ouch!

Even Jarrod review say the same

How about the price? I would assume it's different.

shouldn't have cancelled it, should have called Nvidia on who they are - a bunch of scammers. Why not base the laptop 4070 chip on the desktop 4070? Ah yes, because money. Because how many people would buy 4080 laptops if Nvidia kept it honest?

Wait... but Matthew Moniz just said "not that much a diference that last year model, and thats a good thing" when he reviewed razer with 4070... So is not good to pay much more $$$ for same???? Damn Dave...

See also: Linus's definition of a "sleeper PC".

Well considering how their non-stealth gaming laptops look this IS stealth 😅

It also also used to be way worse in the gaming laptop bracket, there were many many atrocities that I personally wouldn't of even felt comfortable pulling up with at the local coffee shop. Arguably so the RGB craze is somewhat a good runner up to match those god awful designs

Ferrari crest*

You misused a quotation mark.

Correct, it is more like 3060, than 3070 replacement, generation wise.

Bro that’s the case with every 4000 series graphics card

I mean if you want the new 18 inch G18, the 4070 model is "Cheap" for a brand new product with top of the line I9 13980HX and that amazing 18" 1600p 240hz screen

The problem with 4070m is that it's a scam. In 3000 series, 3070m was based on the same chip as desktop 3070. This time around, 4070m is based on desktop 4060 ti, those are 2 different chips with 4060\4060 ti being largely inferior to 4070.

Thats a feature, not a bug mate. It helps justify the cost of the 4080 when the 4080 is overpriced as well

Should be invisible dark force. Now, we white edition.

Can you help me get out of plat? I'm lvl 300 soon I should be at least Ascendant at this point lol

How much did you get it for?

@@Solokid404 The Legion 5 pro 3070 got down to $1100 over Black Friday. 3070 to laptops, which provide the same performance (sometimes better) than the 4070 were down to $1300. Meanwhile 4070 laptops are $2000+. You would genuinely have to be special in the head to buy a 4070 laptop over last gen with that price gap. The only time it's truly better is in DLSS FG but very, very few games support it and even new games coming out aren't certain to. 4070 laptops are over $2,000.

@@KaoruSugimura $1100?! I would have snagged that in a heartbeat 😭

As per Jarrod's tech analysis, Mobile 4070 performs worse than mobile 3070ti.

Dave spitting facts. No nonsense videos. Love it.

Yeah, no idea what he is thinking calling it a „budget“ option. MSI has always been absurdly overpriced. The 4080 variant sits at 5k in Europe, so the 4070 will probably be around 4k which is just stupid.

>live on island thousands of miles from anywhere else >every single good on the island has to be sent by boat or airplanes >wonder why everything costs more >blame the companies because you live on an island

@@CyberneticArgumentCreator you do know all these laptops are manufactured in either Taiwan or China right?

@@CyberneticArgumentCreator That's the same for nearly every country because everything is shipped from China.

@CyberneticArgumentCreator Most things in Australia excepting tech products and cars are made locally. The "island" you're talking about is larger than Western Europe Also, what country makes literally everything except maybe China?

Which laptop 💻?

@@Parichaychatterjee1 razor blade 15.

Exactly I got my max wattage 3070ti for 1359$ (MSI ge66). Performance is on par with max wattage 4070..

@@7evive 105W 4070 performs the same as a 3070ti at 150W. The only laptops (with 4070) worth it are the thin and light laptops that can handle the 105W and provide the performance of a 3070ti without thermal issues.

@@bl4ckst0ne Honestly I'm not even too sure about these numbers. Jarrod did 25 games with a 150W 3070ti and a 140W 4070. The 3070Ti beat the 4070 in over half the games if there was no DLSS or frame generation. That is a much bigger sample size than any of these numbers.

@@bl4ckst0ne It doesn't. Watch Jarod's video for a deeper analysis.

@@fidelisitor8953 oh i forgot...jarod's words are gospel

literally all the new AAA game supported it what do you mean? Even some old games are starting to update to DLSS3 too.

@@phongphamthanh5911 at least he got more likes so he must be right *irony off*

How is it oldie? More like it's his signature.

@@rollingthunder9769 it's an oldie because like he said, he hasn't said it in a long time. ;-)

@@kyoko703 I see, didn't even realize he rarely do that now. Time sure flies.

@@rollingthunder9769 fo sho!!! 2020 to now has all seem like a gigantic blur.....

@@kyoko703 Yea, struggled so much to get through the pandemic with a long chain of unfortunate events. It gets better this year and so i hope i can find some good memories.

Most KZfaqrs use 24 fps because cInEmAtIc

MKBHD is very wrong sticking to 30fps choppy videos, he needs to step up his game too.

@@AliArghavan calm down Steven Spielberg

​@@AliArghavanwhy is more frames stepping up? What does that have to do with production value?

​@@AliArghavan mkbhd said specifically he like 30fps more. And I understand why. I don't have a preference, but I can see why 60fps video is weird for some people

Gotta go full super Saiyan soon

agreed 💯

I looks like the winds blowing behind him

Thought you were kandyrew for a moment

Gay

hopefully it's in my budget too 😿

What a loss, same performance + new technology

Did u use the 30% Cashback?

Hopefully you enjoy it! I have the 2021 17 inch with a 5800h and a 3060, and I am absolutely loving it!

@@dilip_1997 no, where can I find info on that? I did find a $50 "first time buyer" coupon (well,, the max is $100 off but only for orders above $2000) that I didn't see until the night after I ordered it, so I'm going to try to call and get that later today.

@@necrojoe i think it was on the capital one shopping app with lenovo!!!

I'd wait. 16 GB of RAM is now going to be a limit in modern games, so I'd wait for a 2023 upgrade or just go with another laptop.

@@cameronbosch1213 what games do you play that use more than 10GB RAM, I'm interested to know as I've never seen anything go upwards of that

Ide get the 3070t,i the 4070 will be twice the price and not much better on the gpu

4090 is not 3070ti equivalent

@@4-0-K Some are starting to recommend 32 GB as a minimum (not vRAM).

Wdym?

Would also like to know that!!!

Just keep in mind that right now DLSS 3.0 is supported only by a handful of games. Not only that, if you want to play any E-Sports titles, then keep in mind Frame Generatoon causes a quite significant amount of latency, so it's only good for those slower, plot-oriented singleplayer titles. RTX 4070 specifically is good for thin and light gaming/creator notebooks, like new AERO 16 or MSI Stealth lineup, but if you want best bang for a buck, I'd go for a bit chonkier last gen with RTX 3070Ti. Legion lineup was absolutely amazing a year ago!

You bought Xbox ?? 😅😂

@@bugbuster8598 oh yeah. I don't play multi-player titles, so latency is not crucial for me. Otherwise, a 60+fps in ultra settings is definitely something priority to my eyes.

@@boomfestival2023 sim, comprei. Gamepass é incrível.

@@bugbuster8598 Same thing was said about DLSS when it launched and now it's actually a really useful bit of tech to allow your hardware to be relevant longer. You're spot on about the use case for the laptop 4070, though - it's very obviously designed to have lower heat and power to allow itself to be fit into slim and small laptops while still providing a lot of oomph. The 4070 isn't the card to plug into your 4k monitor at home and use as a mobile desktop, but it body slams any previous midrange card at 100W or below.

What?

If you really wanna get a laptop then get a 4080 one, more worth your money

I really hoped to get something in the ekosystem i use, but it might be the wise choice to go 4080

@@homophobesnotwelcomed2308 honestly im mostly looking for something i can do 3D work on, and some light gaming, not sure if that changes anything in this equation

Don't do it!! I got an msi stealth and it was the biggest piece of junk and waste of money in my life. Completely fell apart. I loved msi pc parts, but I will never touch a laptop from them ever again. Save yourself the trouble from my experience!

@@dorrito Thanks for the warning!

Isn't acer decent as well?

You should take a look on new AERO 16 from Gigabyte, then.

AMD all the way

i think by now it is well know that a laptop card is equivalent to its desktop variant of the past generation or the next card in line of the desktop series. eg laptop 4070 is euqal to desktop 4060 or 3070. laptop 3080 is equal to desktop 3070 or 2080. Nothing has changed, i dont c why you say they have been names badly. Nvidia has been a bunch of douches that much is true, but the performance and naming of the laptop cards is the least of it. If u ignore the 128 bit bus thing, the lower cuda cores than past generation, the slower memory bandwidth than the old generation, the 8gb of memory in a supposedly high end card, bad prices etc. just ignore the horror show of the specs and look at the bottom line, the user experience, if u just look at the performance in games, its not awesome, but not bad. it is as expected. with a nice discount come next christmass or black friday etc it may even be called a decent deal. The desktop cards are another sad story though.

​@@WaaDokuCringe

@@sovietunion9131 AMD is still best value for the buck. And AMD CPUs have the advantage of being not as high-powered, hence they are better for portable usage in notebooks. What's cringe about that?

With how easy it is to set fps and power limits, I don't get your point

Also RTX 4060 mobile has just 20% more core count than 4050. Feels more like 3050Ti replacement.

In short, what was originally 3050, 3050Ti, 3060, 3070 and 3080 product categories in mobile GPUs, seems to have been shifted to 4050, 4060, 4070, 4080, 4090. New 4070 is now mid-range, not high end GPU, like old 3070.

On the other hand, there is no anymore real replacement for lower TDP 3070 with 4000 series. Seems like only 4070 fills that gap, since there are no low TDP 4080 models at all.

But then, peformance difference between 4050 and lower TDP 4070 is a joke. No more then 30%. While between lower TDP 4070 and 4080 is whooping 50%.

It really feels we are missing lower TDP version of 4080 mobile in the market, as real replacement for lower TDP 3070/3080 for low profile laptops.

Some KZfaqrs have noticed stuttering issues on 4050 laptops though, I'd be more cautious.

This is coming from a dev, so might not apply much to you especifically: 2 memory problems: -> When you don't have enough to fit everything in the GPU vram (let's say, a really big photo) -> When you're memory is too slow (something that needs to access large amounts of memory fast) AI (machine learning) is a prime example: it needs to fit in the memory to perform well and needs to access a ton of memory (*tons of VRAM and big bus*) Depending on the type of photography that you do, this might affect you, but it is necessay to calculate the exact necessity to be really sure. PS.: What happens when you can't fit the whole thing in the GPU? 1. I might not run or 2. It migh use your RAM (causing degraded performance)

​@@tablettablete186I'm a bit late, but thank you for your response! KZfaq didn't notify me of any replies :(