>$600 +tip Made me laugh too much but yeah this is a sad card. I will continue to stick with my RTX 3060 that I got for $240 (used).

So.... would you buy a 3080TI 12G on a 384 bit bus for £580 - because I'll sell you mine (Its Pristine, boxed with all accessories 😁) and then I'll go buy a 4070 Super as it is on par with my 3080TI while using 220w vs up to 362w has DLSS 3 plus Frame Gen 🤣🤣 for gaming the 192 bit bus on the 4070 Super is enough 👍

A750 handling all my games just fine

12GB is actually enough for this performance tier. And 192 bit bus only slightly reduces this card performance at 4K in comparison with cards equipped with 320-384 bit bus. Does this card have good enough performance for the price in 2024 - that is the right question.

I think its more about it beinf 12gb at this price. Its a midrange card with a high end price, not an easy sell for people with a brain lol​@starstreamgamer3704

Sales sucked, despite what this guy says Radeon is doing decent, that's why Nvidia did a refresh, because the first launch was a shit show and was panned in the press.

​@@nickwarrior5Nvidia does care...which is why they are still at the forefront of innovation in hardware based feature sets...but I heard you can save 50 bucks if you want second rate open source software that uses non dedicated hardware to produce a sub par result.

It is so funny how AMD has become "the people's card" lol....down with capitalism, down with the man, long live the success chasers....lol

There we go again another that doesn't understand things can't stay same py forever that's just how the world works man when production price goes up so does the product that simple do you think a GPU will stay same price for every gen if so you live in a fantasy world And have no idea e business. Works

@@XeqtrM1 this. there is also the cost to pay people to develop the software that goes with that hardware which is unique to Nvidia too.

Rtx 4070 super 12gb at 600 is too high bro. Should been 400-500 msrp bro.

They probably will when the 4080 super comes out i hope so i can finally snatch myself the xtx

They should have done so pre emptively. Amd is too slow to take action. They're happy with nvidias scraps ​@@TOTALdAk1nG

You can find an rx 7900xt for below $600, the lowest I found one for selling was $471, it's not high if you can look hard enough, this is going to be my future gpu probably

@@RebirthRavenIX used I assume

@@RebirthRavenIX in germany the prices of the xtx and xt are nuts even used costing around 50-80$ less than new while the new xtxs are still almost 1000$ here

Why ?? 3060TI 8G was around £400+ for £180 more your getting a GPU that performs better than my 3080TI in most cases (that was £1049 - ok it was crazy pandemic times) but still 3080TI performance for £580 ?? not to mention DLSS 3 & Frame Gen if you want that too 😁😁

@@genx156 I don't think you understand the comment, the 3060Ti fits the needs of OP quite fine since it's implied that it's already owned as of right now. 40 series is a clown show mess so why upgrade each generation when not even the 4060Ti is a massive leap, even the 3060Ti is on par with the 2080 Super without even needing any proprietary frame generation or DLSS.

Lol. People are getting absolutely ridiculous with this 12g Vram being a deal breaker. It's perfectly acceptable for a 70 series card.

@@ronniekregar3482 Was thinking the same. My son got my old 10g 3080 and there are very few games he cant play at max at 1440p ultrawide. People are just going to have to accept AI is here to stay and the 70 series being 300 -400 days are gone. I have a job, a lot of gamers (computer gamers) are aging and have one as well, if i want it I will buy it. Heck i payed 1300 for my 3080, and 2200 for my 4090. I have no regrets because I got my moneys worth.

​@@ronniekregar3482not when is 600$

Maybe the extra $100 is for the Nvidia name?

​@@cherry8385i think the playstation name is bigger than the nvidia name

They really need to bring down the prices. Else it's gonna be another skip generation. I can't wait to skip it! 👌

Yeah idk what he was on about the tier thing, he probably meant to say either price it a tier lower or make it perform a tier higher. Since the 7800xt actually uses a x700xt class die, we can safely say this is a cash grab by both nvidia and amd

An AMD card needs to be 35-40% cheaper than an equivalent Nvidia card to even register on people's radar. Nvidia's _mindshare_ is too strong. That is, if they wanna gain some actual market share and not have Intel eat their lunch. Which they don't seem to mind. They had a very good opportunity to release the 7600 XT at $299 or lower, and they blew it with $329. 😐 Because money. The 7900 XT should have been called the 7800 XT. So AMD "pulled an Nvidia" with that one. And the 7800 XT should have been called the 7700 XT.

@@zdspider6778 if lowering their pants and bending over is what it takes for AMD to take marketshare i guess they are not going to do it.

Who's losing their jobs? 3.7% unemployment rate and people are still spending.

I get ur point but the 3060 definitely didnt get nearly as to the 2080 as the 4070 does to tge 3080. Stay out of 4k and there's barely a difference and u definitely can't lump 1440p and 4k together when 4k is nearly 10% slower like u said while 1440p is like 2%. If they gave it a couple more sms to even 3070ti cuda core count it'd be a good 4060ti for $450 while the 4070 super would be fine as a regular 4070 if it was $550. 4080 is also a 4070ti imo if u compare it to a real 70ti like the 1070ti rather than the joke that is the 3070ti.

True luckily somehow as a result im seeing a good aib model of the 4070 ti base for $1070 Australian. Also it's $1110 in Australia but that's still awful when the regular 4070 has been at $900 for nearly a year. Either way about $50 aud under what the 3080 launched at for a 4070ti with a good cooler isn't bad imo.

cope

Honestly, I couldn't agree with you more on this one. I thought I had a steal back when I got my EVGA 1070 FTW out of the box (return) for just slightly under $400. (Also, just a few months before the bitcoin farming that made my card worth $1k+) After that buy, I thought to myself, I'd only spend about 400-500 for a significant upgrade, and not a single card sparks a fire in my wallet. Ngl, I'm ready to get a PS5 Pro at this point. 😮‍💨

To be fair, people bought the 3070 and just about any 30 series card because of the double whammy of covid/stay at home, and the GPU mining bubble. Those two situations are gone, and now we have the double whammy of inflation and recession.

They won't drop it that low. Amd isn't aggressive enough. Maybe $850 at best. Most likely $900

All Gen's are a cash grab - that's business 😁😁

I mean if you're getting the performance you want, what's the difference?.

No shit it’s a cash grab that’s how a business works. If customers are willing to buy a product then they will continue to sell it.

​@@genx156gtx 10 series a cash grab? damnn

"Cash grab"... Only if you let them grab it. Does anyone even understand basic economics anymore?

thats nuts....but you guys have better women 🥹

Price and the performance.

@@mitsuhh I mean, I'd amend it to 'value' but you can have a good value 1,000 dollar GPU and nobody is going to buy it.

Very skeptical indeed

They'll delay launch until they have no previous gen inventories, missing the boat at the same time. They are the missed opportunity company.

@@liberteus yep. will be as good as 7900gre or 7900xt at best I'm thinking. AMD will screw it up anyway.

@nickwarrior5 that holds less weight now that amd is sort of catching up on features but not fully there yet. Also AMD drivers are not dumpster fire for some time now. Either way the 7900xt will become ewaste unless it price drops again after the 70ti super launches.

Well they look at value too not just cash in hand. Objectively these new cards meet that criteria but it's probably still not enough.

@@timotmon the problem with value is that the big corporations like nvidia want to dictate what value is to the customers but the fact is its the individual customers who decide the value of products to them.

@@Eric-ct2ri Well dictate is a strong word. It's their product after all and they need to set sales projections to their shareholders by creating a MSRP by predicting what the demand will be. So based on what you said. How can it be any other way? If the consumer rejects the offering, in theory more course correction will come when the next version of the product is released. However in Nvidia's case.. what do they care? Their stock price keeps going up anyway.

@@timotmon its not a strong word its a fact and it doesnt matter that its their product. its our money and we decide what has value to us not the otherway around. and their stock price is going up sure but not because of geforce its inspite of geforce ie its their data center driving the stock to go up not the gaming side... and if they didnt care why release 40 series super cards...

@@Eric-ct2ri I never said otherwise. The consumer dictates the value. This is what I said in my first response to you. lol

Yep and couldn't be happier

Then you're part of the problem. Some Nvidia exec out there is rubbing his hands going like *"SEE?? I told you MID-RANGE for $600 was a good idea!".* 😐

You expected that to happen in day 1 of 4070S launch? _😂😅😂_ Give it a bit of time and it might go to 500

@@florianoprescu2171 it’s already at 500$ tbf plus im new to the pc thing so I just bought the 4070S that’s what people have recommended me to do

Amd did drop the price for 7900xt and xtx though, but yeah was hoping to see 7800xt price a bit down as well, though seeing 4070s demand is not as high as many predicted we probably not gonna see aggressive price cut for 7800xt anytime soon

7800xt can be found around that price

@@tomthomas3499 but for that price range I might as well test my luck on getting a 4070S TI

Technically 7800XT is more than a console

Are you paying 700$ to 900$ for 1080p. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

inflation doesn't follow wages so no. Part of why is due to mega corporations doing exactly what nvidia is doing, price gouging.

Europe has 20% VAT and Australia has 10% GST

People really don't understand the concept of price "gouging", but they want to accuse Nvidia of doing it on every release on every forum every time. lol

@@timotmon when a retailer publishes an MSRP for a global product release, then posts a completely different, higher, MSRP on their official website for their FE cards then it's absolutely price gouging.

@@AndyViant first, he’s blaming nvidia for what retailers are doing. Second, price gouging is raising prices on essential items during an emergency. If you can explain to the world why you need to be able to play cyberpunk at max settings during a flood… then by all means share that with us.

@@timotmon US price gouging law definitions are not the only ones used in a global market.

Isn't it better/on par with my 12G 3080TI on a 384 bit bus ?? and using 220w where my 3080TI uses up to 362w ?? and it's like £580 where I paid £1049 for my 3080TI ?? I'd say it's pretty exciting 🤣🤣 should I mention Frame Gen or DLSS 3 ?

​@@Slappi2nah bro has a point tho

@@Slappi2 Shhh.... It's a Secret 😂. If I were Jensen - I think I'd be using a 4090TI 😁 Just pop one out my oven 🤣🤣

hes not gaslighting it is literally a mid range gpu and they are selling it for 600$... 200 to 300 used to be the price of mid range but now its 600$ and 300$ is now low end gimped trash pcie x8 and 128bit bus...

RTX 5090 starts at 2500$.The maths.1599+30% new tsmc 3nm+20% new and more memory 32gb gddr7+more nv greed 😉 So get ready 🙂

I mean, their gaming revenue rose to double that of amd in the last quarter, so what is nvidia's expectations, 10x of amd?

​@@Dani-kq6qq Oh yeah... 1.57B is "twice" 1.5B if one is high, i guess 🤷‍♂️

@@calisto2735 nvidia gaming revenue last quarter was 2.86 billion, amd was 1.5 bilion. So yeah, not quite wx, just 1.9x the size of amd gaming revenue.

thats not even half true the 4090s are selling like crazy all the time

@@calisto2735 nvidia's gaming revenue was 2.86 billion last quarter not 1.57 billion. Which isnt exactly 2x, more like 1.9x the revenue of gaming revenue of AMD

This is a complete lie. 2080 Ti is nowhere close to 4070 Ti in raster performance

Because a lot of people play them.

@@harrybryan9633 not anymore

Why not save 200$ and get 4070Ti Super? 4080 Super should only be max 15% faster for 25% higher price. And you aren't getting any additional Vram or features.

@@magikarp2063 It's faster than 15% and that percentage does make a big difference depending on the game, I would say the 4080 super is at least 20% over the 4070 TI super to say the least. the original 4080 was already a huge jump over the original 4070 TI, it was just 1200$ but now your getting about 10-15% performance increase with the 4080 super over the original 4080 with a lower price. it will age a lot better then the 4070 TI super due to the better performance uplift, there's more to video cards then just Vram. 16GB of Vram is going to be just fine for the next three years. game DEVS are optimizing for what's in the current gen consoles so I don't see 16GB of Vram really being an issue until probably the 9th gen consoles are released. 8GB of VRam was fine for a very long time, even the 2080TI it didn't really need 11GB but because of nvidia's marketing people thought that it was was needed even tho it wasn't because with the 30 series 8 was still fine back then. People think that AMD is brining better value with the 7900 XT due to 20GB of VRAM when reality there are no games that even utilizes that amount of VRAM in order to max everything out even at 4k, 16 will be fine for at least until the 60 series, possibly longer. AMD is just taking advantage of marketing by saying we have more VRAM so we have better value which is BS. There is no modern games that use nowhere near over 16GB sure their are some that use a little over 12GB or maybe around 14GB but that's really minor and just means for the next few years 16GB of VRAM will be the standard, so there's no reason for a 20GB card just for playing games, even at 4K. it's all BS marketing. and by the time 20GB of VRAM is needed in games' the GPU core of the 4080 Super won't be fast enough, which will probably won't be until the 60 series end of life cycle

@@robertslawjr I agree about Vram, if you are going to buy a high end gpu it should be Nvidia. Paying so much money and not getting the better Nvidia features, even if you get slightly more raw value, isn't worh it imo. But if you think 200$ for 15% more performance is worh it for you go for it. I'm just so obsessed with value that I refuse to upgrade my super old rx570 untill I see something I feel like is very much worth the price, so I think in a different way. I'm thinking about getting 4070S or maybe 7800XT if AMD drops the price soon.

@@magikarp2063 I think its best to just wait for reviews to see benchmarks and actual in game performance with the cards to judge. I thought about it but Ill consider the 4070 TI super depending on how big the gap is for games I want to play. AMD is not bringing any real value, that's a lie that bias reviewers are screaming about. their is a reason why nvidia is still 98% of the GPU market. It's because they innovate. They just have thee better features. 4070 TI super will be fine for normal 1440p but in terms of ultra wide or 4k I want to be able to upgrade my monitor once i'm ready to do so.

disagree

same 😊