Ryobi is the wal mart of power tools. Crap

I didn't think the terminals were supposed to add battery life, just provide better preformance, like more torque. I'd be interested in you running the same test but with driving large lags to see the preformance difference.

The extra contacts provide higher current draw to the tool. This doesn't increase how many holes you can drill but will provide greater torque if you are drilling through something that has greater friction. Higher amp draw = greater torque.

Just curious, did you measure how long it takes to make the 72 holes in each scenario? Sorry if you mentioned that in the video and I missed it

but one battery was 1.5ah and the other 2.0ah so you got more holes right?

So much misinformation here. 1) Those are two different drills the compact and non- compact ( you can tell by the Black plastic housing vs the metal silver one on the full size) 2) compacts don't use the extra contacts because they are not for bigger tough jobs where the tool needs the extra power draw. 3)HP terminals don't give you more run time so no shit you got the same amount of work done. the terminals prevent bogging down.

I'm curious to know if the elapsed time to drill the 72 holes varied between runs. Did it seem that the drill worked "quicker" with the terminals connected?

Do u think adhesive may have prevented positive contact ?

Let me get one thing straight cause I’m new I want to get ryobi tools , so for any Hp + one all ryobi batteries even the none more powerful ones with those extra two pins on the back of the battery will work ( and fit ) their regular and hp + one tools ? As I saw you tested this test w the (hp+one correct me if I’m not saying the model one battery correct hehe ) not the regular press fit on so that’s why I’m confused . And how is the warranty and performance and longevity of the older non brushless tool models I wanted to get the brad nailer but the brush seems to last a while but losses power ( I guess the compressed air ) and the new brushless is at decent price any ideas how reliable they are ? Now about those pins you mention Other brands do it so their tools only work for their batteries but knock off have copy the idea and bypass but the reality is that the cells inside are the $$ so yeah , in this case I could say maybe but maybe it add extra rush current but since it has the same AH the job done by the tool will last the same and the only difference will be changing or upgrading from brush motor tools to brushless that’s all, in my opinion…

The best way to see if those contact batteries add more performance is to perform a torque test on the drill to see how much if any more torque is applied to say a fastener and make and average vs the non contact .

2ah is still 2ah when it's HP "enabled". however; the two extra connectors allows it to draw more energy when needed for high load. It should be able to complete heavier tasks without sweating.

Interesting would like to see this on other tools as well..

Was it faster/more powerful?

This might be above my pay grade, but could the masking tape of conducted electricity and the terminals were still active and working?

I have a ton of Ryobi tools and use them for Work and home. True they are not the best. but for me the options of the tools were what sent me green. they actually have every tool I use no other company offered them all on the same battery platform. no other reason than that. and for me that was a big one.

Great video ! Just from my experience in the hp hammer drill I use for ice fishing if I block the prongs the drill will cut out while drilling a hole through ice numerous times, when I unblock the prongs I can drill holes without any cut out. I have also used a regular battery and the drill cuts out but didn't with an hp battery I can really notice with more labor intense work. Not sure if this is true with other tools, but interesting video great work

I choose between Dewalt DCD701D2 and Ryobi ONE+ HP RDD18C. What do you advise?

Just curious, were you able to drill the 72 holes any quicker with the terminals uncovered than when they were covered? By "better power up" perhaps they are referring to speed/power over longevity? Just a thought.

My newer Ryobi HP tools outperform my older Ryobi non-HP tools. Better motors, better batteries. As a DIY weekend warrior, I might need to drill 4 holes with my drill. I really don't need the more expensive contractor rated tools. Ryobi gets the job done and saves me a lot of money. Are Ryobi HP tools worth the extra money? Probably not if your old drill is getting the job done. BTW, the newer LI/HP Ryobi batteries have brought new life to many of my older Ryobi tools from the Ni-Cad era 15 years ago. My old Ryobi tools work even better than when I bought them. Same battery format 25+ years. That's what I call value.

Hey are you going to do a comparison of the new dual blade Ryobi with the EGO select cut?

Whats the price difference between HP and non HP bare tool?

My Ryobi drill/screwdriver does NOTHING but I have the basic battery that came with the drill/screwdriver. I suspect when I thought I was getting a bargain that I just purchased the cheapest drill in the range that struggles to do anything. Thanks you for this video/review. it is well worth watching all these reviews from someone who is independent, since I often wonder about the comments on the product, reviews. Is the manufacturer putting those one to boost sales?

Wait.. You thought that extra terminals somehow added more capacity to the battery? 😂😂😂

It says right on the battery housing what size battery to use with the drill. You ran a test using a battery that was smaller than the recommended size so it's no surprise why you feel there was no HP boost.

Nice job

Those terminals aren't designed to give you longer run time, it's supposed to improve performance when the tool needs it, which you even said going over their promotional material. Something along the lines of the battery delivering more power when the drill hits a harder part of the wood, for example. I'd imagine the performance gains would be more noticeable out of the mower powerful HP batteries (especially something like the P195)

Did you use a new bit

The terminals were not supposed to add battery life, just provide better performance, like more torque on impact wrench P262, i tested and it made a differenc and it protect the battery from heating

As some already stated, those ports are communication ports, and the wiring isn't for power draw, but is suspect they could give an information to the tool like "this is an HP battery, you can draw XX more amps fro instantaneous power", hence it'd require some torque measurement. But i've also an HP angle grinder, and i noticed it's definately more powerful when using the 4Ah battery than the 2Ah (talking not about capacity, but actual instant max power, like losing only some speed VS totally stalling on the same hard material). Have to test with the 4Ah battery with terminals covered to see maybe the tool would limit itself to the same power draw as with the smaller battery.

Did you get a new bit for the second test? It takes more power as the bit wears.

So I just got the HP Compact a couple weeks ago. So far I am not a fan of the brushless, but my older brushed versions are so much better, so far. There is very poor low speed startup torque. E.g. if you are needing to slowly thread a screw, it cuts out. I can full trigger and it starts but who needs that, the work will be a mess. I tried the same on my buddies new Ridged, same thing. Everyone are doing these test with balls to the wall speed and torque but lest do it with very slow controlled startup speed and see what happens.

Do a test with two drill bits maybe the drill bit got a little dull on your second test

The terminals don't add battery life. It allows a higher discharge rate of the battery when needed. Thus more power available.

I didn’t think it would add longevity. I expect it to give the motor the go ahead to drive harder. Did you notice the drill speed improving, that’s what I figured would improve.

As others have mentioned the additional contacts you taped over are meant to deliver addition peak power to the tool which translates to more torque, the run time of the tool can't increase unless the Amp hours of the battery increase otherwise we would be breaking the laws of physics

Wow, that's weird. I wonder how many holes you could drill with the new battery on the old model. Or for that matter, with the old battery on the old model, or the old battery on the new model. lol I see a lot of saw dust in your future :D

According to TTI the new HP 18v Brushless Tools has the HP tech built into the tool now, as well as providing the HP batteries to compliment. I get the same return from my P108 and the P197 and PBP004 and yes even the newer lithium PBP005. It does matter what the application is being used for but the batteries are even. The only difference is the Samsung vs Sony vs Evo Ten whatever. The first two seem to keep a longer shelf life. Remember to always follow safety protocol.

Used Ryobi tools for the last 10 years, never failed me before. The test is surprizing, is the HP pretending to provide more Bettray life? where does it say? don't quite understand the test.

I wonder if someone has taken the drill apart and see if the contacts actually go somewhere

I don't understand why you compared the runtime, but came up with the conclusion of performance. You stated yourself that the extra terminal is giving the tool extra power, so it's actually GOOD that the extra power didn't reduce the runtime. Ryobi did a good job there!

Hey, instead of just taping the contacts can you do the test with a standard battery compared to an HP? This will clarify if the battery does make a difference but the contacts just aren't necessary.

I bought that drill...specs say the torque is more than the old brushed ones. Well, for drilling holes or putting in screws it does work good...but I also often use my drill to spin over 100-150cc motors, and the brushless drill WON'T do that. Whenever the speed controller senses enough of a load, it cuts power...where the brushed ones just keep chugging on through, spinning the motor past top dead center. Now, this is not a normal use of a drill, but I expected the brushless to do it better, not fail completely. They probably have sensorless brushless motors..which need to spin a tad before the speed controller can really ramp them up...put enough load at low speed and they will "cog". That can damaged the motor and speed controller. This may not be an issue in other types of tools, and my new drill does do standard drilling jobs just fine. But, I really would have done just as well to find a used brushed model on facebook for probably under $40, than spend $150 for the brushless one.

Think about what you said....it operates at peak performance. If I adjust my Jeep, Truck Motorcycle for peak performance, Im most likely not going to get better MPG's. I may have better torque or higher top end speed. Did your drill get the 72 holes done quicker? Did you bother to time it? It's so possible you didn't see much difference because the worl load wasn't different, the tool communicated no change was needed. Maybe drying in hardwood, knots, or something more challenging would have shown different results.

I thought the HP meant more power not more battery life. You should be able to drill deeper and wider holes in harder wood. Not more holes.

The better performance is how fast you can drill the holes not how many holes you can drill. I've personally done this test on my circular saw and the difference is very substantial.

I guess the question is, did it bog down?

I think you’re basically measuring the capacity of the battery with that test. I would also be surprised if those communication terminals would change the capacity of the battery. I wonder if the torque changes when those terminals are utilised?

did you use a new drill bit for each test?

How about testing the tool with normal lithium battery (non HP) to see if the battery is bringing anything to the table!

Just found this video. Great idea, great video and something I wandered about.. My guess is the additional contacts on the new model drill are fake (not connected). The additional contacts on your circular saw on the other video are connected electrically. Possibly high current applications or applications when the current draw varies greatly during the use (circular saw some others) and the battery pack can adapt to the changes and increases performance.

The terminals are not for longer runtime they are marketed for power performance. The tools will not be bogged down as they would with the standard battery.

A teardown is all you can use to tell if they do or don't. It might allow higher torque or not. It may not allow higher lifetime of use. But a teardown would show if the contacts are fake... or if they (as I suspect) only allow thicker wire contact, for higher amps, *when* the tool draws them. That's all. No difference, just larger contacts. :P

I dont really understand y ppl bash ryobi things, I use the older brushed units and they work fine for wht I need. Thinking abt getting the 750 inlb hammer drill or might keep the 600 unit I have (idk yet) and maybe getting a couple other things. Ig it’s just preference.

Compare the HP brushless with the non-hp brushless

I think your test on the drill and battery actually brings up more questions than it answers. The test here shows each configuration drilling the same amount of holes with the brushless tool. I'd love to see the comparison with the HP battery in the non-brushless tool. Are brushless tools really any better for most DIY'ers? Your other (saw) comparison clearly shows the HP batteries are NOT worth the premium price compared to the standard 18V batteries, which are half the price. I like your videos though! As for comparing Ryobi to Dewalt, Makita, or Milwaukee... The probelem many of us find ourselves in is that we've committed to whatever brand and have multiple tools, so changing to another brand becomes a nightmare in costs, or a nightmare in all the different batteries and chargers we would have to keep around.

I'm able to make perfect sense of HP tools but they definitely need to label thier shit better. And also all those people saying ryobi is shit. I dare you to get the new HP hammer drill and 3 speed impact kit and come back.

I just want to mention I drilled in steel for a week and it stopped working. I took it apart and found metal shavings in the motor magnetics. I cleaned them out and it started working again

I think they literally just added the tabs would be interested in a disassembly of the tool and the battery to see if the cells are different than the regular battery... and for the drill if the tabs are even connected.

I have seen other tests on other KZfaq channels that conclusively prove that the HP batteries have higher capacity than the standard batteries of the same A/H rating especially under long term steady load such as powering one of Ryobi work lights. Many people seem to confuse what can be termed as power

As so many commenters have pointed out, the 'performance increase' should be in higher power delivery, not battery capacity or power efficiency. Why you haven't taken down this vid yet is beside me.

Great work dude covering up marketing crap!

The terminals don't make the battery last longer. They deliver extra amps when needed by the tool.

Perhaps the terminals aren't actually connected to anything?

Open that new drill and see if those terminals are connect it

You should have timed yourself on how long it took to drill 72 holes. There is no magic that can increase the amount of power in the battery, however how fast that energy can be accessed can change.

Two things what do the extra ports really do? Second on the the new drill with ports, are they connected to anything. Opinion I think the two ports modulate the power delivery to protect the battery. It might not be any more powerful but it should have a longer life span. That is opinion not fact.

I think you're getting it wrong. My understanding is that HP with terminals drill through faster than without using the terminals. Other though would have been less number of holes for the HP terminals due to high, supposedly, higher battery draw.

how about seeing if those extra tabs even have wires connected to them?

Ryobi Ope i had back luck with guess what i switched to!

I have Ryobi, DeWalt, and other brands. The Ryobi tools have some reduced usefulness in certain applications, i.e., the light does not stay on, less compact. However, they always seem to have higher peak torque when you need it most.

Next time this test is done electrical tape should be used instead of duct tape. Duct tape has some ability to pass power through it. (sorta doubtful this happened, but it might have.) If the tool communicated through the duct tape, it would have communicated both times and your test would show the same thing.

Extra terminals deliver better performance not longer run time.

Busted!! You are the Best!!! Great video and I always love the comedy parts (terminal) you throw in to entertain your mates.

It’s not about more holes, it about faster RPM’s and power to drill through thicker items easier.

4ah just means it can dump more energy into the turning. Instead of drilling holes try pulling specifically torqued bolts consecutively. Also 2 amp batter could be the same mah as a 1 amp. I learned this from vape batteries on mechanical mods. . It's like how portable phone recharging packs may both be high speed or quick charge but one has 14k mahs vs 7k. Getting to the truth you will find the 2 amp battery will take a heavy pound per square inch torqued bolt faster than a 1 amp battery.

Thing is it should have done less due to faster drain. The hp terminals give out more power when tool is stressed not save power

Actually, that was suspected before. There is a post on Reddit.

The battery thing is kind of funny, its like they just added meaningless terminals just for the marketing department.

Work in equals work out. Whatever energy is stored inside the battery at full charge will always be given in work done by the drill (this case 72 holes). It's like emptying a tank filled with water through a pipe. Whether the pipe is fully opened of half open, the same volume of water will come out each time. With that said, the difference will be the time taken to complete the 72 holes which will be as a result of a higher torque.

So basically, it's a BS. thanks. I might as well go for the cheaper last year's model rather than spending extra money on 2 useless prongs.

Ya, I don't see how more connections would drive the motor to be easier to longer to drill.Wouldnt you need more force generated by a stronger battery? And even if then, what power does the motor cap out at? Seems like a scam to make money on an otherwise remarkable tool.

The pins are either for protection, or are connected to nothing

The reason the drill didn't show a difference is because the compact series make it so every battrey makes I preform like a HP battrey. One is the HP compact series with it built in and the other is the pro line that has the contacts. Also HP has nothing to do with run time, 9AH HP is leak performance.

Only older HP tools had the extra prongs. Newer ones don't. It's built into the tool on how it gets the extra power.i thought everyone knew this

Ryobi is great if you use your tools a few times a year. That way the whole tool set isn't costing you $100 per use case.

Bus that tool open and see if those connections go anywhere, or if they just butt up against plastic and they’re there for looks, and if they look like they are connected to a motor run a voltmeter through it and see if it’s actually doing anything

I suspect you're looking at this wrong... Think chipped printer ink cartridges and apple products... These batteries are a step along the road to tools that will purposefully degrade performance when using non-genuine OEM batteries. This is just getting the groundwork done. That said, I'm sure that tool-battery communication will allow some optimisations, like limiting power draw if the battery starts to heat up, rather than just shutting down for some random number of minutes the way my Ryobi brushless reciprocating saw does.

I think you are missing the point. There is capacity and there is power. The HP series adds more power to tools. I have several HP tools and HP batteries and notice a big difference between the power of the HP and non HP batteries. My 6ah battery will last as long as my 4ah non HP battery. But the power difference is huge. My 4ah non HP battery (in an HP brushless 7 1/4 inch saw) will bog down if I push it too fast. But the 6ah battery in the same saw will make it hard to bog down and just flies through the cuts. But as the laws of physics dictate, more power requires more energy. So a 4ah non HP will last as long as the 6ah HP battery, but it will cut faster due to the increased power.

We need someone to take apart a hp battery and a hp tool to see what the two extra terminals connect too?? Reading other comments it seems ryobi's definition of high power mean higher torque! Which is misleading!

Additional battery contact is not going to increase the size of your wood board for you to drill more than 72 holes.... You probably should show us if there is any differences in speed when drilling those 72 holes.... 😮‍💨

HP would imply higher RPM or more torque though, not better run time.

Its not ment to make the battery last longer , it is suppose make the tool output more tourqe

Terminals are not connected to motor

I'm sorry I'm sorry but making one flawed and single test and then making an all-encompassing statement is pretty bad. What you need to do is to see if the power increased not longevity. So what you need to do is pick something where you're drilling like a bolt or some other thing into a really thick hard piece of wood and see how far it will drive it into the wood with and then how far it will drive it into the wood without. I bet you the contacts will make those lag bolts go into the wood deeper

The compact HP drill doesn't need the extra power . The full size version does with it's extra power.

I saw another review where the HP battery with the extra connectors lasted much longer than non HP batteries of the same size without the extra connectors. Very confusing and fishy if you ask me. I can see a class action lawsuit in the future if they cannot explain this.

Why would it drill more holes? a 2Ah Lithium battery is a 2Ah Lithium battery. "Communication terminals" don't magically give it more juice for a longer life. If anything, on the high output tools, using real batteries (let's face it, 2Ah and under are for feeding to lights and radios) the "communication terminals" tell the tool that it can kick up its amp draw, for more torque. That would result in roughly the same progress, just at a faster rate. Now, I'm not saying the cute, little compact HPs necessarily benefit from the extra terminals but they _definitely_ won't see any notable gains when using an anemic, 2Ah battery (regardless of terminals). I have one of the original HP compact drills, without the terminals. When I want performance (torque) gains, I put a 6Ah or 9Ah battery on it. It doesn't matter that it doesn't have extra terminals because the bigger batteries have more cells and thus, output more peak amps. If you want to test the max output of the drill, use a real battery, with and without the terminals covered. Even the 3Ah HP (21700 cells) would be a much better tester than that little 2Ah. 4Ah or better would only help to amplify the the difference, if there is one.

Great video - to me this seems like marketing BS. I'm somewhat a "battery enthusiast". The cells are what matter, the only benefit I can see with extra terminals is more surface area for the battery contacts which could allow more current through if there's a restriction on the standard terminals. So for example if the standard battery terminals allow 12 amps of current through at 18 watts and with the additional terminals you can now pull 16 amps at 18v I would consider that an improvement. But in a comparison test if you're drawing more current you would theoretically see more power in the holes, as the expense of runtime. That's why most power tool 18650 cells are around 2,000mAh - because it's a sweet spot between the amount of current available and capacity. That I'm aware of there's no circuitry in any battery that would be able to "communicate" with a tool differently and somehow unlock cheat mode.

This test isn’t conclusive enough. One what’s the results if you use a standard battery. Also last years drill was a compact drill with 400 inch pounds of torque the new one has 750 inch pounds of torque and I don’t think that was clarified.

Higher watts or higher capacity? You are testing Tesla and Prius on their mileage.