You got something many clubs could only dream of, a historic stadium. Never move, make it work where you are.

As a US fan who found the club through the show, I love getting updates about the club on this side of the pond. Keep up the great work!

Never ever move the stadium.

As a supporter who protested and marched to save the club from evil bastards who tried and very nearly succeeded in destroying the club, this stadium is and will always be wrexhams home that's why us lifetime supporters thought for it

It might be cheaper to tear down the student apartments, expand the stadium and build a new student build than to build a new stadium.

They won't move to a different site. Knowing Rob and Ryan and how they want to support the local businesses etc like the Turf. Especially on matchdays.

With success comes change. I personally think they would expand the Racecourse first before ever leaving. Old stadiums have been renovated here in the states like Chicago’s Wrigley Field and Boston’s Fenway Park.

AFC Bournemouth and Luton in the Prem with theyr 11k stadiums, Brentford got a 17k one so calm down, stay where u are and see if u can expand it somehow.

1. we already talked about these options. 2. the expansion you talking about means getting rid of the parking area, which means we would have to rethink parking as well. 3. can't move to a new one anyway, cause part of the deal we made in order to obtain the rights was that we can't use another stadium for our senior team for the next 125 years or something like that. 4. also our next project is training grounds anyway. 5. also when you pan left, you can't really put the stadium so close to farming area, the farmers would go up against us.

Plenty of room to build on the current grounds.There are a lot of Stadiums around the world to take for inspiration when it comes to expanding in a small footprint. The town just needs to approve the construction!

US fan who found the team via the docuseries and who also has an appreciation for not so modern things, I sincerely hope that the race course is not done away with until it is absolutely positively legally mandated that it must be done away with. Such a historical venue. Now I don’t know and those who are more familiar with the stadium than I can maybe provide clariffication, but would it at all be possible to ad onto the top of the current seating, like a second and third deck? A second and/or third level around the top of what’s already there could double to triple the current capacity while keeping the original ground and the original design.

Hello from Chicago! Thanks for the update!

Thank you for sharing your wonderful town and football club with the rest of the world. It must feel nice to have first world problems like “how can we make the stadium bigger?” After what the town and club went through the last few decades.

Wrexham v Busby Babes 56-57. I was there. Opposite the penalty spot, kneeling on the pitch at the Minera end. So crowded, we kids were moved onto tthe pitch to avoid the crush. Can there really have been 34,445 in the ground on that day? You can see a picture of me and others in the Wrexham Leader. Happy days, apart from the score.

Done right we could get 30k capacity at the Racecourse. I don’t think we’ll need more than that unless we become an established Prem League team.

Great job, man! I'm from Cabo Frio, Brazil, and my son and I always watch Wrexham games

League one is going to be a tougher road and cost a lot more. Wrexham already spends more than a lot of league one clubs. I would be surprised if they make it to the Championship. But they will have a wonderful packed stadium in League one, that will continue to greatly benefit the community. It should stay where it is and become a wonderful uplifting fixture in the community for years to come, its been fabulous so far, overambition could be an issue.

Don't move ... Build on and go up... You might get around 35 thousand in with going up and expanding. A move is huge money in a new stadium. I can't see a new stadium and training ground in the works... That's huge costs .... I think bringing in a team of designers and figure out the max expansion on the racecourse and run with it.

A stadium with a capacity of mid to late twenties should be achievable on that site with only slight border changes, that should suffice for the club. Wrexham is a small town (well city) and the owners and the publicity is all great, but if that was to stop or people grow tired of it all, the last thing you want is a huge stadium with a small actual attendance. The club should always be directed by the size of the local fanbase rather than out of towners, which may change.

Expansion is always a difficult dilemma..... Currently your on a crest of a wave with 2 decent owners.... and the team is on an upward curve. Try not to lose your identity which is much of the attraction for existing and new fans. Keeping to your roots is long term better and safer, plus there is room to expand, maybe not great room but with careful organisation it looks like it can be done on the existing site. Councils are always a headache to deal with, but remember they need income too. You have ample support in Wrexham, should the council be difficult then you just replace them at the next election by contesting the wards with your own fans. Building up is better it will add to the atmosphere as well.... and it can be done in stages which is cost affective, yes the downside is a reduction in match day visitors, but not for too long. The corners can be filled in relatively quickly and you only get tougher regulations a you get promoted. Just remember the football bubble won't last for ever and who or what follows when Rob and Ryan have done their time you never know and when... Corners first, then upside both ends with another tier, then address the sides.

Cardiff fan. To put it in perspective, Wrexham's population is 135,000. Cardiff has a population of 360,000, and it cost us £48 million for a new stadium, which holds 33,280. Since it was built, we've averaged just over 21,000, with 2 promotions to the Premier League being the exception, i.e., sold out every game. Swansea has a population of 246,000, and they paid around £30 million for a stadium that holds just over 21,000. Like us, they filled it every game while in the Premier League, but this season, their average attendance is just over 16,000. However, football is not ours or Swansea's only income stream. We both have to fill our stadiums with conferences and events, which is viable based on our populations. Also, neither of us has Premier League clubs on our doorstep. Wrexham has to compete for fans with Liverpool, Everton, Man Utd, and Man City.

Iam an AEK Athens fan and i say DONT REMOVE THE STADIUM FROM THERE! We build our new stadium to the same place where is the old.The okd one capacity was 25.000 and the new one 33.000 .The solution is to build 2 floor like agia sofia stadium AEK Athens..

A great season for Wrexham next season would be to consolidate and stay in League One. Wrexham are at the limit of what they have put in place up to now and will be up against clubs that can pay as much as they can in League One. This was probably not the case in League Two and definitely not the case in the National League. The wage advantage no longer exists and smart recruitment is now key for Wrexham going forward. As a club they have great momentum at the moment but if they stagnate in League One for three or four seasons the shimmer of the Wrexham project will dissipate. That being said from where they were to consistently performing in League One would be a great result for the team, the town and the fans.

What about transforming the car parks at the university into a multilevel car park that way they could expand the stadium without removing parking spaces.

As a Tranmere Rovers fan (I wish you well) I think the club needs to "be sure" of your fan base and potential fan growth, before any decision on moving from your ground.

Rotating 90 degrees, and acquisition of carparks and flats from the Uni, is probably the only option to expand beyond 22k seats up to 30k+

You don't need to move the stadium or relocate the school if you can acquire the newer looking buildings behind the stadium and the car park beyond that. You could turn the stadium 90 degrees making the original Macron stands an end zone stand and build the new stadium with loads of room for future expansion beyond the current league standing. You would begin by demolishing the two dormitory buildings behind the stadium and building the new opposite end zone stands well beyond the Lager Stand. Then play another season with the existing stadium as construction until that new endzone stand is completed. Once the season is over, demolish the Lager Stand and pitch and build a new pitch turned 90 degrees and begin the foundation work on the new Kop area which would be relocated to fit the new pitch location. For one season, you would play on the new pitch with the Macron stand and new stands at the opposite end as well as the Wrexrent Stand admittedly in a wonky position being off center and a ways away from the pitch. Construction of the new properly located Kop Stand can continue through the season to be ready for the next. Then with some luck, you will have advanced to the next level in the standings and you can afford to demolish and build a new wrexrent stand at the proper location for the new pitch. This helps you keep the history of the Macron Stand and the Pub while working within the existing towns infrastructure with loads of room remaining for future expansion. I wish I could include some architectural drawings as this plan could be done by demolishing only one of those two dormitory buildings. The existing building further away from the current stadium would be outside the footprint of the new stadium.

Add a second deck to the Kop and the Stok Cold Brew Coffee Stand - that should get capacity up to over 16,000. Then build an upper deck over the Macron stand. Probably get seating to 25 - 30,000.

There is no way they move to a new location. Why bother doing the KOP stand then if you are just going to move. I think you do the 2 behind goal stands first and then i have no idea beyond that!

If they forsee delays straying beyond next season, I'd love them to look into a larger temporary stand

Firstly your doing great work with all your content and updates for those of us who are on the other side of the world and can't get enough of everything Wrexham. Second The Cae Ras is Hollow Ground as such it can never be move not even an inch let alone 2 miles, it needs to stay right there next to The Turf. Third with a capacity of 15k+ when the Kop is build we will sit around 9th or 10th regarding stadium capacity in league one, I can't see us upgrading the whole Cae Ras until we are in the Championship league. Also what do you make of Bryan Flynn comment where his aware of Wrexham making a move a Premier league player for the summer transfer on sporting wales.

If building up, I wonder if they can charge entrance to watch on a big screen elsewhere in the town?

Have you considered going over the highway (Mold Road)? Tunnel for cars under the stands. On the North side you could take over the parking lot and built a proper stands for half of the field. From the corner of the field up to the apartment building.

Liverpool constructed their new stands during the season with their old stands fully open.

Given the options it seems that improving the current stadium is the best choice. How much of an improvement will really depend on ticket demand and the crowds now that Wrexham is in the new league. So no final decisions can be made till at least next season ends I would imagine. Seems like any expansion at the stadium for seating will require plans to deal with expanded parking, or transportation in and around the stadium and University area. Someone must be doing impact studies for city, could those reports be behind the current delay in building the new permanent seating?

The fans will never sanction moving from The Racecourse due to its history. One possible solution would be closing Crispin Lane to allow the pitch to be moved nearer to it. This would free up land for a larger stand at the Tech End and siting the new Kop Stand nearer to the railway line. Another option would be to build the stand over Crispin Lane. Also demolish the student accommodation to allow the corners to be filled in thereby adding extra seats.

Trying to rebuild or expand during the season is a real challenge. When Tottenham replaced their White Hart Lane grounds with the their current magnificent stadium, they ended up playing at Wembley stadium for quite some time.

Going vertical for seats works - look at Anfield. It worked there. The problem Wrexham would have would be parking; maybe a parking deck offside with busses? I obviously don't know the rules, regs and laws, being from the US

How much bigger does the ground need to be? Subscriber's are different from supporters. Surely replacing the temporary stand would be the way forward?

I like the idea of building a much bigger stand over the road. It seems like making the road into a tunnel would be doable. The seats over the road would be much higher anyway. And of course, filling in the corners, possibly with terraced/safety bar/ standing areas would be great. Got to keep the pitch where it is. Sinking the pitch adds all sorts of playability issues. The training area in the undeveloped land a stones throw away seems like a no brainer. Are they looking to build the new KOP even bigger? Seems like every seat they can add is critical.

not too familiar with stadiums in around wrexham. But wouldnt it be a possibility to close the stadium for a season and play home matches in a nearby stadion? if the owner/footbalclub of that stadium would allow it.

The design of those students accomodation was always stupid, it limits the size of increasing the stand.

Make the parking areas a multi-level parking building, which helps free up more space for expansion around The Racecourse Ground. Also, with the extra horizontal space, it makes it easier (relatively of course - it's still difficult and expensive regardless) to also expand vertically.

you would have to share a ground with a another team, rent it out for a season or two, and go for a full rebuild on the grounds. i would not move from that holy ground at all! you have magic at the racecourse

Don’t know how ambitious these two owners are. Ideally a stadium of 30 000 would be good. Wrexham have a large catchment area. Club has a lot of potential.

The student accommodation is a big problem. It should have never been built there. Previous owners just making profits out of the club promising the money would be reinvested back to the club.If you look at the site from above the staduim needs to move into the car park and towards the kop .That would enable expansion on all four sided.

As a pompey fan we face a similar dilemma,I personally would prefer a whole new stadium,it can be built at a more suitable location for transport & can be moved into when ready, expanding & adapting current ground causes huge issues reduced capacity is inescapable & cost is eventually going to be close to a new ground anyway,you are in a fortunate position to have land nearby I think they should snap it up & a new ground is adding new history to your current one

I’ve only attended one EPL game, Chelsea vs Liverpool at Samford Bridge and don’t remember any parking of any type near by. That said, phase one build as much multilayer car park on existing land beyond the temporary bleachers. Don’t know Welsh building code but use precast concrete panel construction. Goes very fast. That could happen during season. Next that super 22 million ( pounds or dollars?) structure tried to get the former Prince of Wales to back. More parking? Enter into a long term parking agreement with the university. They keep the land Club builds the multilayer car park and when needed uses ( charges) for game day parking. Last deal is I’d ever have a rain jacket in large, I’m buying.

Steady on geezers……..League one is an incredible achievement, the Championship is a whole another planet. Let just continue development at the Racecourse, after the new stand, the next end, let’s dream about a 50,000 seater when we’re troubling the playoffs in the championship

Get established in league 1 next season. The club have done brilliant in the last two season. If you go up next season, then perhaps think about expansion.

I would invest first in training grounds, residences where players can concentrate before matches or after training, take care of the youth football academy (?) (sorry, idk the exactly word in english for the "kids teams") and a place where the women's team and other youth teams can play. Growth comes from the bottom, not from the top. In any case, they could always start by building stands in the corners or add a second level in the kop. Greetings from Spain, I hope to visit Wrexham very soon and that my local team will also get promoted in two weeks.

Look, the more successful the team is the more they will need to expand. The top 5 teams in the premier league all have stadiums that can seat 40 thousand plus people. If and when this team makes it to the premier league they will need to be able to make enough money to attract talent in order to compete. I don't want the team to end up getting demoted as soon as they get promoted because they can't afford better players. So the team should expand to the sides and up. They should start to build new kops and build them in a way that would allow them to expand them upwards as the team gains more and more success.

Build a new KOP stand and integrate a new Miner's History and Miner's Rescue Museum into it where they currently want to build the KOP! Second, on the opposite end, purchase an additional 30-40' of parking area and construct a larger area for seating on that end, as well as a large parking garage that can help the uni and the larger fan pool for game days at the Cae Ras. 17,000 would work for League 1 for sure.

Nice video. Do you know who owns the land to the left, the one that’s a “stones throw” away? Desperately need a training ground, at the very least.

As a neutral why don't you move the kop stand back 50 yards build the stand there moving the whole ground 50 yards further up. then re build the stands the accommodate the other .The 2 tier stand would have more space for a similar kop of 5 k making it symmetrical this would take alot of time and have to be done over 5 seasons but you would not have to move the capacity would increase by around 10 k also the pitch would have to be re laid that could be done close season

What's the hold up on the new Kop stand? It seems like the town is trying to keep Wrexham from growing?

Why is this an issue? There are some smaller stadiums like Kenilworth where Luton Town FC play (and they are in premier league). What they have is bigger than Luton Town FC and if they complete the KOP change the stadium will be bigger. They have history there so just stay there.

It would be nice to build a multi-level parking...

I'm sure R&R have thought about this alot since Wreksam gained automatic promotion to league 1. Its obvious we need a bigger stadium for bigger revenue - giving us financial stability. Moving the student accommodation between the outskirts of New Broughton and the A483 would be the best option imo - and then expanding the lager stand into that space. But this is just my opinion. I can't wait to see what happens next season - and what becomes of the Kop (which is the priority at the moment)

I think they should build up...the Race Course is too important a piece of the club and the town

The racecourse ground is historic. It should be wrexham’s forever home.

I would say, build a new stadium across the way there. But you have to keep the race course grounds, so make that into the training facility and rent it out to the university and other local clubs on the weekends when the team isn't using it. That way it'll generate some extra income and still remain standing. You can't just remove a historical landmark like that.

if you offer the adjacent parking space holders/property a parking garage then everything is possible... with money everything is possible! The only question is how arrival and departure will be arranged in the future. tt 15,000 it's still fine, if you expand it to 30-40,000 thousand, it gets very violent....

Stadiums are built and used for at minimum 30 years, if the plan is for Wrexham to be in the Premier league within 5-10 years, then there's a need for a stadium of at least 30.000 people. Is there enough space to build a stadium of that capacity without taking down and relocating parts of the University? I think there isn't, maybe it would be better to start talking with whoever decides and start building Uni buildings elsewhere so that within 2-4 years there are no problems and a new stadium can be built.

What a nice problem to have considering where the club was four years ago. But you can not survive on other people's money forever. The club will need to be profitable soon, and that means decisions have to be made. Some of those will be unpopular.

That is a historic stadium. It should be maintained but modermised. Rob & Ryan would want to support the town's people & businesses. If there's a will, there's a way.

Turn the pitch around by 90 degrees and expand into the car park

Great to have a new stadium but what about the history all that will have gone right out the window!

One more question, and maybe this is too ambitious, but Wrexham is only a one hour bus ride to Goodison Park. Everton needs the money. Would it be possible to simply schedule Wrexham home matches at Goodison Park (attendance 40K) for 2 years in a row, while a full rebuild of the Raceourse Ground happens?

Stay put, because as sure as night becomes day those Americans will bail out sooner or later.

The only stand that can be expanded is the Kop end, as the rest is either public roads or University owned land

You could play somewhere temporarily while you fully rebuild

If they make the championship league there could be enough revenue to add a 2nd deck one side at a time

I mean, just take inspiration from "La bombonera" and rebuild the whole thing in multiple stages. It will be one of the most intimidating stadiums in EFL if it happens

The stands are often half capacity during the league games draped in red covers.

We can't leave the Racecourse - too much history. We can shift the pitch towards the Kop and build up at the Tec End. We could also buy the flats, move them to where you suggest a ground could go (or help pay for a new Uni campus) and build up and out in the Wrexham Lager Stand as well then. We only need get to £30k. With the club booming that's very doable.

Hello from France if you want to make something new with something old!!! it could be very expensive plus you will have to find a place to play practically for 2 seasons... in any case I wish you the best for the future !!!!

There's a lot of history at the Cae Ras, maybe too much for the club to grow conventionally. Personally I think Rob and Ryan, while hating the stress, love the challenge of making the club the best it can be without taking away what made it Wrexham in the first place. Judging on how the supporters trust were consulted on even getting a sponsor for the Racecourse, any big changes will probably be run past them first.

I love this story…. It’s like FIFA manager mode but in real life! 😊

Rotate pitch by 90 degrees, which would allow greater scope for expansion while keeping the main stand and Turf in current position.

Wrexham needs to consolidate their team, League 1 means they will need major team changes to remain competitive. The Luton and Brentford stadiums in the premiership both have smaller capacity, am sure the 2Rs would like to keep the historic value (which was one of the attractions) of the stadium, and focus on developing the team for next season.

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I think they have time...I don't see them being promoted out of League 1 anytime soon...Just build up little by little.

OK, I am not a Wrexham fan, how big you want the new stadium, 35,000 seater stadium? Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhenney are Millionaires, not Billionaires. A brand new 35,000 seater could cost about half a billion. How popular is football in North Wales, would you like your stadium full of Tourists supporters? I am a West Ham fan, I can tell.you that does kill the atmosphere at home games. I know it's exciting times right now, watching the documentary series, I have seen what the Wrexham fans have been through. A Developer buying your club and trying to do a Brighton to it, that is horrible and well done to the Wrexham fans to stop it. Once the Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhenney factor.wears off, they set up Wrexham AFC to get its own money in, without them helping out. It is interesting to see what happens to Bournemouth with their North American Owner, building a new stadium, how many fans can they get? You don't want a MK Dons situation, where the stadium is half full, I think the Owner of the MK Dons is finding out the hard way, why Milton Keynes never had a football club, before he stole Wimbledon FC and moved it to Milton Keynes.

They will need to have a bigger stadium when they make to Premier League for sure

Dig down and begin the stadium underground. Put the playing field below sea level and the parking lots. Then build up and out. less space more seating.

I mean a new stadium is the only option. Stadium is getting old and even with the new expansion....just 15K overall? It needs to be replaced. Construction would be a short term hurt for long term gain. People need to use their heads.

Use old racecourse as training ground, & build new stadium elsewhere

How much does it cost to build a new stadium? Given the high inflation around the globe, cost will be much higher

I know the history of the Racetrack, and I do appreciate history. It comes down to the club surviving vs. prospering, the club needs ticket sales desperately to be able to compete and advance. To keep the Racetrack then all the stands needs to be torn down and rebuilt for a 30,000 to 40,000 seat stadium. There is only so much Ryan and Rob can do on there own, the 3 tiers of government need to help with funding along with private partnerships funding as well.

Never ever ever move, ever.

We are not going anywhere

Any chance to place the parking underground?

If you can't build out , then you have to build upwards , leaving the Racecourse ground isn't something you should do and when you get promoted at the end of next season you are going to need to do that anyway for the Championship and then the Premier League.

The club is growing too quickly for the stand to be enough for the fanbase In the next 2-3 seasons they could get another 2 promotions and by then the stadium is way too small… The owners really should build a new stadium as a bare minimum

Build up, build steeper, close the corners. You could manage a 30000ish stadium there, easy. Even more but you got no standing areas in the UK anymore, right?!

Cantilever 2nd teirs on all 4 sides

That student accommodation is a big problem. They wont knock that down.

If we move stadiums it will be over my dead body.

As a US fan, would it bother you all if they moved across the street behind the houses and the Original racecourse could be kept as the training facility/museum?