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Drawings of Dutch ships of the 17th century

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Kroum Batchvarov - Underwater Ship Archaeologist

Kroum Batchvarov - Underwater Ship Archaeologist

Күн бұрын

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@tedr.
@tedr. 3 ай бұрын
Another intriguing talk on a Pleasant Sunday! Thank you very much!
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 3 ай бұрын
My pleasure!
@DARIVSARCHITECTVS
@DARIVSARCHITECTVS 3 ай бұрын
Kroum, I would love to see a video on basic frame structures and changes from the 16th to the 18th centuries, with discussion of variations between nations. Thank you for being a veritable font of knowledge for us modelers. -Kurt
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 3 ай бұрын
Great suggestion!
@tommasobalconi
@tommasobalconi 3 ай бұрын
A most interesting topic. A video on framing history/development would be greatly appreciated!
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 3 ай бұрын
Thank you! I am already working on this topic...
@cajunrandy2143
@cajunrandy2143 3 ай бұрын
👍👍👍👍👍
@genojoe3176
@genojoe3176 3 ай бұрын
As always, thank you for the information! I was at the convention and saw Olha, this Saturday but sadly you were not there. Maybe next year!
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 3 ай бұрын
I hope to see you next year!
@davidlund5003
@davidlund5003 3 ай бұрын
Thankyou
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 3 ай бұрын
My pleasure!
@kevinkenny5122
@kevinkenny5122 3 ай бұрын
Wonderful presentation. Made my Sunday. This gives me a good incentive to start collecting this data in the hope of building one of these fine ships some time in the future to reflect the Maritime history of 1677 even though no specific drawings of these dutch ships in Tobago exist. . . As always your videos are greatly appreciated. Kevin
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 3 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for watching! Glad it was helpful!
@andrewjones1649
@andrewjones1649 3 ай бұрын
Thank you, Doctor. Wonderfully informative. However, if you're not careful, I shall be watching you for your comedic asides, as much as your historic content. 😂😂
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 3 ай бұрын
Thank you very much)))
@oliverglier8605
@oliverglier8605 3 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for this beautiful presentation. I would like to add that some of the drawings have been published in Frank Howard's book "Sailing Ships of War". Also, Shipyard offers a very nice cardboard model (in two scales) of the 3 masted yacht which only slightly differs in size and gunport arrangement. They dated their model in the 1620ties under the name Papegojan - at least 20 years too early in my opinion. Last year I visited the Uelvesbüller shipwreck which gives some impression of the technique of dutch shipbuilding and frame arrangement. But it is a rather small ship and I don't know how well this extrapolates to larger vessels. It is a very interesting topic indeed. So I hope that one day your findings will be available for the general public.
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 3 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for your comment and kind words! Yes, these are the same drawings from Howard. I have seen photos of the Papegojan and you may well be right that the inspiration for it are these drawings. My friend Taras Pevny who recently reminded me of these drawings is in the process of studying them, though I don’t know when he will publish his findings. Until he does, I, obviously, can’t study them specifically. One day, however, when I find myself with leisure time to spare (meaning after I publish the 40 or so sites that I have to!) I may sit down and redraw the lines of these vessels and run hydrostatic analysis to see how they stack. There is a mid-17th c wreck of a middling-sized merchant ship that was excavated by the Dutch some decades ago. It has a cursory publication but no detail technical study, as far as I am aware. However what is visible of the frames coincides with what we see in smaller vessels, on Vasa and on Batavia. And on the jachr Vergulde Draeck’s fragments (for it is no more that survives of her), on the Mauritius, etc. Thus the method is well-attested in the archaeological record for variety of sized . In fact, for smaller coastal and inner waters craft, they continued to be built this way into the 19th c.
@stewartmarshall4112
@stewartmarshall4112 13 күн бұрын
Most entertaining and informative! I built a plank on frame model in boxwood and pear wood based on that first drawing you displayed, of the small pinas. Interesting that you mentioned the authenticity of the drawing was called into question. I recall that it was Ab Hoving who had written a detailed analysis of the drawing and determined that it was an 18th Century 'fake'. This was several years ago. Have you discussed this with him since then? At any rate, thank you for these wonderful youTube presentations and lectures. I am already addicted to them. (And yes, I once read your masters thesis. All is forgiven!).
@andreastimper9848
@andreastimper9848 3 ай бұрын
I actually like your Master's Thesis quite well.
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 3 ай бұрын
This is very kind of you! I do stand by the data. The excavation of Warwick (1619 wrecked) confirms the data. However the style of writing… ponderous is a polite way to describe it :-) For years I have been thinking of publishing an article based on it but after a major rewriting.
@yxx_chris_xxy
@yxx_chris_xxy 3 ай бұрын
I missed the part where you are telling us where/how we can find these drawings? Thanks!
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 3 ай бұрын
They are in the maritime museum in Amsterdam, I believe. Taras Pevny is studying them and I am looking forward to his analysis of them.
@yxx_chris_xxy
@yxx_chris_xxy 3 ай бұрын
@@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist Thanks a lot!
@Pocketfarmer1
@Pocketfarmer1 3 ай бұрын
You inspired me to take a quick dive into historic Dutch measures. Now my head hurts. Feet with 11 inches, why? 12 I am used to .10 ,I get. 11?! Did the Dutch have six toes on one foot and five on the other?
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 3 ай бұрын
The different towns, regions, provinces were fiercely independent and steeped deep in their traditional rights and privileges that date to the Dark Ages almost. In fact this is how the troubles with the Spanish Habsburg began: the Habsburgs attempted to rationalize the measures and taxes ignoring the local traditions. We know how that ended!
@lutzderlurch7877
@lutzderlurch7877 3 ай бұрын
Absolutely awesome content and very pleasant way of communication. Only point of critique would be the microphone used, as it slightly sounds as if covered by a sock.
@OlhaBatchvarov
@OlhaBatchvarov 3 ай бұрын
It's because of a broken microphone! I need to buy a new...
@lutzderlurch7877
@lutzderlurch7877 3 ай бұрын
@@OlhaBatchvarov As I work my way through your other videos, I noticed this being an odd one out, sound wise. I absolutely love your content and style of presentation. If I didn't have many other expensive hobbies already, I'd be into model building. Thank you for your work, very much appreciated! A.
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 3 ай бұрын
The channel is not exactly an earning proposition. We are aware that there is a microphone issue and need to upgrade it, but somehow haven’t yet been able to do so. Point well taken though!
@thomasnuyts9725
@thomasnuyts9725 3 ай бұрын
Great margin of improvement when it comes to the voice audio quality that is not on par with the quality of your content and your Dutch pronunciation 😊 Thanks for sharing.
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for your kind words. Alas, my Dutch pronunciation tends to puzzle the Dutch 😆They tend not to recognize the words I am trying to pronounce. Microphone- it needs to be replaced with better quality, but the budget for it does not exist. The channel is not exactly a financially rewarding proposition :-)
@thomasnuyts9725
@thomasnuyts9725 3 ай бұрын
I am Flemish and am puzzled by the Dutch pronunciation most of the time 😁
@ossielonen9866
@ossielonen9866 3 ай бұрын
Hello Dr. Batchvarov! This is quite interesting, are these the same drawings Ab Hoving is writing about in his article published in the Nautical Research Journal (65.1, Spring 2020)? In that article his conclusion is pretty much the exact opposite of this video, namely that the paper used in the drawing seems to date from a later period than depicted, and most notably a nice (or rather an accurate) model can't be built from them since a 3D model shows that a ship made from these drawings wouldn't actually float that well... Have there perhaps been further studies since mr. Hoving's that again reverse the conclusions?
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist
@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 3 ай бұрын
As far as I am aware, the paper has been subjected to tests that proved it to be 17th century. Personally I haven’t seen the analysis, but seems to be pretty conclusive. Ab Hoving is a man whom I deeply respect and would never dismiss his opinion lightly. He has done a lot about bringing better understanding of Dutch shipbuilding to the front. His work has been very influential for me.
@angelcascales1082
@angelcascales1082 3 ай бұрын
No se pueden poner los subtítulos en español!
@RodrigoSart-hr8zh
@RodrigoSart-hr8zh 3 ай бұрын
Você fez uma pergunta ou é uma afirmativa?
@OlhaBatchvarov
@OlhaBatchvarov 3 ай бұрын
Puedes activar la traducción automática y elegir español. En la parte inferior derecha está el engranaje: ¡este es el escenario!
@RodrigoSart-hr8zh
@RodrigoSart-hr8zh 3 ай бұрын
@@OlhaBatchvarov Acho que você não me entendeu. O sentido do que está escrito acima me dá a impressão de ser uma pergunta. Mas, como não tem a interrogação, me parece uma afirmação.
@Paul_C
@Paul_C 3 ай бұрын
​@@RodrigoSart-hr8zhnever reply to a question you haven't asked. Sure, the initial 'remark' was, eh, rude. When people forget they speak a different language and CC wasn't active I can understand that. You reacting 'is this a question?' is understood. However your last reaction was below par, and not even directed to the person who asked. You made a mistake, deal with it.
@RodrigoSart-hr8zh
@RodrigoSart-hr8zh 3 ай бұрын
@@Paul_C Não cometi erro algum. O ponto de interrogação tem a mesma função no Português, no Inglés e no Espanhol. Senti perfeitamente que havia algo de estranho na pergunta ou na afirmativa em questão. Portanto, cabe ao autor um esclarecimento, exceto se houver, pela estrutura dessas línguas, algum tipo de compreensão que extrapola o meu conhecimento.
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