5 Orchestration Shortcuts That Will Save You Time

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5 tips for composer studying orchestration!
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@michaelsheard4522 Жыл бұрын

Alan Belkin described the oboe as "a bit of a prima donna" (I think I've got the quote right), which is both amusing and useful. "Naughty boy of the orchestra" makes the point even more emphatically.

@erpollock Жыл бұрын

Since I've been going to the Philadelphia, I've noticed Philippe Tondre's oboe playing and it does stand out from the rest of the orchestra.

@isomeme Жыл бұрын

My father referred to the oboe as "An ill wind that nobody blows good." :)

@alexjacob_composer 10 ай бұрын

Before pop stars like Madonna existed, the diva was the oboe. That's probably why Professor Belkin calls the oboe a Pre-Madonna.

@ethanwelk2736 3 ай бұрын

I played oboe for many years and was never good at it.

@rkstudios1582 Жыл бұрын

These are all really great tips! I love that they aren't just the standard tired tips, but really things that seem applicable to you and your writing development! Thank you!

@timcox5373 Жыл бұрын

Another tip that a bunch of composers get hung up on (including me when I first started): Don't be afraid to have resting measures. Don't worry about a player being "bored" it's super common for someone to have 8/10/28/etc measures of rest, or even an entire piece (look up "Flight of the Bumblebee on Bass Trombone" to see a great example of this). Your writing and your orchestration will open up when you stop thinking everyone needs to be doing something

@newagain9964 4 ай бұрын

Somewhere, a violinist is triggered.

@skittybee Ай бұрын

@@newagain9964long rest periods are more common in symphonic works. I like it, because it’s a break when I’m usually always playing

@HeavenestStCyr Жыл бұрын

1 Voicing Chords in WWs: See Clarinets and Bassoons as strings for harmony and treat Flutes and Oboes to drive melody 2 Keep families together to support each other 3 Use Percussion more for support and color 4 Mark up your line before orchestrating

@jenssieckmann Жыл бұрын

I love these short, concise and valuable shortcuts.

@goldenwater2916 Жыл бұрын

I love your videos, they're just the right length and easy to understand, thank you!

@mathiaslevyvalensi-compose5014 Жыл бұрын

Tip 4 is actually such a brilliant tip! So simple yet so refined! I would love a video about the rhythmic elements found in the brass and woodwinds all over the star wars scores and so many others. When the composers seem to simply fill out the space but it has such an effect with all there chords in triplets, quintuplets and whatnot! Thanks for the video!

@winknotes Жыл бұрын

I love tip #4 and reinforces something I've recently come to realize about my sketches. I can be pretty lazy about sketches but the more detailed I am the better the final result.

@DrCorpse Жыл бұрын

Great content and tips Ryan. Thanks for all you do!

@keeonramusic Жыл бұрын

Amazing pearls of wisdom. As someone just starting out, albeit late in life, I'm enjoying your videos, learning so much and putting everything into practice to get better and better. (Also seeing another South Aussie creator is great too). I'm getting my manuscript book and pencil out. It's been a long time since high school music classes, but it's all coming back to me. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and experience with the community. "On the shoulders of giants..."

@c.s.i.inamerica2420 Жыл бұрын

I just discovered your channel today and I love every video I've watched so far. You're easy to listen to and present everything a real easy-to-understand manner! Thank you!!!

@BaldPerspective Жыл бұрын

All great points!! You def can never go wrong with chorale-style part writing.

@AndrewUdal Жыл бұрын

Tip 2: It’s something I found very interesting but it’s very clearly used through lot’s of very well known music especially as a way of developing a thematic idea. Repeat the same idea in the 3 different sections (or go spicy and do a 4th with percussion and harp etc) and develop it in each new section as a way of stating an idea whilst keeping the piece moving.

@littlemarmoset Жыл бұрын

Solo cello and oboe at the octave in one of the Schumann symphonies is a lovely pairing as well.

@ibanezman04 Жыл бұрын

Ryan your channel is getting better and better! Quality content.

@chc_portlock2301 Жыл бұрын

Tip 4 seems so obvious yet I can’t believe I’ve never approached it like that, awesome stuff!

@tonkaphilips4674 Жыл бұрын

This video is so good, I can't wait for more orchestration videos!

@ZachHeyde Жыл бұрын

This is great stuff, Ryan! You've packed some real gems into a concise 5-minute video 👍🏻

@KimberlyKreek 3 ай бұрын

Thank you so much! Wonderful ideas and played out so logically and easy to understand

@matthewjamestaylor Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for sharing this, Ryan. Cheers.

@erikbrendeland3445 Жыл бұрын

So thankful to have your video come up in my video feed. Been looking for orchestration help like this. Thanks for referencing those sources also. Gives me some books to buy.

@Bitimi Жыл бұрын

I struggle with woodwinds for sure. Thanks for the helpful tips! I'm excited to think through, experiment and implement some of these.

@Qermaq Жыл бұрын

Pretty good tips. You are correct about #4 - it's like the difference between food and ingredients.Too often we look at melodies and harmonies as stuff to distribute, a bag of candy, and not, as we ought to, as ingredients that need a little prep before we start cooking. This process forces you to see the music in the line and later it will be obvious where to voice it.

@SimplyChirpy Жыл бұрын

I never dreamt that such great teaching could be found on KZfaq. Thanks a ton, Ryan.

@tiansaxo Жыл бұрын

Thanks Ryan, I love your videos! :-) I just ordered the books you recommended from my library

@enrath4078 Жыл бұрын

I used these tips today for my Theory and Composition class today and it helped SO MUCH

@matthewgellar1442 Жыл бұрын

I feel lucky to have played quite a lot of the staple orchestral repertoire. Rehearsing and playing a bunch of different music got me really familiar with how various instrument combinations sound and i have a sort of sound bank of those with pieces as examples. I do want to say to composers and arrangers out there, the bass clarinet is an extremely flexible instrument, dont hold back!

@kibudude Жыл бұрын

Love your channel🔥Like to see a video with insights on wind only orchestral composing. Keep up your great videos.

@erpollock Жыл бұрын

Very interesting for orchestral composers! I'm not one, but the construction of an orchestral piece is really fascinating. And how you take from different sources, books, and from John Williams, and use their advice. This must be very helpful for composers.

@Tylervrooman Жыл бұрын

Very cool watching your channel grow! Getting to that 100k soon!! Thanks for the great work

@billwentz5014 Жыл бұрын

Thank you. Excellent product!

@adamtullymusic Жыл бұрын

Very Helpful! Thank you, Ryan.

@SaarangP_007 Жыл бұрын

Really amazing tips for orchestral music...especially if you are just starting out and don't know where to begin. Valuable content!!

@henriquevazromano240 Жыл бұрын

Best video i watched today. Thank you!

@tahutoa Жыл бұрын

I didn't know about that "marking the line" thing, but it makes a lot of sense. When the muse hits and I suddenly imagine a melody complete with chords hitting at certain spots, I can only sing the one line to myself _but_ I'll throw in things like an accent on what I know would be supported by other chord tones when I wrote it down.

@studentmusician2184 Жыл бұрын

I agree very much with writing the articulations and dynamics before orchestrating further.

@amiezwag Жыл бұрын

Your channel is amazing, thank you so much!

@BhaalSakh 10 ай бұрын

This channel is a gold mine.

@alexander.hansson Жыл бұрын

I totally agree that Alain Mayrands courses really are a game changer. They really do deserve the most attention and is really an investment. Would love an interview-video!

@RyanLeach Жыл бұрын

We’ve talked about having him on, he’s a busy guy!

@Imagineyourmusiccom 11 ай бұрын

very effective and straight to the point, just subcribed, thank you very much

@gondiulaurentiu3804 Жыл бұрын

The first piece of advice about the woodwind quartet is so relevant that it deserves a subscription from the start.

@vegangames3468 Жыл бұрын

Excellent work. 💙

@gavinfrody9976 Жыл бұрын

This is a pretty cool video! I think we can move past the ideas that we need to orchestrate specific ways like having clarinets and bassoons together and with an oboe melody. If we keep doing things the way we always have then we'll never get anything new.

@detlefkrystofiak3838 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the tips, which are very valuable to me. I have a direction to go first.

@salimsalari389 Жыл бұрын

Very informative. Thanks!

@musical_lolu4811 Жыл бұрын

Clarinet's clarino range also tends to stick out melodically in like _mf_ or _f_ so it can potentially enjoy the diva status of flutes and oboes.

@Botondar Жыл бұрын

It's funny how the example at 2:53 demonstrates the John Powell quote "trumpets are a percussion instrument".

@RyanLeach Жыл бұрын

I've heard he's got a real problem with trumpets lol

@Botondar Жыл бұрын

@@RyanLeach he did follow it up with "and nothing else" haha

@papitay2010 Жыл бұрын

great master... You is a great musician.. Many, many, many thanks....

@donaldjacobs4732 Жыл бұрын

Thank you! This will help me

@jose-daniel_martinez-miranda Жыл бұрын

Wonderful advice!

@RyanLeach Жыл бұрын

🎻 How to Write EPIC Cinematic Strings kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qsqUpJaktp-VfZ8.html

@gavinleepermusic Жыл бұрын

Great tips!!

@1GearG0 8 ай бұрын

Awesome. Thanks man

@willgiam3231 4 ай бұрын

Thank you!!

@gylchrissprauve3760 Жыл бұрын

On time video...thanks a million

@FelixPando Жыл бұрын

Thanks Alan its help me 100 %.

@BeefisGolden 9 ай бұрын

Oh man.. This was the channel I was looking for.

@truBador2 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tips.

@sampsonaborah1190 Жыл бұрын

Awesome, thanks

@Jamesmusica Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@user-bc6jq3qv3f Жыл бұрын

Спасибо!) очень интересное видео!)

@littlemarmoset Жыл бұрын

Flute and oboe at the unison is quite nice. The flute mellows the oboe, and the oboe gives the flute a bit more oomph.

@gilevansinsideout 5 ай бұрын

Nice video thanks

@marcosPRATA918 Жыл бұрын

Orquestração, eis a arte máxima da composição.

@guilhermeassuncaomusic Жыл бұрын

This channel is epic!

@MrTarlecon Жыл бұрын

I felt a complete amateur while watching this - a very important and helpful feeling for a one who thinks he can do all this "intuitively")). Thanks a lot for showing my ego its real place :)).

@Olosson Жыл бұрын

Very nice! I agree...

@thomascollins4325 Жыл бұрын

Liked the video!!!

@ejohnmcpomus Жыл бұрын

Great tips.....👌

@jcoolverine3483 Жыл бұрын

i saw one video of yours that show and sheets and piano tabs in program together, its super helpful that! can you do that in all your video ? thank you!

@lastritt Жыл бұрын

I have found that the more instruments you have at hand, the easier it is to orchestrate. The real trick is to make sound full and colorful when your budget is too small to voice four part chords in the brass, woodwinds or horn sections. More thought must be given to creatively blend timbres.

@grt002 Жыл бұрын

Would love to see you analyze Liberty Fanfare by John Williams. Such a cool piece.

@artal15213 Жыл бұрын

Congrads on 100k

@RyanLeach Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@DavidRLentz Жыл бұрын

Immensely 🤔 and enlightening.

@ejohnmcpomus Жыл бұрын

👍 Very nice

@seuradu8065 Жыл бұрын

There are many methods of approaching orchestration. What no composer has really presented in the course of orchestration is the compatibility of the timbres or colors of the instruments in the art of symphonic orchestration.For example, the horn is compatible as a timbre with the cello, or the Flute with violin and trombone and the Wagnerian Tuba with double bass.This aspect has not yet been addressed in orchestration courses. John Williams is my favorite composer in terms of film music orchestration.

@seekertosecrets Жыл бұрын

1:38 So like a duet!

@wildflute Жыл бұрын

There is no melody quite sublime in the ear than when it’s played sensitively by a talented clarinetist. And I’m a flutist!

@asllenn Жыл бұрын

good video

@Reeseington 9 ай бұрын

3:06 you sneaky dog

@GTORT Жыл бұрын

Still the best channel idc what anyone says

@i3gallery Жыл бұрын

Whilst what I am about to ask can be subjectively approached, I have to ask because curiosity wills it to be asked. Has anyone devised a classification of orchestral instruments based on how well their timbres support each other? For example, you talk about Oboes and Flutes being the "divas" whilst the Clarinets and Bassoons provide harmonic support", so has anyone built a list of instruments that provide a similar "definition"? Just to clarify, I am not talking about traditional/classical family groupings of instruments or the Hornbostel-Sachs instrument classification but a more progressive "sub-classification" that describes timbral characteristic similarities within certain families for example, those instruments in a given family that generate more of a given fundamental frequency as opposed to generating multiple overtones in harmonic sequence? I am not asking for a "definitive list" but just curious if this subjective viewpoint would have any general consensus in composer circles and if so, has anyone generated anything as a "general rule of thumb"? I am not a "professional" composer, my main strength is within production and sequencing but as I continue to explore, I find rabbit holes like this that require exploration. Any insight would be amazing. Thank you!

@musiquesintemporelles 7 ай бұрын

04:20 Counterpoint helps! 😉

@bhaveshmistry3255 Жыл бұрын

It is absolutely amazing and a useful lesson for me. I have learned piano and I have a natural gift for composition but when it comes to orchestral work or to build the composition I really stuck and to be honest I don’t like to focus on theory’s when I make music. I can learn watching videos and by listening music rather than a reading music. I always curious to learn about the orchestration work and I am happy that I found you on KZfaq. Do you teach privately? Thank you so much for make tutorials 🙏

@furman.composer Жыл бұрын

You cannot orchestrate properly without reading extensively.

@ericmyrs 7 ай бұрын

Another thing to think about, is that music is played by humans, not machines. Try to avoid boring generations of cellists with the Canon in D problem. Mid and low range solos can be great, The Game of Thrones theme springs to mind, and so does the Trio section of basically any march.

@orchestralhymns Жыл бұрын

👏👏👏

@millennial8441 Жыл бұрын

Really helpful tips. The problem is when one sketches all the music for the piano and then one has to orchestrate. it That is the real problem because the piano is all-even sound, from the very low to the very high 88th key. And the winds have all those intonation problems.

@mr88cet Жыл бұрын

This is all really excellent, thanks! However, there’s another, very-different approach, or perhaps “scenario”: In some cases, my entire motivation for a composition (or section) starts with timbre, or at least coincident with the melody. For example, the entire point right from the start might be to portray a conversation between flute and clarinet, say, taken over by violin and viola. In other words, it’s not always melody, then harmony, then orchestration.

@darionbuck4614 Жыл бұрын

Beethoven seems to use the oboe, at least in his symphonies, as the glue or bridge for the strings to the woodwinds.

@starwarsdd7138 Жыл бұрын

Amazing video! I was wondering, which software do you recommend to learn in order to start orchestration?

@RyanLeach Жыл бұрын

For a beginner notation software I’d recommend Musescore (it’s free), for more professional level I like Dorico

@stevevasta 9 ай бұрын

Enjoyed this. But i'm not sure how much help the "four-part chorale" idea would be in very "horizontal" music. Dvořák liked to write four-part chorales, incidentally, for two oboes and two clarinets, rather low in the range, and the second oboe always sticks out. Orchestras, even in Czechia, apparently have their own standard workarounds for them.

@martin-raison-music-composer Жыл бұрын

3:37 what are those six steps? :) thanks !

@radioness9275 Ай бұрын

5:00

@StefanGraz Жыл бұрын

1:26 Disney!! 😀

@derycktrahair8108 10 ай бұрын

OBOE is the Trumpet of the WWind section. Bad boy? Shame him & he will come back on English Horn. You can't keep a good Muso down. But most will go to Sop Sax & sound alarming. Hey, if you hear your musical voice in that range try CLARINET. The strange fingering was designed to keep the lazy ones out. When you hear yourself with that sound you'll love it & put in the hard work.

@hubertholdys7290 10 ай бұрын

What music software do you use to write symphony music ?

@RyanLeach 10 ай бұрын

I like Dorico

@hello_person_wathing_beatSaber Ай бұрын

What software do you use for making music

@RyanLeach Ай бұрын

Dorico and Logic

@miltonderezende7906 Жыл бұрын

I'm a layman on the subject, however I believe that orchestrating is the same as painting a picture. There are people who have a doctorate in painting and cannot paint anything, while others who are almost illiterate paint marvels. The same happens with harmonization and orchestration. No matter how much you study, a person without a vocation will never write a song like Leonard Bernstein From Brazil.

@JasonMcChristian 10 ай бұрын

Articulations and dynamics within a line should be treated as just as important as rhythm and pitch. I consider all four at the same time when composing.