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Kroum Batchvarov - Underwater Ship Archaeologist

Kroum Batchvarov - Underwater Ship Archaeologist

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The images of the Ancient Greek, Roman and Eastern Roman, aka Byzantine, shipwrecks are from the Black Sea Maritime Archaeological Project, directed by Prof. Jonathan Adams in collaboration with the Assoc. Prof. Lyudmil Vagalinski of the Bulgarian Archaeological Institute, co-directed by Prof. Johan Ronnby and Yours Truly. The 3D models were made by Dr. Rodrigo Pacheco-Ruiz. I am currently working on the reconstruction of the Byzantine wreck.
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@herobrinesblog
@herobrinesblog 6 ай бұрын
There is a peace to these videos, its quite a confort video.
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 6 ай бұрын
Thank you! I am glad this is how they act upon you!
@genojoe3176
@genojoe3176 6 ай бұрын
Thank you, Professor! Always great information.
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for the kind words!
@utubefroggy
@utubefroggy 6 ай бұрын
I so look forward to your talks, it is obvious that you are passionate about your career, your knowledge is considerable and very much appreciated. The enjoyment of sharing what you have lived has to be very rewarding. Thank you allowing us to listen.
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 6 ай бұрын
Thank you ever so much for the very kind and flattering words! I am passionate about my work and I find it to be deeply exciting. I have seen things that no one has seen in millennia. I do enjoy talking about it and that’s why I enjoy being a professor: for 1.15 hrs the students have to listen to what I am interested in and can’t change the topic! In what other social environment would that be possible?! 😆 They can interrupt to ask relevant questions, but can’t change the topic - love it!
@mikaelyalov571
@mikaelyalov571 4 ай бұрын
The nuances of scientific debate were quite exciting, by the end of the video I forgot that it was about the rudders 😂 Anothe brilliant lecture, watching in awe!
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 4 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for the very kind comment! I am glad you are enjoying the videos!
@tedr.
@tedr. 6 ай бұрын
Sometimes the Gods of History, allow us to get a glimpse of these vessels!!! I experience the excitement of these discoveries through your series and I thank you for that!!
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 6 ай бұрын
It was a once in a lifetime experience for sure!
@chrismacks3881
@chrismacks3881 6 ай бұрын
So much to learn from you sir. Thank for another interesting subject.
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 6 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for the kind words!
@fredericrike5974
@fredericrike5974 6 ай бұрын
Being an academic, I wouldn't have thought you to have contrarian tendencies, Kroum. But the look of unbridled joy as you explained how in a trice, you and your compatriots had destroyed 200 hundred years of archeological work was awesome! And your point about not making assumptions till you have the real deal in your sights is well taken about many fields. And some of the boo boos disregarding that have caused are enormous- I'm sure you have heard about "all the evils of fracking" in oil and gas wells, many wanting to ban it; in any well below about 9-10k feet, it is possible to weight up the circulating drilling mud enough to cause it to fracture many types of formations and loose all of the drilling fluids. Until just after WW 2, such losses were reported as "lost fluids in VUG" or "volume underground"; this was reported hundreds of times in the early drilling in West Texas alone, but it was finally discovered and established that after drilling millions of these holes all over the world that only 5 actual penetrations of a cave or other underground chamber had happened- they were actually crudely "fracking". PS; The drilling mud is pumped down the drilling pipe to the bit, where it is used to drive the grinding teeth, then out of the bit into the bore; the 'weighting is to get the fluid to a higher specific gravity than the grindings left in the hole and floats them out. Sorry for bending your ear- but your point about self satisfied people ignoring truths right in front of them really resonated. Thank you for another little ray of light into the world of so long ago!
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 6 ай бұрын
Ah this is totally outside the limits of my knowledge, I have to say. To clarify, we outdated 200 years of historical writing: not archaeological material 😀
@manfredagne6738
@manfredagne6738 6 ай бұрын
That was so interesting! When you mentioned transversal tillers with two quarter rudders, I was wondering how one would steer a ship with those. To steer with both rudders in the same direction, you would have to push one tiller forward, and the other aft. You either need two people steering, or the man at the tiller would always be forced to turn away (!) from the direction he is steering the ship. And of course the reach of his arms would limit the possible rudder angle. With two longitudinal tillers, you can simply grab one with each hand, and move them in the same direction.
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 6 ай бұрын
We have no tillers surviving from the medieval ship, alas. Or from the Byzantine. Once we complete the analyst the distance between the rudders will Tell us how they were steered: one or two helmsmen
@JayJSMN-tz1nv
@JayJSMN-tz1nv 5 ай бұрын
Wonderful!!👍👍👍
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 5 ай бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@ronc7743
@ronc7743 5 ай бұрын
Kinda makes sense from a safety point of view. If a rudder moving through the water strikes something the top will move forward. If the rudder stock is behind the sailor and strikes something the stock will hit the sailor. Same for the tiller.
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 5 ай бұрын
Yes, indeed. A system that has survived for 3-4,000 years, can’t be stupid
@akellasgarage7467
@akellasgarage7467 6 ай бұрын
Thank you Mr.Batchvarov for the another fascinating journey in the world of ship building archaeology!
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 6 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for watching!
@emontes9452
@emontes9452 6 ай бұрын
tremendous information mr kroum, I am learning a lot from your videos, very grateful god bless you.
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 6 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for the kind words! I really appreciate it!
@davidlund5003
@davidlund5003 6 ай бұрын
Amazing
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 6 ай бұрын
Thank you- I have been fortunate to see all these things.
@stevenlowe3026
@stevenlowe3026 5 ай бұрын
Of course! That clears up a problem that had been bothering me. If the tillers face *aft*, then they don't obstruct access from the stern to the rest of the ship, as they would if they faced across the ship. It also means that there must have been *two* steersmen, not a single one holding both tillers! Another point - are the tillers slightly out of line (facing somewhat inboard) compared to the rudder blades? That would make it easier to manoeuvre them without being restricted by a poop railing.
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 5 ай бұрын
In the case of the Roman wreck from the title, the ship is too small to have had room for a second helmsman. The Ancient Greek wreck, ditto. Only one of the sites, a 4th c AD Roman ship, was wide enough in the stern to have two helmsmen.
@stevenlowe3026
@stevenlowe3026 5 ай бұрын
@@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist Thank you. That makes a lot of sense. I'd expect that something the size and shape of the Contarina ship would need two helmsmen, as it's relatively wide near the stern. And is there any available information on the relative angles of the tiller and the rudder blade?
@Pocketfarmer1
@Pocketfarmer1 6 ай бұрын
Hey Doc. Now you have to get someone to build a new one to see how they go. I have heard it said that larboard and starboard came from loading board side and steering board side. It may just be modernish myth. Thanks for another good Sunday.
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 6 ай бұрын
The steering board at least is believed to be true.
@Dal8077
@Dal8077 6 ай бұрын
Thank you, Kroum, for taking the time to make and edit these excellent and informative videos. Q. Could the two quarter rudders account the narrowness of the vessel's stern, because the helm (or steersman) would need to access both.
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 6 ай бұрын
The editing is entirely done by Olya- I have no contribution there at all! Yes, they could, of course. However, the large 3-4th c Roman ship is likely too wide in the stern for one person to steer with both rudders
@Dal8077
@Dal8077 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for your update, and great work by Olya. I see, thanks, so possibly a coordinated helmsmen effort for the larger Roman ships.
@donatasbruzas9933
@donatasbruzas9933 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for your videos. I also would like you to remember a promised video about the Sheldon's model :)
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 6 ай бұрын
Aye aye… I remember now. Also Olya reminded me that I have promised one.
@BerlinCardYard
@BerlinCardYard 6 ай бұрын
Dear Professor Batchvarov, what a highly interesting footage and informaty comments on it. So my question is: could you also do a series on sails and rigg? Based on the physical findings in the sea. So I would like to listen to it by chapters about schooner, square, latina sails, ???, and it's rigg through the centuries? What it's development inflicted on changes to the shipbuilding? Your series are very important for modelship builders as your wife's are. Thank you very much. Best wishes from Berlin, Christian
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 6 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for watching! Well, actually- yes, probably I could do series on different rigs. We found a lot of vessels with their rigs present, if not always standing in the Black Sea, numerous vessels were found in the Baltic that have masts standing. As to lateeners: the wreck I excavated in the Black Sea was a lateen-rigged ship, though little survived of the rig. The Byzantine wreck was also lateen-rigged ship.
@pitanpainter2140
@pitanpainter2140 6 ай бұрын
Thank-you, that was fascinating content. I'd love to build a (reasonably) accurate model of an ancient Greek vessel, and that tiller detail would help. OT: I'm not sure how the title relates to your content.
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 6 ай бұрын
Thank you- the title was pure case of “editing this at 1 am” on the part I of the director and producer- she is correcting it right now 😀 We are hoping to do the reconstruction and publish the Ancient Greek vessel within the year. We are behind schedule due to Covid, health issues among us and… just plain life and work getting in the way. I think we are back on track, though.
@hein_von_der_werft
@hein_von_der_werft 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for another very interesting video. The pictures of the vessels are impressive. Are the water-conditions in the Black-Sea comparable to the Baltic-Sea, because of the good conservation status of the wrecks ? Greetings from Germany.
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 6 ай бұрын
In deep waters, yes. The low oxygen levels prevent teredo navalis from living just as the low salinity in the Baltic prevents it from existing. That’s why we find ships in such outstanding condition there.
@hein_von_der_werft
@hein_von_der_werft 6 ай бұрын
Thank you! It is allways interesting!
@homemadehistory7537
@homemadehistory7537 6 ай бұрын
That was nice and again a very good explanation of the topic😀👍If I understood right, there are two rudders with tillers pointing to the aft of the ship. That means we need two man on it . and in case the rudder is laid strongly one has to stnd outside of the ship ? Maybe there was a staff that linked both tillers so if they moved the linkage they could move both rudders the same time and dont need to lean over bord.....
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 6 ай бұрын
On this specific ship, the space is so small that one person could have done the steering easily. On large vessels, probably two helmsmen. A cross bar is the logical solution, but we have no evidence for its existence: no iconography shows a transversal connecting timber between the tillers.
@Hellspijker
@Hellspijker 6 ай бұрын
thank you for the video, title may be wrong? As i want to build a greek and roman ship, this is very good to know before beginning.
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 6 ай бұрын
On the title: the Director and Producer is duly notified and is planning to correct it! There are a number of Roman wrecks that have been excavated and even published to a decent standard. The French did a few. Few survive as well as the Black Sea ones, of course. We’ll never have the bottom of the BS wrecks, but we do have the upper works. We are sadly and embarassingly behind schedule on publishing them, but the first one on which we are about to concentrate is the Ancient Greek vessels (and the Byzantine- I am nearing completion there).in the next 1-3 years, I am hoping that we shall publish them all. I suspect Olya will produce either models or drawings for plank on bulkhead for them, too.
@Dal8077
@Dal8077 6 ай бұрын
I wonder if a full size sailable mock-up vessel, to test the new steering configuration, will yield results as well?
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 6 ай бұрын
We have quite a few “replicas” With quarter rudders in operation: from Kyrenia through Ma’again Mikhael, a French-built replica, the Viking ships replicas, the newer Kyrenia reconstructions and even a pseudo- Egyptian ship. So the knowledge of operations is there. You are right that it could be interesting how the performance changes with the shape that we saw. But that can be better and cheaper tested in a tow tank.
@Dal8077
@Dal8077 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for your answer. Great to hear that there are so many replicas afloat and practical ways to test out new information that we've learned from you and your colleagues archaeological discoveries.
@bengilbert5610
@bengilbert5610 6 ай бұрын
How could a square-rigged vessel with a single mast stepped so far forward sail in any direction except down wind? Did they only sail down wind and row the rest of the time?
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 6 ай бұрын
This is a question that has often been asked. I suspect that the sail was not used only the way we imagine square sails used, but likely the way the late 17th c brigantines may have been handled: more like a lug sail. It is unlikely that merchant ships would have had the manpower to row against the wind a cargo ship. For the Kyrenia ship we know she had a crew of 7 people or so.
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