How To Treat 'Microclots' in Long Covid

How To Treat 'Microclots' in Long Covid | With Dr Jaco Laubscher

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In this fourth part of the series of films on micro clotting in Long Covid, Dr Asad Khan and I talk to Dr Jaco Laubscher about TREATMENT. We ask which medications he uses, just how safe those drugs are , how one can test for their effectiveness, and the kinds of recovery rates he’s seeing.
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The Long Covid Handbook (Oct 2022), by Gez Medinger & Professor Danny Altmann and published by Penguin Books is now available in paperback, ebook and audiobook. A singular resource that brings together everything patients, clinicians and academics have learnt about the condition to date, as well as lessons from sufferers and researchers of ME/CFS and other chronic conditions. It offers world leading expert advice on understanding, managing and treating Long Covid. It is available from the following links.
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CONTENTS:
0:00 Introduction
0:26 Treatment
1:58 Safety
4:27 Recovery
6:56 Why 3 Drugs?
9:25 What Tests?
11:15 Why TEG?
13:40 Nattokinase
15:17 Why So Much Resistance?
16:41 Conclusion
REFERENCES:
Episode 1: The Microclot Pathology of Long Covid (Dr Laubscher)
• The 'Microclot' Pathol...
Episode 2: The Research with Profs Pretorius and Kell:
• 'Microclots' in Long C...
Episode 3: The Big Picture with Professors Pretorius and Kell:
• How 'Microclots' Fit I...
Episode 4: How to Treat Microclots with Dr Jaco Laubscher
• How To Treat 'Microclo...
Episode 5: Can Nattokinase Break Down Microclots? With Profs Pretorius and Kell:
• Can Nattokinase Help B...

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@nicolepadilla9648 Жыл бұрын

I used nattokinase and serrapeptase. I'm a first waver. 6 months after starting the enzymes, I'm feeling good. I can exercise and work. No PEM, brain fog and fatigue is cleared.

@RUNDMC1 Жыл бұрын

Great to hear Nicole!

@rickjondo1343 Жыл бұрын

What brand did you get? Isn't nattokinase high on histamine? What's the dosing? Sorry if I'm asking a lot. Want to start on this protocol.

@nicolepadilla9648 Жыл бұрын

@@rickjondo1343 I used Doctors Best. 2,000 Fu nattokinase and 120,000 SPU serrapeptase 1x/day for a month, then It doubled the dose. Some folks are taking 4 -8,000 of the natto. You need to work up to that dose. Take them on an empty stomach with plenty of water. I don't know about the histamines. It wasn't a problem for me.

@rickjondo1343 Жыл бұрын

@@nicolepadilla9648 thanks. I've heard you will feel bad first when you take it. Then, progressively feel better. Guess the micro clots get broken down first and release inflammation. Did you experience this phenomenon?

@nicolepadilla9648 Жыл бұрын

@@rickjondo1343 Luckily, I did not. I did have an odd buzzy feeling for a week. it felt like my body had more energy than my nervous system could handle.

@Lolabelle59 2 ай бұрын

I was dangerously hypoxic. Just started taking Lumbrokinase. It was a miracle for me. So grateful for this community. 🙏

@HEALTH.-.IS.-.WEALTH Жыл бұрын

For everybody wondering what meds he spoke about it's : Clopidogrel and aspirin (dual platelet therapy) and apixaban

@mathieusynnott8915 Жыл бұрын

are you sure?

@mathieusynnott8915 Жыл бұрын

So should we replace Niacin?

@MaryinOmshanti Жыл бұрын

@@mathieusynnott8915 yes, I couldn't make out what he was saying ~ and I'm South African, same as the doctor. Sounded like "clopydin..?" and it was not recommended. Edit: Gez has given it a love\like heart so must be right.

@brobinson8614 Жыл бұрын

@@MaryinOmshanti I couldn't hear them either, now could I hear the other ideas of drugs he had

@Mau365PP Жыл бұрын

13:31 he mentioned the meds here

@nomebear Жыл бұрын

The hematologist who did the blood test found all panels were clear, and yet I had three events of anaphylaxis. I figured I had NAD+ deficiency, started a diet to aid recovery for MCAS, and treated with 320mg aspirin. I was already taking atorvastatin. I also took a cocktail of supplements to support the mitochondria a fore mentioned on Gez's channel. Three years later I'm about 95% okay. Things are not perfect, but I'm miles ahead of where I was. UPDATE: 02/2023 Increasing the daily dose of aspirin to 640mg (2 tablets), adding Nattokinase-Serrapeptase taken on an empty stomach I'm symptom free of long haulers. I realize that this is only temporary, but I'll take it over what I was experiencing before.

@RUNDMC1 Жыл бұрын

Great to hear of your improvement!

@teddybearroosevelt1847 Жыл бұрын

Good to hear you’re 95% back. What kind of diet did you eat and what supplements did you take to support the mitochondria? Like niacin and a b complex supplement or what do you mean?

@nickywellman594 Жыл бұрын

I’d like to know that too please 😀

@Anna-if8tc Жыл бұрын

I am guessing the diet will be a low histamine diet. I have been on that diet to calm down mast cell activation and it really helps. Dr said to stick with it for at least 6 months to allow mast cells to fully repair. Currently 4.5 months in. And, yes, B complex that includes B3 (niacin). However, be aware that some of us with MTHFR gene need activated B vitamins to absorb them properly. Resting and pacing is absolutely essential. There are no quick fixes, sadly.

@nomebear Жыл бұрын

@@teddybearroosevelt1847 If you look up the diet for someone with MCAS or MS, it spells out "No Histamine Triggering Foods". But there's a long list of foods one can eat.

@risecopeman5409 Жыл бұрын

A CELEBRATION!!! Thanks to people like Gez, the commenter's input, the doctors and researchers that have kept open minds, and other high quality youtubers exercising freedom of thought and speech.... MY DAUGHTER'S BLOOD PRESSURE AND HEART RATE ARE NORMAL UPON STANDING THIS MORDING!!!!! I couldn't have figured out what to try or who to work with if it hadn't been for all of you. We will probably never meet, but I am thanking God for each one of you. This horrible thing may not be over, but we are getting there! THANK YOU ALL!

@AustinJohnson7 Жыл бұрын

Congrats! Was it the triple therapy that gave her the relief?

@paulah.9415 Жыл бұрын

Indeed, a CELEBRATION! This channel has kept me alive. I'm a scientist with a compulsion to research everything, but thanks to you, Gez, I got the clues to which rabbit holes to go down. Result? Finding and convincing enough totally ignorant medical providers to give me symptomatic relief for POTS, autoimmunity, and the SIBO I kept getting because of dysautonomia, thus upper intestinal bacterial overgrowth. I'm in the US, in this case good because I have the best insurance there is (haha, US government, same as our Congresspeople), and can walk in to a specialist's office with no referral. But the downside is these people don't have time to study up on long covid, and I get it. Having spent many hundreds of hours with research papers and online medical lectures, I don't quit learning. This is in my opinion a unique specialty field that doesn't exist yet.

@risecopeman5409 Жыл бұрын

@@AustinJohnson7 She is far from 100%. But at least she can think and eat and drink and stand up. No, we are working on at least starting clot busing enzymes, etc. But what has worked with the least difficult side effects was IV fluids with glutathione and now extra C,, h1 and h2 blockers, simple collagen protienn drinks twice a day with electrolytes plus soft, simple foods, no dairy, red light therapy, possibly the one round of prednisone, but that was rough. She is also starting mitochondrial support and low dose naltrexone, and working on increasing salt. What a terrible thing for everone to go through. But I believe, because of good researchers, freedom lovers, and youtubers like Gez, drbeen, and flcc, that people can get better if the kitchen sink is thrown at it. Don't give up.

@ChristyCollins Жыл бұрын

@@risecopeman5409 Thank you so much for sharing this. I was wondering how your daughter is doing now?

@stevechristensen5214 9 ай бұрын

@@paulah.9415 how did you get relief? I have all of the issues you mentioned. I am just coming to understand and learn about POTS, and how the dysautonomias have effected me. I can eat more foods now than ever, but somehow seem to still randomly get some GERD and SIBO issues. If you don't mind sharing what helped you, I'd appreciate it!

@Anamaria-ew8lh Жыл бұрын

There are still a lot to discover until the final recovery. We are all trying to see what works for us or not... In this nightmare you alwais gave us hope. Thank you again for standing by our side on the recovery rollercoaster!

@RUNDMC1 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Anamaria!

@Jennifer-gr7hn Жыл бұрын

There wouldn't have been, if we were allowed (especially we March 2020 patients who had the most lethal version) access to basic care. Basic care I was giving for 20 years before I needed it and I was punished for not taking the vent and got none. I didn't know what country I was in anymore (I live in the USA)-- was scary.

@flagmichael Жыл бұрын

@@Jennifer-gr7hn In fairness, that early in the pandemic it was still widely viewed as an atypical pneumonia, so it was treated as viral pneumonia. There... that should do it! I think it was about a year before the endothelial involvement got any attention. Who would have guessed that in the 21st century we would deal with a pandemic that defied so much medical understanding for so long?

@craigsawyer6453 Жыл бұрын

I have had help with the brain fog from low doses of aspirin and saw palmetto. I am looking forward to trying Nattokinase. If your doctors are like mine they don't do much to help. I research every thing myself and then make a decision that works for me. Anything that fails to work after one month time I discard and look for something better. My heart is with you.

@troecurov3 Жыл бұрын

Hi Craig I was wondering saw palmetto, how does it help please?

@timberrr1126 11 ай бұрын

Serrapeptase dissolves fibrins

@Johannes-wj5ri Жыл бұрын

I took triple therapy for 4 or 5 months and not been able to get off anticoagulants as chest pain worsens. Overall they've made a huge difference. Laubscher is a great guy. He uses logic and experience rather than fear to guide his decision making. Too many doctors are applying the outcomes for regular heart disease and triple therapy too widely. Long Covid is a different condition and as Laubscher has demonstrated the bleeding risk is lower than expected. I hope the appropriate clinical trials will happen but you have to look after your own health now

@RamiroR13 7 ай бұрын

Where did you get the triple therapy done and how did you get a doc to give you a diagnosis/authorization?

@dnigrl50 6 ай бұрын

Who is he and is he taking patients? Were you actually able to be seen!??

@dnigrl50 6 ай бұрын

@@RamiroR13 I showed the videos to my PCP and he gave me plavix and eliquis plus baby aspirin. Didn’t work for me. Nattokinese, Resveritrol, Vitamin D, biotin, and now able to add AdrenalLife from Activated You. worked the best for me with whole body swelling, major hair loss and reactive tender skin, brain fog, fatigue and major gut issues, Migraines, and virtually no adrenal function at all.

@alliem.182 11 ай бұрын

Berberine improves vascular endothelial function. I feel a lot better after taking it (I can stretch, move with less pain).

@sandraluisterburg Жыл бұрын

Nattokinase deleted my covid-migraine. At first I thought it didn't do much, but when my stack ran out, the migraine came back within days (after about three months migraine free). Added serrapeptase, which doubled my energy envelope from 1,5 to 3 hours a day. It clearly does something. I'm from march 2020 and I tried basically anything already. Thank you for these videos Gez, where would be without them?

@RUNDMC1 Жыл бұрын

Great to hear it worked so well for you Sandra!

@lilredheadmlh 11 ай бұрын

I have had a migraine 24/7 since getting mild COVID almost 2 years ago. Haven't had much luck w/ prescription migraine meds. I'm thinking about trying this.

@guybaehr8124 8 ай бұрын

My experience in another context was that my frequent tension headaches. went away when I started taking anticoagulants for my atrial fibrillation.

@twocanplay7976 Жыл бұрын

Watching this gives me hope, though his comment about people with long long COVID and their endotheliams being too damaged for repair scares me. I'm rapidly approaching 3 years with this nightmare, I really hope that's not the case :( Thanks for another great video Gez!

@amandajc2996 Жыл бұрын

Too damaged for repair, scared me so much too :(

@twocanplay7976 Жыл бұрын

@@amandajc2996 we still have hope, it's still early. Things change all the time in science and medicine.

@Richexperience1 Жыл бұрын

Yeah me too at 2.5 years. With a family history of strokes and Alzheimer’s ugh. Started Clopidogrel a couple of months ago. No improvement yet. Great series Gez Thanks!!!

@germanside7890 Жыл бұрын

I think that comment about long long COVID scares us all. Even me with 10 month LC. But we have to think positiv. Our body will recover even it takes a while. And the science is progressing, sooner or later we will be rescued. I hope ofcourse sooner. Fingers crossed.

@andreasrylander Жыл бұрын

Don't forget that the body can heal something amazing, never underestimate the power of the human body and willpower. You can make it, I can make it. We all can. Have faith and keep fighting! :)

@elzabemeyer8124 Жыл бұрын

I have been under Dr Laubscher's care since early this year. I am forever grateful for his approach and triple protocol I'm on. I have improved (in a slow manner) to such a point that I can now walk without assistance, drive again, cook without getting lost in my own recipe books . Palpitations are few and far apart, PEM improved, no more muscle -or nerve pain in my legs. My balance and coordination are still improving. Work output is at 70%. I look forward to running again soon. All patients suffering like I did should have access to Dr Laubscher's protocol and treatment plan. There is light at the end of this lonely tunnel. Thank you!

@RUNDMC1 Жыл бұрын

Great to hear of your improvement Elzabe!

@marky5493 Жыл бұрын

Awesome news! I did his treatment in July and my vo2max started climbing back up again, but when I stopped it came back down:( I can do a short small light 2 km run 2 days in a row but then I need to rest for next 2 days doing nothing. Chalk and cheese considering I used to represent the navy in running. I can't remember what a 5km race feels like anymore damn!!!

@twocanplay7976 Жыл бұрын

@@marky5493 hi fellow ex-military long hauler 👋 I was in the army, left right as COVID hit. Long haul was my gift to the civilian world haha. How did you get access to Dr. Laubscher's care?

@marky5493 Жыл бұрын

@@twocanplay7976 a fist from faraway my man! Ya I happen to live within an hour away from his spot, I found out about him from another friend who does cycling. How's your recovery going?

@Witness3721 Жыл бұрын

Can you share which 3 medicines and dosages Dr Laubscher put you on that helped you?

@JagHiroshi Жыл бұрын

I really feel like things are beginning to start moving now. Dr Asad Khan querying the resistance in the profession to the microclotting angle; you have to wonder why some are so dismissive when the evidence is increasingly compelling. Many thanks for all that you continue to do.

@jedbennett4912 Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for making this video Gez! You’ve given me hope after 14 months of pure hell and gaslighting by the medical professionals I’m supposed to trust.

@jedbennett4912 Жыл бұрын

3 weeks into this treatment and my HR and BP have stabilised - POTS is subsiding and I haven’t had a crash for 7 days! Day 12-14 Symptoms worsened but I’ve felt progressively better since. Looking forward to another set of fluorescent microscopy’s at the 10 week mark! Thankyou @Gez_medinger & Dr Laubscher

@Bepike Жыл бұрын

@@jedbennett4912 What type of specialist are you seeing to work with you and what treatment are you receiving?

@janejenkins5137 Жыл бұрын

I've just had what looks like a mini stroke last week. In my 30s training to be a mountain leader, eat healthily, no alcohol etc. Had covid in the summer, chronic fatigue set in. I've had no help or offer for treatment. Told I was depressed. I'm guessing it could have been prevented if they had listened to me in the first place, I feel very let down. The gp still won't even acknowledge long covid as a possible cause. Even though I have zero risk factors for stroke other than long covid. It's beyond frustrating.

@jedbennett4912 Жыл бұрын

You’re certainly not the only one Jane and it’s so appealing from our medical professionals - I’ve been into the emergency dept at least a dozen times now after TIA episodes or mini strokes due to this condition only for basic blood tests, chest X-Rays and an ECG performed and tell me I’m suffering an anxiety attack! The only sense that I can get is through these videos that I’m so thankful to Gez for making as the medical system has failed me on every front… I started taking NAC, Vit C, Vit B3, Vit D, Magnesium, Quercetin, Selenium, Q10 and Aspirin Daily which eased my symptoms by 70%. I then had an appt with a Naturopath who was very knowledgeable and following this reasearch also, He recommended Bromelaine to help break down the proteins & PEA so calm down the inflammation + Slippery elm bark to start repairing my gut. I’m a few weeks in now and seeing a huge improvement - Just ordered some Nattokinase and Serrapetase along with some NCM and fingers crossed this gives me the last 30% to bring me back to normal! I wish you all the best in your recovery

@moneymotivation7777 8 ай бұрын

@@jedbennett4912did the nattokinase help?

@alleyoop5185 25 күн бұрын

Did the boosters help?

@maricogan2903 14 күн бұрын

I am so sorry to hear how you have been treated by the medical community. It’s heartbreaking. One effective intangible is developing a support system. Covid has made us into isolationists . A nurse was over 30 years of bedside experience, currently working in rehabilitation, but worked hospice before and during Covid. Don’t give up. People don’t go to church anymore, but an old-fashioned Sunday school class is a wonderful way to find new friends. If you like archaeology or art, whatever you’re interest are, find lectures were interest groups in your area.

@germanside7890 Жыл бұрын

Stay calm folks, dont stress yourself, relax, take it easy. Everything gonna be alright, I dont know why but thats what my gut is telling me. Even for the long long haulers! Nothing worst now is to stress yourself about the bad news comment from Dr. Jaco Laubscher. Its just an opinion not an fact.

@ms-jl6dl Жыл бұрын

He said that his therapy helped 99% of patents,that's not "bad news",that's excellent niews. Hope others can help that 1% and there are many others trying hard to solve that.

@petermalmgren1207 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely

@risecopeman5409 Жыл бұрын

Thank you, Gez. You are making a world changing difference by getting this information out there and available. My beautiful, sweet, smart, daughter now has chance of surviving this, and someday soon THRIVING again. Without these doctors thinking thus out, and the patients absolutely pushing for effective, persistent help, and tech savvy communicators keeping information free flowing, we would live in virtual hopelessness. It is scary to live through this, but there is excellent reasons for HOPE!

@RUNDMC1 Жыл бұрын

There are most definitely excellent reasons for hope!

@uniqorndoc Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this much needed video! I’m in my fourth month of Triple therapy (Aspirin 81, Clopidogrel 75mg, Rivaroxaban 20 mg) and it’s definitely working. I had breathing difficulties doing basic day to day activities- now significantly better. Unfortunately most doctors don’t agree with this plan of care and testing isn’t available in New York city where I live.

@jhgctsdf Жыл бұрын

how did you get your doc to prescribe Clopidogrel and Rivaroxaban?

@RUNDMC1 Жыл бұрын

Great to hear you’re doing better Sonali!

@leopoldofregoli3817 Жыл бұрын

@uniqorndoc how long have you been sick when you started the treatment?

@uniqorndoc Жыл бұрын

It is difficult to convince drs to prescribe triple therapy in USA. I was living with LC symptoms since Feb 2022, but In August 2022- after a respiratory infection, it became way worse- so I started triple therapy in September 2022. It took a few weeks to see an improvement after that. Even though I am not back to my pre COVID baseline, there is tangible improvement while on blood thinners

@liamcollins4948 Жыл бұрын

@@uniqorndoc how are you going now?

@Feirin332 Жыл бұрын

Thank you, Gez! Thanks to you I have an appointment with Dr Laubscher for late January. As luck would have it he is only a 15 minute drive away! Since I'm a long long hauler I'm crossing fingers I won't be in the unlucky group for whom hope is lost.

@twocanplay7976 Жыл бұрын

Hi Amelia, by any chance could you perhaps ask Dr. Laubscher what the rest of us can do to get similar treatment to what he is doing? What type of doctors (cardiologists, etc) would we need to see, what resources can we direct them towards the microscopy testing he mentions in this video, etc? Thank you!

@RUNDMC1 Жыл бұрын

Keep us posted Amelia!

@geefunkle Жыл бұрын

I'd love to hear if you have a positive outcome : ) please share

@Feirin332 Жыл бұрын

@@geefunkle I've already gone there just for the blood test and based on this being positive for platelet activation, they called me to book the appointment. Or that's how I understand it anyway.

@Feirin332 Жыл бұрын

Update: So, I have been to see Dr Laubscher and had more than an hour long appointment where we thoroughly discussed my symptoms and health history. He has showed me the images from the microscopic analysis of my blood and you can clearly see the micro clots. He has also shown me an example of very severe clotting and I imagine that's how my blood might have looked in 2020 when I was barely able to function! So while mine currently certainly looks much better than those, he said he was still seeing enough there to explain my current symptoms. My blood has now been retested as it's been a while and during the two months I've actually experienced reinfection and a return of many of my old symptoms! I'm also scheduled for a test next week to measure my endothelium function. So based on the outcome of the tests he will prescribe a treatment plan that he estimates will take between 3 to 6 months to clear up the problem. Which is fine by me as long as I can eventually get my life back. Something else he said of note is to really try to avoid reinfection with Covid. So stay away from sick people to the best of your ability.

@charlesevison8453 Жыл бұрын

I'm on the study but I'm a long long hauler. There are definite improvements but, after 3 years of LC and 6 months of anticoagulant therapy, I'm also worried about permanent damage.

@johnchase2148 Жыл бұрын

I am over two years and I will continue positive thinking and personal will. Evolution will win.

@Harri99ful Жыл бұрын

Listening to this makes me so frustrated - not with the wonderful medical professionals that are actually looking into this but with the medical profession at large who are adamantly ignoring this. In February next year I will not my 3 years as a long hauler. In June this year I went to A&E with stroke symptoms. My blood test was negative so they essentially diagnosed Functional neurological Disorder & sent me home with my left side paralysed. They did not use contrast in either the MRI or CT despite my asking & explaining to the Drs that microclots don't show up in standard clotting tests. I was gaslighted by the Drs, told I don't know what I'm talking about & should the science to the professionals & was sent home no treatment, no therapy, & with my left side virtually unresponsive & choking as my swallow was affected. I researched stroke exercises myself & started doing facial exercises from the next day. I have paid to see a private neurophysiotherapist & have thankfully made some improvements. My long Covid advanced Practitioner & my neurophysiotherapist are highly suspicious it was a stroke as my intercostal & core muscles on my left side. But no one is listening. There must be others out there like myself, essentially thrown on the rubbish heap & labelled as fakers. So my question is what can WE do to support the wonderful medical professionals who are trying to help us? How can we spread the word & really get mainstream medicine to start looking at this?

@RUNDMC1 Жыл бұрын

They are - it’s just going to take a bit a time!

@scripturethroughancienteye1509 Жыл бұрын

I used a baby aspirin, 400-500 mg of Niacin, and Nattokinase. At one point I was unable to walk and struggled to read, but 13 months later I had returned to the gym. I do not know if my mixing of these three was safe and in correct dosages. I have suspected that it made a big difference but of course I have no way to prove that. Awesome interview! Thank you!

@DGreatAwakening Жыл бұрын

Seems to be a good bit of positive research regarding Niacin, especially when taken in larger doses such as what you described. Good for vascular inflammation, endothelial dysfunction, and ultimately sufferers of various auto-immune issues, as well as long covid. Still doing research myself, but for those out there looking for help, you might try digging into studies involving niacin/nicotinic acid.

@Jennifer-gr7hn Жыл бұрын

Great until you developed allergy to aspirin :( I'm on plavix.And the platelets continue to rise! Over 500 now. Entered covaids march 2020 at 200s.

@timmyschannel5 Жыл бұрын

Is that flush or no flush niacin?

@scripturethroughancienteye1509 Жыл бұрын

@@timmyschannel5 Flush. I'm often red.

@scripturethroughancienteye1509 Жыл бұрын

@@Jennifer-gr7hn Sorry to hear that. That's definitely an extra variable that complicates things. How about Niacin?

@carolenmarch7445 Жыл бұрын

Let's hope that some influential practitioners can get on board with this new anti -coagulant therapy and it's diagnostic testing , rolled out. Long Long Haulers, please try not to be fearful and despondant about treatment success for your cohort as research will be on going and it may even come to stem cell therapy as a cure, or something else we don't know about yet. Always have hope, it will help you through. Thanks for the interesting research and information , Gez. Great vid , once again !

@RUNDMC1 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Carol!

@vanjacalantropo Жыл бұрын

Thank you Gez!! I think under the circumstances GPs should prescribe triple therapy to patients if they request it. The longer the wait the worse!

@twocanplay7976 Жыл бұрын

Problem is getting GPs aware of any of this in the first place, I have no idea what type of doctor to even talk to regarding any of the treatment this video mentioned.

@vanjacalantropo Жыл бұрын

@@twocanplay7976 in the US? Functional medicine specialist!

@DavidS-ox3li Жыл бұрын

Interesting concerning the endothelium/vascular damage he mentions. One of the most striking phenotypes I had was very distended/swollen veins in my arms. This eventually improved after 6 months.

@TheLisajoyce Жыл бұрын

Hi David, we’re yours painful too? Did they just gradually get better. I’m going on about 7 months with this symptom, mostly in my hands. It’s so scary. Thx

@DavidS-ox3li Жыл бұрын

@@TheLisajoyce In my case the nerve and joint pain in my hands came after veins started to look normal again

@TheLisajoyce Жыл бұрын

@@DavidS-ox3li Gosh, I’m so sorry. Are you still dealing with this pain? Did you do anything for the bulging veins or do you think it was just time that helped?

@righthxvh6111 Жыл бұрын

Swollen and Distended veins in the neck causing pretty painful neck tension has been my problems at 9 months. Incredibly awful paired with shortness of breath.

@mindymontez9013 Жыл бұрын

My blood vessels in my neck would swell. It was weird. And on my arms they swell now n then

@amystoner2797 Жыл бұрын

Jez can you do a quick summary of what he was saying. I don’t think a lot of us could understand some of what he was saying about which tests and which medications. Thanks for all you do to help us.

@RUNDMC1 Жыл бұрын

Drug names mentioned elsewhere in the comments!

@kellystar312 Жыл бұрын

Aspirin, Clopidogrel, apixaban, dabagatran

@petermalmgren1207 Жыл бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ab2cmbhys7rWk4E.html

@mariolois Жыл бұрын

Another top notch interview Gez!! I still struggle with how to measure and demonstrate "sticky blood" though. Fluorescence microscopy can confirm microclots presence, perhaps even quantify it as Doug Kell and Resia recently showed (% of fluorescent area), but it seems like there should be a simpler way to confirm the blood is stickier than normal, some even claim they can see/feel it, shouldn't TEG alone be able to show there's a coagulation issue? (I think this could make a huge difference with our local doctors to prescribe TT and monitor it ensuring it doesn't become too anticoagulated)

@RUNDMC1 Жыл бұрын

Yes TEGs can diagnose, but won’t spot microclots by themselves

@joebusa6620 Жыл бұрын

Hi Gez, This is the first of your videos that I have watched in about a year. The reason? I'm very much better. I caught covid in March of 2020 and felt the physical effects of long-covid for about 18 months and still, very much less in the last few months, have trouble reading/concentrating. I have always eaten porridge (breakfast), plus fish (lunch/dinner) but additional foods that appear to have helped with "my" long-covid are: pineapple/pomegranate, mixed nuts, avocado, dark chocolate (80%). Back in the dark days, I made sure to eat red meat (steak/liver) and used to drink good quality Indian Tonic Water - I don't know why but it seemed to help me, especially, with my blood (my fingers looked different for the first 6 weeks, each time I caught covid). I know that my diet is expensive and won't suit all, but I really believe that what I eat, and drink, has helped my greatly. I also drink far less alcohol than I used to, and hardly drunk a drop for the first year of long-covid. Just to add that you are looking much healthier than you did a few years back, but you might want to take another skiing holiday, as I remember you looked super-healthy on your return from the Swiss Alps. Finally, just to wish you well and to thank you for all your excellent, pioneering, work!

@RUNDMC1 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Joe! So glad to hear you’re doing so much better!

@lisagarofalo6567 Жыл бұрын

So, What did you do to help/fix your LH symptoms

@DanielleLegacy Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this video. Discouraged a little since I'm way past the "6 month" mark.

@annonomoos8620 Жыл бұрын

Me too.

@johnbinnie5697 Жыл бұрын

I've been going round in circles since being ill at the end of 2019. Tried oxygen treatment, anti inflammatorys various pain meds. I started taking aspirin 300mg before bed and in the morning and the difference is night and day. I actually feel like I have enough energy to possibly improve my fitness for the first time consistently in over 3 years. It's absolute madness that I tried aspirin through being frustrated with the lack of progress via my GP. In retrospect the GP should have explored this within weeks.

@DanielleLegacy Жыл бұрын

@@johnbinnie5697 I'm so glad you found something that works for you. That's a shame that so many doctors are useless. Unfortunately I can't do aspirin bc it lowers blood pressure. I have been taking serrapeptase on and off and it seems to be moving the needle some. Still nowhere close to healed though.

@fabianshamano5953 Жыл бұрын

You know what, what he is saying just made a whole world of sense to me cause two years ago when I took a blood sample for testing it all clotted up in the breaker before I could even cross the street. I took pictures and videos of it cause I though that was very weird but didn't know what it meant

@Swirleyful Жыл бұрын

Interesting. I had a 23andme test done a few years ago and it came back to tell me I was a slow responder to clopidrogel and best treated with something else as its less effective for me. I wonder if all the poor responsders he treated have the same in their genetic reports. It feels useful to know and I probably won't bother trying it! Really helpful video, thanks Gez. Sometimes there are medical terms and I would love if you could type up the medication and test names on the screen as it can be hard to catch them, and I'm not sure I trust the captions to report them accurately either.

@harlequinhead2008 Жыл бұрын

Did you do 23 & me a full med / health test?

@Swirleyful Жыл бұрын

@@harlequinhead2008 not a medical test, this was just from my genetics report.

@harlequinhead2008 Жыл бұрын

@@Swirleyful Yes I understand that. Anything is helpful at this point. Thx for sharing.

@CustomerBloom Жыл бұрын

The issue with ALL of these is WHERE do we go? Theres no one to go to get help. I love this, but Dr Jaco is in another world, we have no access to any of these drugs. I think we all agree we would be test monkeys, to even be 1% better. Wish we had some US/GB docs willing to work with us. Anybody find a treatment center or doctor oneline willing to help?

@RUNDMC1 Жыл бұрын

Agree - we need more clinics able to look at blood under fluorescence microscopy.

@cc8722 Жыл бұрын

Look up FLCCC

@cbmwlynch Жыл бұрын

Integrated Medicine is best bet. May have to pay out of pocket since insurance is hand in glove with Pharma and BigHealth.

@beknight9399 Жыл бұрын

Thanks again, Gez and your partners in the video! Your work ist so important.

@stevenpalmore4299 Жыл бұрын

3years of COVID including second bout in 8-22 . Used a nebulizer with 3%h2o2 ...3 parts to 8 parts sterile water and a few drops of peppermint oil as a vasodilator ...20 mins twice a day . Regular sensible excersize ...broad spectrum of vitamins and minerals I spent $100 a month . Good luck

@duncanmcmillan3424 14 күн бұрын

Right on about great reluctance of standard medical practice to be receptive to novel pathophysiology which includes micro vascular clotting as real and to see need to normalize blood flow

@bobvanwagner6099 Жыл бұрын

He makes good points on the lack with standard (and I think will be in short time viewed as "silly"), tests of clotting which centerfuge the blood..

@kf1476 Жыл бұрын

I just had a heart attack last week and have been started on aspirin 75mg, bisoprolol 2.5mg once a day plus ticagrelor 90mg twice per day. I have apparently been suffering from long covid for 7 months where I have been exhausted and have had muscular pain and throbbing in my calves. Several days after my heart attack and starting treatment I feel better than I have in 7 months. I am no longer exhausted and the throbbing in my calves is gone.

@kimcourir 7 ай бұрын

I wonder how you feel lately?

@alexandrecouture2462 Жыл бұрын

Not so sure about his approach, as I have been on anti coagulant and anti platelet for a month last spring with not much difference. Still, many thank to Gez for showing different points of view.

@RUNDMC1 Жыл бұрын

Yep, it doesn’t work for everyone and is only an indirect treatment

@ieronimbosh5233 Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for the video. They give me hope for recovery

@montanagal6958 Жыл бұрын

Microclots from the disease and/or vaccine are a major problem...thank-you for your video If this helps anyone, high dose omega 3 fatty acids (fish oil) helps with vascular and brain health (lipids cross the blood/brain barrier)...I had Covid symptoms immediately following the 2019 quad/flu shot and was told I had Covid (tests negative)...strange world...best wishes everyone!

@joanneclark8256 Жыл бұрын

Crazy question ..ever experience internal vibrations?

@barrysumner3024 Жыл бұрын

ME/CFS since October 1986. At 78yrs I am still struggling. There seems to be no help for us.

@IThinkICare Жыл бұрын

If you are like me, long term degradation to body has been happening. Lack of activity/movement no restoration etc. Early aging I call it. I do have some hope as aging itself may be related to cell degradation and oxygen/nutrients transfer and if that is solved, things might improve. If not....oh well, live for today.

@rickjondo1343 Жыл бұрын

Anyone here in chat who got treated by this doc and fully recovered? I see some posts saying they just have partial recovery

@ApprendreSansEcole Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this video. Would it be possible to have the transcript of what is being said, or at least add the names of tests and medications in the description ? Sometimes, when you are not a native British person, it can be hard to décider technical terms we have never heard before, much less know how to spell them to look into them. Thanks !

@RUNDMC1 Жыл бұрын

You can get a transcript off the closed captions in KZfaq. As for the drugs mentioned: aspirin, Clopidogrel, apixaban, dabagatran.

@ApprendreSansEcole Жыл бұрын

@@RUNDMC1 Thanks !

@MaxPayne-fi1mz 2 ай бұрын

@@ApprendreSansEcoleHi. Did you try the anticoagulant therapy??

@JoshBradley333 Жыл бұрын

I took Nattokinase while Dealing with and Overcoming LC.

@sixpackbinky Жыл бұрын

Where do you buy it?

@JoshBradley333 Жыл бұрын

Among Almost 30 Other Vitamins, Minerals, and Medicines ⚕️⚕️⚕️

@scripturethroughancienteye1509 Жыл бұрын

@@sixpackbinky Got it on AMazon

@pauldavid167 Жыл бұрын

How much natto Josh?

@stephangauthier911 Жыл бұрын

I'm presently checking to order some of this product. Was it in its natural form or pills? Did you take it with other products/treatments as well? Can you explain how it helped you?

@garyfry3795 Жыл бұрын

Had acute DVT’s some years ago and following my six month course of anticoagulants, I now take 75mg Aspirin everyday. Not vaccinated nor have I had covid.

@ingathomas6653 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing and caring. Do you know how we can heal the entothelium? How can we stop the spikes ?

@dangerzone007 Жыл бұрын

Fish oil is a good natural blood thinner.

@mb99290 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the video. Just wanted to ask I know briefly he mentioned some symptoms improving but did anyone's orthostatic intolerance improve with dissolving the clots?

@mollasima3251 5 ай бұрын

I would like to know too

@amandajc2996 Жыл бұрын

It's so hard for someone with brain fog to understand Dr Jaco, Gez can you give us what he said about what test will work and meds please?

@dnigrl50 6 ай бұрын

Yes pkease

@dnigrl50 6 ай бұрын

Please*

@mollasima3251 5 ай бұрын

I also could not understand the tests... If someone could please write them down... Thank you!

@IThinkICare Жыл бұрын

He is using what is available but still treating the symptoms. I know he said some recovered completely, but is it proven why?! It seems the question still is why the clotting happens, why the endothelium can't heal itself, what is the trigger, inflammation?

@mykatawato2043 2 ай бұрын

What about the MATH+ protocol? Steroids, Ascorbic acid (high dose), Thiamine and Heparin? Check to make sure the Vitamin D3 blood level is above 80 ng/ml and run a thyroid panel too.

@TomHaviland10-qw2dn Ай бұрын

Thank you for this very informative video. One reason why micro-clotting is still occurring in 2024 is that many people who took the Covid-19 vaccines, even those whose last injections were way back in 2021, could still have modRNA producing the spike protein in their bodies today. Just as the spike protein from the virus can cause the formation of micro-clots, so too can the much larger amounts of spike protein continually produced by the vaccine. I have conducted two "Worldwide Embalmer Blood Clot Surveys." In my latest survey, I asked the embalmers two questions about the micro-clots, which they describe as what looks like "coffee grounds" in the blood as it is draining out of the corpse. A stunning 79% of embalmers (212 out of 269) saw the "micro-clotting" in 2023. And they saw the "micro-clotting" in an even more stunning 1 out of every 4 corpses (25%)! Previous to the years of Covid and the vaccines, embalmers saw micro-clotting in less than 5% of their corpses. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/athxotSZubu5YJs.html

@linsleycharlton6100 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for another interesting and informative video. I struggled a bit in the middle (brain fog!) But will go back to it later :-)

@cloebee3 Жыл бұрын

I think this pathology and treatment seems very promising. But can someone explain - if it's the endothelial damage and microclots which are the drivers of long covid, how can we explain how some days we feel much better then other days we feel much worse? TIA

@marky5493 Жыл бұрын

it depends where the blood clots end up blocking at that particular time. when u exercise or go sleep then they get moved to a different position and create stoppages elsewhere and give you a new happy basket of problems to deal with.

@petermalmgren1207 Жыл бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ab2cmbhys7rWk4E.html

@tonybadalamenti9361 Жыл бұрын

Wow. I'm at 2 yrs so this makes me nervous. I feel like I am improving though (VERY SLOWLY). If I can get back to 80 or 90 percent I would be happy. I'm too scared to try triple therapy. I'm doing a baby aspirin and natto and praying.

@RUNDMC1 Жыл бұрын

Good luck Tony! Film on natto up next week

@tonybadalamenti9361 Жыл бұрын

@@RUNDMC1 Thanks! We are going to beat this!

@zeynepe.5944 11 ай бұрын

how are you doing now?

@tobiettarhyman7219 Жыл бұрын

I wanted to clap Dr Laubscher when he said, if you don't believe it do your own study and prove me wrong. I'm fed up of doctors treating microclot research like it's "quack medicine" (quotation marks not for emphasis)

@hebejeebee Жыл бұрын

I'm getting the sense that we need to start looking at how we can really break down the doors on the resistance to treatment pathways that seem to be happening pretty much everywhere. Targeted campaigns would be the next logical step rather than having to wait for a benevolent funding source to turn up to drive research. Health has always been a political hot potato and I am getting the sense that we really need to be annoying politicians with some effort to force them to hasten the agenda... Dr Laubscher seems clear that the longer the damage is left untreated the higher the potential risk of recovery failure seems to be..

@RUNDMC1 Жыл бұрын

I’m not sure I agree re more likely lasting damage - we don’t have any evidence for this yet

@christiangranqvist2350 Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Keep posting, this is really good information!

@shilk4301 Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for your videos . This is so helpful

@kellyschroeder7437 Жыл бұрын

Can you all explain what the symptoms are of clot breakdown that is a good sign ???

@preetinatha1042 Жыл бұрын

Can the body heal itself with time if you have micro-clots or will it always need some form of anticoagulant treatment. At present the blood tests in the UK aren’t picking up micro-clots, so will it get worse and harder to treat left untreated or will the body eventually heal itself? My Long covid clinic consultant said on December 3rd 2022, there is no treatment available for long covid. Feelings of abandonment and despair are so real.

@swyllie30 8 ай бұрын

The body can heal. So many have recovered without this treatment

@honorburza9110 Жыл бұрын

Light at the end of the tunnel 👏

@chrismyers9951 Жыл бұрын

NAC - Serrapeptase - Nattokinase.

@karenkim4661 Жыл бұрын

My ten-year-old daughter has been sick with long haul COVID for about 14 months and was seen at the John Hopkins as Kennedy Krieger Hospital. Five different specialists examined my daughter but barely did much to help ease any of the many symptoms. Would anyone know what medications are given to the kids with insomnia, body aches, GI, and fatigue?

@oibal60 Жыл бұрын

'Natural' suggestion: Cayenne pepper. (See Barbara O'Neil)

@KBHeal 29 күн бұрын

Have you looked into Nattokinase without orher blood thinners??? Started taking it in high dose, and it seems to work very well, without an bruising or bleeding. 🤔🤔

@jsmcclellan Жыл бұрын

Thanks, Gez!

@RUNDMC1 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Scott!

@lawrencelawkc Жыл бұрын

Dosing is the issue (needs Trial and error), and assessing the dose effects quantitatively vs. qualitatively. I am taking 500mg Natto + 240000 CFU serrapeptase for spike protein decomposition, clotting management, and endothelial cell "repair." I found 480,000 CFU serrapeptase too strong, the veins on the hand begin to show bulging. I could not detect any qualitative changes with 120,000 CFU

@joanneclark8256 Жыл бұрын

Ever have a internal vibrations feel .. and maybe like a river rush feel thro body

@lisagarofalo6567 Жыл бұрын

Im going to try Natto and SeeraP, Omegas, SPMs. turmeric, aspirin this week. Praying I get my Breath & Life back ...Please keep sharing your journey

@katerobertson4657 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for all your videos Gez, I'm over 2.5yrs in and have been very sick but now seeing very slow progress. Your videos have been invaluable for advice and keeping my hopes up. I would be very nervous of any anticoagulant therapy, even Natto because when I flare my blood pressure goes through the roof. I'd be worried I'd have a major bleed. Wishing everyone good health. x

@RUNDMC1 Жыл бұрын

Wishing you the best in your recovery Kate!

@RUNDMC1 Жыл бұрын

Wishing you the best in your recovery Kate!

@Rose-hw3dm Жыл бұрын

you could consider trying the food form of Nattokinase, which is fermented soya beans . The Japanese have been eating it for breakfast for many years . (Tastes yuk)

@kyak938 Жыл бұрын

@@Rose-hw3dm if you make and add it to homemade miso soup and only use about 1/4 of the serving packet, its much more palatable and for me that is enough to feel its effects

@ms-jl6dl Жыл бұрын

You can try flccc protocols for long covid.

@ataraxia8399 Жыл бұрын

Does anybody know if fluorescence microscopy testing for micro clots is available in the UK?

@troecurov3 Жыл бұрын

Hi I am very interested s well. Seems they are don't care.... Could you please let me know if you find something please please. Regards Andrei

@Jennifer-gr7hn Жыл бұрын

Yeah, whose fault is that? I had a stroke.....and was sent home because I didn't take the vent. Thank GOD I went outside the system and I'm doing IV ozone, chelation, supplements, etc....but...the platelets continue going up. Yup, platelet activation alright. I went into severe covaids march 2020 .....at 200. Now, over 500. Listening, following, and thankful for Dr Bruce Patterson who first brought all of this up.

@matthewmobley7406 Жыл бұрын

What tests did he mention exactly to possibly ask a provider to test for microclots?

@clintpot8521 4 ай бұрын

Is ozone therapy enough to get the blood to stop being so sticky?

@LosFlochos Жыл бұрын

Hey Gez! Great Video. I wanted to ask you if there is new Information how to prevent Long Covid? Is your old Video still up to date? Thank you for your work

@RUNDMC1 Жыл бұрын

Old video still up to date!

@DavidS-ox3li Жыл бұрын

I missed what % of LC patients he looked at are showing micro clots abnormalities?

@RUNDMC1 Жыл бұрын

Pretty much all

@stephenoffer4021 Жыл бұрын

Been nearly 3 years with long covid and tried alot of stuff. Along time ago I used cayenne pepper directly in my mouth with a spoon full and it did work only for a short time. I heard its a natural blood thinner, so there might be somthing to this blood clotting business.

@timberrr1126 11 ай бұрын

Serrapeptase

@samhouston1483 Жыл бұрын

Don’t want to say too much here but there are alternative ways to get stuff outside of GP’s…there is the internet and ways to order things if you look around.. :)

@danide8287 Жыл бұрын

I clotted from Covid. Been on eliquis for a few weeks followed by heparin and acenocoumarol since june 2020... unfortunately still a longhauler.

@carmella88 Жыл бұрын

How did you know you clotted. Im worried about this

@sarahfoulkes735 4 ай бұрын

I am either in the wrong area or country as soon as i say i have long covid issues they seem to run the other way. The majority seem not to have a clue in ways to help me and just give me more pain killers. This has been going on since October 2021 when i first got covid.

@greatnationnow 10 ай бұрын

Can you add the details of the tests and therapies into the description please??

@nancyjohnson7193 Жыл бұрын

Spontaneous bleeding episodes including massive subcutaneous hemorrhage have been among my most dramatic covid symptoms, both in the acute phase and now nearly 3 years on. Antiplatelet therapy absolutely terrifies me. Yes, I believe microclots play a part in my overall symptoms, but I believe the disturbance covid has caused in my coagulation cascade is more multifaceted than triple antiplatelet therapy addresses.

@TheLisajoyce Жыл бұрын

Nancy, do you have the painful, bulging veins?

@RUNDMC1 Жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t go near anticoag treatment without careful consideration with a doctor!

@Feirin332 Жыл бұрын

Do you have low platelets, Nancy or what caused your bleeding? I'm also very scared of the therapies mentioned but I have an appointment with Dr Laubscher for end January and will discuss these fears with him.

@ChristyCollins Жыл бұрын

@@Feirin332 how did things go??

@shawnajohanson1865 Жыл бұрын

@@Feirin332Did you have your appointment? What specific treatment plan did he prescribe for you? How are you feeling now? Thank you!

@dsouzapatrick3290 Жыл бұрын

Sir I have a clothing problem which results in pain in one leg if I take asprin what dosage I can how many months

@rickjondo1343 Жыл бұрын

Quick question for people here. Does your veins on hands and feet get more defined now because of long COVID? Mine is super defined specially after activity. Also, hands and feet feel cold

@matthewws5694 Жыл бұрын

Yes, definitely Rick. I can attest to this

@marky5493 Жыл бұрын

same.....

@rickjondo1343 Жыл бұрын

Hope it's nothing serious in the long run 😲

@venuselectrificata Жыл бұрын

I can see all the veins in my legs now 😨 I’m 39 years old and struggled so bad after my second bout with covid

@TMiller808 2 ай бұрын

@@venuselectrificatame too, and bulging 😢

@ForkCandle123 3 ай бұрын

Perhaps regular ACT, ACT+, etc, testing on a Hemochron... Perhaps more sophisticated weekly testing of clot formation using Rotem...

@marky5493 Жыл бұрын

Hey Gez, so basically what Laubscher is saying is that the blood has become extremely sticky so the anti coagulation medication he's suggesting is basically trying to get the blood back to what it USED to be, he's not trying to make it thinner than normal? I do feel when I take aspirin x1 then I feel alot better provided I keep My tempo for the day subdued. My question is does taking aspirin x2 automatically make your blood x2 thinner vs x1 aspirin? I find if I go for a cold water swim/or get too cold my hands go white and I can lteraly massage /move the blood around in my fingers but it Doenst flow. Hot bath seems to change that the oppersite way.

@RUNDMC1 Жыл бұрын

Yes that’s exactly what he’s saying - and re aspirin, no. More effective at lower doses - 75mg usually.

@thomasvail3733 Жыл бұрын

Does anyone happen to know if there are any doctors in the US who do the triple anticoagulant therapy?

@mollasima3251 5 ай бұрын

There's one in Alabama

@kazoz3520 Жыл бұрын

Oh, my first comment disappeared, so will try again ... Thanks for these videos. Gez, have you looked into recent news about preliminary results of HEAL-COVID clinical trial on Apixaban? Looking at ClinicalTrials website, there are two arms to this HEAL-COVID clinical trial, Apixaban (for 14 days post hospital care) or Atorvastatin (for 12 months post hospital care). Recent media release was on re-hospitalisation in 12 months stats, with 29.1% on Apixaban treatment re-admitted, and control arm 30.8% re-admitted. There are other secondary outcome measures for this trial that weren't announced, eg FACIT-Fatigue, Modified MRC Dyspnoea scale, "COVID-19 core outcome measure for recovery", etc. And I realise that this is a subset (post hospitalised COVID-19 patients), & a short 14 day Apixaban course after sent home. But it is early treatment, ie not waiting for symptomatic Long COVID, so hopefully some data on prevention will be gathered. Just doing a quick search, noticed a US Apixaban COVID-19 randomised control study ACTIV-4B for symptomatic COVID-19 outpatients (ie not requiring hospitalisation at point of COVID-19 diagnosis), 3 arms, all 45 days treatment: Aspirin 81mg a day; Apixaban 2.5mg twice a day, or Apixaban 5mg twice a day. Followed for 75 days. They stopped the trial early (at 657 participants) because of an unanticipated low event rate, and didn't find a significant difference between the active groups and placebo (ie very few cases of the following criteria happened in any group, & there was little difference between groups, in reducing mortality, thromboembolism, stroke, myocardial infarction, hospitalisation, etc). Once again, it would have been interesting if they had tested for micro-clots (before & after treatment), and if any developed Long COVID after treatments.

@kazoz3520 Жыл бұрын

Lol, my third post disappeared too :) So I'll try this way to reference the studies: 1. HElping Alleviate the Longer-term Consequences of COVID-19 (HEAL-COVID) (NCT04801940) 2a. COVID-19 Positive Outpatient Thrombosis Prevention in Adults Aged 40-80 (NCT04498273) 2b. Effects of Antithrombotic Therapy on Clinical Outcomes in Outpatients with Clinically Stable Symptomatic COVID-19

@kazoz3520 Жыл бұрын

Hint, the numbers in brackets are the ClinicalTrial Identifiers.

@RUNDMC1 Жыл бұрын

Yes - aware of these results, not that applicable to LC!

@kazoz3520 Жыл бұрын

@@RUNDMC1 Yes, with that HEAL-COVID study (which is supposed to be Long COVID preventative trials), the Croc Dundee "That's not a knife" quote did come to mind :) But I see from their website that their goal is in trying to prevent / reduce those terrible UK post COVID-19 hospitalisation statistics, eg 1 in 10 COVID patients die 3 months after being discharged from hospital (12% die within 6 months), or develop new health conditions (29.8% respiratory, 4.8% cardiac, 4.9% new diabetes diagnosis), 29% readmitted to hospital within 6 months. Truly is heartbreaking, this combined with the ME/CFS - like subsets of Long COVID.

@bobvanwagner6099 Жыл бұрын

My regime is low dose Aspirin, ivermectin, serra with natto kinase, omega 3 fish oil, magnesium, melatonin, (30-100 mg), liposomal C, vitamin B12. I had a change in blood, after vaccines, it appears to be cleared.

@jrman413 Жыл бұрын

30-100 mg melatonin?!

@bobvanwagner6099 Жыл бұрын

@@jrman413 Yes. Melatonin is good. LIke B12, water: if there is a truly toxic dose level, it's much higher, much. There's a doctor expert in radiation and others things of mass destruction which are metabolic in impact who I first heard that from on a Canadian Semmelweis video lecture. He was from Texas. Interesting at the Seminar, virtuall Steve Kirsch also gave a strong presentation on the SSRI, fluvoxamine(?). It was in mid 2021, iirc. Since then I've seen others discuss Melatonin. Doris Loh, others, including Japanese experts who worked with Fukushima, the failed nuclear plants (BWRs, the earthquake exceeded the maximum design spec for a quake).

@IThinkICare Жыл бұрын

@@jrman413 yeah! That's a lot but I think excess melatonin just disposed by our body, but I get nigh mares even from 10mg.

@matthewws5694 Жыл бұрын

Hi Bob. Please elaborate with regards to change in blood?

@bobvanwagner6099 Жыл бұрын

@@matthewws5694 Hard to do much after almost two years passage. More blotchy.

@jerrygao458 Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much, Gez. Also the wonderful book. I am in my 5th month of long covid. Night palpitations and sleep seems getting better. But, some symptoms similar to pots are still going on. But my Pots cardiologist diagnosed me without Pots. Not sure my symptoms are caused by micro clots or Dysautonomia, as my cardiologist told me that we don’t have any rest for the micro clots. I really wish I can back to my normal 34 years old sports life. Except for the drugs, any conservative supplements can circulate the micro clots? Like serrapetase? Or Vitamin B3 .

@RUNDMC1 Жыл бұрын

Yes to both of those - aspirin may also be worth taking. Also make sure you’re supplementing the basics like vits c and d. Consider some probiotics too. Glad you’re enjoying the book!

@jerrygao458 Жыл бұрын

@@RUNDMC1 thank you, Gez. If possible, hopefully your books can be translated into Korean, Japanese or Chinese, we do lots of Asian long covid patients needs the guidance to recover in our Asian communities. Thank you, Gez. You are a hero to help patients to find a hope.

@aarongomes314 Жыл бұрын

@@RUNDMC1 any idea of dosing for Aspirin? 81 mg to start? I don’t have access to any testing to see if I actually have microclotting but want to be proactive. Thanks!

@harryvanda684 8 ай бұрын

@jerrygao458 how are you doing now?

@katblack7625 Жыл бұрын

I’m a Mayo Clinic patient and I’m very curious to see their take on microclotting. 🤔

@IThinkICare Жыл бұрын

Ask them about endothelial damage.

@DavidAKZ Жыл бұрын

How did they test for that ?

@maricogan2903 14 күн бұрын

Can anyone list the recommended lab tests & medications? With the accent, it is difficult to be clear on the details.

@minRef Жыл бұрын

This feels like it’s out of line with how Dr. Pretorius wants to steer the project for research into mechanism first. Aside from clots there is obviously an issue with persistence and PASC fibrosis in various organs themselves. This aspect is probably not reversible! These seem like overly confident statements being made and going with dangerous treatments too soon before diagnostics are even online.

@thestresstheoryofhansselye3607 Жыл бұрын

What about streptokinase? It can be obtained from its German manufacturer. It has an excellent track record in human use to treat heart attacks and strokes. It directly disintegrates the insoluble fibrin molecule.

@petermalmgren1207 Жыл бұрын

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@dnigrl50 7 ай бұрын

I have been out on both as well as diagnosed and had the treatments for SIBO and MCAS Lupus and may other issues due to the Vaccine. My life has been turned upside down with almost no relief and life changing symptoms. I have tried almost 200 different medications, treatments, vitamins/minerals to try to help the immese damage. The night I was forced to get the vaccine I felt an immediate allergic reaction. The next morning I woke up and my body was 3x my normal size and my hair was coming out in clumps. I can’t eat anything but specific things so I don’t have a huge physical reaction everyday. But I deal with it on a level no matter what, daily. I am taking Resveritrol, Nattokinase, Baby Aspirin, Vitamin D, Biotin, and Nutravol daily. Also have been given the Valtrex antibiotic. I have just ordered the NAC and Bromelain and DHEA-5I also added the “new Long-Vax treatment”, the Triple anticoagulant therapy; Plavix and Eliquis.

@ciuffoarancione8929 7 ай бұрын

My life is ruined after 2nd dose of pfizer, 27 months of pain every day. Can't recover, tried everything including fasting. Was really fit and healthy, a gym maniac. Can't eat anything, lost 13kg of muscle in few months... Gut and stomach are killing me.. Damn me the day i trusted doctors..

@dnigrl50 6 ай бұрын

@@ciuffoarancione8929 I get it. It’s criminal what’s happened but worse that no one is doing anything to help us! Nattokinese has helped a lot. Mostly with my intense edema and swelling but not with skin, hair, organs, and GUT problems. I am only able to steamed broccoli, cauliflower, asparagus and radishes without vomiting and swelling for days. Those don’t feel great on the stomach on a regular diet. I have not been able to eat anything else for almost a year. I tried the triple anticoagulant therapy; plavix, baby aspirin eliquis. Didn’t work. I started heavy SIBO treatment, the two heavy antibiotics. I had yet another bad reaction so that’s out. My family, friends and I have researched and scoured the internet for help and I have amply found a handful of Drs even willing to finally come out and say there’s a major, life crushing killer component in the MANDATORY Poision Covid Vaccine! We should have NEVER be forced to injected into our once healthy bodies. In the few Drs I’ve found, NONE of them can see me. That should tell us something g right there. Millions of people had a horrific reaction, permanent reactions yet only few are even talking about it and fewer able to actually HELP! If someone out there is able to see me/us and get us able to have a normal life again, PLEASE HELP!

@lynetteprice8519 3 ай бұрын

LDN low dose naltrexone turned my severe brain fog around over night! I still have weird LC symptoms (fatigue, lightheadedness, POTS, heavy weak legs, and sometimes numbness in my limbs) but at least I have my brain back. If you have not tried LDN, plz give it a chance for some symptomatic relief.

@TMiller808 2 ай бұрын

I had a prescription of this from my ND that I can't afford to see anymore and I can't afford the compound pharmacy RX of Low Dose Naltrexone. Is there another LDN that can work, too? My brain fog is terrible and I needed it anyway for my other pr long cv health issues. So yeah, if like to get back on my med if I could afford it and get my brain back some.

@lynetteprice8519 2 ай бұрын

@@TMiller808 I'm so sorry. I pay $50 per month for ldn..totally worth it!! I've heard that some dr.s order online, although I get it from a compound pharmacy. A couple of things that have helped my long covid are NAC+glycine+bromelain. There are more Drs who are believing that l9ng covid is a blood flow issue. The spike protein "sticks" to the fibrin in the blood making it sticky and changing the viscosity. That would make sense with my POTS and feeling light headed and dizzy. Not enough blood getting t9 the brain. NAC and bromelain break up the spike protein. NAC + glycine is a building block for glutathione. This helps in a lot of different functions. Nattokinase and serrapeptase help break up the spike protein too. After using these, I'm getting better and stronger. LDN helped my symptoms, and helped calm the immune system. I wish you all the best and hope for your healing

@risecopeman5409 Жыл бұрын

Does hypovolemia worsen microclotting? Alternatively, do IV fluids help break up blood clots? Or does extra fluids just push clots around more and make things worse?

@joshualowell673 Жыл бұрын

Did you ever find an answer to this?

@risecopeman5409 Жыл бұрын

@@joshualowell673 Not directly, but from our experience and logical research and common sense,, iv therapy plus near Infra Red full body therapy has turned out to be of great benefit for survival while figuring out what to do for more complete healing. In our opinion, it is going to take addressing this frvom at least two to five directions at the same time - disolve/remove microclots, remove released toxins/spike,, reduce inflammation, reduce histamine reaction and restore gut. improve mitochondrial function. All along with removing any lingering viruses, bacteria, parasites, and improving good brian chemistry and reducing pain. Sounds like a lot, but sunshine and laugher and gentle foods with some OTC h1, h2 blockers, DAO, vitamins, salt, minerals, plus triple therapy, LDN, iverm, etc. is worth putting an end to this horrible thing. We are also considering EBO2 once on triple for a week or so. What do you think?

@guytelfer1353 Жыл бұрын

Bleeding from capillary damage? Have to get the reason for clotting? damaged rbc's or restricted veins making it appear to be clotting , calcium or some other buildup restricting the lumen, spleen not functioning, too many platelets, a open wound internally, entire bloodstream has more volume of serem or not enough, ect?

@ralucanechita3526 Жыл бұрын

I had 6 HELP Apheresis treatments at 6 months with LC and did nothing for me, so I don't think this microclots theory applies to everyone. I was also on blood thinners for 6 months with no result. So from my perspective, it's the ANS that is disregulated and has to come in balance in order to recover. Many of these theories are "dooming" and not proven, so we really need to filter out the information.

@RUNDMC1 Жыл бұрын

Part of the issue is that HELP doesn’t remove the *cause* of the abnormal clotting

@ralucanechita3526 Жыл бұрын

@@RUNDMC1 According to the team in Cyprus, once the blood clots are removed during the Apheresis treatment and the oxygen starts reaching the cells, the body regains the capacity to dissolve any new clots that might be forming and start functioning properly... ish. I'm sure this is not the exact medical explanation, but they were quite convinced that HELP Apheresis restores the body functions and it's irreversible... so now what, was that just some sort of marketing bullshit to sell their treatments? And even if it doesn't solve the cause, if this theory was true, shouldn't then the Apheresis treatment result in some temporary relief at least, until new clots are formed? I had zero improvement and it fact, there was no testing, nothing done to show that I actually had clots. It really pisses me off when there are people out there, doctors or not, that throw this kind of all or nothing scenarios, pointless, creating fear, when there is still so much speculation on this topic, nothing 100% proven yet. And when we know there are people healing, not only from LC, but even cancers, many years of CFS or other terrible illnesses, all deemed irrecoverable. I just don't appreciate this type of communication. Doctors they may have knowledge, but even them they don't know it all and they can deal with things in a more emphatic, compassionate way. As I read once, believe the diagnosis, not the prognosis. You are doing a great job, but some of your guests... really!

@chrispietronigro1450 Жыл бұрын

@@RUNDMC1 My same concern with respect to the anticoagulant therapy. Is it treating a root cause or only a symptom? If viral persistence is the culprit and the virus isn’t treated, it seems likely that patients would experience a rebound after anticoagulant therapy ceased.

@IThinkICare Жыл бұрын

@@RUNDMC1 ... which is ?

@IThinkICare Жыл бұрын

Were you tested for endothelial damage ?