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Primordial has this in the bag. The fact is that it still managed to defeat a full-power Gaismagorm and the Qurio swarm despite being in a severe disadvantage size and number-wise respectively. It's going to dispose of Ruiner with little effort. Just look at what it did to poor Velkhana. He hit her with the nastiest combo of her life. Those black spikes aren't going to do shit against those shield wings considering a Hellfire blast, a spear tail and an ice laser at full blast were shrugged off with no effort. And this isn't like some boosted Malzeno either, this is what they're supposed to be by default. The ones we fought before were weakened by the Qurio, yet it still throws Vekhana and Scorned Magnamalo around. If anything, we were fighting it while it was in a disadvantage due to the Qurio's interference. TL;DR - Primordial wins because it's already succeeding in its goals while dealing with outside interference constantly. Nergigante's species meanwhile can't even clutch a 2-v-1, while Primordial won against a raid boss and Fatalis-knows-how-many Qurios.

In terms of pure strength and endurance, Ruiner has the edge. In terms of finesse, dexterity and speed Primordial has the edge.

Lorewise I'd give this one to Prime Malzeno. While both of them are capable of beating elder dragons that are more threatening, Malzeno handles Gaismagorm all by itself which is more impressive than Nergi finishing Shara after waiting it to be worn out. Malzeno also naturally posseses dragon element which gives it the edge.

Im gonna have to give this to Primal Mal tbh because while the hp at the end showed Nergi being slightly higher, you gotta remember P. Mal didnt even go into his final phase yet. If hes in final phase form he tears apart these EDs far faster.

Primordial Malzeno going into phase 2 just as Velkhana's super move goes off was badass.

For me, it’s Primordial. Even if they are equals, I personally prefer the archangel knight more than the metallic hedgehog (lorewise and and fightwise). Ruiner stayed under some rocks waiting for us to weaken Shara, while Primordial faces Gaismagorm head on along with the Qurio swarms.

Nobody has the answer between us, but if we try to follow the lore, technically Nergigante is built by the ecosystem to kill other elder dragons when they are too much, so, it needs to be a lot stronger then other elders to literally eat them, Malzeno probably included. Furthermore, as the wiki says, only its presence is capable of scare the fuck out of the elders causing them to invade other territories in order to not cross Nergigante, moreover, it's attracted by large amounts of bioenergy, which it needs (a lot) to reproduce, attacking extremely powerful monsters to feed itself to do that. On the other hand the wiki attribute to Malzeno the only purpose in nature to keep in check the qurio, and as we can see, not fulfulling the task. There's not really something to say about Malzeno, except that it is just stronk. I like both honestly, but until the devs speaks clear we can just fantasize/hypothesize about it.

This is a really interesting comparison between 2 monsters from different MH games! Would you do other comparisons like this in the future? I hope you do 😊

Interesting results overall. Ruiner Nergigante has always been a kind of middling opponent in Monster-vs-Monster fights in Iceborne, but Sunbreak's trio are much more formidable on average. Seems like their prowess was just that much better than Ruiner Nergigante's lackluster-ness. Definitely would like to see the damage numbers on how these fights went down, though.

This was a fun video, comparing these two new fan favorites. If they were to ever actually meet, I think Ruiner is stronger than Primordial until the qurio come in. The raw brutality and strength of a Nergigante is just unmatched. Primordial may be a bit smarter though and is way more agile so it definitely has more than a chance if it plays it right. If Qurio get involved though Primordial just becomes a different more savage and relentless beast, so it'll just become hard for Nergiante to keep up.

I think the fight between ruiner and primordial would be sort of even until primordial goes into his final stage and starts popping off ults and 8 hit combos.

Here's a horrific thought for everyone: Arch Tempered Primordial Malzeno(MHWI's hunter speed and fight length in Rise, and many moves become unblockable with shield weapons along with some new Arch Tempered esque mechanic like a new AT Nergigante style harder to dodge move or AT Velkhana's frost armor) and Risen Ruiner Nergigante(MHRS's monster speed, Risen ultimate move like Risen Val's ult, and lack of clutch claw+slinger moves in World)

gameplay wise it has to be P. Malzeno, that lad is relentless when it's enraged

Interesting fight. My personal favorite is nergi

Since the Qurio were Gaismagorms thing & have been dealt with other Primordial Malzeno, or just 'Malzeno' as the varient is actually the original Monster, wouldn't have access to the symbiotic benefits or additional power granted by the afflicted state the Primordial we fight enters. So putting any and all Qurio related abilities in a box we're left with base Primordial anatomy & abilities. • It's still agile & fast though no unable to morb like it's Quriod counterparts. At it's base still makes him more mobile than nergi by comparison, nergis at his fastest during his divebomb but doesn't shine as being notably fast at any other point or attack, whereas base Primalzeno is fast enough to stull pull off multicombos. This info in mind makes more Primo more mobile than Nergi overall imo, putting a point in Primalzenos corner. • It has very tough skin/scales which allow it to use its wings like shields, no doubt this extends to other parts of his body too, which Nergis spikes atleast at their least dense stage I think would have trouble piercing, though his hardened silver & black spikes may just break that defence if used aggressively enough, that along with Nergis fast regeneration & hardening of these spikes I think puts a point in Nergis corner on this one. • Primalzeno fights with a knightactics, using his wings like a sword & shield & his tail like a spear, pairing this intelligent offensive & defensive style with his agile & aggressive movement I believe definitely gives him an initial advantage or Nergis rock 'em sock 'em very brutish & barbaric style. (A Knight vs Viking kinda vibe goin on here) Again with Nergis impressive regenerative capabilities I personally think that pairing this with his combat style is the equaliser here, otherwise Primalzeno would have the advantage outright. So both of them get a point in their corners here. • Though its scales make for a great defense, Primalzeno is more of a slender beast as opposed to Nergis more bulky thiccboi nature, obviously this plays into the mobility of either monster however I do believe that with nergis considerable Brute strength, if he gets a good pin on Primalzeno he could cause some serious breakage beneath the hide or even tear apart membrane from wing or even wing from torso. This however might prove a difficult stratagem just due to how much quicker Primalzeno is. • My final point is their lifestyles, we know Primalzenos territory is the citadel so we can gather it'll fend off Elder & none Elder alike if it must, as for it's diet it hasn't been noted to eat any too significant, but as it can easily keep the likes of a Rathalos caught between it's jaws it's safe to say large monsters are on the menu so it would contend with them regularly. Nergi however, eats Elder Dragons. Elder Dragons are a whole other ball game to most of your large monsters & nergi is known to hunt down, kill & eat them on a regular basis & doesn't seem to discriminate as to size or species, and it eats particularly powerful ones at that given Nergi originates out of The New World where the oldest, most experienced & as a result, most powerful elder Dragons go to live their last & die. This dietary information along with the sheer breadth of threats it entails, I believe puts this last point in Nergis corner, especially Ruiner Netgi which has to have slain & eaten many an Elder Dragon, giving it more varied battle experience. Ruiner Nergigante vs Primordial Malzeno (NOT Quriously morbed) Ruiner Nergigante wins high diff. Ruiner Nergigante vs Primordial Malzeno (Quriously Morbed) Primordial Malzeno wins high diff.

So is Primordial Malzeno a similar case with Nergigante where he relies on pure force rather than an element?

Ruiner just wasn’t designed as an endgame monster. It’s more comparable to Scorned Magnamalo. A better monster to compare to Primordial Malzeno is AT Velkhana. I’ll also mention Velkhana is scaled way higher in Sunbreak than in Iceborne

So satisfying seeing World Kushala get dunked out of the air like that.

6:55 the Dodging my guy

Now I wanna see nergigante vs malzeno now...

I think if we look at this lore wise there are 2 different versions of this fight, with quiro and without quiro Without quiro I think ruiner takes this fight, ruiner is built to take down other elemental elders so between his brute strength, stature, deadly spikes and regen he's got this and primordial malzeno on his own doesn't really have anything special up his sleeve other then the fact he's faster and more agile but that's the case for most elders ruiner fights, With qurios is a more Intresting thing to discuss, do the qurios also attack nergigante? Does nergigante get a go when primordial is trying to resist the qurios, does primordial malzeno execpt the qurios? Lot of different things to consider with qurios

in terms of the video, ruiner had a handicap of taking 10% damage from turfwars each round and primordial didnt and yet im pleasantly surprised that ruiner survived with a higher precentage

Honestly the two of them are top tier elders. I would say a battle between the two could go either way. Both of ‘hunt’ elders above their weight class and both are plenty strong for any opponent. There a few ‘true elders’ that could match these two. The only two that I think could lore and possible gameplay is shagaru and velkhana

Ruiner Nergi is like a berserker while Primal Mail is like a knight both are skilled and fierce, but I guess it just depends on who can endure the most

10:56 Nice move

Those two have the same roll. They’d both be equal matches if they went up against each other.

6:53 really cool moment 👍 Also by looking at this, we can say that they are both equal ( both have pretty much the same % of HP at the end ) however i think lorewise, Primordial Malzeno have the edge for defeating Gaismagorm. Also the gameplay mechanics added in rise such as the elemental blight ( such as the ice blight that slowed down Malzeno during his fight against Velkana ) and the fact that Malzeno have animation where it try to fight Qurio and don't do anything ( meant to create a window to help the palyer fighting him ), make me think that Primordial Malzeno is the strongest because without those issues he would have won easily ( he was ahead until Velkana's fight )

Primzeno: Skilled Knight with years of experience Ruiner: Absolute crackhead

Primezeno! He may have finished at less overall health percentage, but he took the first two dragons out at higher percentages then nergi. It was also only a two percentage hp difference at the end, I feel like overall primezeno did better. (I may also be biased, I think he's a way cooler monster then nergi, paladin knight dragon goes *hard*)

people are going on about primezeno and ruiner, but what about the fact velkhana got so far it took a fair chunk out of both of their healths (to be fair so did teostra, he’s also pretty damn underestimated) and considering how extravagantly low it’s hp was compared to theirs

God I forget how much I like Ruiner. Not as much as Primordial but Ruiner is still a beast!

Primordial Mal is literally a Frontier level elder dragon

I can’t wait for the day modders figure out how to port monsters from one to the other.

Hey I used the part of the vs of the velkhana against the Primordial malzeno and I edited it but I gave you credits.

I pray to Gog we see these two duke it out in the next title

Wow, did the Primordial Malzeno won or not because it looks like he won.

White Knight vs Berserker Pick your protagonist

Damn, before looking at the comments I didn’t know people hated ruiner this much (it could be decency bias but idk)

Even though Nergi ended up with 2%more HP left at the end, Malz killed the 2 first elders faster comparatively. To me it only shows that Velkhana was able to damage Malz more in its Rise version. I would give it to Malz, who didn't even reach its final form.

funny thing is primorbius is literally not a variant it's the original. Also nergi's gonna get shieldbashed. before nergi the only elder dragons that aren't siege fights that you could call physical is shaggy and his big wingarms.

Wow, Kushala got DESTROYED! His attacks barely did any damage. That fills me with immense joy, as I have an intense hatred for Kushala in general. His World version was abysmal. You couldn't hit him half the time because of that stupid wind aura! Don't even get me started on the tornadoes he loves so much...

I hope we get a subspecies for velkhana that evolved to freeze large monsters down the bone

使い回しの縄張り争いのせいでネギが体力削られてるけど、それなかったら圧勝じゃん

I’ve already said it could go either way, the amount of hate I received for that comment was crazy. The game devs have already confirmed both are high tier elders.

Primordial.

Nergigante

...Nergi fanboys must be going crazy right now. Anything related to this dragon-porcupine always causes some drama.

Physical strength goes to ruiner Speed goes to primordial Endurance goes to primordial Abilities goes to primordial Weaponry goes to primordial Intenigence is tied Battle iq can go either way since primordial won against giasma and ruiner waited for shara to be weak Element goes to primordial (if i remember correctly primordial gives dragon sometimes Ailment goes to primordial Primordial wins very high difference

Nergigante forever, let's go!

Shouldn't this be Malzeno vs Velkhana or scorned magna vs ruiner nergi?

Gut > Griffith.

It's a tie 😃

This is not even a debate. The primordial malzeno wins with mid difficulty

The Virgin Ruiner: Keeps getting flinched by Teostra’s blasts The Chad Primordial: *casually stops a super nova from happening*

Bruh "iconic elder dragon" velkhana... Chameleos is the third iconic elder dragon

I love Nergigante so Nergigante.

it seems that in terms of health percent at the end of each fight, Primordial Malzeno wins, 2-1

ruiner nergigante win if you ask me , this thing is absolute defense but at same time freaking killing machine...eventho malzeno is my favourite i think without qurio enhancement hes not that strong

Definitely ruiner Nergigante. He's literally Wolverine after the weapons X program, and the more he kills, the stronger he gets.

Ill always go with my boy Malzeno. Nerg is cool and all, but personally I think it's an overrated monster.

We could say that Nergigante would beat Gaismagorm in battle right?

It would be a really close fight. But I think in the end, Ruiner would win.

Who claims Silver against Lucent?

Here's the thing tho one must consider malzeno without qurio as the qurio on it are unnatural.

well, hazard primordial Malzeno will turn into his final vampire form much earlier, hazard version will make quick work of Nerg for sure

Ruiner takes it handily in pure strength and raw power and probably ferocity as well. Primordial Malzeno has a larger number of weapons and utilizes it's body more like a focused weapon and shield along with teleportation and weaponized Quiro beams 😂💀 It's hard to say. They're two large monsters with bodies like metal. I'd say primordial smokes regular Nergigante but get broken by Ruiner Nergigante.

In lore I'm giving it to Primordial. He can command the Qurio to somewhat Nergs regen and the difference in speed is to great for Nerg to consistently get a win

Is it just me or did kushala doara shrink in his turf war against nergi xD

everyone here conveniently forgetting that Malzeno's final form was only reached with the qurio if this was a normal primordial malzeno and not the one we see in the story it would get shredded by ruiner nergigante also, wouldn't ruiner nergigante technically be the smarter one? other elder dragons are shown to ignore and respect hunters, not just primordial malzeno (though apparently people would love to disagree). ruiner nergigante showed clear planning and patience, letting the hunters destroy shara ishvalda so that it wouldn't have to expend energy fighting it and instead could only finish it off and consume it. open to debating in the replies :)

Nergigante is reliable for consistent appearances through its useful ecological niche. Malzeno (and Gaismagorm) is only as relevant as the Qurio. Without them, the nuances of its presentation aren't compelling.

荒々しさと重厚さの戦いですね。異なるようで両者の持ち味は同じく力であることには違いありません。早く両者を同作品で比べたいものです。

Definitely nergi. He is the bane of elder dragons after all. But if there’s any normal sized elder dragon that will give nergi a fight, it had to be valstrax. He’s literally fighting a jet fast enough that can speedblitz dive bomb him from afar.

This is fully primordial. He fought and won gaismagorm in a 1v1 fight without any distractions, while ruiner needed the hunter to weaken shara in order to win.

Primordial Malzeno WITHOUT Qurio is almost equal to Ruiner Nergigante. However Ruiner is still slightly stronger as he is specifically built to take on other Elder Dragons, and probably no other similar size Elders can match him in Brute Strength. He also got the healing factor, so in a war of attrition, Ruiner is gonna come out on top. However Primordial with Qurios is a different story, in that case it's new ranged attacks will give it an edge over Ruiner. Not to mention it's enhanced speed will help make it's attacks hit further harder. Conclusion? Ruiner wins if Primordial doesn't have Qurios. Once Primordial gets Qurios, it's game over for Ruiner.

Scorned magnamlo no diffs ruiner Nergigante

I always have more trouble with Primordial than Ruiner. And my syart to the war is Nergigante is overrated

100% Malzeno

Ez dub for nergi let's fugen gooo 😭😭

Seething Bazelgeuse: “U both are too weak, whatever at iceborn or sunbreak, I still can beat u all down more easily, like I did to those tournament’s losers(Lucent, Silver, Gold, Furious, Flaming, Scorned, Violet), because I’m the greatest champion of all time!!!!!”

Malzeno wins. Think he's fighting a stronger version of the EDs (they has more and dangerous moves) and in the battle vs Kush and Teo had less problems than Nergi. Also, Nergi has the turf war advantage to deal damage, meanwhile Malzeno only has this with Velkhama Also in lore Malzeno is definitely stronger so I think the winner is clear

As much as I love Primordial Malzeno, you need to remember that he is an elder dragon, and the Nergigante is known as "The Elders Eater" no matter how agile or strong the prey is, the predator will always adapt to subdue it.

Nerg is 1000 times better

When mh6 comes out I hope they bring out an elder dragon that completely bodies ruiner nerg just to show nergi dick riders that he's not a god.