Rule Change To Shake Up EV Charger Installation

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A key change in the rules for EV charger installation is set to dramatically boost work for the electrical trade…
…a global ban on fluorescent lamps is on the cards after 149 countries agreed to consign the tubes to the dustbin of history…
…and electricians share their favourite nicknames for their on-site colleagues…
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00:00 Electrical Industry News - Monday 27th November
00:38 New changes lower EV charger infrastructure costs for firms
01:27 Rush for EV Chargers is gathering pace
02:25 Meet the robot charger that roams car parks to find empty cars
03:44 147 of worlds' largest companies ban flourescent tubes
04:17 Heat pump industry hits out on fake news
04:54 Scolmore expands consumer unit range
05:14 Last weeks' question of the week
05:49 Electricians have been sharing brutal site nicknames
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@Mladjasmilic 6 ай бұрын

I feel so sorry for people in UK for not having 3 phase in their homes. Being able to charge your car up to 3x faster is a nice thing to have. Here, domestic 3 phase socket can supply 7kW at just 10A using a 5x1.5mm cable, which uses 40% less copper than 3x4mm minimal for 32A installation, and 2x less than 3x6mm recommended.

@efixx 6 ай бұрын

😢

@liberatodelgreco4430 6 ай бұрын

Also helps to balance the network, maybe the UK government should be investing in upgrading everyone supply to 3 phase instead of pipes for Hydrogen which will never happen.

@deang5622 6 ай бұрын

@@liberatodelgreco4430No it doesn't help to balance the network. Firstly most loads are genuinely not 3 phase: they are single phase connected across a 3 phase supply. And that is true for EV chargers. Second there is no control over who has 3 phase chargers, neither the quantity or what power dissipation they are or where they are geographically. Given this, it is not possible to balance the network with them. The balancing that is undertaken in the network is done through feeding different streets, different sides of the street from different phases from the distribution transformer.

@edc1569 6 ай бұрын

While I agree with your points, the advantage is we have lower cost solar inverter/battery systems that can easily, and economically, cover 100% of a homes load. I'd rather a 100A single phase supply found in many British homes than some of the sketchy 16A supplies I've found in holiday rentals across europe. I'd still like 3 phase for my EV charger though!

@edc1569 6 ай бұрын

@@liberatodelgreco4430 It doesn't really help balance the network as phases are rotated, this is done at a charge point level as a lot of cars, often hybrids, with type 2 don't actually have 3 phase on-board chargers. It is a little more efficient maybe a couple of percent due to the effective higher voltage - anyone done any studies on this?

@NckBrktt 6 ай бұрын

Heat pumps and EV's feature in the massive disinformation campaigns being use by big oil/gas who are facing existential crisis if net zero is anywhere near achieved. Energy pricing structure in the UK is also still crazy. It acts as a direct disincentive to use electricity. Renewable energy price is locked to gas price and also carbon taxes are placed only on electricity but not on gas making electricity 4 times the price of gas per kWh. This suits both the renewable sector which gets higher revenues, and the gas generation sector which guarantees an above market energy price. The consumer is the one that loses.

@doublehaven 6 ай бұрын

Heat pumps might be four times as efficient but the cost of electricity outside of off peak is currently at least four times the price of gas so the claims of money saving for heat pumps are not there for most. Given they are much more expensive than gas boilers and can only be made viable with a Government Grant it's not really a surprise that the majority of the public don't believe the hype. In the cold weather there is less heat to extract from the air and that's when it's needed most. Ground source is not an option for most. They are not generally compatible with microbore pipework either, there are many 1970s and 1980s houses with this and a re-pipe is very disruptive. Also don't forget that your heat pump is very likely to be powered by a gas power station in the middle of winter on a cold still day when there is no solar or wind.

@efixx 6 ай бұрын

Yeah, my house has microbore pipes so I'm exploring alternatives. 😊

@doublehaven 6 ай бұрын

@@efixx I am not anti heat pump and have been through the process. For now I have kept the gas boiler and added an air to air heat pump for upstairs which can heat and cool.

@edc1569 6 ай бұрын

1) If you have any solar, or battery storage you can start shifting the numbers in your favour over gas. 2) That gas burnt in the peaker plant is still delivering more heat into your house than if you were burning it in your boiler. I do think we need some joined up thinking from the government, there needs to be a serious build out of generation infrastructure.

@MikeGleesonazelectrics 6 ай бұрын

I've had a 7kw ASHP since last March. there's no hype, they work as well as claimed.. it draws about 3.5kw when it's around freezing outside, less when it's not as cold. House temperature set at 20C and keeps the house a lovely constant temp . So you have to count how many sub freezing temp days you expect over the year for worst case. Also I have a storage battery so that runs the heating until mid morning cheaply. Hot water is done cheap too, intelligent Go gives you 6 hrs at 7.5p / unit. Octopus Cosy gives you two periods of cheaper power but Go is good for me. With solar pv it's even better as you can usually top up battery or hot water during the day.

@confusedofhinckley5294 6 ай бұрын

What I think Good Energy have discovered is that few members of the Great British Public know what "efficiency" is!

@Dog-whisperer7494 6 ай бұрын

Great news weekly as always Joe.

@efixx 6 ай бұрын

Thanks Sean! 😃

@kevinhenryviii 6 ай бұрын

Well done on catching up your prize giving😎 and thank you for mine👍🏻

@efixx 6 ай бұрын

So glad they're coming through, took me over a day to get it all sorted out!

@andycriddle3789 5 ай бұрын

The two challenge words I think are Brontosaurus and sky net? Hudson Criddle.

@TransmissionSignal 4 ай бұрын

While the first item of news sounds somewhat positive, I have concerns that businesses have now simply moved the cost of the transformer upgrade at the DNO from their own business expense to that borne of the British public's utility bill. I think my ultimate problem with it is that its encouraging people to charge their car at work instead of over night at their own home. Charging overnight at home means less demand on the grid (flattening the duck curve) and less requirement for such a aggressive expansion of the grid. Charging at work has some positives though, I will admit, and it does give lots of people security in the knowledge that they have another guaranteed place to charge and encourages the adoption of EV's across the broader public. I simply think it would be better to have more night time charging tariffs and EV charger incentives.

@adventuresofanathan 6 ай бұрын

7:57 thank you so much for the prize - don't be too hard on yourselves it's hard to keep up with everyone's quick minds 😅 enjoy the content even though I don't enter all the time.

@efixx 6 ай бұрын

Soooooo happy that they're arriving with people! Thanks for watching Nathan. 😊

@tony9i9i9i 5 ай бұрын

Brontosaurus and Skynet - Once worked with a guy we called "hat stand"

@Dog-whisperer7494 6 ай бұрын

Joe you said you have posted out all the prizes, dose that include my prize for getting the challenge wall time spot on, two or three months ago?

@efixx 6 ай бұрын

I'm only looking after ENW prizes Sean but I'll pass your info along to Jen!😁

@LeighWinspear 6 ай бұрын

Best nickname surely - the "eternal flame", Never goes out.............side...........;)

@adrianupnorth 6 ай бұрын

I have an EV van. Its just the same except it cheap to run. I plug it in once a week and it charges when i sleep. 209 miles cost £8. I'm not on a cheap EV tariff either. Dalkin heat pumps are silent, other cheaper HP'S or badly installed ones do vibrate. Its all about a good planned installation and quality workmanship. Why is everyone so against new technology - stop believing what you read and try it yourself.

@efixx 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for your input Adrian! 😃

@grumpyspark2549 6 ай бұрын

Just connected eight Dalkin heat pumps and I've got to agree they are quiet. Previous eight heat pumps on the site made far more noise ( tinkling sound, if that's a real word )

@TurboBaldur 6 ай бұрын

Someone still has to pay for the cost of the infrastructure upgrades, how nice of them to hand that bill over to the taxpayers instead.

@tonykelpie 6 ай бұрын

Unfortunately the costs related to climate change and its impact are falling on the taxpayer already

@TurboBaldur 6 ай бұрын

@@tonykelpie Yes that's true, in the form of all sorts of new taxes and green subsidies.

@tonykelpie 6 ай бұрын

@@TurboBaldur The damage caused by flooding and fires also falls on the taxpayer, and taxpayers also pay insurance premiums too. The costs can’t be escaped, it is simply a matter of where you feel your money is best invested

@markrainford1219 6 ай бұрын

Nobody is bothered whether a heat pump is more or less efficient than a gas boiler. All they are interested in is the bottom line!

@UplandsJack 6 ай бұрын

100% Got to be Gordon. Probably due (blamed on) to the ev car not being charged…

@efixx 6 ай бұрын

My lips are sealed.

@HeathenGeek 6 ай бұрын

Nicknames? There's a bloke called Ivan the Terrible, cos his name's Ivan, and he's fkn terrible. Last seen putting a drywall screw through a 4mmsq cable.

@efixx 6 ай бұрын

😂 Poor Ivan, he's doing his best!

@Piccyman1 5 ай бұрын

Only Berkshire council could come up with a stupid idea

@stanpritchard7436 6 ай бұрын

They can install as many super chargers as they like but the grid will not be able to cope, so therefore no advancement, even the 10 minutes charging is too long when you can fill up in half the time and give yourself twice and in some cases three times the range at an ICE petrol /diesel fuel station.

@LeedsSpark 6 ай бұрын

Brontosaurus and Skynet

@Chris-mh3vf 6 ай бұрын

One of my , shall we say emotionally erratic colleagues was known as Harpic (as he was round the bend )

@timtam6442 6 ай бұрын

How much copper is in those cables? We all know what follows

@efixx 6 ай бұрын

Yes... heat!

@timtam6442 6 ай бұрын

@@efixx I was thinking more of a disappearing act !

@wintersun398 6 ай бұрын

@@timtam6442gone in 20 seconds 🏃

@bluebellelectrical 6 ай бұрын

Juice and brontosaurus?

@efixx 6 ай бұрын

Two words I bet you never thought you'd type into KZfaq! 😂 Listen to next week's show to see if you got it! 😃

@angusajm5545 6 ай бұрын

Brontosaurus & Shenannigans

@andypayne1571 6 ай бұрын

Brontosaurus and skynet

@mark_just_mark 6 ай бұрын

Brontosaurus and Brutal

@efixx 6 ай бұрын

That's me Mark! 😂

@mark_just_mark 6 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣@@efixx

@don1estelle 6 ай бұрын

Maybe Uganda uganda uses What3words for Rural Areas like Mongolia

@roberthuntley1090 6 ай бұрын

Re heat pump noise I'm not convinced. There was a case in Norfolk reported last week where a council fitted heat pumps to a school, gave itself planning permission afterwards, and now has the neighbours complaining about the noise to their MP. At a school there should be room to fit the pumps well over a metre from the property boundary so if that's an issue on a site like that think what it will be like in a densely packed urban environment like my first starter home.

@efixx 6 ай бұрын

What do you think the right solution for heating homes sustainably is? 🤔

@davidmack610 6 ай бұрын

@@efixx just to add a different point of view, we had a heat pump installed earlier this year, and it has been great. We had about a week of disruption (we had microbore pipe everywhere, and while it could apparently have worked with that I wanted it to be as efficient as possible, so we had all the pipework changed and new rads fitted), but now it is in we've found it to be much more comfortable than the old gas boiler because the heat is constant all the time, not on and off like the gas boiler was. Noise wise most of the time it is hardly audible, certainly quieter than the fountain in our garden pond! It was working a bit harder last week when it was -4 here and the pump kept the house temperature at a consistent 20, but even then it really wasn't noisy - no way our neighbours would be able to hear it even if they were in their back gardens at -4 degrees in the middle of the night 🤣🤣🤣

@41istair 6 ай бұрын

@@efixx A view of the live Gridwatch site shows that "Renewables" (wind, solar, hydro and contentious biomass - tree burning) rarely exceeds 50% of generated capacity over the year. For "Carbon Neutral" (wind, solar, hydro and nuclear), peaks of 60-70% are reached. Across the year, the lion's share of English power generation continues to be CCGT - combined cycle gas turbine. My current place still has 'old fashioned' electric storage heaters - but I haven't switched them on for 3 years and just wear more clothes!

@kjgreen3 6 ай бұрын

@@efixx Ground source to heat an entire street or a development maybe 200 or 300 homes on a small scale District Heating via biomass or Ground source again. You could in theory have a massive store of water being heated via multiple methods.

@edc1569 6 ай бұрын

@@41istair gas burnt in a CCGT to run a heat pump is already less carbon than burning it in the home in a boiler, so any renewables after that is just better.

@carlrobson5745 6 ай бұрын

Brontosaurus and shenanigams this weeks word

@efixx 6 ай бұрын

Great guesses Carl! Tune in next week to see if you got it! 😃

@paulmac8016 6 ай бұрын

skynet & Spacex :-)

@efixx 6 ай бұрын

Great guesses, listen to next week's show to see if you got it! 😃

@OCD_Sparkies 6 ай бұрын

Brontosaurus & Skynet

@oliver90owner 6 ай бұрын

Only 75% of any ‘supposed-in-the-know’ group getting that last week’s question right, to me, seems rank PP!

@stevejacklin8462 6 ай бұрын

brontosaurus shenanigans

@Roger_Mycock 6 ай бұрын

Brontosaurus and Lala

@EXFElectrician 6 ай бұрын

It’s good news that they are allowing different methods of installing Ev charge leads Good news’s for Asda. Just hope Skynet and Elon musk don’t join forces brontosaurus, skynet

@efixx 6 ай бұрын

Good guesses as always!

@stevehansonmakes 6 ай бұрын

Kurbocharger, Skynet

@efixx 6 ай бұрын

Did I say Kurbocharger? 🤔😂

@Mircea007 6 ай бұрын

Brontosaurus and shenanigans

@richardwalsh5882 6 ай бұрын

Brontosaurus & shenanigans

@efixx 6 ай бұрын

Great guesses Richard! Tune in to next week's show to see if you're right! 😃

@kevinhenryviii 6 ай бұрын

Brontosaurus and shenanigans.

@efixx 6 ай бұрын

Nice guesses Kevin! 😃

@kevingristwood7593 6 ай бұрын

Bronotosaurrus and herculean

@posei3960 6 ай бұрын

I worked with a bloke nicknamed Canestan as he was an irritating cu?t. Another called Rockwool as he got up everyone’s nose! One called Passive as he only ever worked when he saw some on coming

@safeswitchelectricalltd9311 6 ай бұрын

Skynet and shenanigans

@LordLorenzo834 6 ай бұрын

How is recessed not a trip hazard, that's the best they can come up with 😂 a cut into the pavement every house sounds a bit trip hazard

@orielzob2821 6 ай бұрын

Brontosuruss n skynet

@efixx 6 ай бұрын

Nice guesses Oriel! Did you get your prize yet?

@orielzob2821 6 ай бұрын

@@efixx some stickers came once but I did win it 3 times in the past lol is it the prize? I have won in the past grays swap shop twice and I still use the prizes today and really grateful 🙏 😄 hopefully I win again today pg

@orielzob2821 6 ай бұрын

@@efixxthanks for the lock off kit 😊😊 really appreciate thank you. Regardless prizes or not I would still watch your videos as every video you make makes me a better electrician just making great content it a prize for our trade ❤

@gadgetman36 6 ай бұрын

Skynet shenanigans

@Treeb91 6 ай бұрын

juice and skynet

@bshah4831 6 ай бұрын

Skynet take over?

@gino2465 6 ай бұрын

My recommendation is keep a diesel or petrol vehicle. My last weekend break away took 5 hours 40 minutes to charge in total . As far as heat pumps go brilliant but they do cost more to run in cold weather and are slower to warm home so keep those doors closed. Use an interview so you don't have to open your front door. Keep the heat in

@efixx 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing your experience!

@gino2465 6 ай бұрын

@@efixx I have been annownrr for 3 years with a 62kw battery..love it to bits. 5000 miles free last year charging on solar at home. People need to know there limitations on a car they can afford..future looking bright with quotes of battery's in 2026 being able to fast charge in 10 minutes and over 500 mile ranges which will work for everyone. I am banded from using ours on long trips as it's to stressfull. 239 mile range which actually is 205 in summer and 190nin winter is not enough for long journeys . My advise to anyone buying tyres but the proper EV tyres as I am on my 3rd set of tyres but this time proper EV tyres..huge issue with 2 EV chargers and heat pump on home DNO has only given concent for second EV charger to be used at half it's capacity as we are on single phase. Large families with multipul EVs and van will struggle unless Goverment subsidies 3 phase role out to homes. £15k for mine if I want 3 phase.

@MarcusNailor 6 ай бұрын

Skynet & shenanigans

@omerfar 6 ай бұрын

Skynet

@DJ-SPARKY-REACH-ON-AIR 6 ай бұрын

Juice and daisy

@efixx 6 ай бұрын

Nice guesses! Tune in to next week's show to see if you're right! 😃

@andrewthomas405 6 ай бұрын

The only boost in work would be the four x the amount of power stations needed to power these wheeled fire bombs

@octymocty132 6 ай бұрын

My uncle has a heat pump and wants to rip it out as its dog muck and expansive and is dreading this winter

@edglue6138 6 ай бұрын

Me mate worked with a guy who’s nickname was, having a shit face

@efixx 6 ай бұрын

Well... it's original...

@ambiencelectronica 6 ай бұрын

All whilst everyone is getting rid of their EVs and sales have jumped off a cliff.. that’s the real story.

@AlexLancashirePersonalView 6 ай бұрын

Main car manufacturers are pulling back on EV production.

@efixx 6 ай бұрын

Do you think we'll go hydrogen?

@jackplant9232 6 ай бұрын

@@efixxno, hydrogen is an overcomplicated waste of time, current battery tech isn't perfect, but it is good enough for 95% of people and we still have another whole vehicle generation before the old deadline for combustion vehicles, let alone now it has been delayed by 5 years

@MartinE63 6 ай бұрын

So OFGEM impose irrecoverable and unlimited costs on the DNO, immediately and not for the next regulation period, and perversely for only one specific load type. OFGEM continue to be unfit for purpose.

@jameshughesdon5370 6 ай бұрын

DNOs been passed the bill .... no DNOs will pass the cost on to us bill payers. dont think this is fair. why should my bill go up to fund a new transformer for EVs.