JUST realized that reading this

***** Neal almost did the same thing w Roland remember n 3A, he used Roland as bait to get Pan's shadow to Rumple's castle, ofc w Robin's permission. But still, that was stupid on Neal's part. Making the shadow think, Roland was Henry was stupid, all bc he wanted to help Emma&Co save Henry in Neverland. But at least Henry is dating a girl his own age, its young love so noone better mess that up. Violet is the best thing that's ever happened to him, just wish he went back to school and stop getting himself invovled with his family drama in every episode. Why, bc Jared is almost 16-17 now, Henry is still been treated like a 12y/o from S3, he should be 14 by now. Writers have treated his sidelife w Violet as him growing up from been that kid who hated magic, now he has embraced it even more since he became The Author. Sidenote, his family have to stop treating him like a kid, he has a girlfriend now, he gets himself into trouble, when SQ&SW put up these walls and boundaries just ot keep him safe. altho, mirrorHenry is the villain version we're ever gonna get from SBHenry, so until the writers stop making his parents, soon2bstepdad &grandparents treat him like a kid, Henry would b in that hormonal puberty stage by now, since Jared already went through his change in 3B that didn't take long. Now Jared's height is another thing, he's just as tall as Lana&JMo now. The main characs are all over the place, but Jared's the only on who actually gets a stroyline where it involves someone thats not his family, but a distraction for him to have fun and have some normalcy of been a teenager whos dating a camelot's knight's daughter.

Harrie Potter Well I guess it runs in the family

They also abandonn their own!

Harrie Potter Hide your kids, hide your wife

Pan is definitely not misguided, the show proves that he's irredeemable, everyone just likes him because he's Robbie Kay.

exactly my thoughts

Yeah I kinda see rumple in a new light now I'm still angry that he keeps doing the wrong thing and messing up with Belle but it looks like he was destined to mess up his life

They never really put much into his story

Archangel Rivers I understand exactly where you're coming from I mean both parents abandoned him at different ages and it just made his heart fill with lonesome and sooner vengeance

it because he is the hero of the story

Neal survived alone for several centuries in Neverland, then became the only one who left the island without Pan's permission, without owning magic. And he also raised his father.

Pan let him leave tho

🤣🤣

Neals dead. Hes safe. Think abt Henry's holidays. That boys family tree is blown out of proportion. And he has 4 family sides. Maternal, paternal, adoptive and marriage. Yikes

@@anycullen21 Alternative one, wishland one, one by magical split. ... Anything else?

Emrys Kyle Dalkan right!

Emrys Kyle Dalkan you stole that of what David Nolan says

Not just Henry´s family. Just walking on the streets on storybrooke must be Akward, seing people who tried to kill you few weeks ago, kidnapped your baby, tried to murder you, put curse on storybrook (Thrice) I honestly think that the whole town of Storybrook needs some serious therapy sessions

Kyle "thrice"

Emrys Kyle Dalkan, I remember Charming making a comment like that XD

Jonathan Willis and Peter hates fairy's too so lol

true that

Kawaii Mirai

Briany's Vlog's I will lath if they are siblings 😂😂😂

Kawaii Miraii I bet you the Blue Fairy either forced the Black Fairy to abandon him or she took Rumple from his mother.

Was his mom always the dark fairy or did she like transform later like how he did?

​@@littlesongbird1it started out as the mom believing a prophecy that a great evil was destined to kill her son. So she went after every child born in the year it was said to begin. Little by little she became darker cause of the children she targeted. If you haven't seen far enough to learn rumpled original destiny and what happen I wont spoil it.

That's what I thought. Girlish but mature at the same time. Exactly what I'd expect from an eternally young, evil fairy.

I especially love the touch of manic in there. Seems like the actress was pulling a little from Rumple's character. Not just in the body language, but particularly her tone.

Lavinia de Mortalium posh yet savage and malicious. That actor is really talented!

AnimeJT Shadow first of all this actress is stunning beautiful gorgeous not too sure if you have any taste on women second of all she steals babies first born's that's the same thing Rumpelstiltskin does it's called Faith it's called bookends matching things up I mean come on it's talented awesome writing!!! that's why everything makes so much sense why Rumplestiltskin was after first born because he was trying to contact his mother what are you not getting

maybe

She fall in love with me but i didnt..

She "fall" in love with me.... (I see you're really into character XD. Seriously though, that made my day. Thank you ^_^ )

@Megarainbow Except Pan wasn't always a child. He and Fiona were adults when they were married and had Rumple. He turned into a child later on using magic.

I thought she was.

And you thought your mother in law was bad

that now makes sense!

Sarah Hinkson I know. I now understand Rumple a bit better. I already felt bad for him knowing Malcolm/Peter Pan didn't love him and saw him as a burden, but to know that Rumple's mother didn't care about him either makes me look at him and see it as an impressive feat that he can genuinely care about anyone (like he did for Baelfire and Belle).

Virtual Side Exactly!

Peter Pan having a son with a fairy. Why does that sound weird to you? To me it seems fitting also fate wants him as an villain throwing whatever they can at him to break, if he didn't become the dark one he'd be dead, and we'd have someone else as the villain, heck maybe Emma would have never become the saviour.

Raximus3000 Yeah, but if you look at the entire family now, it just gets more and more confusing

Audrey van der Meij It's a drama in its 6th season did you expected it to be simple, in any way? The better question how did Rumble's father managed to score with a fairy? He didn't rely seemed the best material for anything, but who knows maybe her leaving him turned him into that or was a one time thing, i suspect alchohol and a lot of lies.

Raximus3000 I just hope it isn't "they met in Neverland", I want some actual surprise with this

Audrey van der Meij Becareful what you wish for.

The difference is that Rumple raised & loved Baelfire. In 1 moment he made a mistake which he tried to fix for 300+ years. Even Emma didn't look for Henry.

Bruh

And also what cora did to him

My thoughts exactly. That's why Belle couldn't save him with their first kiss. And why he thought Neal would rather stay with Peter Pan

He wasn't Pan at the time he was with the fairy, he was still Malcolm.

When Rumple s father was still a boy, he visited never land and met a child fairy (her) They left Neverland and got married. She was a normal fairy....at first

This isnt pan for me pan is Robin in hook for me

@@lemonadelemon1960 ummmm... Im sure her backstory is revealed at the time you commented. Fiona is still human when she and Malcolm met. She only turned herself into a fairy to protect Rumple.

Pan never dated a fairy. That was just Fiona. And Fiona dated Malcom, not Pan. They both went bad once they lost each other. Heh. Power over love is right.

His mom did care about him that’s exactly why she became the dark fairy pan does care about him to some extent and she cares about him alot

Wait this is four years later...

@@Anonymous-iz2uq And I posted that before the episode aired where we find out Fiona's past. Now I know she did care and went to any length to save him, but it corrupted her and turned her completely dark.

That's the writers fault for being inconsistent with his character and not settling on whether they want him to be a villain or redeemed so kept hopping back and forth between the two

absolutely!! other than the fact that she might potentially be the most evil character on the show as well as the reason for half of rumple’s childhood trauma- she’s great!

And then he chose power and his wife chose love and they both abandoned his son.

Albus Nix no wonder Rumple is like he is because he never met love until Belle

Blanca Rosales Unfortunately, he keeps assuming she's the one who's trying abandon him when he's the one who's been at fault almost every time (I say almost because there have been a couple times where she could have run things better).

Albus Nix yeah also you're right about that but still I mean he's not a bad person if he wants his son the one is having with Belle he has to change and forget the past.

Blanca Rosales Exactly! That's always been my take on the whole Rumbelle drama. Unfortunately, way too many OUaT fans place all the blame on Belle. They both have messed things up in their own ways, but Rumple is the one at fault most of the time, and she really has given him so many chances to turn around with her help. He's just made it harder on himself by refusing, and now he's going to have to do the turning around on his own.

Niki cheers too that

the family tree is already so complicated

yep, I agree! (I'm being slightly tongue in cheek here with my prediction but Once loves to add strange ties to the family trees)

willturnerfanAWE Hook once mentioned he doesn't trust mermaids .Maybe his mother was a mermaid 😂 But I like your theory about Hook & rumple being related more .

But that would mean that also Liam is her son and that would mean that she stayed for another baby... doesnt seem quite like her

Stella24Bella As I mentioned before, I am being slightly tongue in cheek but having said that, nothing surprises me with this show. Considering she's the "dark" fairy, I don't think morals are exactly on her high list, who knows what kind of men she has seduced, she's not exactly ugly

They are not alike! Rumple dedicated his life to finding Bae and gave his life and sanity trying to save him and put himself in Zelena's power! He loved Bae more than anything, and now he's lost the only person left alive he believes can love him.

broadwaygirl84 he'll find love Belle still has lingering feelings for him Rumpelstiltskin Son will come back

the family business

two words.....The Darlings. I think they had a lot to do with him turning out alright. I am not sure though a man who was a car thief at first and got a teenage girl pregnant is "good" but in the end I think he did the heroic thing

@@willturnerfanAWE true, but even before that, he was good (Minus tht whole Beowulf thing). But sometimes the most evil parents are given the purest children. The parents show the kid what they don’t want to be.

Lost: Everyone ends up in OUAT House M.D.: Everybody lies Everybody Loves Raymond: Everybody loves Raymond Cheers: “Norm!”

Game of Thrones: Everyone is fucking (their family)

i think they actually did it. pan was sort of trying to get rid of rumple, i doubt he would adopt him

Arthur Teixeira no rumple's not adopted Peter Pan and the black fairy had sex

That might be the reason she was no longer allowed to be apart of blues fairies because she slept with a human

Sadly no..Rumple is my son..

Big Ol Internet Troll We don't know he's an SOB, only that Rumple is :p

it's a very strange family that tries to kill each other regularly

Agreed. Plus I just find her to be overly dramatic.

@Big Ol Internet Troll Belle is that you?

poor rumple, and honestly he has been a much better father for his first child baelfire

and for reminder, it was precisely for baelfire that rumple has wanted to become the dark one.

Jas theSAS only coz most pre dark one scenes were season 1, when Robert was in his late 40s

She is younger than him

Edward West-Summers yea dunno why I keep watching. their frozen arc was pretty terrible

I actually liked the frozen arc. But then again maybe that was only because of quirky, lovable anna.

Edward West-Summers just felt so random and rushed, I like the snow queen but her plan to make emma and elsa her "sisters", it was just odd lols felt like edward and Adam rushed that arc and tossed in random ideas

Queen of darkness was worse to me. (Ursula's out the door after only four episodes, and other random stuff.) the one good thing to come out of that arc was the casting of cruella. it was like she stepped out of the movie.

Edward West-Summers loooved cruella, the actress was amazing. and would've been neat snow as the evil queen for a few more episodes, her bit as a villain didn't last as long as I was hoping, it was a nice twist

HeartOfEmpathy but that was before he become Peter Pan right?

yes, he didn't have sex and had Rumple as Peter, he was Malcolm at the time. There was a flashback in season 3 where adult Malcolm and very little Rumple are together and then then Malcolm abandones him.

Probably Pan stole her Rumple, and then she started stealing babies from other mothers

She's in the TV show spartacus

I think she became a fairy after he was born

She became a fairy after his birth but he was meant to be the saviour so he had powers until his mother screwed him over because of her selfish nature and over protectiveness

She is the next violation with Gideon, so yeah we will see her and flashbacks of her educating Gideon.

Centurion Fragger I feel like he sort power to find love in a twisted kind of way which after everything it makes more sense that it would be that now.

Rumble's father became Peter Pan after him and Rumble took the majic bean to Neverland. Rumble looked to be about 10 yrs old

+penny WORKMAN The black fairy could of made Rumples dad young again and they ended up having sex.Than she gets mad at pan for some reason makes him older again and has Rumple than abandons them both thats what I think may have happened.

Dark Spirit same this was suprising

Yes you are right

as she is he Dark Fairy i hope we finaly get this snow white flashback

What I mention MN I mean him

deysi gonzalez speak for yourself. A lot of us have been waiting since season 3 for that hole in the family tree to be filled, and this does not disappoint!

The messed up family trees are the best part of the show :D

Honestly. How tf did Snow even get the dust. It’s not like the local merchant down the road sells it

And he was right and is became a hero

Owen Whalley true but just maybe it either was not enough or he had no power and was just normal..time will tell lol

Owen Whalley Actually it looks like both his mother and his papa became what they were after having him.

Emma and Killian did not destroyed the darkness. Merlin told her, if she brought him back it would multiply the darkness, create something even Excalibur could not destroyed. This season we learn, you cannot destroy darkness without destroying the host, leading to the idea, that in order to destroy the darkness fully, Killian, Emma and Rumpel would need to die as well.

I never said they destroyed it. They BANISHED it from themselves using Excalibur, unknowing that Rumple had turned the sword into a conduit for the Dark One powers, so that they could be his again. What I want to know is why Rumple needed to when he has fairy blood and, with that, the potential to wield Fairy Magic.

Owen Whalley i think you need a wand to wield fairy magic. but the man have those already. And i think rumpel's reason for taking the darkness was some bs given to Emma. The man wasn't in the backroom of the shop for the long to do what he did. He also did tell Emma Excalibur chose its miracles. At that time Emma was full of darkness so Excalibur wouldn't have done anything for her. The most likely scenario was he did as backup plan. In case both Hook and Emma kill one another and were unable to banished the darkness. Another thing was Killian was in the Under World. Meaning he did not die a Hero's death like Neal. So he wasn't send to his little island where he could had lived the rest of his life as a hero. Meaning the plan did not work. Although actions heroic in some eyes, its result were fruitless. Meaning had Gold not interfere the darkness would had simply just would had got out

love Jaime too :D

sreddi83 he got snow whites daughter pregnant so he won 💀😂

JAKODI REACTS Not sure it was worth dying like a noob though :P

I mean she was cursed. Her curse was to turn evil so obviously she wouldn't tell him to heartfelt answer but the cold version of it.

@d3s1r3_amari she wasnt cursed. Nothing about her backstory was a curse she chose that path out of fear and the blue fairy fucked her over. All she had to do was tell rumple what reqlly happened

Don't just crush her heart! Cut her into pieces and then crush her!

exactly, and unlike at his parents, rumple has really loved his first child baelfire

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for me when he killed them, rumple had become a hero