definitely seen many cosmetic clones of the klon that also try to sound as close as possible. The pedal that JHS was built on, the angry Charlie, was an identical circuit clone of the MI audio crunch box. A pedal from a smaller company that is very much in production. Strat copies are exactly that: copies. Most add NOTHING to the design. Because that’s not what people are looking for. They are looking for a budget alternative. When Boss released its first drum machine, the DR-55, it was almost immediately cloned. And Boss themselves borrowed heavily from Maxon in their circuits. Even the iconic Boss shape was inspired by early Maxon pedals. Try again
@EasyHeat 9 ай бұрын
As a 1976 born child of the 80's? One who also always dreamed of owning all the classic analog synths of that era seemingly unobtainable within budget constraints? I applaud Behringer for their recent analog synths which are overtly paying homage to those classic units and far more affordable. Sure, I can & have used various VST plugins to obtain those classic sounds, but it's just not the same as having full bore analog units and CV sequencer IMO. I mean, a freakin' Korg MS-20 or Kobol Expander clone unit for just a mere $200? Cork sniffers be damned! That's an offer I personally just can't refuse! FYI, my ex-wife's father used to frequently play golf with Bob Moog just a 3 hour drive west of me in Asheville, NC. I've been to the factory, met the legend, and played the real deal. It's also a damn shame IMO how Moog INC has just laid off many Asheville workers to move manufacturing to Taiwan!
@klstay 9 ай бұрын
The market demand for "affordable" classic synths is definitely a high motivation in making them. However, internal passion for those synths from the owner and their top engineers also plays a big role. More than any other music gear company their focus on hobbyists instead of "prosumers" drives design and BOM decisions. Add to that having your own IC company, factory, and doing HUGE parts purchases and much larger product runs than any other synth brand could dream of and that explains most of the low prices. Much lower margins (for them and stockists) is the final ingredient there. Now that all the pieces are in place I hope they are at least prototyping a fully modern "super" synth.
@_P_M_ 9 ай бұрын
In the end the winner is the consumer. It is amazing how much great gear you can get now for low prices. I have the Deepmind 12 and two Behringer line mixers. If they release a polyphonic Moog Source I'll pick that up as well. Good video!
@surrealchemist 9 ай бұрын
I don’t think I would agree. When it’s a race to the bottom for price only the large companies can compete, or companies in areas where labor and parts are cheaper. It doesn’t mean the product is better, just more affordable.
@_P_M_ 9 ай бұрын
@@surrealchemist Why do people think Moog will cut prices? Moog is a luxury brand. InMusic would be stupid to drop prices when there will always be people who will spend $5k on a monosynth. Dave Smith sold Sequential to Focusrite and they didn't cut their prices. I argue that quality will improve because they'll have the resources to avoid QC issues like shipping out 1000 trophy Minimoogs without aftertouch.
@ntro9347 6 ай бұрын
@@_P_M_ with production being moved to China and with most US based staff being laid off I do not see a very bright future for Moog. US based production was one of their strengths and selling points. Behringer have cloned the Mini, DFAM, Subharmonicon and Grandmother - all current Moog products (and then we have the Moogerfoogers). I can only imagine this has put a serious dent in Moog's earnings. I have no problem with Behringer cloning synths that have reached unobtainium status, but they should stear clear from cloning anything current. Mutable Instruments being another prime example of this - though in all fairness the code for Plaits was GPL'ed, which was a rather naive move. When the music industry is run by two or three holding or investment companies it is ultimately the consumer who will lose - always.
@Quimmoo 9 ай бұрын
Can I address the elephant in the room, how we in 2023 still chasing the sound of Juno, Model D and SH-101? I mean, aint we supposed to already move on? I'm not telling that we should disregard analog instruments completely, but maybe stop lusting over vintage gear? Maybe the Behringer will actually shift the market and we will see more new boutique companies, that would push creative thoughts, like we have in modular synth area and in guitar pedals. That would be the literally perfect consequence of all this drama. We already see some companies like Dreadbox doing this.
@MarkGardner66Bonnie 9 ай бұрын
Great information, and I have to admit that my studio has a huge "Behringer Presence"... and I'm ok with that. The sound from the synths I have bought more than inspire me to new music.
@DJSockmonkeyMusic 9 ай бұрын
It works and I can afford it. And I just want to play music, I don't care about brands or whose idea it was. I'd be even happier if they could make robots make the stuff so that people don't have to do those shitty jobs.
@texacomann 6 ай бұрын
😅I am more happy that personal is needed for production and a robot is good, but only for the Bad jobs😂, I love Behringer! Ubxa and pro800 are hammer tools. I am not a professionell, I do not earn money with my gear, all Investments are 100% negative, but my brain is happy and it is supporting my health! Its best medicine ever! Behringer for President!
@rejectedsynths 6 ай бұрын
@texacomann Putting it this way, Behringer is a mayor contributor to world health (and sanity) 😅
@texacomann 5 ай бұрын
@@rejectedsynths better than WHO
@noisemodule 8 ай бұрын
In an ironic turn of future events, Behringer will merge with Music Tribe (becoming co-owner of the Moog brand, among others) to become exactly the kind of monopoly or oligopoly in music technology that you describe. Samsung, via their Harmon/Kardon holding subsidiary, will be the only other competition. We all know it is coming, it is only a question of how quickly Late-stage Capitalism devolves into Technocratic Feudalism which, at the current rate, should be some time between 2033 and 2077. That's a wide range, because these things take a generation or so to come to full fruition, and in the next 10 years we are going to see the US and other western industrialized countries become literal fiefdoms of the financial services sector which will eventually give way to a globalized two tier caste system of those who hold Privilege and Property Rights and those who perform the slave labor for the Ruling Class. Obviously Behringer's "We hear your" means something else entirely to them than what it does to us. Us: "Behringer adheres to the age-old truism that Customer is King!" Them: "We hear you want more toys to distract you from the Spectacle of NeoFeudalism. Excellent, because that is precisely the mechanism by which you capitulate to your role as slave laborers in the coming NeoFeudalist regime, which we are evidently collaborating with the banks in order to manufacture."
@genitaltrickmaster 6 ай бұрын
Settle down
@noisemodule 6 ай бұрын
@@genitaltrickmaster lol, my only response might be: 'grow up', I guess?
@wreckage-vs5jv Ай бұрын
I somewhat lliked your music industry dystopia until that claim theory thing. Sorry, but no. Musical instruments are not toys to distract anyone. Music itself is very likely one of the greatest things us little humans have ever invented on this site of the Big Bang. It's like you hate making music. I'd rather expect the one per centers, to be really nasty, stop us from making music.
@intotheshred 9 ай бұрын
I get that Behringer have done some controversial stuff (like the cork sniffer video) and if someone wants to boycott them for that this is fair enough. What I don't understand though is getting butt hurt because they clone stuff. How many guitar companies have a take on a Les Paul or a clone of a Tube Screamer pedal. Why is cloning fine for guitars but not synths?
@KarmaPaym3ntPlan 9 ай бұрын
Balloon that out to all products, musical or otherwise The answer is that gatekeeping helps validate the purchases, for people with the means to purchase And it’s gross
@APMTenants 23 күн бұрын
If you’re old like me, you will remember when Behringer was a respected pro audio brand manufactured in west Germany.
@realmchat6665 2 ай бұрын
Behringer and Korg made hardware synths affordable, without them I would still be stuck in the softsynth/daw world, so everything else aside, I'm glad they are around.
@Eyepatchfilms 9 ай бұрын
Great video and very balanced. Most people take one of the extremes, I just shrug and say i don't know.
@rejectedsynths 9 ай бұрын
For the most part they just give us what we want, some would say deserve 😅
@xisotopex 9 ай бұрын
I had no idea the model d outsold the neutron... I would never consider the model d but the neutron I have come very close many times to buying
@toddsmithmusic3172 9 ай бұрын
I like how you took time to point out cloning isn't easy. It's a huge investment of time and money. Good video
@rejectedsynths 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the praise. I guess a big part of why Roland and others don't do faithful reissues is because they're not willing to invest huge sums to be able to build 'old tech' again, when they can simply run emulation on dirt cheap hardware.
@NullStaticVoid 9 ай бұрын
It's still less of an investment than doing your own R&D. It also gives them a shortcut in terms of getting regulatory approval. If they copy the design of someone who got approved for consumer electronics devices in the EU or US, they have a good chance of getting that approval as well.
@magnuseliasson2057 9 ай бұрын
Good video. You could also compare with cloning industries of other instruments, like guitar, drums and bases. Or michrophones where every decent manufactor often have a neuman/telefunken clone.
@brmbkl 9 ай бұрын
and how many new products do you see in Namm or other trade shows, when it comes to drums or guitars?
@Quimmoo 9 ай бұрын
@@brmbkl well, they don't do trade show those days, they go straight to John Mayer))
@thedinger9339 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for this one. Don't have a Behringer yet, but the model d or the crave do look delicious!
@rejectedsynths 9 ай бұрын
Hey there, glad you like it. I'm planning a crave video at the moment, As I do this in my very limited free time this might take some time though. If you haven't bought many synths yet, the crave is a great starter as it''s very versatile, has it's own sequencer and you can learn a thing or two about patching and modular
@DG-ss1gc 9 ай бұрын
I can’t wait for the PRO-16
@DocBolus 9 ай бұрын
Nice video, while I am not a fanboy I would say that Behringer have done a huge amount to make music tech available to the masses. They get a lot of flack for their bargain basement approach which a lot of companies which produce equivalent gear at a greater price avoid. Not trying to draw any conclusions but I just find it curious.
@Sharon-music 7 ай бұрын
8:19 "go ask your local crack dealer" 😂
@Mewted 9 ай бұрын
hate them or hate them... the reason we got so many legit analogues right now and why what was once boutique and expensive as .. is because Behringer either 1) made new dead chips themselves and sell them to everyone or 2) made the production of long dead chips profitable again enough to get them made by others at a cheaper rate than has been seen in decades. ...also china.
@brmbkl 9 ай бұрын
yeah, no. Korg and DSi started the renaissance.
@espacemaxim 9 ай бұрын
Rejected
@MichaelRohaly 9 ай бұрын
It is okay to not want to give your money to pricks. It is also okay to mention to someone that they're giving money to pricks. Remaking old machines is just not the issue: Behringer have been shits in a variety of ways, and that's not controversial.
@rejectedsynths 9 ай бұрын
Just curious, in what other major ways have they been?
@MichaelRohaly 9 ай бұрын
@@rejectedsynths You're not curious.
@rejectedsynths 9 ай бұрын
No Seriously, what else is there? I obviously know about the makie/peavey mixer cases as well as about the arturia and mutalbe ripoffs. There's the roland pedal thing and of course and maybe worst the Peter Kirn diss - and I guess thats the worst thing that they did. I didn't include it in the video because it's not relevant for the topic. But then? I've found some allegations surrounding working conditions in factories but no hard facts. So if you know more, please tell me.
@PeaceDub 9 ай бұрын
@@rejectedsynths They also stole a demo from a KZfaqr who did a good performance on the real Moog Mother 32 or some Moog machine. They ripped the audio straight from that demo and used it on their Behringer Clone video. It was so silly.. They erased that video after a while when people noticed. I don't like this style of business but sure they create some good tools
@NullStaticVoid 9 ай бұрын
@@rejectedsynths They have gone after a few online journalists and even forums for criticizing them. Actually trying to take them to court for defamation or libel (I forget which charge it was). The whole Oberheim thing was the one that turned me against them. Sure his stuff costs too much, but he is a freaking legend and one of the last synth pioneers still alive! Moog, Smith and Buchla are all at the big NAMM in the sky. We just got Tom Oberheim and Dave Rossum left. Tom Oberheim was actively making stuff under his own last name and Behringer tries to snag that trademark? It's not just a marque like Roland or Sequential. It's literally his last name! Very uncool.
@michaelpierce3264 9 ай бұрын
dude so true and funny!
@alexsicko 9 ай бұрын
i own just the model D, a reverb pedal and the BCR2000 midi controller from behringer. never been a fanatic (must've been my wallet) of any brand, but im very grateful to use them to my advantage. i find it funny when seeing others bashing behringer for making clones, yet they have a jomox xbase, or elektron devices with cloned chips or different kinds of gear from the 90s that did just the same, copy the other one. is behringer a saint? probably not. are his ethics the best? not quite but he stays inside legal boundaries. are bashers contributing any way to a better market or dealing with shortages and inflation? absolutely not. point is, no one invented anything, everyone copies. and thats not always a bad idea, as according to Moore's law, we kinda reached a point where nothing new will ever be invented, but you can keep a population informed and educated, otherwise why do we still need to attend history class if we cant learn from mistakes or what's actually good?
@terrorbirds9835 9 ай бұрын
Subscribed 🎉
@rejectedsynths 9 ай бұрын
Welcome!
@afxtwinreverb 9 ай бұрын
I'm really happy that someone is making alternative for waaaaaay overpriced musical products (music should be for everybody, not an elitist product) and I'm really ok with clones, and I don't get why they get trashed for that when Arturia also does it. But maaaaaaaan this company sucks, I can't believe the nonsense stuff they do and the dumbass controversy they are always in. Also I don't really like this nonstop teasing of products that took years to arrive (I think it's a strategy to make customers say oooh this behringer synth is gonna come up someday so I will not buy this other roland synth for example). It's a FOMO business strategy. That leads me to think they are going to do an Amazon in the future: sell cheap, kill the competence and then rise prices.
@pianokeyjoe 9 ай бұрын
That last part about the guy getting mad because of the $3000 mixer made of $200 parts and $4000 Moog synth also made with $200 parts.. I like that part. I too have noticed this for years. I sought to build my own keyboards and workstations from cheap parts since Roland and Korg and Yamaha overpriced their keyboard workstations back in the early to mid 2000s.. BOY WAS I IN FOR A GASPY SURPRISE!!! Enter late mid 2010s! Korg Kronos, Roland Fantom and Yamaha Montage! $3000 to $6000 workstations made with $200 parts... Roland remakes and Sequentials and Moogs and so on, remakes.. for $4000 to $250000!! Are you freaking kidding me!??? I guess legalizing pot has had an effect on keyboard company heads cause they are now crazy and downright stupid with those prices.. Seriously.. Behringer, you are doing great thanks!
@NullStaticVoid 9 ай бұрын
$200 in parts isn't the only cost of bringing that synth to market. A company like Moog or Sequential had to do R&D to design that synth. Another chunk goes to the product design, what color, what shape etc. Axel Hartmann is a good example. Look him up, he probably designed the look of your favorite synth. Then there is assembly, marketing, meeting compliance standards, distribution, rent, taxes etc. The cost of bringing something to market is more than just the parts.
@brmbkl 9 ай бұрын
@@NullStaticVoid this. people who only look at parts and endprice... and there's more to the discussion even when taking into account all parts of the production cost. not even getting into the issue of offshore facilities, or not investing in engineering talent. most young people are unaware of the "chilling effect" cloning has on innovation. keeping companies like sequential, arturia, moog and others in business, seems to be not a concern of budget customers, until the synth/electronic market resembles the market for guitar products; not very exciting. those criticisms are easily rebuffed with a strawman about how "snobs just want t the prices to remain high" but cloning is not the only issue. it's about quality versus quantity, and the influence of cheap products on expectations, market demand and such. in short; korg, roland and yamaha have deep pockets. they'll be fine. but why buy a moog clone, when moog produces new synths with a twist, for a budget comparable to a clone synth? there is equally no reason to buy a ms20 clone, when korg is still making those, and the second hand market is flooded with them. and there's one company who takes chances on young designers like Tatsuya. saving the starving artists? give me a break...
@Stopinvadingmyhardware 9 ай бұрын
The cost of the hardware to model and design, the cost of the employees to design the hardware, the cost of manufacturing a prototype for testing and the cost of software development and manufacturing refinement as well as the final product manufacturing process, and the licensing and government regulations that have to be applied for and approved. It’s not a cheap process, nor is it fast. It takes time and most companies never actually make it to market. History is loaded with examples of people starting companies and then failing because of reasons out of their control.
@pianokeyjoe 9 ай бұрын
@@Stopinvadingmyhardware valid points all your replies. I am the end user who see the $3000 price tag and shrieks when my income does not reflect the prices by a loooooong margin. I wold rather build myself and save that $2700 or $2800 extra. I do understand about the companies and why they charge what they charge. SOME companies are well established and that extra $$ in the price per unit is pure profit and not a loss or even fair market value. A good example of this is the Korg OPSIX. I saw the original market value and selling price was $299 to $399 when it first came out. It was sold to me for $599 USED. Guitar Center was selling them for $299 to $399 fair retail price originally but then they stopped selling them and when a store worker put his used unit for sale, he sold it for $599. I found out the unit is a raspberry pi with a keyboard and controls which I could build myself for less than $200. But, again, I understand a company versus an end user/consumer. In the end, we will either buy what we want at the inflated prices or build our own or wait to find a better deal elsewhere. I am thankful for free enterprise, as it allows for that choice. Now your case in point was revealed to me yesterday when the news of MODAL Electronics going out of business came to youtube. Now I am getting the inside scoop of things with these prices. But again.. some companies are just inflating the prices for pure profit when the same item was sold earlier for far far less.. That is not right, feels deceptive or price gouge like.
@Stopinvadingmyhardware 9 ай бұрын
@@pianokeyjoe I am certain that you’re mistaken about that. The amount of skill required to build some of these devices is expensive, and small mistakes along the way can compound your problems and cause your budget to go wacky. I know if everything went fine on those devices from start to finish they they’re priced appropriately. Companies go out of business because they’re very few repeat customers and synthesizers last for a longer time than most people would expect, because they’re not used as often as people think. Sure though, go build your own. I don’t see any market space when almost everyone is using VST’s and AU’s
@hicknopunk 9 ай бұрын
So are you trying to claim they are Carver?
@rejectedsynths 9 ай бұрын
Call me stupid but who or what is Carver?
@wiidlbeetle3857 9 ай бұрын
Finally! Some people who don’t hate Behringer!
@brmbkl 9 ай бұрын
most of these people are uninformed
@DG-ss1gc 9 ай бұрын
I think it’s pronounced “ringer” not “rindger”
@rejectedsynths 9 ай бұрын
Is it Moog or Moog? 😉
@muppetpaster 9 ай бұрын
A lot of haters are just sad and pissed they forked out a lot of dosh for the real thing while they could have had this. Original producers do NOT lose a lot because their buyers still will buy original and a lot of B buyers would/could never afford that amount for it.
@brmbkl 9 ай бұрын
strawman
@wreckage-vs5jv Ай бұрын
Borders on paid advertisment. At least way too apologetic. I remember that creep threatened lawsuits on some musician's board. He sent antisemitic drawing to a critic, he literally showed Curtis' widow the middle finger. This list goes on. If it doesn't scream megalomaniac narcissist Idk. His clowns will downvote comment.
@Trottelheimer 9 ай бұрын
It's not about the cheap clones, except for those of in production gear by companies that are tiny in comparison to B (Ebtech, Moog, Arturia, IK, Mackie, Aphex...) - that stinks. It's about the sociopathic and predatory behaviour of the B gang (bullying, threatening, thieving, lying, litigious). Also, the "democratization" thing is a red herring - there is other cheap gear, new and used, and anyway the B clones seems to be the new football cards for middle aged synth nerds who feel entitled to _all_ _the_ _synths_ _for_ _peanuts_ . The hip/poor kids use software.
@thepcgamer2169 3 ай бұрын
To be fair i think Behringer are doing a good job with the clones. Long as they sound & do the same job as the originals then what is the problem? Just because of a lower price point & more affordable?? I own a bunch of the clones myself. I think most people should get over it & stop moaning. Behringer isn't the only one out there that's produced clones or knock off's!!! Like someone mentioned in the comments here about Guitar manufacturers too, i've seen cheap knockoff clone guitars from damn China !! Do they get bitched at? Probably not? 😠 Least Behringer are doing some good.
@NullStaticVoid 9 ай бұрын
You skimmed over what I think is the worst thing about Behringer. The way they buyout companies. Used to be I had unreserved trust in brands like Midas, Klark-Teknik and Cool Audio. Now not so much. Seeing how they have diluted Midas into a brand for bottom of the barrel audio gear, I am skeptical on Cool Audio chips to repair old synths. OTOH I am 100% in favor of them reproducing old Roland models that Roland is too stupid to make themselves. Look at the price of a vintage 808, 909, 101 or 202. Roland could be charging that much for a brand new one. Especially since they could offer it with better MIDI, USB firmware upgrade, and a warranty. Heck look at Jupiter prices! But Roland tells us ACB is good enough, grow up. Sorry Roland, I can hear the ACB creaking away behind your sims. It sucks. So I support Behringer for demonstrating to Roland that they are urinating all over their shareholders with this attitude.
@brmbkl 9 ай бұрын
this. video purports to be neutral, but focus is on just a part of the criticism. I guess because the people who make up the market for synths and clicks on youtube were not born in the 80s. behringer has a history.
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