RTG Graphics on the Amiga (And sharing a monitor with RGB Graphics)

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3 жыл бұрын

This week on 10 Minute Amiga Retro Cast I will be discussing RTG (Retargetable Graphics) on our Amiga Computers. Join me as we talk about a few of the classic and modern solutions for displaying millions of colors on our Commodore Amiga Computers, and how we can share a single monitor with our original Amiga Graphics.
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@Chrisst1961 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Doug, A new core for Vampire 4 Standalone has been released with very fast RTG up to 1280 x 720 and switches seamlessly to PAL or NTSC. The Apollo guys are doing a fantastic job on its development and it works out at a very good price for an high-end Amiga. Also they are readily available. Regards Chris

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

For sure! The Vampire Standalone is an excellent choice for a lot of people. The RTG on Version 2 is very nice, and I assume V4 is even better!

@YesiPleb Жыл бұрын

@@10MARC Check out the PiStorm32 Lite for the A1200. It pisses over the Vampire. I've got mine running at 1080p in RTG and it's running 46x faster than an A4000.

@10MARC Жыл бұрын

@@YesiPleb not sure "Pisses all over the Vampire" is the right way to phrase it. I have used a PiStorm and did a video on it, and the CHIP RAM limitation are an honest and real thing. I do love the PiStorm project for sure, but it is at heart still a hack and in Beta, and there is a fair amount of setup on thee different platforms (Amiga, PC/Mac and Linux on the Pi) just to get things functional. While a vampire is not quite "Plug and Play" it is a whole lot closer than the PiStorm. There is room for both.

@boydpukalo8980 8 ай бұрын

The mere existence of RTG, which I am told was not developed by Commodore, is a condemnation of Commodore for stagnation of their architecture after 1985. Clearly AGA was not cutting it, and they just used off the shelf (PC) VGA chips adapted to Zorro. Cool video. I love my ZZ9000's and some day will venture into Mediator w/Radeon or Voodoo cards.

@10MARC 7 ай бұрын

Well... Honestly every type of popular computer like Mac's and PC's had upgradable video by the early 90's. It was fairly commonplace. AGA was still superior in some ways to common VGA solutions, like with its ability to sync with video signals quite easily. I am glad such options were available

@garyhart6421 3 жыл бұрын

As said before: I had (have in Storage) a Mediator PCI + Voodoo running Picasso96. Also: My Nephew had a Blizzard Vision PPC + Permedia 2 running CyberGraphX.

@MrLukealbanese 3 жыл бұрын

Doug, great video. I think you need a ZZ9000 card though!!!

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

Yes. Yes I do. I had one in my shopping cart a few months back, and then talked myself out of it. Then my Retina Z3 died, so now I need one again!

@a500 3 жыл бұрын

Great video again Doug. Interestingly the biggest thing that I missed when parting with the Vampire500 was the RTG. However fortune has smiled upon me in that the MiSTer Amiga Core has gained RTG capability which is amazing. SO I too have been enjoying the delights. I do need to learn a bit about mode promotion so I'll revisit this video when I come to play around a bit more. Thanks for all the great work sir.

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it, Richard! The MISTer certainly is more useful now that it has RTG. I understand that Edu Arana's new version of the UnAmiga (the ITX version) will have some RTG features, too.

@mark12358 3 жыл бұрын

Great video indeed! And, yeah, Vampire is a gorgeous expansion for the Amiga, it has almost all you can need! Phenomenal CPU, Ram, Video, Network, a clock port. Really, great hardware for Amiga, as your channel is great content for Amiga! Cheers, M

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

So happy you are enjoying it! Lots more to come... I think I have about a dozen or so episodes just brewing around in my head at any one time.

@Wallygjs 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for explaining all the video goodness Doug.

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad you like the video! I have been meaning to do it for like two years now, honestly.

@Wallygjs 3 жыл бұрын

@@10MARC Not having a big box Amiga these sorts of graphics were not really available to me so its a bit of a grey area.

@one_b 3 жыл бұрын

Nice detailed video as always! Until recently I was using an HDMI switch with my Vampire and OSSC solution. Then I realized I could set a profile to load for each input on the OSSC and could set it to start scanning through inputs when the signal is lost. I pass the Vampire HDMI out to a cheap dongle that converts to VGA and that goes into the OSSC while the Amiga RGB goes to SCART. Stellar picture on both outputs that I have spent more time tweaking than I care to admit, and auto switching in just over one second.

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

Nice! I did hear that the OSSC sometimes needs to be beaten into submission, but once you do, it can do awesome things. Clever way of doing it!

@one_b 3 жыл бұрын

It just offers so much control and detailed settings it can be daunting I suppose but well worth the reading and understanding. Clean power from a good source is key for the OSSC to eliminate noise. It is very close to pixel perfect integer scaling in NTSC with full overscan on my Samsung 32in 4k screen. (240 * 9 is 2160, but the OSSC has a max multiplier of x5, so there is a tiny amount of blending.) PAL looks good too but 256 doesn't go quite as cleanly into 2160. I'm waiting to hear back on availability for the Raspberry Pi Zero adaptors for direct digital out from Denise to HDMI since an integrated solution would be optimal.

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

Nice! Those new Denise adapters that use the piZero do seem quite interesting for sure.

@keithmcgerr3056 3 жыл бұрын

Great vid triple AAA never felt board, hombre! Thanks for giving us the ture depth of 24million more reasons to love the Amiga more! ZZ9000 next?

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I will be getting a ZZ9000 probably in the next batch. They look wonderful, and it will get it's own video for sure!

@keithmcgerr3056 3 жыл бұрын

@@10MARC oh something new amiga rgb to pi zero hdmi github.com/c0pperdragon/Amiga-Digital-Video

@litwarski9237 3 жыл бұрын

Great overview! I very recently got my first RTG card, the ZZ9000. It's a real beast! It gives me Workbench in Full HD resolution with 65536 colours, but it does get a little bit slower to use at that point though. Still I'm very happy with it as it looks great, and as a nice bonus, the card also gives me 256 MB Fast RAM.

@davidwright9166 3 жыл бұрын

Is the usb working on that yet?

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

65,000 colors is slow on that? Interesting. If I use 800x600x65000 color Workbench on my Amiga 2000 with 68040/33 MHz and my Picasso II, it feels a bit slower than 256 color Workbench, but still is a million times faster than ECS 16 color. On my Amiga 4000 with my Cybergraphx I can have a 24 bit workbench with no real slowdown. How slow does the ZZ9000 feel, and how fast is your Amiga you have it in?

@litwarski9237 3 жыл бұрын

@@davidwright9166 I could not get the usb working, but I think it's because I'm using a USB stick that is over 4GB. Anyway, I have Rapidroad USB so I'm using that instead

@litwarski9237 3 жыл бұрын

@@10MARC It is usable, but closing a very big window is slightly slow, other than that there are no noticeable slowdowns. On smaller resolutions the closing of a window is instant. I have a 68060@50Mhz CPU card, that does not have Fast RAM on the card itself. The absence of Fast RAM on the card slows it down a bit, at least when running memory-hogging demos, but I'm not sure if it affects the performance of Workbench.

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

Very interesting. You may be right about the fast ram, though. I've got 128 MB of fast RAM on my 680 or 60 card. But I also seem to recall my cybergraphics card running really fast when I just had my standard 68040 and 16 MB on the motherboard on my Amiga 4000. It would be interesting if you and I could run some comparisons.

@stefanjohansson5615 3 жыл бұрын

Nice informative video, I use a Picasso IV in my main amiga (A4000).

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

That is a great video card for sure! Fast and reliable! Much faster than my Picasso II for sure!

@stefanjohansson5615 3 жыл бұрын

@@10MARC yes I am very pleased with it, I had a cybervision 64 3d before but could not get the scandoubler to work, so I got an offer to trade up for this. Think I payed $150 for it in total, happy days. :)

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

That's a good price! I love my Cybergraphx 64 3D card, although I don't have the passthrough interface for it. It is really quite fast!

@jdryyz 3 жыл бұрын

I wonder if a video discussing Picasso96's "Native" driver would be worthy of a 10 minute or less segment. :)

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

That one is planned for sure. It will be part of a "tips and tricks" video

@retrorant6988 3 жыл бұрын

Wonderful, informative video! Thank you, sir! I was only dabbling in RTG via emulation before, but have only recently luxuriated in the fantastic Vampire RTG Workbench experience. You are spot-on when you say that you need to see it to believe it! PS. Was that the BDR box in the background? :D

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

Possibly Black Dawn Rebirth for the Amiga, from Double Sided Games. Correct, people don't know what they are missing when they don't give RTG a chance.

@MixelsLab 3 жыл бұрын

Great video again, I love big box amigas. Never owned one though. :( RTG envy.. Also I appreciate your totally relatable cable management, haha.

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

Oh I can get those cables totally neat and organized. Then I walk out of the room to refill my coffee, come back in, and all the cables have become spaghetti again. They come to life and move around as soon as you turn your back. #FACT - I may be rebuilding and selling an A2000 this summer if you are interested

@MixelsLab 3 жыл бұрын

@@10MARC ooh, thanks but I couldn’t justify it however lovely they are. 😅 it’d probably cost SO much $$$ to ship something like that to dumb old brexitland too. 😬 I have similarly haunted cables, it’s sometimes a bit disconcerting how tidy some youtubers keep everything! (largely Mac users for some reason, lol)

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

Huh. I had it in my head that you lived in the good old US of A for some reason.

@MixelsLab 3 жыл бұрын

@@10MARC Ooh, i wonder why? I'm in northern England, which i suppose is as good of a place to be as any. Maybe. XD

@cevoner 2 жыл бұрын

Hi, I guess I'm Amiga purist with the ambition to push my machine as far as it will go like you. I have had 2 A1000s, 2 500s, an A2000, an A4000T, and about 4 A1200s which I still own two a1200s now. One is in a tower with a blizzard 1260 (256K of ram) with addons galore like a keyboard adapter, a USB subway, a Gotek & floppy and a Mediator Board populated with a network card, a Radeon graphics card and a soundblaster card. So I get RTG from this PAL A1200 board which has been recapped. The other 1200 is is a large desktop case with just an ACA1233 @ 33 MHz, 128K ram, a USB Rapid Road, a sound MAS player from AmigaKit, Keyboard adapter, with a floppy and Gotek drive. I use that HDMI box to a monitor at present but I have ordered a TF1260 & 3.2 roms to upgrade. And a scandoubler for better graphics but it has no RTG graphics. Both run OS3.9 at present. My question to you is how is the best way to add RTG to the desktop 1200? Is a Vampire card the best (been waiting over a year now) or can I add something with the 1260 card coming? Really hard when most things are not available. The desktop is an NTSC amiga 1200. Thanks.

@10MARC 2 жыл бұрын

Wow! That is a fantastic Amiga collection. That would make anybody proud! Yes, I think the vampire is one of the few ways to really get RTG graphics out of an Amiga 1200. I can't honestly think of any other way to do it that is currently shipping and available. Besides your mediator board of course...

@cevoner 2 жыл бұрын

@@10MARC Yes, Mediator seems to work well with a 1260. With the new TF1260 who knows. It's at a lower cost now too when I bought it 7 years ago. Vampire is over 600.00 USD now without the other network & the Blaster which I don't really like hearing. I have blown 2 Amigas with upgrades in the past. You seem to be pretty handy.

@chainq68k 3 жыл бұрын

Oh, that Viaduct icon on the screen... :) Too bad there was no PC card installed.

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

I do need to put my A2386 board back in there. I have fun plans for it!

@stephenbruce8320 3 жыл бұрын

Happy to see I am not the only one using multiple switches to switch video modes but in my case its multiple switches to share monitors between Amiga's including KVM Switches but I have switches for just VGA and HDMI and thank god for Brother TZ Labels to help me remember what's for what. It will get even more interesting when I by a new 42U Server Rack just to place most of my Amiga in one location and no I will not be running all of them at the same time that would be breaker trip city. I have a Picasso IV Card in my A4000.040. I own 2 Vampires they are worth their weight in GOLD. I have a couple Acer Monitors which support 15kHz and while they are the same model they are different where one has a VGA port and the other DVI but both have HDMI and one has a VESA Mount and the other does not. Anyway I am rambling on but the biggest PITA with all this is Cables everywhere and none of my Amiga's are setup as a Toaster Machine.

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

Oh it can get a bit crazy with cables everywhere. It is often extra crazy for me since I am constantly moving computers and monitors for different purposes!

@stephenbruce8320 3 жыл бұрын

@@10MARC Exactly. I thought it was cool to start stacking my Big Box Amiga's until its time to service one. This is why I have decided to get a 42U Rack and dedicate a shelf for each Amiga and neaten up the cables so if I want to work on one I can easily disconnect it and since racks have wheels they can be rolled out although not exactly easy. Even my current 15U Rack is heavy to move. I do think I want the shelves on rails so I can slide a unit out but shelves with rails is a challenge to find as typically the rails just attach to the servers, which is what I see but if I can find a shelf with rails without having to custom fabricate them I will be happy. I have yet to order the rack because I need to pick out a 30L Ultrasonic Cleaner to clean my boards since hand cleaning them takes way too long.

@cullmaster7361 3 жыл бұрын

Hear what you saying Doug. I’m running my A1200’s and A4000 with RTG. Love the look of the high res nice looking desktops with workbench. It’s what’s keeping the Amiga alive in 2021! I’m using A phase 5 Bvision connected to a Phase 5 BPPC card with 060 and PowerPC chips in my desktop and in my Towered A1200 a Mediator 1200TX with PCI slots using Voodoo 3 and Radeon 9200 PC Cards as RTG. In the A4000 using a Mediator 4000 Di 3.3v Daughter board with PCI and Zorro 3 slots to make the most of cheaper PCI cards 👍🏻

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

Oh my goodness! What an incredible machine that is! Both of them!!! So tell me what you use the PPC processor for? Any cool things that it can do? That is one thing I don't own...

@cullmaster7361 3 жыл бұрын

The PPC is mostly for newer (Or were until 3.1.4) OSes like Hyperion’s Amiga OS 4.1 Final Edition Classic which I run on my A4000 with a Phase 5 Cyberstorm Mk III 604 060/PPC card and can be installed on a Phase 5 Blizzard 630 card. The OS has built in Picasso 96 but also natively can be configured for RTG graphics cards during installation. There are PPC specific software that run on OS 3x, but mostly gaming is used as PPC was a little late to the game after Commodore went bust.

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

@@cullmaster7361 Cool. I understand there were a few programs that take advantage of it, like maybe some MP3 playback programs? I hear running Amiga OS 4.1 on hardware like that is not always a pleasant experience.

@cullmaster7361 3 жыл бұрын

@@10MARC Amiga OS 4.1 FE with SP1 runs fine on my 4000 with Cyberstorm 604 as it contains native drivers for all the goodies such as Onboard SCSI and Mediator add-on Daughter board as well as RapidRoad for internet. I have struggled on installation on a A1200 using the 603 and 603+ Blizzard cards as believe it or not OS 4.1FE doesn’t support the 603e SCSI for installation from SCSI CD/DVD Drives!? You have to use IDE CD or DVD drives but have to be the first device before the HDD, then you can swap them back once installed. Once you have it installed it’s nice but again you are limited to software availability. You can run OS3 software such as Whdload and games etc.. But in emulation form as the 68060 CPU is switched off and everything runs on the PPC. To do that you have to use the RUNUAE software that comes with OS4.1FE. Does have neat features like you can auto update the OS and install patches etc.. For USB to work you still end up having to install the same Chris Hodges Poseidon USB driver software which is nuts. SP1 also supports the Indivision Big RAM zorro 3 256MB RAM cards as proper Fast RAM.

@MallaganVloggs 3 жыл бұрын

On my towered A1200 I use a voodoo 3 card with a Mediator PCI busboard, RGB modes are put into a TV card that gives me a resizable window on the workbench for games and programs that won’t do mode pro. Works great

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

I should have bought a Mediator back in the early 2000's. Those are cool products! Sounds like you have an awesome setup!

@MallaganVloggs 3 жыл бұрын

@@10MARC I’ll make a video on it tomorrow or so

@MallaganVloggs 3 жыл бұрын

@@10MARC I made my video about my A1200, here's the link kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g61_drhnuLfXe4U.html

@amigadude6409 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome video..... I've got a ZZ9000 card plugged in to my A500+ via a Z-500 Zorro adapter... and a TF536..... great communication.... however I think the Denise adapter for the flicker fixer/pass through is only for OCS Denise and not Super Denise. I also have a Retina ZII card...v1.1 with zip ram.... couldn't get that to work with the TF536 due to a old firmware on the TF536 and DMA issues.

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

Nice! I am thinking of getting the ZZ9000 for my Amiga 3000, actually. I have not done any research into how it passes the original video signals thru.

@tedeusz83 3 жыл бұрын

I would only suggest indivision Mk3 instead of cheap scart converter it gives the best possible quality directly from chip, also its internal and outputs into hdmi

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

I own one of those for my A1200 and it works great. Never had a need for one for my other machines, as they pretty much all have RTG, and I am not much of a gamer. Probably 80% of my time is in RTG modes

@supergrover1827 3 жыл бұрын

What configuration is your desktop on your 2000? That looks amazing. I have a GBA PII++ RTG that I built to get hires screens.. My god the prices are precious for the hardware :o

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

Amiga OS 3.1.4 with BestWB on it. I use it in 800x600x64,000 colors.

@AmigaSwiss 3 жыл бұрын

Stil interested in that other cards in your a2000😊😜more VideoToaster beginner videos , what do j in need beside the toaster , cables , other cards and so on. Stil not able to start my video toaster in my a2000

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

Is your A2000 NTSC? If not, it won't work. Hit me up on Patreon or Twitter and we can talk about it and I can help you out.

@panagouleas 3 жыл бұрын

If your Amiga is not NTSC you can try Open Video Toaster on it.

@AmigaSwiss 3 жыл бұрын

@@panagouleas can try or can not try?

@andreasarchenti5053 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Doug, thanks for a nice channel, you have a great style. After seeing all your nice reviews and tutorials I am planning to put my A2000 on steroids by getting a Vampire V500 II + and a ZZ9000. Will this be an overkill solution to display eg. RTG/CAD for Engineering/playing DOOM .. or will it be great set-up for the future? Cheers, Andreas

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

Totally overkill. The Vampire has better RTG than the ZZ9000, and you won't be able to use the RAM in the ZZ9000 because the ZORRO II in the Checkmate is 16 bit. Save the ZZ9000 for an A3000 or A4000 for sure.

@andreasarchenti5053 3 жыл бұрын

@@10MARC Thanks’ for your answer, then I will focus on the Vampire V500 II+ and save the ZZ 9000 for the future.

@davidwright9166 3 жыл бұрын

for the life of me I can't figure out what you are pointing to in the upper right corner :)

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

I point there if I plan to link to one of my other videos. I may have missed one, though. What was I talking about when I pointed? There is a limit of 5 videos I can link to, so I may have run out... 🤣🤣

@judewestburner 3 жыл бұрын

Till I watched this video I actually didn't know what RTG stood for

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

Really Tasty Goldfish is what it really means. Yum. ;)

3 жыл бұрын

"Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator" of course. :) Or well, it can mean that, too ...

@Storm8873 3 жыл бұрын

Most of my Amigas (A500+, A600, A1200) are using an Indivision flicker fixers to display to an LCD. I have a few others (A500, A1000, A2000) that are connected to a trusty 1084S and I also have my A4000 with an 060 and a Picasso IV to show that Amiga is still a boss. My question Doug, if you have used both before, what's the main difference between New Mode and Mode Pro?

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

The indivision devices are certainly nice. I have one in my A1200. I love how they allow access to the crazier AGA modes like 1280x720. Very handy! Sounds like you have as many Amiga's as I do! 🤣🤣 I use Modepro on my A4000 and new mode on my A2000. Six of one, half dozen of another.

@jayctheriot 3 жыл бұрын

I am curious why you didn't mention UMC - Universal Modeline Calculator to get the desired Monitor Modes set up in Picasso96. I can understand that the conversation, if including how/why it works could be an hour show, but ... just curious at your answer.

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

And the answer is.... I have never heard of the "Universal Modeline Calculator" even once in my life... But I will look it up now.😉

@jayctheriot 3 жыл бұрын

Keep up the great work. I really enjoy keeping up with you.... and, by the way -- I use my 128 for much more than go64. I do most of my BBSing using the 80 column side. Then... there are the Infocom (z3) games. Sorry to include this snippet off topic.

@fsphil 3 жыл бұрын

Does it handle 16:9 modes at all?

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

Some of the cards do. The Vampire for sure does. I think my Cybergraphx has some 16:9 modes. Not the Picasso II, though.

@HoldandModify 3 жыл бұрын

Black and white TV! Hahah. MEEE-OOWW.

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

Was that not subtle enough? I will try harder next time... 🤣😉

@n8goulet 2 жыл бұрын

I want to do the opposite, any ideas? I'd like to use Amiga emulators on my PC laptop, which has both a VGA & HDMI port, displayed on my awesome Amiga 1080 monitor for awesome CRT look for retro games & software from various emulators. I've found no information on how to adapt it. Totally unsatisfied with the look for LCD's on Amiga's, but plenty satisfied with the emulation side of the computer with a proper display. I've been doing it on my arcade RGB CRT monitor for years and it looks great. I'd like to do the same on my Amiga 1080 monitor too, but no luck so far.

@10MARC 2 жыл бұрын

Easy peasy lemon squeezy. Just grab any of the HDMI to composite adapters off of Amazon, plug it in, and you're good to go. Run it in full screen from a second monitor, and instant CRT. I bought my HDMI to composite adapter for about $12 off of Amazon. It works fine.

@n8goulet 2 жыл бұрын

@@10MARC Apparently I forgot to mention the most important thing. I'd want this to run as super sharp analog RGB, NOT grainy composite.

@frankb763 3 жыл бұрын

Hello Amiga (o). Do you know about Telnet for the Amiga? I would very much like to get my Amiga T 1200/30 / 32MB / Indivision a BBS software up and running. My telephone provider does not support an analog modem, but I would like to try Telnet. Maybe you know your way around and know what to install. Thank you and greetings from Germany / Cologne Frank... PS: You make very good videos, subscription is here ...

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

I use Telnet to connect to BBS's on my Amiga fairly frequently. DSTerm is a great program to use as a client. I have not set up a Telnet host on an Amiga, but I know software exists to do it. Here is a short list of Amiga BBS's - maybe the SYSOPS post on their sites which host software they use. telnetbbsguide.com/?s=amiga

@frankb763 3 жыл бұрын

@@10MARC Many thanks. Then I'll look in the boxes. Last week I was looking for a mailbox in German-speaking countries, but unfortunately none of them survived the Internet and there were so many of them. Frank... PS: If you like to drink German beer, my favorite is: www.passionvines.com/images/sites/passionvines/labels/erdinger-hefeweizen.gif I just don't know if this one exists at the end of the world. :-) :-) :-)

@CityXen 3 жыл бұрын

There's a user group nearby that uses Amigas with RTG exclusively. Hmmm...

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

Oh really? Which users group is that? Once I get a bit more time I want to make a database of active Amiga users groups.

@CityXen 3 жыл бұрын

@@10MARC it's called VIC-TIMS, and it's run by the devil. It's up in the mountains.

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

Run by the Devil you say? I thought Satan used Atari ST's for sure!

@vertigoz 6 ай бұрын

25:40 *only Amiga...

@rjd324 3 жыл бұрын

Doug, your systems are beautiful, but I just cannot understand why you do not use crt monitors. I have tried many times to use newer monitors but they never seem to look at good. Each to their own ofc.

@10MARC 3 жыл бұрын

Too small, to much eyestrain. They don't capture well on film when I need to shoot them. And I use RTG most of the time. I hooked up a 17" CRT a few weeks back to my A2000 to see if I liked it. I kept it on for 5 minutes, got sick of the flickery picture, and literally threw it away. I do have a 1084 I use sometimes, and my Commodore 128D is hooked up to a 1902 monitor which I really like. My 1702 and 1802 monitors are used as previews on my Video Toaster.

@jayctheriot 3 жыл бұрын

@@10MARC -- one other concern with the tube-based monitors --- real estate on the workbench. If you can accept the difference in display from the CRT to a Flat, then you go from consuming tons of space to a shallow footprint. I eat the difference in display and have all flats.