Yep, got a 1700 on an X370 back in 2017, running a 5800X3D off of that now, what an upgrade.

I have the 7800x3d with a 7900xtx and Lords of the fallen still stutters when moving between areas even though it's had many patches to date. Nothing a CPU can do about a poorly optimised game engine.

what that cpu does with like 50w is most impressive thing for me.. 5800x3d/7800xt here, great for my 240hz screen..

Been using this CPU for the past month on my flight sims and good lord it destroys everything I throw at it!

i got a 7800x3d and 4090 and its solid as a rock so far. Crazy cool as well as my old intel and 3080 was a room heater....

Would be really great to hear you guys talk about cache-coherent interconnects like CXL providing high-bandwidth PCIe at extremely low latency and if/when we might see this tech migrate from servers to mainstream and the affect it could have on gaming and computing. A few years ago we heard all about the PS5s I/O accelerator and how the Oodle Kraken & texture decompression was a game-changer but we've yet to see anything like it on PC (Windows crappy implementation of DirectStorage does not count, in my opinion) What are you thoughts on this?

Guys, just know how I miss your CPU reviews! Direct comparisons with framerate and frametime graphs show much more than typical AVG+LOWs graphs we see everywhere.

I've been rocking this chip since earlier this year… I'm lovin' it!

I have this CPU coming later this week along with a 7900XTX for my very first build. Should be fun!

The parallelization is the hard part. You almost have to make a script that will look for CPU's and create profiles based on the core and thread count. This will take time. This is where AI would be very helpful. It can be in the background optimizing threads for a 4, 6, 8, 12, and 16 core CPU. It would run a check to see the core count and execute the the script to start the threading in Windows scheduler or a pre-baked in engine scheduler. This way tasks can be offloaded to various threads based on the criticality. For instance, a thread may just be used to complile shaders in the background constantly. Future engines will need to focus on multi-core threading in earnest. You can have the fastest IPC on the planet. It will mean nothing if the engine cannot properly use most, if not all the cores and threads at its disposal. I have a 5950x. In newer games it is being used to at 7-20% based on what is enabled. I know it is not the fastest CPU on the market in terms of IPC. But, if utilized properly is still very fast. TLDR, the CPU's are not really the problem unless they are budget level CPU's. The utilization of them is and will be till engines are centered around getting the most out of them.

I went from 5900x to 5800x3D to 5800x to 7600x to 7800x3D in the last 10 weeks. Vanilla 5000 series definitely didn’t let my 6900xt breath as well compared to both 3D and 7600xt. Snagged smoking prices with very very little out of pocket. 7800X3D was a local buy but was sealed brand new for $340. Sold my 5800x3D for $280.

Would like to hear an update on this Alex. How's things going?

Enabling EXPO at 6400 may have halved the unified clock reducing performance. Check ZenTimings and make sure the UCLK matches the MCLK. If not, you need to adjust the UCLK setting to UCLK=MCLK (not /2). Hopefully your X3D will be able to run 6400 UCLK 1:1, otherwise you may need to drop down to 6200 or 6000.

even with async shader compiling, if it's a lot of shaders to compile at once, the API (read: overhead for every compile job sent) just kind of gets in the way i guess

Just bought my pc upgrade, its coming today, got it for 350€ , so thats a good deal for where i life. So excited to get building.

Definitely agree with Richard on the 5800X3D. I think it's worth keeping in mind that AMD tried several times to break forwards compatibility on AM4, but the whole platform is better off for their eventual concession and extension of AGESA support to 300-series boards. There are other limitations to consider when using such an old board (limited PCIe speeds and expansion being the main one), but I was able to drop a 5800X3D into the same board I purchased back in March 2017 with a Ryzen 7 1700 - nothing short of a gigantic increase in CPU and especially gaming performance. Newer CPUs and BIOS updates also dramatically increased RAM compatibility to the point where I've gone from having to downclock a two-stick RAM setup from 3200 to 2666 to get stability all the way to four sticks at a lazy 3600 CL16 with headroom for lower timings.

what are RPCS3 and windows scheduler? how do you enable it?

Doesn’t matter how good your cpu is when these devs refuse to optimize

I went with the 7800x3d awhile ago.... what's impressed me most.... the reduction in my electric bill.... amazing the power per watt with it and my 7900xtx.

Just upgraded to this when MicroCenter put it on an early Black Friday sale for only $299! It wuickly went back up to $369 like a day later 😅. So far so good. My games 1% lows seem a lot stronger, GPU stays near 99-100% more often, and strangely it runs cooler than my 7700X.

I just upgraded from a ryzen 5600 to the 7800x3d and wow what an upgrade more then doubled my fps in warzone 2 and mw3 and I play at 3440x1440 so yes cpu matters at higher resolutions as well

If you run the memory at 6400MT, please make sure that its running FCLK/MEM Div 1:1, otherwise it's 1:2 and you lose quite some performance.

Don't let this destract you from the fact that the longer the icon of sin is on earth the stronger he becomes

If I do some productive tasks, mainly video editing, but also play a lot of games, would it be better to get a 7900 or a 7800x3d?

Disabling smart access memory helps sometimes, like it did for me in Warhammer Darktide.

Great timing. Yesterday changed my platform from AM4 5600 to AM5 7800X3d with 7800XT. Setup is not complete(missing one more M2 drive), but I can't wait to use it.

Jeez. The star citizen footage is like night and day. 😅

3:15 Displayport Superiority 🤘🏻

As a guy who lives in the Arizona desert, I'm just happy with how it sips power and runs cool.

I just built a new rig 6 weeks ago with a 7800X3D and an RX 6950 XT and I couldn't be happier. It's been a few years since I have built a PC from scratch and the build process was seamless. Go treat yourself to some 6000 MT/s RAM.

1.45 . Johns delayed laugh cracked me up XD

Yes display port is better that way for some reason? I havent fully mapped it yet.

So in heavy CPU use areas like crowded areas in Baldur's Gate 3 or CP 2077 a 7800X3D falls to about even with a stock 12900k with XMP ram.

Ive been using one for a few months now, its strong. :)

Any solid b650 motherboards that don't have weird issues like usb disconnects or bad driver issues? Its the only thing holding me back from switching to team red.

Does Star Citizen still have issues with E-cores? Could explain the large performance delta and stuttering on the 12900K.

I have a 7800X3D, RTX 4090, and CL30-36-36-76 DDR5 6000 all on an ASUS X670E Crosshair Hero and my system is flying.

I'm still going strong with my 5800x3d , and i even undervolted to -30 per core and wow temps are good and performance is top notch still! Im not gonna upgrade cpu for maybe 8 years, and get whatever is top price to performance then. (Edit from all core to per core -30 undervolt)

just built my 7700x seems to work great. have no idea what scheduling hes talking about adjusting?

I bought a combo deal back in July of this year at Best Buy for Ryzen 5 7600x / Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite AX / Starfield for $289.99usd , I have yet to get the board to update the bios, QFlash always says bad image. All my MSI boards update from QFlash without issues from same 2.0 UBS flash drive, this Gigabyte board wants to be so different.

Nice, just bought myself one from Black Friday sales. Already notice the mins & max fps increase.

While I would have liked to have seen the 5800x3d be used in its day I'm loving the fact that you'll be using a 3d chip finally

The 3DNow patch for the original Freespace was pretty impressive to be fair ;)

Have guys look at ram tuning , matching infinity cache speed

ACC massively prefers the 3d vcache too. Many games have crazy uplift, and almost as many others would prefer non X3D.

Hey guys! Was wondering if you think running a stream, vtubing and discord while gaming is possible on the 7800x3d without dropping 1% lows in valorant. Trying to do all that and have 360hz feel like 360hz while streaming haha

I want more CPU benchmarks. CPUs do matter too

no fresh OS install?

I'll most probably get one now, from BF-sales... Most probably with ASRock X670E Steel Legend and Corsair 6000/cl30 RGB memory.

I jumped from R5 7600 to 7800X3D solely because DF made me conscious of stutters.

11:57 - 12:57 yet that's literally a CPU killer right there, my 5800x was struggling so hard there.

Just picked up the 7800X3D. Shout out to Intels “Core Truths”

I Have a question, I also have the 7800x3d, but my concern is the temperatures... what would the temperatures be like when playing? I have a 240mm nzxt kraken and I find them high when playing at 70c to 75c. Help!

I went AMD...but only half way. Got a 12900k combo deal with cpu,motherboard, and ddr5 6000mhz ram for like 400 bucks whole combo and paired it with a 7900xtx and I tell you...this combo is butter smooth. I also have a 13700k/4080 and it must say that the 7900xtx system feels smother than my 4080 system. Both are on a 34 inch Alienware oled monitor at 1440p and getting beautiful results.

6:08 I also use this scene to test CPU single thread performance in games. Crysis engine is just very single thread heavy and that scene just always maxes out single thread and creates huge GPU bottleneck.

Being able to run a 5800X3D on a motherboard from 2017 is amazing! Getting a 35% increase in fps going from a R5 3600 to a 5800X3D on 1440p (source: HUB) is mind boggling

Just did this upgrade myself, but can't get the am5 ram timings right, can't get the nvme format right, even the gpu had a clearance issue. Think I'm done with building, it was fun way back when, when the most complicated part was mb compatibility etc. Now I gotta browse 14 different forums...

i need the 7950x 3d for cities skilines 2, 7800 has too few cores for that game in late game, with more than 500k people

What helped me is upgrading my RGBs to OLEDs

In BG3 likely when the frame rates are lower you are hitting a GPU bottleneck which is why both are performing the same seeing as they both have RTX 4090 cards, though when the GPU load is reduced frame rates climb and you start to run into a CPU bottleneck.

I watched some benchmark videos from a youtube channel called "Terra Nigma" and there is a margin of error in the difference of fps at 4k max settings using a 4090 and the difference between a ryxen 5900 and a 7800xt. Most AAA games today are still gpu bound at 4k even with a 4090. I was surprised.

Is it possible that some traversal stutters can be affected by RAM and/or NVME speed?

I hope you guys do memory tuning and compare. It is amazing how close the 7700x is to the 7800x3d is when you have tight memory timings. The secret sauce is that the 7700x has better latency up to 16mb cache but above the 7800x3d wins however with tight memory timings it isn't that much of a difference any more.

Some problems you just can't brute force with sheer CPU power... I hope UE5 gets more CPU optimized soon.

Go on lads.

With curve optimizer you can make the 5800X3D/7800X3D incredibly efficient. -30 all cores for me, rarely breaks 50c in games.

Why would you use HDMI over DP? also use DLAA instead of DLSS

Oh no, not the Aorus X670E Master 😮 😅ok I reach the point where you said you updated the bios, ok 👍

It kind of depends what's causing the stutter, but it's not impossible that even a slightly lower class CPU has massive stutters where a faster one doesn't. Imagine something like memory management. As you play you keep accumulating garbage that needs to be freed. If the CPU is idle, it runs the garbage collection, if it doesn't it delays the task. A fast CPU might have enough capacity to run the garbage collection before having to render the next frame, but slower one delays it until it goes over some memory limit and then suddenly has a much more expensive garbage collection process. This is of course a contrived example and no sane programmer would program it like this. But when you have many, many tasks, weird things happen.

Yeaaaaah, the point they made in the first 5 minutes was very apt. People are very quick to blame others' hardware, and for some reason hardly ever want to attribute major issues to game optimization. Yes a better CPU will give better performance, as this video shows, but people are very hyperbolic on this point-big issues are likely to be the game. I have the 7700X. Avatar runs like butter on ultra settings with the occasional hitch here & there, but I get frequent stutter in CP 2077 after patch 2.1.

should be comparing the Intel i9 13900k seems how it came out close to the same time as the Amd Ryzen 7 7800x3d, and i bet you the test would be closer, and last to benchmark cpu's you don't bench at 4k, you bench at lower res like 1080p etc

It is really a generational difference and you've shown that.

Digital Foundry switches from Intel to AMD, wow that’s BIG news

Based on leaks/rumors Zen 5 may not be a massive leap in terms of IPC - Zen 2 to 3 was apparently a bigger jump. If you're already on Zen 4 it seems more prudent to wait for Zen 6 or even 7 or see how Intel's 15th or 16th Gen do

Its awesome, i just gotta upgrade, kinda, from my 6950xt to 7g gen, though im hoping we get some love from the company cause its still a beast on 1440 and 4k so..... Wish nvidia werent greedy m fers.

8:26 Mate the difference is literally night and day!

I can't stand stutters, and recent years with shader compliation stuttering in so many games is honestly driving me nuts. Something has to be done.

anyone know if I would see much improvement going from RTX 4080 with 5900X to 7800X 3D for 4K gaming on LG CX

I'm running an almost 10 year old CPU (4790k)... could I have your 2 gen old (the horror!) CPU plz. The argument of "it's a compute shader it's just maths so the same" view is a bit limited, for a couple of reasons. Different GPU's are more performant in different stages of the render pipeline depending on their architecture. Take tessellation for example, which in all uses the Hull-Shader Stage, Tessellator Stage & Domain-Shader Stage. Some GPUs are just better at tessellation than others, especially in the early days of DX11. It's just all down to how the chips architecture handles the staging and instructions it's given. The second point. You can do some very funky optimization in HLSL especially with it's multithreading. (You can do 3D arrays of threads, which can even share data! (Which FSR does use.)) Thus if you know exactly which 1 GPU your application is going to be running on, you can do some optimization matching the treads to the GPU architecture, but that's not really possible in the PC space, you're more just relying on how that particular GPU architecture handles mismatched thread to GPU core count. As to whether these factors are an advantage/ disadvantage for AMD vs nVidia vs Intel I can't say. It would be hard measure exactly and result could vary across GPU architecture generations, and even which GPU (4070 vs 4070Ti) in said generation is being used. I was just pointing it out because not all 1 & 0 / "just maths" are equal. (A cache miss can be cause by "just maths" and they can be a real hit to performance. Which is the very reason AMD x3D CPUs get a performance boost in some situations vs other CPU's.)

Games need to use direct storage. It's there... why not preload shaders and textures?

I have that board for my 7800x3d/4090 build its been great. I did a lot of research before choosing a board and heard that the pcie architecture on this board was a bit different then most allowing better performance and checked out the diagrams that showed why.

"[...] but it's not like, it's not a generation little difference" Alex said. But... what generation are we talking about, from the 10th to the 11th or from the 13th to the 14th generation of Intel? If so, there are like 5 generations of those together.

Gotta have that 13 extra fps!!😂😂 i just wish i could afford the best cause i love pushing the limits of tech. Cpus for sure from sbcs to full on pc fire. Laptops with external gpus custom made to run harder, i love getting back into this ish. Gaming as a mark comes down to software too these days.

I still have a 12 year old CPU in one computer that's playing games like the latest SIMS at above 30 fps on a 1660 Super and 16Gb of RAM. It can be done.

Every real hardware enthusiasts already know ow X3D is just hype. It’s good at 10 games with a $2,500 GPU… then look at the multithreaded performance is worse than my 11900k from 2019.

The limiting thing you speak of if ram latency

Damn, the Master???? 🧐

I'm planning on upgrading from my 12700k with 32 gb ddr4 3600 to a 7800x3d ddr5 6000 cl30. Not sure what to expect but this makes me excited for the boost that I should get. Anyone have any idea how big a boost I could see?

I have a mini itx 3090 system with 5600x and ps5. I will upgrade to 8800x3d like 12 momths later maybe. I believe even from 5600x it is not a good jump to 7000 series. 3090 isnt that strong anyways

Hey guys question! Is it worth upgrading from a ryzen 3700x to the 5800x3D? My gpu is 6800xt and I plan on buying an C2 oled 42'' 120hz

The 7800X3D's power efficiency is just ridiculous. Less than 60 watts for the whole package while playing games. One of the biggest drawbacks is the lower clock, a 7700X will win in certain tasks, like shader compilation.

I quit playing apex legends because after optimizing everything it has just stopped working anymore without constant lag and stutters my old 1080 ti is struggling out here

Amd is the 🐐 for cpus, I don’t care what anyone says. 5800x3d going strong almost 2 years later. And only at 100watts 👀

i just done this jump today. but i had a 3700x. i need to to wait for 8000 but its xmas

One game that has MASSIVE benefits from the X3D cpu's is Squad.

do u beleive the 5800x3d to be better choice than the 5900x with a 4070ti

7800x3d worth it for 4k over the 7600x?

How good is a 7900X3D? I bought my first gaming PC and that’s what it comes with

@8:38 you think that you would see higher numbers on the left(night) side.

It's kind of disappointing that AMD didn't push the 7800x3d to 10 or 12 cores.